Headscratchers / Spider-Man: Homecoming

Intergalactic Marketing Dept.

• The one time we've seen Thor wearing his helmet in this version is when he was on Asgard, several days before Earth even knew he was real. And he's sure as hell never had a clean shave. Where would whatever company made those masks get such an idea?
  • companies who make things such as toys and costumes usually add on a little something special to give it a certain flair the same could be said that maybe the company that makes the mask thought: Thor+Norse God+Viking Mythology= Helmet.
  • Plus, considering that the other masks feature Iron Man's metal helmet, Captain America's mask, and Hulk's angry green face, the makers probably thought "bearded blond guy" was a bit more dull and less likely to stand out. So they'd add something else to make it more interesting to potential consumers.
  • It's also possible that the Avengers comics exist in the MCU as either official or knockoff tie-ins. We already know Captain America merch exists.
  • The Avengers are implied, if not confirmed, to have done missions aside from what we've seen in the films. Maybe Thor had his helmet on then.
  • On top of being an Avenger, Thor is that universe's Norse God of Thunder, which could have been shown with helmet.

Captain America's Fitness Challenge

• In the second trailer, we see Peter and Ned along with other students in PT outfits watching a fitness video starring Steve Rogers in his first Avengers costume that was presumably made a few years ago. But isn't Steve Rogers a known fugitive wanted by the United Nations and the United States as Peter directly references his part in Captain America: Civil War? Wouldn't that make him politically inappropriate for a school to use as an example for kids to follow?
  • As Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. showed, many people in the public are on Cap's side of the Accords debate and still consider him a hero.
  • Plus, right side or wrong side of the Accords, Cap is still an icon of what determination and dedication can get a person, especially in keeping healthy.
  • And seriously, is anyone involved really going to care? It's a fitness video made back in the first Avenger movie days based on the outfit, so it's already a few years old. Is anyone in a public school's gym curriculum going to care enough to pay for a new video and is anyone in the government really going care enough to stamp out ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING with Cap's face on it?
  • It is confirmed that Captain America is seen as a war criminal but the school is required by the state to keep playing them due to bureaucratic slowness.
    • Exactly. The school is still required to teach fitness with whatever their most current toolset is. And remember that it's only been two months since Civil War - the replacements are simply not ready yet. Maybe next year, if they have the budget.
    • The gym teacher actually comments on this. He says something like "So I guess this guy's a war criminal or something now, but...whatever."
  • And finally, the principal's grandfather was a Howling Commando. He's not going to go against Cap.
    • That's actually probably exactly why the gym teacher states that the school is requiring him to show the videos. People might have actually raised complaints or made an order for the videos to be removed from schools, and the principal likely replied, "You know this so-called 'war criminal' served alongside my grandfather and probably even saved his life at some point, right? Shove off." Given how much Cap made efforts to track down those of his war-mates and old friends still alive, it actually wouldn't surprise me if the whole point of doing the "Captain America's Fitness Challenge" videos was at least partially a direct favor to him out of goodwill to the principal's grandfather.
  • Also, this really needs to be emphasized: School and state bureaucracies often make molasses in January look like the Flash. I would genuinely not be surprised if they're still showing that video post-Endgame because no one's gotten around to filming a new one.
  • Plus, "Captain America Fitness Challenge" is a lot more inspiring than "some random dude fitness challenge."

Spidey's suit

• Peter's suit is shown to have have built in web wings, an AI, a parachute, Spider Tracers and computerized programs. Tony only put it together in such a short time after recruiting him after knowing about how his powers work and he even mentioned he would have to get a suit together. I know Tony's a genius but how did he put all that together in a small suit in such a short time? Remember it took till Mark III to get his basic armor down. Did he make edits afterwards?
  • He already knew who Spider-Man was from the Youtube videos, and considered Peter as a potential future recruit. He probably worked on a lot of the programs prior to meeting Peter but didn't physically create the suit until after.
  • A lot of the suit's tech extends from Iron Man's own technology, including the A.I. voice, and considering that Stark was able to create a bevy of suits while dealing with insomnia and PTSD in Iron Man 3 it probably took him a few days at worst to modify the tech to be more "spider" themed.
  • I think you are underestimating Tony's capabilities. Yes, the first couple of of armors took a while to develop and put together by hand, but after that the process got automated and a LOT faster. Hell, even by the middle of the first movie it was faster, if I recall correctly JARVIS says that Mark III would be built in a few hours.
  • For all we know, Tony'd been working on a suit like that for himself as a specialized "stealth infiltration" variant, that could slip into places where his usual repulsors and armor would be too easily detected. He just themed it for Spider-Man when recruiting Peter became an option and had it reduced from Men's Tall to Junior size.

Avenger Weaponry

• The last trailer shows a shipment of 'Avenger weaponry' being transported from Stark Tower to a site unknown by cargo plane, but for whom is it meant? Stark's Avengers are down to three, possibly four if including War Machine and Spider-Man, who obviously don't need that much equipment.
  • Probably won't be much but Tony will be wanting to bring the Avengers back together. And remember, the Avengers are now a UN organization so it will be weaponry related to Iron Man. Just because the Avengers are down to just a handful of active members (not including Spidey since Tony is making it clear Peter isn't ready at the moment), it doesn't mean that they still won't be needing technology that can be used by the remaining Avengers. It would in this case be related to how they handle the Vulture.
  • Most of Vulture's crew is using tech from Avenger enemies (Chitauri, Crossbones). Those crates could also be impounded advanced weaponry from Ultron or HYDRA.
  • The weapons are equipment from previous adventures like the Hulkbuster armor, the prototype for Cap's new shield and Thor's magical belt. There are also crates full of Arc reactors.
    • Which raises an entirely new set of questions.
  • Also, Tony had sold Stark Tower. This transport was the last of the equipment to be moved out to the Avengers Compound.
  • Maybe SHIELD can use it for their daily operations. Or Tony can use it to make advancements for his own tech. At the very least he has to keep it away from the general public.

Why did Damage Control simply not just employ the Vulture's crew?

• Having Damage Control in the movie was awesome but why did they insist on kicking the previous company out? With the amount of superhero battles going on, they are going to need people who have some experience. The Vulture's company obviously did as they could not only handle the material safely, they could use it for their own ends. Instead of creating tension and bad will, simply telling them they worked under Damage Control jurisdiction with no change in pay or privileges sounds like the easy option. Ms Hoag is a cunning person and should have seen this solution.
  • Vulture says that he put a lot of money into his current operation, and they've only worked on removing the debris for a day and a half, when one of the mooks says "we still have a truck full from yesterday"- implied but maybe not the case. Damage Control stepping in after everyone got experienced seems like it would have been too late. So they couldn't be trusted with damage control in the eyes of Ms Hoag and her indifference to many of the employees losing their jobs because of it. If Ms Hoag appears in the comics then she's a different person now.
  • Considering the Damage Control crew were all armed and ready to shoot Toomes and his people at the first sign of trouble, they are likely all ex-military or law enforcement personnel who did not want blue-collar workers messing with alien hardware that they might steal. Ironically this is exactly what happens by taking away their jobs and offending Toomes.
  • Quite likely Damage Control thought they were under-qualified, which given their behavior across the film may be actually true for most of them except Tinkerer.
  • Damage Control is a federal agency, meaning that they will only subcontract work out to companies that meet very specific requirements. Even if they wanted to, they can't just simply award a contract to Toomes's company just because it should be the right thing to do.
  • In the "real world", Tony Stark being involved in cleanup would've sent Conflict of Interest red flags and a contract protest and lawsuits keeping work from being done at all. And if Stark Industries was the only qualified contractor, they would have been forced to spin off a separate company to handle it. That doesn't make a good villain origin story though.
  • Given that the Chitauri Leviathan that was on-screen (or at least, one that looked very much like it) ended up in von Strucker's secret base in Avengers: Age of Ultron, it's entirely possible that "Damage Control" started out as a division of SHIELD back when it was heavily infiltrated by HYDRA. Given that, it's not at all unsurprising that they wanted to keep an outside contractor like Toomes out of the scavenged-alien-technology loop.
  • As seen in a news report shown in the film, Damage Control is actually a part of the Department of Homeland Security, a wholly American organization.
    • Actually, the report said it was joint venture between Stark Industries and the federal government.

What year is it?

