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* CultClassic
** Why is CultClassic still in the YMMV after all that had happened with this game lately is a big surprise to this trooper.
*** Because [[VocalMinority the people who think it's a "classic" in any definition of the term]] intentionally [[FanMyopia forget that everyone else saw it as a buggy game that, because of said bugs and delays, completely and utterly flopped]].
*** What "everyone else"? Everyone is playing the game, including internet celebrities, years after the game was ignored due to being buggy as hell. Now, with the patches and the popularity, it just seems that every argument against this game that you pointed out in your edit is a fallacy. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths.

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* CultClassic
** Why is CultClassic still in the YMMV after all that had happened with this game lately is a big surprise to this trooper.
*** Because [[VocalMinority the people who think it's a "classic" in any definition
CultClassic: The bugginess of the term]] intentionally [[FanMyopia forget that everyone else saw it as a buggy game that, because of said bugs and delays, completely and utterly flopped]].
*** What "everyone else"? Everyone is playing the game, including internet celebrities, years after
the game as it was ignored due to being buggy as hell. Now, with the patches and the originally released put a dent in its popularity, it just seems that every argument against this game that you pointed out but a dedicated fanbase has grown over the years, especially in your edit is a fallacy. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths. light of recent patches.
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** There are two major unofficial patches, and they serve different purposes. They generated some heated debate about their various merits and originality. These patches provoked a lot of FanDumb, including flame wars, a war on TheOtherWiki, and some people taking their balls and going home. Heck, this edit will probably be removed pretty quickly.

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** There are two major unofficial patches, and they serve different purposes. They generated some heated debate about their various merits and originality. These patches provoked a lot of FanDumb, including flame wars, a war on TheOtherWiki, and some people taking their balls and going home. Heck, this edit will probably be removed pretty quickly.



** The Thaumaturgy Discipline "Blood Purge" from the Tremere affect almost all enemies, including most bosses. It costs only two points of blood to use and leaves them puking blood while you can whale on them with your melee weapon or firearms. And, once they recover, you can just activate it again and leave them puking again to repeat the process.

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** The Thaumaturgy Discipline "Blood Purge" from the Tremere affect almost all enemies, including most bosses. It costs only two points of blood to use and leaves them puking blood while you can whale wail on them with your melee weapon or firearms. And, once they recover, you can just activate it again and leave them puking again to repeat the process.
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* TooDumbToLive: None of the factions can really match the utter foolishness of the Society of Leopold. Not only do their 'field agents' dress like your typical cliche WoD character ( Literally a trenchcoat and a katana), making them stand out like sore thumbs, their base is littered with ammocrates not seen in any other base (not even the sabbat) ripe for anyone to shoot everybody to hogh heaven. The actions of the hunters are also so stupid, it gets lampshaded. But the best example of their foolishness has to be their laser trip-wires, while one might expect the lasers to simply warn the hunters, instead, they are explosive rigged. And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)? Of course, it could just be LawOfConservationOfDetail and the player character actually does something more complicated to change the settings than pick one in a menu.

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* TooDumbToLive: None of the factions can really match the utter foolishness of the Society of Leopold. Not only do their 'field agents' dress like your typical cliche WoD [[WorldOfDarkness WoD]] character ( Literally a trenchcoat and a katana), making them stand out like sore thumbs, their base is littered with ammocrates not seen in any other base (not even the sabbat) ripe for anyone to shoot everybody to hogh heaven. The actions of the hunters are also so stupid, it gets lampshaded. But the best example of their foolishness has to be their laser trip-wires, while one might expect the lasers to simply warn the hunters, instead, they are explosive rigged. And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)? Of course, it could just be LawOfConservationOfDetail and the player character actually does something more complicated to change the settings than pick one in a menu.
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*** That's going into "the quality of the game is based on the graphics" territory. Just sayin'

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*** That's going into "the quality of What "everyone else"? Everyone is playing the game, including internet celebrities, years after the game is based on was ignored due to being buggy as hell. Now, with the graphics" territory. Just sayin' patches and the popularity, it just seems that every argument against this game that you pointed out in your edit is a fallacy. Don’t put words in other people’s mouths.
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*** He's the single most powerful on the planet, besides the travelling issue, he could also very easily possess someone from halfways across the world and maintain it for long periods of time.

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*** He's the single most powerful vampire on the planet, besides the travelling issue, he could also very easily possess someone from halfways across the world and maintain it for long periods of time.

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--->"The dead cannot live, but they can survive. Understand?"



