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* IdiotBall:
** Mary's plan to infiltrate Redwood with a false business proposition for Buck. She's utterly unmoved by the fact that she's a well-known former associate of Nat Love, the man who's been hunting down Buck for years.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd have Reeves (a famous lawman that Buck, having just been pardoned and ostensibly retired from crime, wouldn't want to get in conflict with), Cuffee (someone completely unknown by the gang that can claim to be a messenger for literally anyone), or one of Mary's many other employees (given that they have no reason to rush at this point and can afford to get more backup) make the offer.\\
'''Instead''': Mary goes alone, even bringing up her past with Nat Love's gang and [[SayingTooMuch her knowledge]] of the recent Crimson Hood robbery (making the gang even more suspicious).\\
'''The Result''': Buck concludes in seconds that she's working with Nat Love (a.k.a. the man who wants him dead and that's known for StealingFromThieves). Rufus responds by taking her prisoner, having her tortured, forcing the heroes to come to save her (and give up the element of surprise), taking Nat prisoner, and having Nat tortured as well.
** While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
** Mary's plan to infiltrate Redwood with a false business proposition for Buck. She's utterly unmoved by the fact that she's a well-known former associate of Nat Love, the man who's been hunting down Buck for years.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd have Reeves (a famous lawman that Buck, having just been pardoned and ostensibly retired from crime, wouldn't want to get in conflict with), Cuffee (someone completely unknown by the gang that can claim to be a messenger for literally anyone), or one of Mary's many other employees (given that they have no reason to rush at this point and can afford to get more backup) make the offer.\\
'''Instead''': Mary goes alone, even bringing up her past with Nat Love's gang and [[SayingTooMuch her knowledge]] of the recent Crimson Hood robbery (making the gang even more suspicious).\\
'''The Result''': Buck concludes in seconds that she's working with Nat Love (a.k.a. the man who wants him dead and that's known for StealingFromThieves). Rufus responds by taking her prisoner, having her tortured, forcing the heroes to come to save her (and give up the element of surprise), taking Nat prisoner, and having Nat tortured as well.
** While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Most of the main antagonists have gotten this treatment as Buck, Trudy, and Bill's [[EvilIsCool charisma]], badassery, [[EvilIsSexy attractiveness]], and sympathetic motivations make them compelling enough for many to overlook or justify the amount of innocent blood they've spilled.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Most of the main antagonists have gotten this treatment as Buck, Trudy, and Bill's [[EvilIsCool charisma]], badassery, [[EvilIsSexy attractiveness]], attractiveness, and sympathetic motivations make them compelling enough for many to overlook or justify the amount of innocent blood they've spilled.
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* UnfortunateImplications: There's been a good amount of [[https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/netflix-zazie-beetz-stagecoach-mary/ argument over]] the casting of the light-skinned Creator/ZazieBeetz as Stagecoach Mary, specifically arguments that [[ButNotTooBlack colorism]] is in play since pictures of the actual Mary show that she was dark-skinned. In doing so, [[https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/11/10701439/netflix-the-harder-they-fall-stagecoach-mary-casting-controversy comparisons]] have been made to the infamous casting of Creator/ZoeSaldana as Music/NinaSimone, while Hollywood's tendency to [[https://www.yahoo.com/now/understand-privilege-zazie-beetz-explains-143000770.html?guccounter=1 avoid casting]] [[LightGirlDarkBoy dark-skinned women]] as love interests has been criticized.
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* EndingFatigue: Some fans of the film have argued that it runs about 30 minutes longer than needed. In particular, the bank robbery is pointed to as an [[IdiotPlot unneeded detour]] that ended up AllForNothing (since the heroes used dynamite to blow up the bags before the villains even knew their contents). All things considered, everything between the group's first and second arrival at Redwood could have been easily skipped.
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* EndingFatigue: Some fans of the film have argued that it runs about 30 minutes longer than needed. In particular, the bank robbery is pointed to as an [[IdiotPlot unneeded detour]] detour that ended up AllForNothing (since the heroes used dynamite to blow up the bags before the villains even knew their contents). All things considered, everything between the group's first and second arrival at Redwood could have been easily skipped.