• In the opening it's days after the Battle of New York that most sources confirm as happening in 2012. Then it jumps eight years later to presumably 2020. But in Captain America: Civil War it had been only four years since New York and in this movie it had only been two months later after the events in that movie.
  • Writers Cannot Do Math is the only possible explanation. Best to accept it as an error and move on.
  • It's also possible that Civil War takes place further in the future than we're, since we have no definite dates on any of the movies aside from The Avengers (2012). The only evidence otherwise are some interviews stating the release dates of the movies are the approximate years the movies take place in. Of course it could be an error. Perhaps they'll fix it for home media and it slipped through the cracks.
  • There's a rumor that the timeline is being retconned to push Civil War, Homecoming, Infinity War et. all 20 Minutes into the Future so that the MCU Spider-Man can remain the same age till the early 2020's. If they followed real-time, then Holland's Spidey would age out of high-school by the time the Homecoming sequel comes around.
  • Which can't possibly work, because in one of Cap's PSAs, he specifies being frozen for 65 years; that would have him entering the ice in 1947, not only well after World War II but also after most-to-all of Agent Carter too. The combination of "8 years later" and "frozen for 65 years" only works if, instead of retconning Civil War into the future, they're retconning The Avengers (2012) Twenty Minutes Into The Past. (Or, as mentioned above, it's Writers Cannot Do Math and the whole thing is just a mistake. Much simpler to say just this one film is wrong than to say half the franchise is wrong.)
  • You must have misheard, because Cap clearly said 75 years in that video, which sounds right. As for the 8 years later part, yeah, that's probably a writer messing up. Hopefully Marvel will catch it and change it later.
  • If he said "75", that's even worse: 2012-75=1937. The war wouldn't even have begun yet!
  • Just watched the film, he said 65. Maybe he was rounding down?
  • Doctor Strange, look what your Save Scumming did!
  • It gets worse. This movie takes place right after Civil War, right? I believe they said two months? Well, in Civil War, Vision claims that Tony Stark announcing himself as Iron Man (i.e. the events of Iron Man) "eight years (ago)". What. That means that Iron Man and The Avengers happened in the same year... despite Iron Man explicitly taking place six months before Iron Man 2 (stated outright in narration text in 2), and Iron Man 2... well, it has to be at least a year or so before The Avengers, right? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE!?
  • Same poster as just above, and yes, I just realized that Iron Man 2 must take place a considerable amount of time before The Avengers. Iron Man 2 takes place at the same time as The Incredible Hulk (the news screen when Fury meets with Tony, and Tony showing up in TIH to talk to Ross, clearly already cooperating with SHIELD and thus post-Iron-Man-2), and in The Avengers, Natasha tells Bruce he's been "over a year without an incident."
  • OK, I think I've found the answer. There was no mess up. Hector Navarro explained the timeline in the comments of an SJ News video, so I'll just shamelessly leave what he said here: "The Avengers (2012) didn't take place in 2012. Iron Man did take place in 2008. Six months later was Iron Man 2, in 2008/2009. Along with The Incredible Hulk (2008) and Thor, all three of these movies take place in the same week. And a bit after that, Nick Fury finds Steve Rogers thawed out from his suspended animation. Avengers took place about a year after that, in 2009/2010. Cut to Captain America: Civil War where Vision says "In the 8 years since Mr. Stark announced himself as Iron Man..." which yeah, puts that at 2016. Spider-Man: Homecoming took place during and a few months after that, in 2016/2017. So if The Avengers (2012) took place in 2009, eight years later could be 2017. And Peter Parker would've been seven or eight years old in Iron Man 2, during 2008/2009."
  • Except Navarro forgot two things: Homecoming dances happen in the fall, at the beginning of the school year. And Stark Expo 2011 happened in....2011. Homecoming contradicts Iron Man 2, Civil War, First Avenger, and probably more. Everything works out until the numbers from Homecoming are included. Change two numbers ("8 years" and "65 years" into "4 years" and "67 years"), and everything works out again. Much more sensible than retconning everything else.
  • Stark Expo is a year-long event, likely to spill over into the next calendar year, and it's World's Fair-type display of futurism, so it's under no obligation to start in 2011 just because it's in the name. That said, it probably should still happen no earlier than mid-late 2010.
  • Actually, this◊. (Which was found attached to this article, which makes the point that the MCU timeline is "murky at best".)
  • But Iron Man 3 specifically states that it's been six months since the Chitauri invasion - there can't be a gap as long as that timeline says between those two films. And Iron Man 2 can only take place in 2010, because the Monaco Historic Grand Prix is only held in even-numbered years.
• The writers must have recognised this error — Avengers: Infinity War seems to have retconned this timejump to four years instead of eight, as Tony states in IW that it's been six years since New York happened — meaning that The Avengers would still take place in 2012, IW would take place in 2018 and Homecoming in 2016.
  • Avengers: Endgame further disproves the "8 years later" time card. The film shows via large text that The Avengers took place in 2012, Thor: The Dark World took place in 2013, and Guardians of the Galaxy took place in 2014, all the years the films were released in (the year for Guardians was already implied by the prologue, which was stated to take place in 1988 and the main story was shown to take place 26 years after that). 2014 Ebony Maw mentions that present day Nebula's time signature came from nine years in the future, putting the present day events of Endgame in 2023, which was specifically shown to be five years after Thanos' snap. That puts Infinity War as taking place in 2018, the year it was released, matching up with Tony's "six years" comment. So Homecoming could not take place eight years after The Avengers, which would be 2020, as that would be during the five year period in which half of all life in the universe, including Spider-Man, had been snapped out of existence.

Stealing from Damage Control

• How is stealing from a Damage Control truck en route to one of their vaults any less conspicuous than stealing from an Tony's plane?
  • Damage Control never knew the Vulture was there, only stealing a specific few items from a collection of scrap and junk and it could take a long while or even never before they found out there was something missing as they put the containers in a locked vault with no reason to assume they've been robbed. Stealing the containers on Tony's plane would immediately be noticed as they hold much more valuable tech that is tagged and catalogued, hence why Toomes was reluctant until the very end because it would get the Avengers after him.
  • Damage Control doesn't seem to keep track of what is on each container. They just fill the containers with high-tech junk and store them forever. So, as long as the containers are intact on the outside, no one would suspect foul play. With Stark's plane, no matter how stealthy they were, the Avengers would notice they got their goods stolen, and would probably start looking after them. Stealing from Damage Control allowed them to stay under the radar for almost a decade, stealing from Stark would basically be a declaration of war against the Avengers.
  • Also, Toomes wasn't just stealing from the plane, he was stealing the plane itself. Only the decoy drone would eventually arrive at the Avengers' new compound, and you can bet Tony "No-One-Plays-With-My-Toys-But-Me" Stark would move heaven and earth to figure out who stole his tech and get it back.
  • What bothered me most was the lack of any sort of security. Nobody at the DOD at least looks inside the storage crate when it is delivered to the facility nor are there any cameras inside the vault or around the door? Also even if the plane was automated "chief-of-security" Hogan didn't consider the Avengers shipment important enough to have any crew onboard for at least in case something went wrong with the flight computer? Stark's friend or not he really deserved to lose his job over that.

Shocker arriving at the school to attack Spider-Man

• Adrian had Shocker waiting behind the school in case Peter came after him. The problem with this plan is that Adrian had no idea Peter was Spider-Man until about five minutes prior to that fight scene. For all Adrian knew, he was going to drop Liz and her date off at the dance and then go rob Stark's plane, so there would be no reason to call Shocker ahead of time to wait behind the school on the off chance Spider-Man would show up. Adrian learned about Peter's secret identity en route to the school, threatened him, then went on his way. Peter went inside, told Liz he couldn't stay, then put on the costume and left through the back door where the Shocker was waiting for him. It's possible Adrian called Shocker once he drove away from the school, but unless Shocker just happened to be in the neighborhood with his weapons, there would be no time to get there before Peter left.
  • It's possible they had set up a rendezvous point at the homecoming dance (as it is the place Toomes would go first since it's his daughter's Homecoming dance), so they could from there drive off back to their evil lair and execute the Stark Heist. When Pete left the car Toomes just drove to Shocker (who was already waiting there) and told him "change of plans, this kid is spider-man, wait on the backdoor". Toomes actually tells his wife the Homecoming dance is "on the way to his trip", so this might mean it actually was a pitstop he planned to meet up with Shocker.
  • Maybe Shocker was already there on a special overtime assignment for his boss. "My daughter has a date to her school's homecoming dance. Bring your gauntlet and look scary so her date behaves himself. Make sure you don't hurt the kid." He was on his way inside to keep an eye on things. Then the plan changes.

Pen and paper

• Both when he recovered a stolen bike and when he defeated Toomes, Peter left a note on the scene. Where did he get get the paper and writing materials for them? He certainly wasn't carrying them on his person.
  • One suit has a Utility Belt and the other has nice big pockets. It's really not that much of a stretch that a high school student has a pen and paper with him.
  • In the first occasion we actually see him asking around for a pen (and presumably, a sheet of paper).

Washington Monument Security

• How did Ned manage to get the Chitauri grenade through the monument security check? Surely in a city with security as tight as Washington D.C., they'd instantly recognize the grenade in the scanner and consider it a threat?
  • It was shown to glitch the scanner, so it's likely the scanner didn't pick up anything unusual and it looked as though the security guards were just going through the motions. If anything they saw their screens flicker and thought it wasn't anything big.
  • Also, it's not a grenade. It's only a power source, which doesn't do anything on its own unless exposed to radiation (and even then, apparently all it did was emit stray beams, like the Vulture's malfunctioning gun, as opposed to exploding). It looks like a toy, is apparently cool enough to touch and carry, and it's in a child's backpack. It's entirely possible that a security guard —who would be VERY unlikely to know what Chitauri components look like— would think of it as just a fancy LED light.
  • It wasn't just glowing, it was starting to smoulder right through the cloth and yet nobody noticed it.
    • It didn't start flowing until after it was activated by the radiation from the security checkpoint x-ray.

