- An alternative version of mine was that she is a reincarnation of the White Witch and at first was indeed evil if not outright tyrannical, but changed prior to the Red Queen's own tyrannical turn, maybe because she knew she would invade years to come and "played nice" to give a good impression. Now that the Red Queen is out of the way the White Queen can show how she really is...
- So I'm not the only person who feared White was a Villain with Good Publicity!
- Whilst both Iracebeth and Mirana were bad, because Mirana was a lot more manipulative and Iracebeth was a little less subtle about it, Mirana got the crown and Iracebeth went completely batshit, killing their parents and going on a murderous rampage. Mirana - who still had a bit of good in her, or who had started to become the mask - realised that this was what she might have become, and hid the darkness away. She surrounded herself with sweetness and light and did her best to convince everyone and herself that she was as far from her sister as possible.
- Supported by Anne Hathaway, the actress who plays her. Her dark fingernails, lips and eyes are meant to be a visual hint that, despite all the pure white clothes and smiles, there's still darkness in there.
- It's revealed in the next film that Mirana once stole a tart from her mother and blamed Iracebeth. Not that their parents could be blamed for believing Mirana would be a better ruler than someone who'd decapitate whoever laughs at them.
See? I told you Burton was a macrophile!
- This is why the White Queen has a vow not to kill anything; she knows what will happen.
- This is also why nobody killed anyone in the final battle; they were really trying to avoid it because the transformation would have been bad. Alice killing the Jabberwock didn't count; because the Jabberwock would eventually regenerate. (IE, his eternal battle against the Vorpal Sword indicates this has happened before.)
- What about the Bandersnatch scratch?
- Also the Futterwacken, unless your implying that Alice is so ridiculously insane she can learn things like how to breakdance from HER OWN HALLUCINATIONS.
- It's not like she's any good at it.Her dance was around back then, just in the sort of dance theater where attendees can see the dancers' knees]].
- Really now? She's only 19, unless your saying she was a stripper WHEN SHE WAS 18 OR LESS. I don't even think that was legal back then. Or now.
- No, just saying that her version was a dance back then, though qualifying that it was only for certain contexts rather than general partying. She never learned how to breakdance.
- Her version was exactly the same but just with the nonsensical leg movements. Or did the Victorians learn to move their legs and twist their ankles like that without Underland?
- Also the Futterwacken, unless your implying that Alice is so ridiculously insane she can learn things like how to breakdance from HER OWN HALLUCINATIONS.
- What a bitchnote .
- Upon reading this WMG and the above, doesn't this make the Red Queen a real Woobie?
- Partially confirmed in the sequel: Iracebeth's large head is the result of swelling produced by her falling while running away from the palace and hitting her head on a fountain. The reason she was running? Her sister Mirana had stolen a tart from their mother and lied to cover her own ass, letting Iracebeth take the blame for it. It is implied that the White Queen has been feeling guilty about it ever since.
- This makes a lot of sense, actually. It would certainly explain his power which seems unequaled by any being in Wonderland/Underland. A possibility would be that the Cat is a kind of elemental force, a physical embodiment of the very spirit of Wonderland. Chaotic and insane, half there and half not there.
- To elaborate on this, the Jabberwock might be an Evil Counterpart to him, the physical manifestation of everything WRONG with Wonderland. That would explain why he sticks with the Red Queen though nobody else will. He is not her servant, She is HIS. A creature of concentrated Evil, the Jabberwock just wants to see the realm bleed and the Red Queen helps him in this endeavor.
- Another backing example to the god theory is how pissed the Hatter gets at the Chesire Cat simply for not being around when the Red Queen took over. Also, the Cat crowns the White Queen, and in just about every monarchy, it used to be believed that royalty is a deity's mandate.
- The Visual Guide says the Cheshire Cat was the guardian animal of the Mad Hatter's family (who themselves were Underlandian aristocrats of some sort) and he bailed on them when the Jabberwock was sent to destroy their home.
- This. It makes sense. Much sense. The Queen's just that self-centered, and since he begged for death once the knife was taken...
- This Troper honestly believed that was his intention while watching the movie, and will still argue that is the case even now. That and, only the Queen was the one to say that "he was trying to kill me" which isn't something you can honestly believe in. For someone that self-centred, you can't consider her a reliable source for information. Also, the begging for death comes to mind...
- Yeah, that's what I immediately assumed when I saw him draw that knife. I didn't realize it was supposed to be him murdering the Queen until I went online afterward. I still think that's what he really wanted.
- OMG! That makes sense!