--->"The dead cannot live, but they can survive. Understand?"
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** Reuniting E and Lily is frigging adorable.
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*** That's going into "the quality of the game is based on the graphics" territory. Just sayin'


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* FridgeBrilliance: According to [[AllThereInTheManual the tabletop Guide to the Anarchs sourcebook]], published a couple years before Bloodlines, "Nines" is the name of a popular Anarch game that resembles paintball + tag + live ammunition.
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*** Because [[VocalMinority the people who think it's a "classic" in any definition of the term]] intentionally [[FanMyopia forget that everyone else saw it as a buggy game that, because of said bugs and delays, completely and utterly flopped]].
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** Why is CultClassic still in the YMMV after all that had happened with this game lately is a big surprise to this trooper.


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* GrandmaWhatMassiveHotnessYouHave: Beckett and Strauss sometimes get this treatment by the fandom.
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*** This troper found that killing Andrei wasn't a job, but a PRIVELAGE. As I proceded through his lair, I just kept getting angrier and angrier at the atrocities he's made from innocents.
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*** He's the single most powerful on the planet, besides the travelling issue, he could also very easily possess someone from halfways across the world and maintain it for long periods of time.
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*** Actually Brother Kanker pretty much believes in Vick's phylosophy, it's just Jezebel who seems to be doing it for kicks.

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*** Actually Brother Kanker pretty much believes in Vick's phylosophy, philosophy, it's just Jezebel who seems to be doing it for kicks.

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* TooDumbToLive: None of the factions can really match the utter foolishness of the Society of Leopold. Not only do their 'field agents' dress like your typical cliche WoD character ( Literally a trenchcoat and a katana), making them stand out like sore thumbs, their base is littered with ammocrates not seen in any other base (not even the sabbat) ripe for anyone to shoot everybody to hogh heaven. The actions of the hunters are also so stupid, it gets lampshaded. But the best example of their foolishness has to be their laser trip-wires, while one might expect the lasers to simply warn the hunters, instead, they are explosive rigged. This Troper had a blast letting hunters run into their own wires and explode.
** And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)? Of course, it could just be LawOfConservationOfDetail and the player character actually does something more complicated to change the settings than pick one in a menu.

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* TooDumbToLive: None of the factions can really match the utter foolishness of the Society of Leopold. Not only do their 'field agents' dress like your typical cliche WoD character ( Literally a trenchcoat and a katana), making them stand out like sore thumbs, their base is littered with ammocrates not seen in any other base (not even the sabbat) ripe for anyone to shoot everybody to hogh heaven. The actions of the hunters are also so stupid, it gets lampshaded. But the best example of their foolishness has to be their laser trip-wires, while one might expect the lasers to simply warn the hunters, instead, they are explosive rigged. This Troper had a blast letting hunters run into their own wires and explode.
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And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)? Of course, it could just be LawOfConservationOfDetail and the player character actually does something more complicated to change the settings than pick one in a menu.



** Even the other male Nosferatu don't look horrible, with a hood they could easily live in LA. The male PC Nosferatu is arguably the ugliest of them. However, the FEMALE Nosferatu (PC or NPC) are utter NightmareFuel.

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** Even the other male Nosferatu don't look horrible, with a hood they could easily live in LA. The male PC Nosferatu is arguably the ugliest of them. However, the FEMALE Nosferatu (PC or NPC) are utter NightmareFuel.HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
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* GoodBadBugs: You can get duplicates of skill books by selling them to a vendor and buying them back. Most books can raise your skills two levels, but only one at a time.
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** And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)?

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** And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)?temperature)? Of course, it could just be LawOfConservationOfDetail and the player character actually does something more complicated to change the settings than pick one in a menu.
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** And why would people fighting against vampires allow their own laser tripwires to be easily toggled between being triggered by vampires (room temperature) and humans (body temperature)?
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** Which raises the question of how ugly he must have been before he was turned.
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*** Even without Obfuscate if you managed to persuade the first guard but screw up (i.e. take too long and the guard is back at his post) you can just run right by him, pistols aren't going to drop you that fast and you can still avoid killing anyone.

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* HilariousInHindsight: You can tell E after [[spoiler: rescuing Lilly]] "Vampires in love, [[Literature/{{Twilight}} you two make a great airport paperback]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: You can tell E after [[spoiler: rescuing Lilly]] "Vampires in love, [[Literature/{{Twilight}} you two make a great airport paperback]]paperback]]"
** One radio commercial is for a "Frankenstein" game parodying ''[=VtM=]: Bloodlines'' (down to being created by Troika themselves!). One of the gamelines in the NewWorldOfDarkness is PrometheanTheCreated, which is, at its most basic, ''exactly'' such a thing.
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* HarsherInHindsight: If you look on Simon Milligan's computer when you come to deal with him for Pisha, you discover that they were planning on shooting the next episode in the zombie-filled graveyard in Hollywood.
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* TooDumbToLive: None of the factions can really match the utter foolishness of the Society of Leopold. Not only do their 'field agents' dress like your typical cliche WoD character ( Literally a trenchcoat and a katana), making them stand out like sore thumbs, their base is littered with ammocrates not seen in any other base (not even the sabbat) ripe for anyone to shoot everybody to hogh heaven. The actions of the hunters are also so stupid, it gets lampshaded. But the best example of their foolishness has to be their laser trip-wires, while one might expect the lasers to simply warn the hunters, instead, they are explosive rigged. This Troper had a blast letting hunters run into their own wires and explode.
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** Your first target in the bounty hunter sidequest chain, Simon Gimble, is a psycopathic MadDoctor who abducts and murders innocent men, women and children, then hacks their limbs up in order to fufil his deranged amputation fetish.