Money Loss over Salvage Contract

• Toomes's operation had a contract with the government, which meant they had to give a written termination notice for convenience and paid him for all expenses occurred, plus extra. So how did he also lose money in doing so?
  • There are two possibilities: 1 - the government just plain fucked up (either by the Vast Bureaucracy taking too long to give him the money or only giving him part of the agreed amount) or 2 - Toomes (in his own words) "over-extended" himself in more ways than one. Like, maybe he bought his Big Fancy House on enormous loans confident this new job would have him guaranteed for life, maybe he made a lot of non-written, verbal agreements and promises with business partners (that the government has no way of compensating because it isn't written on paper) that he'd have to break (and therefore lose actual money or credibility, sinking his company).
  • Since Toomes was directly employed by the city of New York, and New York just suffered damage from an alien invasion that would cost billions of dollars to fix, it's not out of the realm of possibility that legal, bureaucratic, and financial issues kept him from recovering his losses from the city in any sort of reasonable time.
  • The writers ignored, or didn't bother to research, these real-world facts about how salvage contracts work because they wanted to write a story in which Toomes was screwed over.
  • When he decides to start stealing, it's the day he got screwed over. He knows it'll be a while before he sees the comp money, he's got bills to pay now, and he's still pissed about it. And he thinks not going to get the same profit off the government vs actually being able to work the job to completion. By the time the comp money comes in, he's already making good money off the illegal stuff, so he just keeps going.
  • Toomes had overextended by making major purchases of new equipment, specifically for the huge contract he'd just landed. With that contract suddenly pulled, he has no way of making payments for the new equipment on time and is going to go into liquidation PDQ. It doesn't matter if the contract will be paid eventually through the bureaucracy, Toomes needs the income right now. His crew has bills to pay. He has a business to run. The Feds and Stark have just torpedoed him, hence his resentment as well as the instant need for money (not to mention, on the resentment front, that the Fed minions are complete jerks about the situation).
  • Toomes had a contract with New York City, but Damage Control asserts Federal jurisdiction. In the US (in the real world anyway) state and city governments are not merely branch offices of the Federal government, they are separate entities. Federal jurisdiction overrides them, it’s not part of them. Damage Control is, essentially, saying that New York City had no right to enter into that contract with Toomes in the first place. He could be entitled to compensation from the city for their mistake, which is what they mean when they mention compensation to him, but it wouldn’t be Damage Control’s problem. Meanwhile, New York could drag out the issue of compensation for Toomes by saying they contracted in good faith not knowing the Feds would take over, so the city and Toomes are both out of luck together. No idea how that would eventually turn out in court, but it would certainly drag on long enough to be of no use to Toomes trying to save his company.

Deactivating the Training Wheels Protocol

• So all it takes to deactivate the training wheels protocol is a few keyboard strokes? No password, no key, no anti-tampering software or any other security?
  • Stark mentioned he was aware when he turned it off, so he had an alert system. Considering he was traveling around India for a while in the movie and Peter had traveled to DC, it took a while for Stark to finally catch up to him.
  • It's also rather heavily implied that Ned is very skilled at computer programming. In fact, Peter's school is specifically stated to be one for young geniuses and gifted children.
  • Peter and Ned didn't even know about the protocol until they had already hacked the suit and gotten past the security (to find and remove the tracker).
  • Given their age, they would also be cocky enough to think that removing the tracker and bypassing the protocol wouldn't alert anyone monitoring the phone-home signals it would presumably be constantly sending.
    • All of this. The suit isn't hugely dangerous without someone with Peter's abilities wearing it - certainly not in the way that an Iron Man suit is in the hands of a randomer. Tony's main concern isn't someone unauthorised using the suit, but rather being alerted to and being able to find someone who is messing with the suit. So the encryption blocking access to the sub-systems was probably only robust enough to stop someone finding it accidentally, but weak enough that a bright kid who was able to find Happy Hogan's personal phone number could break it. However, Ned wasn't good enough to hack the suit without alerting Stark. That is the real security.

How does Vulture's gang know about the shipment from Avengers Tower?

• They know the exact date and hour for the shipment, possibly months in advance, enough for Tinkerer to keep suggesting building a suit with high-altitude vacuum seal. In addition, they even have the plane's blueprint (seen on one of the screens), and can put together a decoy drone that precisely mimics the plane's signal. Is there a mole inside Tony's company (or the Avenger's support group)?
  • It's likely that there have been multiple transport flights to and from Avengers Tower, so Toomes and his crew would have plenty of time to observe them and gather intelligence.
  • Happy says the flight in the movie is the last flight, meaning there have been several beforehand. Toomes just got lucky that his plans didn't fall apart a few days later, or he would never have been able to execute his big plane heist.
  • The new Avengers compound isn't a secret, so they would've known that stuff was getting moved. Getting the public flight info isn't particularly hard or secret, so knowing the time and flight plan would've been trivial.
  • They installed a bug in Happy's office.

Why does Happy Hogan decide to meet Peter in the school's restroom?

• Of all the places Happy could decide to meet with Peter in the ending, he decides it would be a good idea to wait in the restroom during a school day, where surely a lot of people will be using it. Even he finds that very awkward when he tries to hold a conversation with Peter but gets interrupted by a student currently using a toilet. More importantly, restrooms aren't really that private. People can still hear what's going on inside. Happy's conversation with Peter could've accidentally revealed to others that Peter is Spider-Man.
  • Happy didn't actually say anything about Peter being Spider-Man, so he clearly took some precautions. Besides, bathrooms are a classic (at least in movies) spot for people to do things they don't want anyone to find out about. High school bathrooms aren't going to be that busy in the middle of class if you pick the right time.
  • Also, judging by the fact that Peter leaves his Decathlon meeting to meet Happy, this was likely after school, when it's much less busy.
  • Happy's poor judgement is a running gag throughout the franchise.

Avengers staffing and current missions

• When Peter arrives at the Avengers compound, there's brand new Quinjets in place and at least one is taking off to the horizon. Given the events of Civil War, and that the "legal" Avengers amount to, at most, Tony, Rhodey, and Vision, and Tony is currently busy meeting Peter, who do they have on call to take missions from the UN at this point?
  • It's not out of the question that Tony may have recruited a number of lower rung Avengers members that don't operate with the "main" team.
  • As that was a new Quinjet, it's possible it was being tested or was being used to show off to the reporters who were at the HQ.
  • I have once wrote about that. Let's say that Peter accepts the proposal: things would be more or less like this
  Peter: Yes, yes, YES! I want so much to be an Avenger! (and signs). So, great, where's the rest of the team? Is cap here?
  Tony: Hm, no, Cap is a fugitive now, he's running away from the law.
  Peter: Oh, poop. Black Widow? The Scarlet Witch?
  Tony: No, they are fugitives as well.
  Peter: Damnit! And Thor? He completely rocks!
  Tony: Who knows? He left Earth many months ago, and we have not seen him since then, neither Hulk.
  Peter: And that guy with the robot arm? And the one that became a giant?
  Tony: Those were not Avengers, just Cap's friends.
  Peter: But then, WHO IS IN THE TEAM THAT I HAVE JUST JOINED???
  Tony: Hm, it's... just the two of us.
  • Black Widow's status as a "war criminal" is dubious. She's neither a supeheroine nor an Avenger, she's actually a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, and Ross (and whatever nebulous organization he works for) has no authority to put the "war criminal" brand on S.H.I.E.L.D. agents. Most likely, after Civil War, S.H.I.E.LD. gave Black Widow a full pardon and told Ross to piss off, and Natasha is now working full-time with S.H.I.E.L.D.
    • What? She IS an avenger, she was clearly a part of the team. She probably lost her status as an agent of SHIELD when SHIELD was (at least legally) disbanded and decided to stay a full time Avenger instead.
    • Infinity War shows that she was in fact a fugitive, and Civil War already implied that she would have been arrested for helping Steve and Bucky escape.

Why did Stark change his mind about Spider-Man joining the Avengers?

• Spider-Man didn't really do much to prove himself as an Avenger. For most of the movie, his actions put people in danger, which was part of the reason why Stark didn't think he was ready for active duty and eventually took his suit. At the end, Peter defied Stark by putting on his old costume and going after Vulture again. I could understand if he defeated Vulture himself, but Vulture was escaping with a bunch of Stark arc reactors, which resulted in his flight harness blowing up. Peter lucked out there. Obviously, things would have been worse if Peter hadn't been there, but I would think his actions would result in Stark just giving him back his costume and placing him under his supervision. Offering him full fledged Avengers membership seems a bit much for someone who is obviously still a rookie.
  • Peter showed exactly that he has what it takes to be an Avenger. He spends most of the movie acting out of an egotistical desire to join Tony and the rest as equals but puts other people at risk and accidentally causes a disaster that could have caused hundreds of fatalities. After being berated by Tony and having his high-tech suit taken away, Peter's confronted with the knowledge that Toomes is planning an even bigger heist that could result in many more dangerous weapons being made and sold. This time, he rushes off to confront the danger not because he's trying to prove himself but because he realizes that public safety is at risk and it needs to be stopped and puts himself at risk in order to protect others. In doing this, Peter lives up to the Steve Rogers standard that Tony Stark seems to have adopted as his own and shows himself worthy of the trust Tony first put in him.
  • Tony is impressed that Peter took down Vulture without the use of his high-tech suit. He also recognizes that Vulture could have caused a lot of damage if he'd gotten away with all that Avenger tech. (Tony's probably mad at himself for not putting more security on that plane.) Also, Peter did attempt to warn Happy about the theft, as opposed to earlier on when he deliberately screwed with the tracker. And finally remember that Tony has always been impulsive and irresponsible. If making Peter a full-fledged Avenger all of a sudden seems a bit too much too fast...well, that's entirely in-character for Tony.
  • It's also possible he just realized Peter wasn't going to stop and might as well make the best of it. He took back his suit, but if Peter was just gonna keep going with his own equipment Tony can't demand back he's got no other way of stopping him short of exposing his identity to May or the cops and getting him in serious trouble with the Accords, something he might threaten, but not actually do. Tony figured that if he couldn't scare him into stopping, and taking away his toys wouldn't stop him, then he might as well make him an Avenger like he wants so he can keep a close eye on him. Especially since as an Avenger he'd be obligated to follow Tony's orders this time.
  • Note Peter's reaction to the whole thing in the aftermath. He seemingly called cops, got Vulture arrested, and went home not expecting to hear from Tony and Happy again. No showing off, no grandstanding and no calling Tony or Happy to brag and/or try to get the suit back or make it look like it was another attempt to impress them. He showed he did it because it was the right thing to do, not to prove he was ready for the big leagues or make up for his earlier screw up. He'd showed Tony he'd learned his lesson and basically given up on being an Avenger. At the same time he showed Tony that he was capable of handling a super villain, and that Tony himself had seriously underestimated Vulture's threat. Thus Tony decided to give him a shot on the Avengers.
  • Because Thaddeus Ross was stupid enough to put a "this ONLY applies to Avengers" clause in the Accords. Thus, Peter can't be forced to sign the Accords, or forced to obey Ross' whims, unless he becomes an Avenger. Which, in turn, explains why Peter refused Stark's offer.
    • Ross didn't write the Accords. The UN drafted them. Ross merely enforced them and was tasked with serving as their spokesman for the Avengers.
    • According to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the Accords don't apply only to the Avengers; all "enhanced individuals" have a legal requirement to register and sign the Accords.
  • Tony's judgement when it comes to Peter is consistently poor and emotionally driven, from recruiting him in the first place to deciding halfway through the film that he was Peter would be an outlet for Tony's daddy issues. Peter's take down of the Vulture was stupidly heroic and helped Stark save face.

