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** Was Kevin genuinely remorseful at the end, or was he trying to secure an advantage? Does he feel some level of remorse for his crimes, or is he aware that he'll have nowhere to go once he leaves adult prison, and needs to keep Eva on side?
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* TearJerker: Celia's ''entire life'' is one big one.
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** Repeatedly set up and then subverted.

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** %%** Repeatedly set up and then subverted.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: In the book, Celia is terrified of everything in the world, has highly specific sensory issues, spinelessly bends to every one of her friends' and classmates' wishes, and is so afraid of failure that she simply will not answer easy questions, which can read to some modern readers as autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, or a mix of both. These traits are largely left out of the movie, though.

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* QuestionableCasting: Franklin is described as a tall, broad, ruggedly handsome, WASP-y Republican with a shock of thick blonde hair. The movie instead casts character actor Creator/JohnCReilly, who is not the most traditionally handsome actor, is stocky with curly brown hair and looks as Irish-American as his name is.



* WTHCastingAgency: Franklin is described as a tall, broad, ruggedly handsome, WASP-y Republican with a shock of thick blonde hair. The movie instead casts character actor Creator/JohnCReilly, who is not the most traditionally handsome actor, is stocky with curly brown hair and looks as Irish-American as his name is.
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* SeparatedAtBirthCasting: Tilda Swinton and Ezra Miller quite convincingly play mother and son. Additionally, although neither actually are of Armenian heritage, many agreed that Miller, as well as the small children who play young Kevin, do somewhat pass as being of Armenian descent.
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** The film adaptation moved the setting from New York State to Connecticut. One year later, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting a school shooting happened in that very state.]]

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** The film adaptation moved the setting from New York State to Connecticut. One year later, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting a school shooting happened in that very state.]]state]].



** Kevin's violent behavior, which culminates in [[spoiler:shooting up his school]], became more discomforting once portrayer Creator/EzraMiller's real-life behavior turned out be [[https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/06/ezra-miller-choking-fan-video/ very]] [[https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_are_better_than_you/after-ezra-millers-arrest-the-matter-got-much-worse.php aggressive]] [[https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/ezra-miller-mocks-authorities-searching-for-them-kb1/ itself]] (and that's not counting arrests for burglary and accusations of grooming).

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** Kevin's violent behavior, which culminates in [[spoiler:shooting up [[spoiler:committing a massacre at his school]], became more discomforting once portrayer Creator/EzraMiller's real-life behavior turned out to be [[https://www.screengeek.net/2020/04/06/ezra-miller-choking-fan-video/ very]] [[https://www.pajiba.com/celebrities_are_better_than_you/after-ezra-millers-arrest-the-matter-got-much-worse.php aggressive]] [[https://insidethemagic.net/2022/06/ezra-miller-mocks-authorities-searching-for-them-kb1/ itself]] (and that's not counting arrests for burglary and accusations of grooming).
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** In a sick way, the ending of the novel itself: Eva spends much of the "present day" sections of the narration lamenting about how lonely she is as the mother of a school shooter with very few people understanding or sympathizing with her. Her visits with her son, once she starts to fight and argue with him and seemingly interact with him in a way that he understands (as opposed to the attempts to be motherly throughout the novel up to this point), cool into kind of a mutual detente built of their mistrust and general distaste for one another. But he begins to open up to her by the end of the novel, even fashioning the coffin for Celia's eye as a gift for her and Eva prepares to welcome him into her home once he's released from prison. Part of it is possibly due to her love for Franklin and respect for his love of family, but also because he is literally the only other person in the world who she might be able to relate to after all; a familial feeling generated not from love, but from their shared history.
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** Kevin having a really nice time right in front of Eva.

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** Kevin [[MasturbationMeansSexualFrustration having a really nice time time]] right in front of Eva.
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** Kevin [[ADateWithRosiePalms having a really nice time]] right in front of Eva.