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Apparently What An Idiot is flame bait now
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* IdiotBall:
** Mary's plan to infiltrate Redwood with a false business proposition for Buck. She's utterly unmoved by the fact that she's a well-known former associate of Nat Love, the man who's been hunting down Buck for years.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd have Reeves (a famous lawman that Buck, having just been pardoned and ostensibly retired from crime, wouldn't want to get in conflict with), Cuffee (someone completely unknown by the gang that can claim to be a messenger for literally anyone), or one of Mary's many other employees (given that they have no reason to rush at this point and can afford to get more backup) make the offer.\\
'''Instead''': Mary goes alone, even bringing up her past with Nat Love's gang and [[SayingTooMuch her knowledge]] of the recent Crimson Hood robbery (making the gang even more suspicious).\\
'''The Result''': Buck concludes in seconds that she's working with Nat Love (a.k.a. the man who wants him dead and that's known for StealingFromThieves). Rufus responds by taking her prisoner, having her tortured, forcing the heroes to come to save her (and give up the element of surprise), taking Nat prisoner, and having Nat tortured as well.
** While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
** Mary's plan to infiltrate Redwood with a false business proposition for Buck. She's utterly unmoved by the fact that she's a well-known former associate of Nat Love, the man who's been hunting down Buck for years.\\
'''You'd Expect''': They'd have Reeves (a famous lawman that Buck, having just been pardoned and ostensibly retired from crime, wouldn't want to get in conflict with), Cuffee (someone completely unknown by the gang that can claim to be a messenger for literally anyone), or one of Mary's many other employees (given that they have no reason to rush at this point and can afford to get more backup) make the offer.\\
'''Instead''': Mary goes alone, even bringing up her past with Nat Love's gang and [[SayingTooMuch her knowledge]] of the recent Crimson Hood robbery (making the gang even more suspicious).\\
'''The Result''': Buck concludes in seconds that she's working with Nat Love (a.k.a. the man who wants him dead and that's known for StealingFromThieves). Rufus responds by taking her prisoner, having her tortured, forcing the heroes to come to save her (and give up the element of surprise), taking Nat prisoner, and having Nat tortured as well.
** While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
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** [[BigBad Rufus Buck]] is an outlaw and Nat Love's ArchEnemy. Seeking vengeance after his father abused him and killed his mother, Buck spent several years hunting down his father, and successfully murdered him and Nat's mother, while scarring Nat so he'd remember the boy was when he grew older. Years later, Buck and his gang use their resources to build Redwood City, whilst also threatening its citizens if they didn't pay taxes or went against their laws. After Buck is broken out of jail and approached by Stagecoach Mary, Buck has her imprisoned, knowing that Nat is secretly trying to dismantle his operation. He later forces Nat to steal $35,000 from a bank, despite knowing it'll raise his notoriety. After Buck's plans are foiled and Nat confronts Buck, Buck refuses to fight him, instead choosing to reveal that they're half siblings and that Buck's plan to let Nat grow up to become an outlaw [[TheBadGuyWins worked exactly as he planned]].
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** [[BigBad Rufus Buck]] is an outlaw and Nat Love's ArchEnemy. Seeking vengeance after his father abused him and killed his mother, Buck spent several years hunting down his father, and successfully murdered him and Nat's mother, while scarring Nat so he'd remember the boy was when he grew older. Years later, Buck and his gang use their resources to build Redwood City, whilst also threatening its citizens if they didn't pay taxes or went against their laws. After Buck is broken out of jail and approached by Stagecoach Mary, Buck has her imprisoned, knowing that Nat is secretly trying to dismantle his operation. He later forces Nat to steal $35,000 from a bank, despite knowing it'll raise his notoriety. After Buck's plans are foiled and Nat confronts Buck, Buck refuses to fight him, instead choosing to reveal that they're half siblings half-siblings and that Buck's plan to let Nat grow up to become an outlaw [[TheBadGuyWins worked exactly as he planned]].
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* WhatAnIdiot: While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
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* MagnificentBastard:
** [[AntiHero Nathaniel "Nat" Love]] is an outlaw and the leader of a small band of cowboys who steal from other outlaws. Swearing revenge against Rufus Buck after he killed his parents as a child, Nat spends years gradually killing off members of Buck's gang whilst forming his own. After stealing $25,000 from Buck's cronies and discovering that Buck will soon be broken out of prison, Nat opts to use the opportunity to take out Buck himself. When his lover, Stagecoach Mary, gets captured by Buck, Nat steals $35,000 from a bank to secure her safety, threatening to blow up all the money with dynamite in case Mary isn't freed. When a member of his gang is killed during a standoff, Nat destroys all the money in front of Buck, successfully rescues Mary, and finally avenges his parents' murders by hunting down and killing Buck.