How could Tony Stark be able to offer Spider-Man an opportunity to join the Avengers?

• As noted in the film itself and stated on the main Trope page for the film: the Avengers are formally deputized agents whose identities are public knowledge. Peter Parker is a minor and at age fifteen many existing state labor laws prohibit bar him from many employment opportunities. Even if the Accords allow a fifteen year-old to join the ranks of the Avengers, Peter should not be able to join without permission of his legal guardian, May Parker.
  • Well considering the Accords already violate several civil rights and constitutional laws, it's likely that the government doesn't care how old is he as long as he's under their control.
  • Not to mention, Tony still wields heavy influence over the US government, considering how he's able to singlehandedly create an entirely new federal agency that he is basically in charge of.
  • And it's not like they have any other potential candidates waiting with the team being very understrength after the majority of the Avengers went underground with Captain America.
  • I just assumed that they were going to keep Peter's identity secret. Keep the mask on, don't use his real name, and let everyone assume that Spider-Man is in fact a legal adult. Meanwhile, Tony's done some quiet bureaucratic maneuvering to make it legal for a 15-year-old kid to serve on the team without permission from his guardian.
    • If that's true, then it's actually worse than Tony taking Peter to Germany in "Civil War".
    • Indeed, if this is what's actually happening, then things look good for the fugitives: They just need to reveal to the world that, under the Accords, a child is putting himself at risk at the service of the UN. The support they already have is going to skyrocket and probably deligitimize the accords completely.
  • It's likely that the Accords make provisions for supervising minors with superpowers, considering that the Twins prove you can be pretty young and still acquire such abilities. The Avengers might be able to sidestep some of those child labor laws under the grounds that they're "supervising" Peter's development and control of his powers. Beyond that, any prior age restrictions on employment specifically with the Avengers may have been eliminated when Vision joined the team: he was only one day old when they battled Ultron, after all.

Aunt May's relation to Peter

• Why does everything keep saying May is the sister of Peter's mom? Isn't her last name Parker? Traditionally, she's been related to Peter by marriage- she married his paternal uncle, Ben. Is this a new thing for the MCU or are people just confused?
  • Generally her maiden name is Reilly, possibly misspelled here. It's where the Scarlet Spider, Peter's clone, gets his generally used last name. Generally Uncle Ben and Peter's father are Parkers.
  • Also Mr. Delmar remarked that she was a "hot Italian woman" which they probably did add in accordance to Marisa Tomei and her background, so it's possible she did just marry into the family. Apparently Parker is an English/French surname according to research.
  • Depending on the writers, sometimes May and Peter's mother are indeed sisters who each married a Parker brother.

No Breathing Mask

• How was Peter breathing at the plane heist? It was high up enough that Toomes needed a High Altitude Vacuum Seal and Peter was using his old suit, so no Tony's Crazy Prepared here.
  • Film Theory did a video about how the G-force of Spiderman's web-swinging would kill an ordinary person. Between that and this question, it might be fair to assume that Peter's respiratory and circulatory systems are a little bit more advanced due to his powers.
  • The plane didn't seem to be flying that high, really. The vacuum seal was probably intended to keep some type of hull breach alarm from going off, rather than a necessity for breathing inside of it. I think a better question would be why an unmanned aircraft was even pressurized to begin with, but I guess that plane was also intended for people's transport in other situations.
  • Some of the cargo may be susceptible to pressure changes, which would mean that keeping the pressure equal is important to Toomes to preserve its value.

Decathlon Nationals in September

• Very nitpicky, but as a former Quiz Bowl competitor, I have to ask: why is the tournament so early? A poster shows that the date of the Decathlon National tournament is September 14th, but that's like the second week of school. That gives the players no time to get their team ready. Even more problematic, how did they qualify? Usually there would be regional tournaments as qualifiers, then states, and then nationals. How would a team qualify for nationals at the beginning of the school year? I wouldn't expect a national tournament for any school competition until May or so.
  • Perhaps the regional tournaments, qualifiers, states, etc. where during the summer.
  • There's also a very likely chance that the screenwriters forgot (perhaps on purpose) that Homecoming is usually in the fall, and the prom is what's in the spring, and that threw off the movie's timing. Having the tournament in May works just fine if the school dance in question is the prom, but Spider-Man: Prom doesn't have the same ring to it.

Abandoning A Minor You're Responsible For

• Peter's pursuit of Vulture to Maryland ends with him locked in a bunker overnight. He is thus not in his hotel room come morning, and so his team leaves for the decathlon without him. And none of the accompanying faculty are the least bit concerned. What? No, if you take an underage student out of state and assume responsibility for him, and he then goes missing without a trace, you call the police, you do not continue with the scheduled event as though nothing has happened. The teachers at Midtown seem pretty spacey but this is outright criminal neglect. He does get a detention afterwards, but in real life I think the consequences would be a little more severe.
  • We don't know exactly what went down, but Ned very well could have been covering for him, implying he was in the restroom, with another group of students, etc. whenever teachers were checking.
  • Or Ned taped some barfing sounds off the internet, set up a playback from the bathroom of his and Peter's hotel room, and said Peter was ill from an anxiety attack and couldn't compete. Everybody who knows Peter knows he's been stressed out for months, so it's a plausible excuse, and unless the teacher really wants to watch a kid puking his guts out, they'll take Ned's word for it and not open the bathroom door. The detention wouldn't be for not going to the event, it'd be for Peter leaving the hotel room once he was "feeling better" and wandering off on his own in a strange city.

No invisibility in the spider-suit?

• The scene where Peter is hiding from the crooks in the van, why didn't he ask the suit if it has an invisibility feature? This is Tony Stark we're talking about here. Heck, they made the plane invisible so it wouldn't get detected.
  • It could be that the technology just isn't at the point that it could fit in a suit like that. Peter may have realized this and thus not bothered to ask.
  • That happens when you try to use a software with so many options, without reading the tutorial first.

Thor's belt

• Why is Tony Stark in possession of Megigjord and why hasn't Thor used it before? Why has he even left it on earth before leaving to investigate the infinity stones? The belt can enhance Thor's power and strength even more and sounds very much useful. Or, does Ragnarok take place before this movie? I actually assumed that it takes place during it, because Homecoming is set only two months after Civil War and Ragnarok was the reason of Thor and Banner's absence then.
  • Beyond it being magical, do we actually know what Thor's belt's abilities are in the MCU? It could be that it isn't all that helpful, or perhaps the one Tony has is a spare?
  • Maybe it's just a belt that holds his pants up and Tony is safekeeping it for a friend.

KILL FEATURE?!

• Come on Tony, I know you're intelligent enough to know that Peter -a fifteen year old kid- would absolutely NOT be cool with the idea of killing his enemies. What the hell was he thinking? This kid is dangerous enough. Why install an insta-kill feature in his suit?
  • Tony is recruiting and training Peter for The Avengers. What kind of bad guys do the Avengers fight? Well they fight HYDRA, Chitauri and killer robots. Tony is paranoid and preparing for an alien invasion or return since Iron Man 3 and that led him to make Ultron in the first place. Do you think that if Spider-Man was on duty in the Avengers mission and fighting the Chitauri and protecting people he shouldn't try to take out that Keystone Army? I mean yes What Measure Is a Non-Human? applies but fundamentally the Avengers are a military group fighting military threat and operate under The Laws and Customs of War and it's legal under that to kill enemy soldiers in combat and if and when Thanos invades, as D23 unveils in Infinity War, Spider-Man would have to level up or otherwise he would not be able to save himself or save other people.
  • In addition, the kill command was locked behind the training wheels protocol. Peter was never supposed to access it until he was ready for it.
  • Also, any actually lethal capabilities of the suit itself might have been disabled, but the programming might have been installed as part of a massive package. For all we know, triggering the insta-kill might have done absolutely nothing.
  • As seen in Avengers Endgame Tony definately built a kill feature into Peter's suits.
  • Endgame also shows exactly what the feature was for. Killing alien monsters, or Ultron bots or the main other world ending disasters the Avengers face where lethal force is both justified and needed. Peter might want to bring thugs and human criminals in peacefully and he's got the right idea of it, but if he showed up the battle of New York trying to web up and arrest each Chitauri he'd just risk getting him or another hero killed. And given how Peter suggests they blow Ebony Maw into space I think even he realizes there's a time and place for arrests and a time for force. You can't arrest killbots and dangerous aliens. Judicial system has no place for that anyway.

Does Toomes know his outfit resembles a vulture?

• Or does he like wearing jackets with puffy feathers whenever he go out in missions? I can't remember if he calls himself "The Vulture", or if the public gave him that name.
  • He was never named as "The Vulture" except as a gag by Spidey a few times. And the "puffy feathers" thing is actually just a standard bomber jacket collar.