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** Kevin [[ADateWithRosiePalms having a really nice time]] time right in front of Eva.
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* JerkassWoobie:

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* JerkassWoobie: All of the Khatchadourian family qualifies, except Celia.
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That reads like character bashing and justifying edits. Besides, Eva had Kevinbecause her husband wanted kids more than she did


** It's downplayed in the movie, but essentially the ''whole plot'' could have been avoided if Eva hadn't decided ''very'' spontaneously that she wanted a child, something she seemingly changed her mind about and became far less sure of ''before she and Franklin even conceived Kevin.'' Many of the things she bemoans before Kevin is born are shallow, silly things, like the fact that children are boring, make your life less fun and ruin your body. It's hard to feel ''that'' sorry for Eva when she practically decides from conception that she finds motherhood tiresome, especially because it was her who pushed to have a child. And ''that's'' what she's complaining about before Kevin even really becomes, well... Kevin.
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Eva's reaction seems to be acknowledge that Franklin is right rather than being unable to come up with a counterargument. So I moved it to main page as Dumbass Has A Point


* StrawmanHasAPoint: Despite Franklin's constant siding with Kevin over any evidence, when Eva tells him she wants another child he isn't wrong when he points out that she's an incredibly cold mother towards Kevin and interprets everything he does to be motivated out of spite towards her. Eva notably has no rebuttal to this and has to resort to getting pregnant in secret.
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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Albeit unintentionally funny, but there’s a few here and there.
** Immediately after Kevin gets his diaper changed (at the age of 6), he looks at his mom with the coldest expression, and shits his pants again as if on cue! It's almost no wonder Eva tossed him hard enough to break his arm!
** How Eva handles the Jehova's Witnesses:
--->'''Jehova's Witness #2:''' Do you know where you're spending the afterlife?
--->'''Eva:''' ''Ohhh'', yes -- I ''do'', as a matter of fact. [[DespairEventHorizon I'm going straight to hell.]] Eternal damnation, [[TheyJustDontGetIt whole bit]]. [[DeadpanSnarker Thank you for asking.]]
** When Eva and Franklin look for Celia's Guinea pig Mr. Snuffles Franklin immediately assumes the worst:
---> '''Franklin:''' Dearly beloved, we are gathered here to mourn Mr. Snuffles (Eva drags him down under the couch, both trying to hold in their laughter) who was, who was snuffed out, tragically early!
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* MemeticMutation: After Ezra Miller's repeated scrapes with the law started making headlines, people started jokingly calling the film "We Need To Talk About Ezra", or joking that "it turns out ''We Need to Talk About Kevin'' was a documentary this whole time!"

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* MemeticMutation: After Ezra Miller's repeated scrapes with the law started making headlines, headlines in 2022, people started jokingly calling the film "We Need To Talk About Ezra", or joking that "it turns out ''We Need to Talk About Kevin'' was a documentary this whole time!"
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** One could be forgiven for assuming that the movie came out after the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings Isla Vista killings]], given the similarities between Kevin and Elliot Rodger.
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* MemeticMutation: After Ezra Miller's repeated scrapes with the law started making headlines, people started jokingly calling the film "We Need To Talk About Ezra".

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* MemeticMutation: After Ezra Miller's repeated scrapes with the law started making headlines, people started jokingly calling the film "We Need To Talk About Ezra".Ezra", or joking that "it turns out ''We Need to Talk About Kevin'' was a documentary this whole time!"
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* WTHCastingAgency: Franklin is described as a tall, broad, ruggedly handsome, WASP-y Republican with a shock of thick blonde hair. The movie instead casts character actor John C. Reilly, who is not the most traditionally handsome actor, is stocky with curly brown hair and looks as Irish-American as his name is.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Franklin is described as a tall, broad, ruggedly handsome, WASP-y Republican with a shock of thick blonde hair. The movie instead casts character actor John C. Reilly, Creator/JohnCReilly, who is not the most traditionally handsome actor, is stocky with curly brown hair and looks as Irish-American as his name is.

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