** [[BigBad Rufus Buck]] is an outlaw and Nat Love's ArchEnemy. Seeking vengeance after his father abused him and killed his mother, Buck spent several years hunting down his father, and successfully murdered him and Nat's mother, while scarring Nat so he'd remember the boy was when he grew older. Years later, Buck and his gang use their resources to build Redwood City, whilst also threatening its citizens if they didn't pay taxes or went against their laws. After Buck is broken out of jail and approached by Stagecoach Mary, Buck has her imprisoned, knowing that Nat is secretly trying to dismantle his operation. He later forces Nat to steal $35,000 from a bank, despite knowing it'll raise his notoriety. After Buck's plans are foiled and Nat confronts Buck, Buck refuses to fight him, instead choosing to reveal that they're half siblings and that Buck's plan to let Nat grow up to become an outlaw [[TheBadGuyWins worked exactly as he planned]].
** [[DarkActionGirl Trudy Smith]] is one of Rufus Buck's CoDragons. A [[NoNonsenseNemesis no-nonsense]] but calm outlaw, Trudy frequently commits violence against anyone who opposes her or her companions. While assisting [[AffablyEvil Cherokee Bill]] with breaking out Buck from a train, she wounds some of the soldiers on the train and assists Bill with killing the rest. She later helps Buck with his schemes to get more money for Redwood City and kidnaps and almost kills Stagecoach Mary. When Nat Love's gang and Buck's cronies engage in a shootout after Nat blows up Buck's money, Trudy lures Mary into an abandoned building and nearly beats her to death.
** [[AntiHero Nathaniel "Nat" Love]] is an outlaw and the leader of a small band of cowboys who steal from other outlaws. Swearing revenge against Rufus Buck after he killed his parents as a child, Nat spends years gradually killing off members of Buck's gang whilst forming his own. After stealing $25,000 from Buck's cronies and discovering that Buck will soon be broken out of prison, Nat opts to use the opportunity to take out Buck himself. When his lover, Stagecoach Mary, gets captured by Buck, Nat steals $35,000 from a bank to secure her safety, threatening to blow up all the money with dynamite in case Mary isn't freed. When a member of his gang is killed during a standoff, Nat destroys all the money in front of Buck, successfully rescues Mary, and finally avenges his parents' murders by hunting down and killing Buck.
** [[BigBad Rufus Buck]] is an outlaw and Nat Love's ArchEnemy. Seeking vengeance after his father abused him and killed his mother, Buck spent several years hunting down his father, and successfully murdered him and Nat's mother, while scarring Nat so he'd remember the boy was when he grew older. Years later, Buck and his gang use their resources to build Redwood City, whilst also threatening its citizens if they didn't pay taxes or went against their laws. After Buck is broken out of jail and approached by Stagecoach Mary, Buck has her imprisoned, knowing that Nat is secretly trying to dismantle his operation. He later forces Nat to steal $35,000 from a bank, despite knowing it'll raise his notoriety. After Buck's plans are foiled and Nat confronts Buck, Buck refuses to fight him, instead choosing to reveal that they're half siblings and that Buck's plan to let Nat grow up to become an outlaw [[TheBadGuyWins worked exactly as he planned]].
** [[DarkActionGirl Trudy Smith]] is one of Rufus Buck's CoDragons. A [[NoNonsenseNemesis no-nonsense]] but calm outlaw, Trudy frequently commits violence against anyone who opposes her or her companions. While assisting [[AffablyEvil Cherokee Bill]] with breaking out Buck from a train, she wounds some of the soldiers on the train and assists Bill with killing the rest. She later helps Buck with his schemes to get more money for Redwood City and kidnaps and almost kills Stagecoach Mary. When Nat Love's gang and Buck's cronies engage in a shootout after Nat blows up Buck's money, Trudy lures Mary into an abandoned building and nearly beats her to death.
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* LGBTFanbase: The movie received a fair amount of support from watchers that interpreted Cuffee as a trans man or ButchLesbian. Details pointed to include Cuffee casting away their birth name, being adamantly against having to dress femininely for the bank robbery, and seemingly having a BodyguardCrush on Stagecoach Mary.
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* LGBTFanbase: The movie received a fair amount of support from watchers that interpreted Cuffee [[TransAudienceInterpretation as a trans man man]] or ButchLesbian. Details pointed to include Cuffee casting away their birth name, being adamantly against having to dress femininely for the bank robbery, and seemingly having a BodyguardCrush on Stagecoach Mary.
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* UnfortunateImplications: There's been a good amount of [[https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/netflix-zazie-beetz-stagecoach-mary/ argument over]] the casting of the light-skinned Creator/ZazieBeetz as Stagecoach Mary, specifically arguments that [[ButNotTooBlack colorism]] is in play since pictures of the actual Mary show that she was dark-skinned. In doing so, [[https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2021/11/10701439/netflix-the-harder-they-fall-stagecoach-mary-casting-controversy comparisons]] have been made to the infamous casting of Creator/ZoeSaldana as Music/NinaSimone, while Hollywood's tendency to [[https://www.yahoo.com/now/understand-privilege-zazie-beetz-explains-143000770.html?guccounter=1 avoid casting]] [[LightGirlDarkBoy dark-skinned women]] as love interests has been criticized.