Toomes's first kill

• Toomes killing Brice...could the authorities prove he killed that guy? He completely vaporized him. There's nothing left of him for DNA testing. The only witnesses who saw it were Schultz and Tinkerer. Not sure they would rat him out. Toomes could tell the authorities the guy skipped town. Also, for a dad who accidentally killed a man, he sure got over it pretty fast. Heck, he was willing to kill more people.
  • You prevent Toomes from taking care of his family, you are dead. Don't fool yourself: The antigravity gun was just to immobilize the Shocker so Toomes could shoot or stab him. Here, he dies in a very efficient way, so taking the wrong gun was a lucky mistake for Toomes.
  • Apart for the one dumb enough to threaten him, Toomes doesn't seem to want to kill anyone: He gave Peter a fair warning, and after that, I'm not even sure he was trying to kill him. He didn't check if Spidey was really dead, maybe he just wanted to incapacitate him instead of killing him. Toomes is a villain, but he's not a bad guy. The ending really proves that.
  • Nah, he does want to kill people. He clearly said that he will kill Peter dead. He just gave Peter one chance to walk away for saving his daughter, and probably doing Peter another one last favor for saving his life by keeping Peter's identity secret.
  • He definitely has no qualms killing. Unless you think he didn't expect to kill Peter by dropping a building on top of him.
  • While Toomes has no problem with killing, he also does not seem like a vengeful person. Remember, he never went after the bureaucrat that cost him his job (like many other villains would have). He kills Brice after he threatened his family, but it didn't seem like he would've done it otherwise. He beats Spider-Man and then attempts to fly away before finishing him off; in his mind, he has his loot and Spider-Man will not come after him because he is beaten. And once he's in prison he has already lost; he has nothing to gain from killing Spider-Man. Basically, he will not hold back like Spidey does to avoid killing, but he won't kill somebody just because he feels like it.
  • To be fair he does say "I thought this was the Anti-Gravity gun?" he seemed to really be surprised it was a Disintegrator, he does seem more surprised than shocked, and Brice was abit of a psycho, the only reason he goes after Peter afterwards is because Peter keeps interfering, he seemed fully honest about his intention to not only leave Peter alone as long as Peter kept out of his direct business, but to also keep his secret, probably also partly due to Villain Respect, Peter is just like Toomes in Regards to being one of the "little guys" trying to be bigger.

Toomes Escaping Homecoming

• Toomes seemed to think Peter got his powers from Stark's spider suit, like Stark himself and Toomes himself. But Peter should have known Toomes was helpless against a metahuman in that situation, gun or no gun. Why didn't he just restrain Toomes and call Happy? If he was worried about his secret identity he could have carried Toomes into the school, suited up, and turned him in as Spider-Man. Hell, it wouldn't have even derailed the story, "Shocker" was near enough (and unexpected enough) to rescue Toomes and progress the story. It's a bit hard to take that scene seriously after the fridge logic kicks in.
  • Peter didn't wear his spider suit nor has his web shooters with him when he's in Toomes's car. Tony took away his advanced suit and he didn't recover and put on his old suit from under one of the school's lockers until he was ready to go after Toomes. Sure, Peter should still have his super strength and should be able to take Toomes on, but from his perspective, he's still scared out of his mind by Toomes's threat. He was not expecting to find out that Toomes is Liz's father and just wanted that evening to be just him and Liz enjoying themselves at the homecoming party. After Toomes shows up, and Liz accidentally clues in to her father that Peter is Spider-Man, it's safe to assume that Peter is too in shock from everything that's happening to do anything, and it takes him five minutes after the car scene to summon up the courage to go after Toomes. He's still a 15 years old kid, after all, Spider-Man or not. Also, when Toomes stopped the car in front of the school, there are many civilians in the vicinity (including Liz herself), and Toomes does have a gun in his hand and ready to use it. Peter is still reeling from his big screw up at the ferry incident, perhaps he's not willing to endanger anyone. Any action in the car could've attracted a lot of unwanted attention and endanger lives. Adding that to the above 'scared out of his mind' thing, it's safe to say that Peter simply couldn't do anything to Toomes at that moment. Also, regarding Happy, he hadn't been taking Peter seriously throughout the movie, why would he do so now? Later in the film when Peter asks Ned to call Happy, he just simply has a You Have GOT to Be Kidding Me! reaction and immediately drops Ned's call.
  • There's also the fact that Toomes is no longer just a villain: now he's also the father of the girl he likes. If he attacks him at home or the school, she would ask: "Peter, what the hell are you doing?!", and which would be his reply to that? As things played out, Toomes was detained by the unknown Spider-Man and his criminal activities were exposed; Peter's romance will not have any obstacles from that issue, as long as he keeps his identity a secret.
  • Not to mention that Peter has no actual proof that Toomes is guilty of anything, aside from maybe a city gun law violation or two for having a weapon in the car. There's the footage Karen took of Toomes being present at one of the black-market tech shipments, but Spidey would have to testify to the circumstances under which that footage was captured if it's to be presented as legal evidence against the man. Which would blow Peter's Secret Identity with everyone, compounding the problem of Toomes himself already knowing who Spider-Man is.

Shocker's first visit to Midtown

• How did Shocker and that other guy (the first Shocker?) get away with barging into Midtown School and strutting around in conspicuous overcoats like they owned the place? You can't just walk into a high school from off the street and not raise any eyebrows (especially not a prestigious, apparently private school like Midtown, where you might even expect to see some security guards).
  • Not to mention they are carrying around normal guns. They don't have silencers, or a quiet way of handling a person?
  • Perhaps they just waited for the opportunity to sneak in when the classes are in session first so the school will be less crowded. Midtown is big, there's bound to be somewhere in the school that is less guarded than other place (Peter himself even finds a quiet location with no one around and uses his super strength to jump across the school fence earlier in the movie). Plus Peter later learned from Karen that Toomes's bad guys don't have data in the criminal database so they aren't afraid of things like security cameras or witnesses since no one can track them down anyways, that is of course if they don't go out of their way to get themselves caught.
  • Take it from a parent: It's not as hard to get through the doors of a busy school as you would want it to be. Generally it's a matter of pushing a doorbell and the overworked secretary will buzz you through remotely if you look halfway respectable. After that, having a plausible manner and looking like you know where you're going will get you almost anywhere.
  • For all we know, their kids might attend Midtown School also.

Sympathy for Vulture and his crew?

• Are we supposed to feel sorry for them? I have this feeling if these guys were rich, they still would be shady jerks. Toomes punched a guy at the beginning. I get that he is the little guy who was screwed over by the system, but these guys look like troublemakers from the start.
  • It's kinda like Harvey Dent from The Dark Knight, or Helmut Zemo in Civil War. Those are normal men driven mad by the situations that ruined them, so they turned to crime to enact their own warped justice on others. They have valid reasons to become what they are, but what they do is still a heinous crime, as Peter notes in the movie. That's why there's a whole Alternative Character Interpretation page for us to discuss them. Even Tony Stark got some flag by people who see him as the real villain of the film because most of the problems in the movie, including The Vulture's rise to villainy, can be tracked back to him, even if that's probably not what he intended to happen.
  • Toomes may not be "rich", but judging by his beautiful, gigantic home he's at the cusp. So he clearly just uses the money from his dirty dealings to give his wife and daughter a good, comfortable life. He's not a good person, but he's also not one of the many MCU villains opening up doom portals in the sky. And like Toomes himself pointed out, selling weapons to bad people is essentially where Tony Stark's money—and thus Iron Man—came from.
• Vulture may have valid reasons for his actions. But they aren't excuses and they don't absolve him of guilt.

The returned suit

• So, at the end of the film, Stark returned the suit to Parker. It wouldn't fit him, anyway. But what about the training wheels protocol? Did he left it disabled? Or did he enable it again?
  • He most likely left it disabled since he knows that Peter at that point has matured enough that he can responsibly use the suit.
  • He may have used the "Baby Monitor" to check what Peter did after disabling the "Training Wheels" and probably changed the protocol to keep those things Peter is so far unwilling or unable to use (such as the Instant Killing mode) while allowing him to use the others.

Cops in the helicopter not knowing who Spider-Man is

• Why are they shooting at him? Let's assume those cops in the helicopter don't watch YouTube, Peter must have been featured on the news dozens of times. I can't see a guy web-slinging around the city and fighting crooks, and not be on the 6 o' clock news. This Spider-Man is not Batman where he is rarely seen by civilians, and operates mostly at night.
  • It does not matter. You are not allowed to climb the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man, and neither the Washington Monument. No exceptions for the real Spider-Man.
  • Not to mention, the Accords are now law and in full force, and since Spider-Man is not an official Avenger, he's still seen as a vigilante.
  • Washington cops likely won't have seen the New York City news.
  • Even if they knew who Spider-Man was, anyone can wear a costume and wear suction-cup gloves. "Identify Yourself" is probably shorthand for "prove that you're the guy who worked with the Avengers in Germany and explain what you're doing here." Plus, considering how the NYC news vilified other vigilantes like Daredevil, Frank Castle, and Luke Cage at various points, anyone watching that media would be led to believe that Spider-Man's a menace.
  • On top of that, Spider-Man hasn't been wearing his current Stark-designed suit in public enough for him to be easily recognized as the same kid in a red hoodie that was swinging around New York in some viral YouTube videos. The cops just saw a guy in a weird red and blue skintight suit scaling the Washington Monument and reacted accordingly. They may have thought it was Alain Robert up to his usual tricks.
  • Or maybe the helicopter cops were very big fans of J. Jonah Jameson.

Captain America was holding back?