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** Your first target in the bounty hunter sidequest chain, Simon Stanley Gimble, is a psycopathic MadDoctor who abducts and murders innocent men, women and children, then hacks their limbs up in order to fufil his deranged amputation fetish.
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*** Actually Brother Kanker pretty much believes in Vick's phylosophy, it's just Jezebel who seems to be doing it for kicks.
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** Some fans have suggested that Deb, from the radio show, is Kindred. This would [[FridgeBrilliance explain a lot]], since she'd probably be how the Camarilla (or the Anarchs) kept tabs on the various crazies--note her reactions to [[spoiler:Andrei]] and that one ConspiracyTheorist who [[CassandraTruth manages to figure everything out]].


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** There are two major unofficial patches, and they serve different purposes. They generated some heated debate about their various merits and originality. These patches provoked a lot of FanDumb, including flame wars, a war on TheOtherWiki, and some people taking their balls and going home. Heck, this edit will probably be removed pretty quickly.
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* CompleteMonster: Quite a few, which is unsurprising given [[OldWorldOfDarkness the setting]].
** Andrei is the leader of [[AlwaysChaoticEvil the Sabbat]], so obviously he's bad news. But its not until you reach his lair and [[BodyHorror find out what he's been up to]] that it truly sinks in how depraved he is.
** Your first target in the bounty hunter sidequest chain, Simon Gimble, is a psycopathic MadDoctor who abducts and murders innocent men, women and children, then hacks their limbs up in order to fufil his deranged amputation fetish.
** The Plaguebearers are a sect of vampires obsessed with death and disease, and plot to spread a deadly plague throughout LA through use of the city's bums and prostitutes, all ForTheEvulz. While the leader of the sect, Bishop Vick, arguably has a FreudianExcuse, the other two higher ups you fight have no such excuse and are spreading the plague purely for their twisted amusement.
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* HilariousInHindsight: You can tell E after [[spoiler: rescuing Lilly]] "Vampires in love, [[{{Twilight}} you two make a great airport paperback]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: You can tell E after [[spoiler: rescuing Lilly]] "Vampires in love, [[{{Twilight}} [[Literature/{{Twilight}} you two make a great airport paperback]]
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* {{Wangst}}: Mocked; when switching from the Camarilla to the Anarchs, you can tell Damsel, "[[EmoTeen I hate my parents and I want a divorce.]]"

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* {{Wangst}}: Mocked; when switching from the Camarilla to the Anarchs, you can tell Damsel, "[[EmoTeen I hate my parents and I want a divorce.]]"]]"
* XenSyndrome: The game is a very complex, ambitious and non-linear action/RPG with an intriguing, atmospheric story and multiple ways to solve the majority of the quests... until its last act, in which it drops the RPG part and becomes a somewhat hack-fest against waves and waves of enemies and obnoxious boss battles. In fact, while it is perfectly possible to complete most of the game with a non combat oriented character who focuses on - say - stealth or diplomacy but isn't particularly good with guns and swords, in the last chapters such character [[NintendoHard will probably get his/her ass kicked]].
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* HilariousInHindsight: You can tell E after [[spoiler: rescuing Lilly]] "Vampires in love, [[{{Twilight}} you two make a great airport paperback]]
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* ScrappyLevel: [[DownTheDrain Friggin' sewers...]]
** The museum level as well. It's starts off rather simple until you get to the lower levels. Now you've got cameras that sound alarms if you get caught in their paths. You can disable the cameras by using the computer in the security booth, but there's a guard inside. If you don't have any Disciplines to incapacitate him without killing him, you're going to have a hell of a time trying to manuever around the cameras and the guards patrolling the area.
** Also the Elizabeth Dane if you're not a Nosferatu or a Malkavian (hence gifted with Obfuscate). Sure, you can still massacre anyone, but you get penalized.
*** The Dane is not so bad if you are halfway decent in Persuasion and Hacking (which you should be anyway). You can persuade the first guard to give you the police report and call away another guard, then you just need to sneak into the cabin, hack the doors and the cameras, take the ledger and off you go. Without even coming close to another guard.

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