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Requires a citation. Plus half the entry is really off topic anyway.
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* UnfortunateImplications: There's been a good amount of critique over the casting of the light-skinned Creator/ZazieBeetz as Stagecoach Mary, specifically arguments that [[ButNotTooBlack colorism]] is in play since pictures of the actual Mary show that she was dark-skinned. In doing so, comparisons have been made to the infamous casting of Creator/ZoeSaldana as Music/NinaSimone, while Hollywood's tendency to avoid casting [[LightGirlDarkBoy dark-skinned women]] as love interests has been criticized.
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'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
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'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.early.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Most of the main antagonists have gotten this treatment as Buck, Trudy, and Bill's [[EvilIsCool charisma]], badassery, [[EvilIsSexy attractiveness]], and sympathetic motivations make them compelling enough for many to overlook or justify the amount of innocent blood they've spilled.
* EndingFatigue: Some fans of the film have argued that it runs about 30 minutes longer than needed. In particular, the bank robbery is pointed to as an [[IdiotPlot unneeded detour]] that ended up AllForNothing (since the heroes used dynamite to blow up the bags before the villains even knew their contents). All things considered, everything between the group's first and second arrival at Redwood could have been easily skipped.
* LGBTFanbase: The movie received a fair amount of support from watchers that interpreted Cuffee as a trans man or ButchLesbian. Details pointed to include Cuffee casting away their birth name, being adamantly against having to dress femininely for the bank robbery, and seemingly having a BodyguardCrush on Stagecoach Mary.
* UnfortunateImplications: There's been a good amount of critique over the casting of the light-skinned Creator/ZazieBeetz as Stagecoach Mary, specifically arguments that [[ButNotTooBlack colorism]] is in play since pictures of the actual Mary show that she was dark-skinned. In doing so, comparisons have been made to the infamous casting of Creator/ZoeSaldana as Music/NinaSimone, while Hollywood's tendency to avoid casting [[LightGirlDarkBoy dark-skinned women]] as love interests has been criticized.
* WhatAnIdiot: While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
* EndingFatigue: Some fans of the film have argued that it runs about 30 minutes longer than needed. In particular, the bank robbery is pointed to as an [[IdiotPlot unneeded detour]] that ended up AllForNothing (since the heroes used dynamite to blow up the bags before the villains even knew their contents). All things considered, everything between the group's first and second arrival at Redwood could have been easily skipped.
* LGBTFanbase: The movie received a fair amount of support from watchers that interpreted Cuffee as a trans man or ButchLesbian. Details pointed to include Cuffee casting away their birth name, being adamantly against having to dress femininely for the bank robbery, and seemingly having a BodyguardCrush on Stagecoach Mary.
* UnfortunateImplications: There's been a good amount of critique over the casting of the light-skinned Creator/ZazieBeetz as Stagecoach Mary, specifically arguments that [[ButNotTooBlack colorism]] is in play since pictures of the actual Mary show that she was dark-skinned. In doing so, comparisons have been made to the infamous casting of Creator/ZoeSaldana as Music/NinaSimone, while Hollywood's tendency to avoid casting [[LightGirlDarkBoy dark-skinned women]] as love interests has been criticized.
* WhatAnIdiot: While Jim insisting on a duel with Cherokee Bill is justified given the opportunity, the way he goes about it almost enters TooDumbToLive territory. Specifically, Jim is already aware that Bill's reputation[[labelnote:*]]There are rumours that Cherokee Bill's "opponents ain't got time to draw before they got two in their back"[[/labelnote]], comments[[labelnote:*]]Bill says to Jim's face that only "who's alive and who's dead" really matters[[/labelnote]], and actions[[labelnote:*]]Jim had just seen C.B. fixing to shoot Nat in the back 30 seconds beforehand[[/labelnote]] indicate an unwillingness to duel (at least not fairly).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' When Cherokee Bill requests a countdown from five, that Jim would keep his eyes on his untrustworthy enemy while counting, with hands steady and gun ready (especially since Jim was previously confident that he would win even if Bill drew first). Alternatively, that Jim would insist on a typical standoff given that was the arrangement he offered the night before.\\
'''Instead:''' Jim slowly empties his gun ''as'' he counts, loading his special MarkedBullet, repeatedly turning to look at his revolver, and even taking the time to wink at Cherokee Bill.\\
'''The Result:''' Bill cheats and shoots Jim in the face several seconds early.