• Okay, at the boat scene, Tony said that Captain America was holding back. Like, seriously? Spider-man treated Bucky, who is Cap's near-equal, as if he was a joke. Was able to physically stalemate Cap in a tug-of-war and was able to lift an airbridge, which Cap himself was clearly impressed by. Sure Cap got his hits in, but it was clear he was going all out and it was only skill that allowed him to win.
  • And exactly is that proof that they weren't holding back? They fight against an unknown person who's abilities and power level they don't know. Bucky has spent most of his years by being an heavily armed one man army who can fight Cap to a standstill because they both have so much training and experience about it, not to mention that as a soldier, Cap isn't averse to killing either. But in the fight they just want to get the hell out of there as fast as they can and by not killing anyone. Hell, if he'd wanted, Cap could have shot him, beaten him or just plain hit him so that the bridge would have fallen on him. But he didn't, he just wanted to disable Spider-Man for while so he can escape.
  • If you watch Cap's fight with Spidey closely, you can see Steve gradually ramping up his level of force. He could've just smacked Spidey in the face with the edge of the shield, not the flat. Clearly holding back.
• The ridiculous problem of that ridiculous Captain America "holding back" excuse is that everyone was holding back in that fight against each other. The Avengers are used to fighting with and using deadly force, and all of them were holding back against each other in that airport battle. So the idea that Spider-Man was specifically singled out and babied is a kind of lame dodge because the level at which he was fighting at was still at par with everyone else. And of course at the end of Civil War, Rogers could have killed Iron Man as well, so he "held back" against Tony Stark as well. In other words, the airport fight is by its very nature not an indicator that Spider-Man is inexperienced, too youthful, or not as skilled. In fact the very opposite, he was brought to keep him at pace with everyone else. Now maybe Tony Stark may have meant that Peter hasn't been in a fight against bad guys who are trying to kill him but that's not clarified and it falls under the rubric of fans doing writer's job for them. The only reasonable explanation is that Tony Stark is lying to Peter about "holding back" and using it as a manipulative trick to assert his mentor superiority over his student to knock him down.
  • Its not really ridiculous at all. Yes, everyone was holding back in the sense that they didn't want to kill each other, but that is immaterial to Tony's point. Peter basically claimed he fought Captain America as an equal, and used it as evidence that he was ready to fight super villains. Tony's point was that the fight with Cap was not comparable to the fighting that Peter was asking to be a part of. Its not really fans doing a writer's job for them so much as an easy inference that Tony is telling him that there is a big difference between what he's done and what he is asking to be a part of. Also Tony didn't bring him to "keep pace" so much as to provide an unexpected boost to his team's abilities. He wanted Peter to stay at range and just web up foes whenever he got the chance. Lastly, Peter has never fought to kill to begin with, he doesn't even know how. Captain America does. That alone puts him at a higher tier when it comes to fighting, at least for now.
  • As Batman can tell you, it takes far greater skill and ability to fight and incapacitate your foes non-lethally than it does lethally. Since Spider-Man intentionally refuses to kill and immediately turned down Tony's "insta-kill mode" he is automatically more skilled than Iron Man. Of course, I suppose Batman is not realistic, but then Tony Stark isn't realistic either^note (A 40 year old playboy with no military training somehow being a better pilot than any USAF servicemen, is an insult to both scientists and tech-geniuses who work behind the scenes on Apollo mission and other test flights and the pilots) and he's no more realistic or believable than Peter. Tony explicitly brought Spider-Man because as the Russos depict in Captain America: Civil War, he can stop a moving car driving at top speed with a single punch. That Homecoming wants to retcon that is its problem. Some fans are not going to develop short-term memory and simply accept this Ass Pull explanation. And of course, it was Spider-Man who devised the strategy to knock out Giant-Man whose powers and presence Iron-Man Didn't See That Coming, and it was Peter who came up with The Empire Strikes Back AT-AT Homage. Was Giant Man holding back? Ant-Man explicitly said that what he was doing was a Godzilla Threshold and he recklessly threw a dangerous fuselage at some of Team Iron Man to Cap's disapproval. Occam's Razor gives us two possibilities: either Jon Watts wants to Retcon that fight and make us forget what we have seen, or that Tony Stark lied to Peter and was Gaslighting him out of Anger Born of Worry.
    • That "refuses to kill and thus is more skilled than Iron Man" is fanboyism taken to the extreme (or pure fan-fiction, as you say yourself below). Yeah, no, just because Peter doesn't want to kill anyone doesn't mean he has the skill or ability to fight non-lethally; just in this movie he came close to causing hundreds of deaths. Since when does "refusing to kill someone" means that one has the capacity to not actually kill someone?
  • That's not how it works. If Spidey flawlessly non lethally took down all of Cap's team then yeah he'd be more skilled than Tony, but he doesn't. He looks cool in a few places during the airport fight but pretty much loses every fight he's in in the end. Yeah he steals Cap's shield, but Scott flip kicks him and takes it back. Yeah he overpowers Bucky's arm and webs up Falcon but it still ends with Redwing chucking him out the window. Yes he grabbed Cap a few times but it still ended with Cap dropping a boarding ramp on him. Yes he webbed up Scott's legs but it still ended with him getting bitchslapped and going down as well. That is a terrible track record at trying to convince Tony he's ready to fight psycho's and terrorists when even a bunch of good guys trying not to kill him still took down in every skirmish. Even in his own movie he's frequently defeated. Vulture beats him pretty much every time, he only "wins" because the jetpack gives out. The ferry is a great example of how NOT skilled he is at non lethal combat because while he could have just snuck up and broke that guy's neck neutralizing the threat, but because he tried to disarm him his weapon misfired and destroyed the ferry. So yeah, he's not nearly at Tony or any Avengers level yet. He's really only has a great track record against random thugs.
  • That is total fan-fiction, and completely misreading the scene. Spider-Man acquits himself as well as the rest of his group. He throws some punches and takes others but so does the rest of them. He is on par with the rest. The specific excuses by Tony Stark i.e Team Cap was holding back falls apart when you consider that everyone else was holding back and avoiding lethal force. It falls apart when you consider how unprepared for Giant Man Iron Man and the rest were and that it was Spider-Man who came up with the plan to take him out. Even the "holding back" is dubious, because Scott Lang was crossing a Godzilla Threshold by unleashing Giant Man, which he himself said could split him apart if it didn't work out. So even if they weren't using lethal force against each other, some of them, namely Giant-Man was still doing dangerous stuff they didn't fully have control over. Likewise, if there's anyone incompetent and inexperienced on that team then it's The Vision who took out War Machine via friendly fire. So there's no reason to believe based on what we see that Spider-Man is somehow not at Avengers level based on visual evidence. I mean is Spider-Man more inexperienced than Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Ant-Man? Scott Lang was far more reckless and his experience was as an ex-con and he only had one superhero outing; the Vision as he says "born yesterday", Wanda is an ex-Hydra super-soldier whose last encounter saw a huge loss of civilian life.
    • Tony didn't say Team Cap was holding back, he said Cap, personally, was holding back. If you go back and watch the fight scene between Spidey and Cap, Cap keeps stepping up his level of force. Spidey may be stronger, but he was still an inexperienced kid with no real fight training, up against the best soldier in human history. If Cap wanted to toss his shield at Spidey while he was swinging through the air, or still getting up, or pinned in place by the jetway, Pete would be lying on the tarmac with a broken neck or crushed sternum.^note And all conventional knowledge indicates that we need our sternums. Steve is barely breathing hard by the time he stops Spidey.
    • That sounds like the MCU version of "Batgod with Prep Time" to me. The fact is the fight was staged in a certain way. We all saw it. Tony Stark explicitly bought Spider-Man to the team because he wanted more muscle against Team Cap. He mentions this to Natasha, and she in response gets Black Panther while he goes to Queens. The entire airport fight has both teams using non-lethal force to start with, and in the same scene Scarlet Witch calls out Hawkeye for holding back against Natasha. So this was always an "exhibition" match, where everyone was trying to decommission each other non-lethally. And even then there are gray areas...like when Captain America took out Peter from the fight, he knocked down a plane chute installation directly on top of Peter, right when he says, "you got heart kid". Now that scene implies two things: that Captain America knew about Spiderman before the fight and knew his level of Super-Strength. If that was the case, then he probably did believe that Spider-Man was formidable and capable enough to survive and handle that. So it's a mark of Worthy Opponent. Now if Captain America didn't know Spider-Man and this was an unknown threat, then did he reasonably expect Spider-Man to survive holding that chute installation? Because it seems to be pretty strong force. In any case, the film violates Show, Don't Tell. Homecoming rather. It put mini-retcons about that opening and fight scene to establish a subordinate Mentor Student bond between Tony and Peter, fitting Marvel's general ideology of infantilizing Spider-Man, and this scene where Tony gives that crap excuse about that fight, is being given more credibility than it deserves.
  • Whether or not Cap was "holding back" relative to Cap's potential maximum-force abilities isn't central to Tony's argument, in any case. Stark wasn't saying that Captain America could've easily killed Peter, he's saying that an actual villain really would have killed Peter if that's who Peter'd been fighting instead. He's trying to scare the crap out of the kid so he won't get himself slaughtered, and if he expresses that with a bit of hyperbole, remember that this is Tony Snark we're talking about.
  • I agree, it's a twofer. Tony felt Peter was punching above his weight, possible due to his experiences in Germany gave Peter a false sense of confidence. Tony was pointing out that one) Captain America could have taken him out hard if he wanted to, because he is the ultimate soldier and two) just because he faced Captain America doesn't mean he was ready for taking on Vulture and his crew. It was in a non-lethal situation unlike now where not only could Peter get seriously hurt, he could get killed.
  • While Spidey catches Cap off-guard at the start of the fight, it's pretty clear that once Cap adjusts, Peter doesn't have a chance. Peter has one trump card in the fight (his webs) and Cap is able to turn it against him once he's had a couple seconds to think about it. Without that, Peter is a strong but inexperienced kid, up against a strong adult with years of life-and-death fighting behind him. Also, more to the point, Cap ends Civil War by laying out Iron Man. Naturally Tony's going to think if he lost a fight to Cap, so would Peter.