- My personal headcanon always was that the first book was Alice's first trip to Wonderland—but she went back many more times after that, and by the time Through The Looking Glass rolled around (six months later) she had gotten used to it, explaining why she's much more smart and chill about being in a dream world by that time.
- Each world has a protector. A maiden of the purest heart. A Princess of Heart. Neverland has one. Wonderland has one. Together, these worlds form a magical universe known only as...Kingdom Hearts
- Somebody fanfic this!
While the fusing of Red and Heart made the complete fixing of the worlds impossible, they would have still stayed two different places and been fairly okay had The Red Queen not, in a fit of paranoia, killed The Red King. As The King was the Dreamer of the Dream (as suggested in Through the Looking Glass) and the only one who could thus keep order his death caused the two worlds to smash together rearranging themselves into the "Underland" that Alice falls into in the film.
This warped and slowing shattering world can not be saved, everything Alice did will not heal the cracks. Hatter being both mad and the only one to be given the idea of being a dream is aware of the cracks and the fact that once Alice leaves the world is doomed.The Butterfly coming through to our world was the last straw that made the whole thing collapse.
- So Alice has the ability to [[Video Game/Eversion evert through worlds]]?
- So Alice is a Time Lord?
You'd have to be mad as a Hatter to survive this place!
More proof is at the beginning of the movie, when Alice first falls down the rabbit hole, she tries to open some doors. This would be unimportant unless you look closely. First off, there are four, the amount of Alice's there are in the song. Second, If you look closely at the third door, it has something that looks a bit like a crown on it, and the third Alic became queen of her own country. Third, the last door was double doors, and as we all know, the fouth Alice was twins.
- I always thought the song implied that the Alice of the story came first, which is why newcomers in Wonderland are referred to as Alices.
- Alice first entered Wonderland when she was about 6. The movie states that it takes place 13 years later, when Alice is 19. During this 13 year time difference, the White Rabbit could've brought back the "Alices" from the song while trying to find the right one. They were all wrong, and were thus unfit to survive in Wonderland. Going a bit further with this theory, the Third Alice temporarily overthrew the Red Queen, but soon became corrupt. Either the Red Queen somehow reclaimed her throne, or the Red Queen in the movie is the Third Alice in disguise. As for the others, I'm not sure.
I couldnt help but think she was a little to calm and collected when she grew out of her clothes in front of the queen and her people. and when you think at both her free spirited/defiant nature towards things sociably acceptable(especially her refusal to wear certain proper formal wear to the party) it would make sense
Think about it. Not everyone was lucky enough to escape.
- Jossed. It's revealed in the next movie that they were captured by the Red Queen and she's holding them captive ever since then.
- I for one always assumed this film is a direct sequel to the animated Disney film and the reason for any inconsistencies, the fact that it has a more coherent plot, and the fact that it is darker, is because Alice is older and therefore her dreams would make more sense than before and be darker than before. Or underland isn't a dream and she just understands things better now that she's older.
- Considering the state that Alice's friends are in in the 2010 version, this theory is actually pretty depressing; the Tweedles went from lovable bumblers to dancing for the Queen to avoid beheading. The Dodo, who was vivacious and lively in the first film is old and decrepit here. The Mad Hatter and the March Hare are more insane than normal (and not in a good way), the Dormouse was hardened into a warrior, the Flowers lost a lot of their colors and Absolem was a butterfly at the end of the first one and here...well, he doesn't gain wings until the end. The White Rabbit and Cheshire Cat are pretty much the same, although Chessur is probably not allowed to sing Jabberwocky anymore, for obvious reasons...
- Actually, The White Rabbit has changed as well. He seems more willing to oppose the Red Queen, but I guess the Queen's constantly escalating crimes horrified him enough to make him switch sides.
- Considering the state that Alice's friends are in in the 2010 version, this theory is actually pretty depressing; the Tweedles went from lovable bumblers to dancing for the Queen to avoid beheading. The Dodo, who was vivacious and lively in the first film is old and decrepit here. The Mad Hatter and the March Hare are more insane than normal (and not in a good way), the Dormouse was hardened into a warrior, the Flowers lost a lot of their colors and Absolem was a butterfly at the end of the first one and here...well, he doesn't gain wings until the end. The White Rabbit and Cheshire Cat are pretty much the same, although Chessur is probably not allowed to sing Jabberwocky anymore, for obvious reasons...
- Except considering the Bandersnatch is pretty much tamed by the Underlandians and the Jubjub Bird is dead, maybe the ones that show up in this film are not the same ones.