The Stolen Bike

• Early on in the Blitzkrieg Bop montage, Spider-Man stops a bike thief, then leaves the bike with a note for the owner at the spot where he intervene. Why did he not bring it back to the rack it was stolen from instead of assuming the owner would find it at a random storefront? If he didn't know the rack is where the bike originated, that would mean he didn't see the thief take it, and in that case, how did he know it was stolen?
  • Can't quite remember scene, so maybe it contradicts this explanation, but maybe he heard the hue and cry ("Hey! That guy stole my bike!") but didn't actually see the event and the thief got a couple blocks before Spidey caught him.
  • Peter did see the thief cutting the chain off the bike. He probably left it at the same storefront at which it'd been left chained by the owner. He couldn't re-chain it because he didn't have a chain with him, and didn't want the actual owner to be unable to unchain it.

The announcement at the end.

• I'd be the first to say that Tony deserved a little moral boost after the mess Civil War created for his family, but this then boomerangs out to the question: how did he manage to repair his relationship with Pepper after the "break"? And how is it that he never proposed to her if he had that ring for 8 YEARS??
  • Maybe by working with the government he proved to Pepper he wasn't on a lone wolf self-destructive cycle. And he never thought the moment was right to ask the question, it happens.
    • Okay, the waiting makes sense. But then, after Tony broke the avengers apart in Civil War, don't you think Pepper would be a little upset about everything? Say he went too far or was too much of a jerk or something?
  • Tony doesn't really get analogies or idioms. He'll attempt to use them occasionally, but he's bad at them (see: screwing the pooch). His exact words in Age of Ultron is along the lines of "taking a break." Take those words literally. They're not broken up; they're actually just taking some personal time to really think about their relationship.
  • The simple answer is that we can't know what the issues actually were in their relationship because whatever led to the "break", and then however they patched their relationship up, both happened off-screen. I had actually assumed that the two had worked things out and become a couple again several months before this movie happened, if not shortly after the events of Civil War.

Kill Spider-Man, and Then What?

• Is anyone else madly curious about how Toomes would have handled the aftermath if he had killed Spider-Man on homecoming night? Of course, let's assume that Peter's body would have been found and identified. Aunt May would be devastated to learn that her nephew was risking his life and lost it senselessly. Tony would have gone on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge to find Toomes, and likely would find him with all the Stark resources. Liz would have learned that her homecoming date had been killed because he was Spider-Man, and that her father was the murderer. Toomes knows about the Stark internship, so maybe he would prepare for Tony's backlash. How would he explain to his baby girl, "I killed him because he was threatening our source of income that is technically illegal and dangerous?"
  • Assuming the body would be found and traced to Toomes are big assumptions to make when we have no idea what plans, if any, Toomes had for if he did kill Peter. We know he's very experienced at keeping under the radar. It depends too on which attempt you are specifically talking about.
  • Toomes has access to a lot of crazy tech. He can do myriad of things with Spider-Man's body. Disintegrate it, plant it on rivals' territory to set them up, just drop it into ocean miles and miles away from NY.
  • And as for Aunt May? Remember, his threat wasn't just about killing Peter, he said "I'll kill you, and everyone you love." So he'd definitely go and kill Aunt May as well.
    • What for? Sure, he said he'd do that, but that was when he was threatening Peter to make him leave Toomes's criminal operations alone. He has no actual animus against May, and is sensible enough to know that simply getting rid of Peter's body and letting everyone think he's just another missing teen is a much better plan than seeking further revenge against a hero he's already killed. At most, he might send one of his thugs to burglarize Peter's room and steal some web-shooter tech.

How does Toomes avoid being detected by the Netflix heroes?

• So Toomes and his crew have been making weapons from past MCU battles and selling them to criminals. So my question is, how is that at no point in those eight years did Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones or Luke Cage stumble onto this operation? Or at the very least encountered Chitarui-esque weaponry in their streets that is way more advanced than Diamondback's Judas bullets? How did this completely fly under all their radars for all these years after The Incident, but just now suddenly a teenager from Queens who slings around at night in a spider-themed spandex suit discovers them?
  • One explanation could be that he's been selling to people from distant cities or countries, and has only recently started selling to locals.
    • No, he was only selling to locals, and was trying to expand his business. The most likely explanation is that his business is so small, it never left Queens (weak) or that he hasn't been selling long enough to attract the Netflix heroes (still weak). Superman Stays Out of Gotham.
    • Homecoming is implied to take place in October 2016, given the homecoming dance and the Decathlon. The Defenders appears to take place in November 2016. So at the time of Homecoming, the Netflix heroes are nowhere near a position where they're going to be interested in Toomes: Matt has taken a break from Daredevil in light of Elektra's death to focus on his law career, Jessica is mostly drinking off her post-Kilgrave blues, Luke is in jail and waiting for Foggy to get his charges thrown out, and Danny is overseas with Colleen fighting the Hand.
  • Most logically, perhaps Fisk and Cottonmouth were pragmatic like Aaron Davis was. There was a scene in Daredevil season 1 where James Wesley was lecturing Leland Owlsley on how important it was keep the business with John Healy under the radar and talked about how leaving bodies leaves opportunities for police investigations to come after them. Wesley's logic there easily can apply to their weaponry: Toomes' weaponry is very overpowered enough that they'd have police investigations crawling all over them that they couldn't afford, even with all the cops both guys have on their payrolls.
  • Pragmatism is the most likely answer. Fisk and Cottonmouth both profited off low level crime and under the radar type of stuff because they wanted to profit from their criminal enterprise without risking police attention. Fisk made money off the Incident while Cottonmouth was careful going into business with Diamondback because of his access to Hammer weapons. And Judas bullets, while still very deadly, are designed to fit into conventional arms, as opposed to high-powered and clearly too dangerous to handle weapons that Toomes deals.

Whose Car Is That?

• Flash admits that his Cool Car is actually his father's. If that's true, why does it have the Vanity License Plate "FLASHDRV"? Does Flash's father have the same nickname as him?
  • Maybe his dad let Flash pick the plate out because he plans on giving it to Flash in the near future.
  • Or his dad considers himself a flashy driver. Or maybe the car's so fast it'll be gone in a flash.
  • Flash is 15/16, too young to legally own a car plus he's a rich-kid so it's no surprise that the car title is actually in his father's name rather than his own even if he has a vanity plate.
  • Or maybe Flash's family is in the business of manufacturing flash drives, and both the license plate and Flash's nickname are references to that. Certainly this version of Flash doesn't seem to be a jock, so the name isn't a sports reference in this continuity.
  • Flash being enough of a douche to copy his father's nickname or name himself after his dad's license plate is pretty in-character.

Why Steal a Car??

• I get that the MCU inserts a number of car commercials in their films, but why in the world does Spidey steal a car at Homecoming? He's Spider-Man! TWHIP THWIP.

The First Shocker Threatening Toomes

• Has it occurred to Jackson Brice that if he tells Toomes' wife about their operation, she would most likely go to the police? The cops would have to arrest him too since he is involved with Adrian. I'm going to assume he was bluffing in an attempt to scare Toomes.
  • It was blackmail.
  • Considering that they went under the radar for so long, the police wouldn't have the probable cause to back up arresting them based on her hearsay even if he was the one that did tell her. Even if it did go to trial, the prosecution would probably cut Brice a good deal in order to secure his testimony against Toomes.
  • He's playing on Toomes' fears. He knows that what Toomes was scared of the most was his wife and daughter finding out what sort of business he's in and getting hurt by it.
  • Brice wanted Toomes to change his mind and keep him on the crew. Alternatively, he wanted hush money.

Damage Control and Union Allied

• So if Damage Control is the one doing all the cleanup from the Incident, and even shut down Toomes' salvaging company, where does Union Allied, the construction company that was part of Wilson Fisk's operation until Karen Page exposed money laundering there, fit in? Was Union Allied under contract with Damage Control or are they their own entity?
  • When talking with Matt and Foggy in the office after she's released from jail, Karen mentions that Union Allied is "overseeing the bulk of the government contracts for the West Side reconstruction", which suggests that while it was primarily a front, Fisk must have done what Toomes hadn't done and made sure Union Allied looked good enough that Damage Control was willing to award Fisk with construction contracts. Of course, Union Allied was also a construction whereas Toomes ran a salvaging company, so there's also a difference in their corporate charters.
  • It's likely the main issue with Damage Control was, well, letting people handle the alien tech, because somebody might, say...steal it and use it for super weapons. After the salvaging was done, and the areas were clear of tech, then it was likely they just let someone more local handle it, since this isn't Comics Damage Control, and they don't have insane super-tech. They need a lot more people on the ground doing traditional stuff, and if there's a construction company in the area already...
  • Yeah, the impression seems to be that Damage Control just cleans up the mess, while companies like Union Allied actually do the rebuilding.

No S.H.I.E.L.D.

• The organisation was conspicuous by its absence, especially during the cleanup after the battle of New York. What with there being Chitauri technology among the wreckage, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that S.H.I.E.L.D. is supposed to handle. Why they weren't the ones to cordon off the area (at least until the alien technology has been seized) is anybody's guess.
  • There's only one brief scene showing the cleanup. Seeing as Toomes was hired to salvage the debris (both alien and human) there would be no need for SHIELD to be at that specific point.
• Tony Stark mentions having called in the FBI and it was their agents on the ferry, as if the FBI was somehow more qualified to handle the situation than an agency's whose raison d'être is dealing with threats of this nature. As someone who's had numerous dealings with S.H.I.E.L.D. in the past, he of all people should know who to turn to. Had he mentioned the group (even in passing) his reasons could have been handwaved but he didn't. We're also left wondering, if SHIELD was no longer an option, why none of the FBI team comprised ex-SHIELD agents or used SHIELD gear, given they would have had some idea of what they were up against. As it stands, they were completely useless.
  • SHIELD at that point of time was an unsanctioned (but secretly acknowledged) organization, Stark probably didn't even know they were still operating. And while SHIELD had some next gen equipment, they used a lot of conventional gear as well, the team that went to arrest Stane in Iron Man just had pistols. And arguably if Spider-Man hadn't busted up the deal early the FBI would have had the situation under control. Though this is dependent on how much knowledge they had of the weaponry that Toomes' guys dealt with.
    • There's no way Stark doesn't know SHIELD is active. They brought a helicarrier to evacuate Sokovia, so they clearly still have assets.
    • How would Stark know? Tony saw Fury show up in a mothballed old helicarrier with operatives who were dressed casually. As if he pulled them from civilian life and into a rescue mission. Nothing about their arrival indicated that SHIELD was back in action. Only that its former leader showed up with former agents to save the day.

Training Wheels including the glider

• Okay, I get not giving the 14-year old kid access to several hundred advanced web-shooting variations, a personal AI, a spy drone, scanners that penetrate solid metal, an enhanced interrogation mode and murder-mode. But why restrict something as simple and basic as the gliding flaps?
  • Stark wanted Peter to stay in New York and deal with neighborhood level crime. Gliding doesn't have a lot of applications in NYC compared to swinging.

No police escorts?

• It's kinda surprising, but given the materials they were carrying, wouldn't the Damage Control convoys be considered high-risk enough to justify getting police escorts?
  • Maybe Damage Control was afraid the police escort would draw too much attention.

The Shocker's Gauntlet?

• If one blow with it was enough to move a school bus a sizeable distance, almost flipping it, why was it not powerful enough to break every bone in Peter's body when the Shocker landed a solid hit with it?
  • ...Because Peter is insanely durable. We see him get dragged through brick walls and along tarmac by a moving vehicle, without so much as a graze. Not long after Peter gets punched through a bus, Toomes drops an entire warehouse on him, which doesn't do much except make him panic for a minute. Getting punched by Shocker is one of the least dangerous things that happens to him in this movie.
    • Adding to this, keep in mind that Peter has inherited some traits from a spider. Spiders (and most other bugs and insects) are themselves insanely durable when you forget our relative size and how easy we can just squash them. Hypothetically, say you looked down on your hand and a spider was crawling around. Startled, you give it a flick, it goes flying across the room, and it smacks against the wall. It's probably going to get right back up and start crawling, very little worse for wear. If the same thing happened to a tiny human, there would most certainly be a mess involved.
    • Spiders aren't especially durable, see the Square-Cube Law for a full explanation.

How Long Was Peter In Germany?

• The video diary contradicts much of what happened in the aftermath of the airport fight in Civil War: Peter and Tony are shown spending a night at the hotel before taking him back home when in the Civil War after-credits it was implied that he was only gone for a day or so and neither have any bruises nor does Tony have his arm in a sling like he did before going off to intercept Steve and Bucky in Siberia. Also one doubts that Tony would have left Rhodey's side when flying him back to the Avengers compound for medical treatment.

The Shockers not wearing masks?

• Why don't these guys wear masks? I understand they were trying to make the Shockers look realistic by not giving them goofy costumes, but if you're planning to commit illegal acts, you're going need to conceal your identity. For example, the second Shocker makes no attempt to hide his face when attacking Peter in the school parking lot.
  • I agree that Schultz not wearing a mask, at least in his final fight, was a little baffling, especially considering how worried he was about getting caught after the botched sale at the ferry. Brice, however, seemed to just not care, too caught up in the thrill of having high-tech toys. This is the guy who was firing off a laser light show of weapons in the middle of the suburbs, after all.
  • Wearing masks to rob a bank is practical, and we do see criminals doing that. But wearing masks to a black-market exchange of contraband isn't: your buyer needs to see you are who you claim to be. If Brice had gone masked to meet with a customer, it would leave the buyer suspicious that A) the "buy" is a sting operation by law enforcement, B) the equipment might be faulty and Brice doesn't want to be found when the buyer wants his money back, or C) the seller might have stolen the gear from Brice, who will show up and demand its return. Moreover, if both buyer and seller see each others' faces, then they're acknowledging that they're both equally complicit in the crime, and will do their fair share to conceal it from the police and other mutual enemies.

Aunt May, I'm just cosplaying

• The ending is humorous, but couldn't Peter tell May he's going to a comic book convention as the web-slinger?
  • He could, but Aunt May has been raising him and will clearly have a finely-tuned bullshit detector. Besides, he looks guilty as hell when she catches him, and she knows he's been sneaking out, so she might not buy "I've somehow gotten a really sweet replica costume."
    • Say it's a sex thing. There is this girl at school who's REALLY into Spider-Man and he's spent way too much money on a replica to do things he'd rather not talk to his aunt about. There you go, there is a reason for the suit, reason for the guilt and more importantly a reason not to ask any follow up questions.
  • You're expecting way too quick, elaborate thinking from Parker here, when he's clearly caught off-guard. We already saw how he reacted the first time he was caught, by Ned, which was to just go, "No I'm not!" and then immediately admit it.
  • Stark said his first Spider suit was worth millions of dollars. A lot of that's going to be the internal tech, but chances are if May spends more than five seconds looking at the suit she'll realize it's not something a jobless teenager can piece together.
  • Cosplaying ought to have been a very plausible excuse. Because really, which scenario is more likely: "my nephew Peter Parker is dressing up as the Spiderman" or "my nephew Peter Parker is the Spiderman"? If anything, it should be surprising that Aunt May jumped to the latter conclusion.
  • In a vacuum, sure. But look at everything else: 1. May knows Peter's been sneaking out. 2. May knows that Peter has been closely associating with Tony Stark, AKA Iron Man. 3. Iron Man was just seen, like, yesterday publicly in Spider-Man's company. On the day that Peter was missing for hours. 4. Spider-Man just happened to show up in Washington, D.C., while Peter was also in Washington, D.C., and not only that, just happens to save his class. May isn't stupid, and Peter has given her a lot of dots to connect.

Web Fluid formula

• What do you actually get if you try following this instructions◊?
  • Actual web fluid, it seems like. Although of course you need Super-Strength to be able to use it.

"I thought this was the Anti-Gravity Gun"

• That line, as well as Vulture's initial surprise at killing Brice just didn't make any sense to me, considering they were talking beforehand about Brice knowing too much and Toomes being unable to afford having him tell anybody about their criminal enterprise. It would've made sense for Toomes to kill him outright. What exactly was he gonna do, just fly him up in the air to scare him a little?
  • Disney probably didn't want Toomes to be a ruthless killer. Makes me think Vulture killed him on purpose, and they later decided to add that line in there to make him less evil.
  • "Scare him" is probably exactly what he intended. Up until that point, Toomes hasn't been shown trying to kill anyone outright — it would make plenty of sense for him to threaten him.
  • He might not have intended to kill him, but it also served to show he wasn't all that bothered about doing it accidentally, either.

Spider-man's eyes being artificial

• You know how characters in cartoons blink their eyes through their masks? I thought that was the case in this film, similar to Ryan Reynold's Deadpool. If his blinking eyes are artificial, why would Tony add that in his suit? What purpose would it serve in battle besides giving Peter facial expressions?
  • Peter's original, home-made suit also had that, in a cruder fashion. In Civil War he mentions that when he's "on" as Spider-Man, his senses ratchet up, so he has them to filter light down as needed so he's not overwhelmed. Sort of like the actual irises in your eyeball do.

Fire on the beach

• At the end, when Happy and various other people are walking around amid the wreckage of the plane, there are little fires burning everywhere... on a beach. With sand all around, which just happens to be one of the best things for putting out fires. Why does no one think to kick some sand on the flames to smother them?
  • Hey, give them some credit. I didn't know that, so maybe the writers or characters didn't as well.
  • Possibly their biggest concern is figuring out what happened, and they'll kick out the fires afterwards.

Camera quality

• Is there any real reason Peter Parker chose to film his video diary during the Civil War in 4:3?

Tony didn't know already?

• When Peter inadvertently botches the sting operation and Tony gets pissed comes to confiscate the suit with him acting shocked and betrayed that Peter hacked the suit to mess around with it... But a few scenes earlier Tony congratulates Peter for saving the Washington Monument when a cursory glance at news footage would've shown Peter hacked the suit to get the gliding function. So why didn't Tony confiscate the suit earlier?
  • Difference is, Peter did fairly well during the Washington thing. It may be that Tony was willing to let the hacking slide as long as Peter shows competence, but he panicked when he saw Peter nearly get himself and lots of others killed on the ferries. Or possibly he was only paying partial attention to the footage and missed the part where Peter was gliding around.

"Who's that new guy?"

• Who IS the new guy that Peter's referring to in Berlin? The only people currently on the field are Tony, Cap, Nat, Rhodey, and T'Challa. The first three are ruled out, since Peter identifies them by name. It's probably not Rhodey, since he's an established Avenger and Peter surely knows about him already. This leaves T'Challa as the most likely candidate... except he and Peter are on the same team. So if he's the one, this raises another question: Did Tony not bother to acquaint them with each other before the big fight? Sure, there was a time crunch, and things worked out okay enough in the end, but Tony's apparent failure to at least tell Peter "The black cat-man's on our side" could have been wildly detrimental to teamwork.
  • It's possible that Tony only told him who he knew they were fighting against, while he may have only alluded to T'Challa as being on ally without going into too much detail about his identity. Given that T'Challa was focused on getting Bucky because he thought he killed his father, he probably wasn't in the mood to partake in casual conversation with Peter for him to find out more about him.

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