History YMMV / TheFlash2014S2E18VersusZoom

* IdiotPlot: Barry ''finally'' is fast enough to fight Zoom on equal footing and has a plan to beat him. And he does. And ''when'' he does, instead of taking him to the pipeline ASAP, he has a casual conversation with Zoom [[BondVillainStupidity that would make Blofeld proud]]. Zoom uses this to escape, but before he does, he states that "family is a weakness". Barry doesn't take the hint; instead of going to his house where Zoom obviously went, he searches the city, giving Zoom enough time to capture Wally, to use him as a bargaining chip to [[HostageForMacguffin exchange for Barry's speed]]. When Vibe find out the exact location of both Wally AND Zoom, they agree to Zoom's deal rather than trying to rescue Wally. Zoom then grabs the IdiotBall and releases Wally before Barry's speed is even extracted, leaving himself with no bargaining chip, and yet NO ONE considers double-crossing him. They follow the deal to a T, knowing perfectly well what kind of monster Zoom is and how dangerous he would be with Barry's speed AND that without it they'd have no way to stop it. And after releasing one hostage, Zoom immediately takes another before leaving.

* WhatAnIdiot: There's no good reason given as to why Barry is so insistent on Cisco opening the portal so he can fight Zoom (outside of Barry being mad about getting tricked), especially since Barry knows that Zoom is dying anyway. The safer thing to do would just be to leave the portal closed and just wait for him to die of his speed disease. Their decision to let Zoom come back to Earth-1 ultimately turns out very badly, and gets Barry's speed stolen and a lot of people killed.

* FridgeBrilliance: Given Wally's part in canon, the phrase "Your speed for Wally" can double as subtle foreshadowing.

* WhatAnIdiot: There's no good reason given as to why Barry is so insistent on Cisco opening the portal so he can fight Zoom (outside of Barry being mad about getting tricked), especially since Barry knows that Zoom is dying anyway. The safer thing to do would just be to wait for him to die of his speed disease. Their decision to let Zoom come back to Earth-1 ultimately turns out very badly, and gets Barry's speed stolen and a lot of people killed.

** In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West a better hero by [[MiseryBuildsCharacter making him experience tragedy]]. Here, he's a straight-up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish him from Eobard Thawne aside from possibly being even ''more'' evil. Of course, it's entirely possible that Earth-1 Hunter will follow an arc closer to his comic counterpart.

* IdiotPlot: Barry ''finally'' is fast enough to fight Zoom on equal footing and has a plan to beat him. And he does. And ''when'' he does instead of taking him to the pipeline ASAP he has a casual conversation with Zoom [[BondVillainStupidity that would make Blofeld proud]]. Zoom uses this to escape but before he does he states that "family is a weakness". Barry doesn't take the hint and instead of going to his house where Zoom obviously went, he searches the city giving Zoom enough time to capture Wally, to use him as bargaining chip to [[HostageForMacguffin exchange for Barry's speedforce]]. When Vibe find out exact location of booth Wally AND Zoom they agree to Zoom's deal rather than trying to rescue Wally. Zoom then grabs the IdiotBall and releases Wally before Barry's speed is even extracted, leaving himself with no bargaining chip and yet NO ONE considers double-crossing him. They follow the deal to a T, knowing perfectly well what kind of monster Zoom is and how dangerous would he be with Barry's speed AND that without it they'd have no way to stop it. And after releasing one hostage, Zoom immediately takes another before leaving.

** Hunter's mother is killed right before his eyes... by his father, no less.
** Zoom's a psychotic maniac who became Earth-2's Flash to inspire hope just so he could rip it away.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The ''Supergirl'' crossover event finally happened from Barry's perspective, and instead of dedicating at least a part of the episode to it instead it's a very brief scene near the opening that you wouldn't be able to tell if you hadn't seen said episode. Especially frustrating as Barry doesn't even mention the fact that he jumped into another dimension or the fact that he meet an alien.

* IdiotPlot: Barry ''finally'' is fast enough to fight Zoom on equal footing and has a plan to beat him. And he does. And ''when'' he does instead of taking him to the pipeline ASAP he has a casual conversation with Zoom [[BondVillainStupidity that would make Blofeld proud]]. Zoom uses this to escape but before he does he states that "family is a weakness". Barry doesn't take the hint and instead of going to his house where Zoom obviously went, he searches the city giving Zoom enough time to capture Wally, to use him as bargaining chip to [[HostageForMacguffin exchange for Barry's speedforce]]. When Vibe find out exact location of booth Wally AND Zoom they agree to Zoom's deal rather than trying to rescue Wally. Zoom then grabs the IdiotBall and releases Wally before Barry's speed is even extracted, leaving himself with no bargaining chip and yet NO ONE considers double-crossing him. They follow the deal to a T, knowing perfectly well what kind of monster Zoom is and how dangerous would he be with Barry's speed AND that without it they'd have no way to stop it.

* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: We watch Barry go through a portal and come out of another during his test run. If you've seen the [[Recap/Supergirl2015S1E18WorldsFinest Worlds Finest]] episode of Series/Supergirl2015 you know that this is the point Barry crosses over into said world. If you haven't you'll probably just be left confused as to why Barry portal hopped especially since, apart from a brief sentence, it is never brought up again throughout the remainder of the episode.

** Jay's -- sorry, '''Hunter's''' mother is killed right before his eyes... by his father, no less.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The Series/Supergirl2015 crossover event finally happened and instead of detecting at least a part of the episode to it instead it's a very brief scene near the opening (see BigLippedAlligatorMoment above) that you wouldn't be able to tell if you hadn't seen said episode. Especially frustrating as Barry doesn't even mention the fact that he jumped into another dimension or the fact that he meet an alien.

* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: We watch Barry go through a portal and come out of another during his test run. It is never brought up throughout the episode.

* IdiotPlot: Barry ''finally'' is fast enough to fight Zoom on equal footing and has a plan to beat him. And he does. And ''when'' he does instead of taking him to the pipeline ASAP he has a casual conversation with Zoom [[BondVillainStupidity that would make Blofeld proud]]. Zoom uses this to escape but before he does he states that "family is a weakness". Barry doesn't take the hint and instead to going to his house where Zoom obviously went, he searches the city giving Zoom enough time to capture Wally, to use him as bargaining chip to [[HostageForMacguffin exchange for Barry's speedforce]]. When Vibe find out exact location of booth Wally AND Zoom they agree to Zoom's deal rather than trying to recapture Wally. Zoom then grabs IdiotBall and releases Wally before Barry's speed is even extracted leaving himself with no bargaining chip and yet NO ONE considers double-crossing him. They follow the deal to a T, knowing perfectly well what kind of monster Zoom is and how dangerous would he be with Barry's speed AND that without it they'd have no way to stop it.

* IdiotPlot: Barry ''finally'' is fast enough to fight Zoom on equal footing and has a plan to beat him. And he does. And ''when'' he does instead of taking him to the pipeline ASAP he has a casual conversation with Zoom [[BondVillainStupidity that would make Blofeld proud]]. Zoom uses this to escape but before he does he states that "family is a weakness". Barry doesn't take the hint and instead to going to his house where Zoom obviously went, he searches the city giving Zoom enoguh time to capture Wally, to use him as bargaining chip to [[HostageForMacguffin exchange for Barry's speedforce]]. When Vibe find out exact location of booth Wally AND Zoom they agree to Zoom's deal rather than trying to recapture Wally. Zoom then grabs IdiotBall and releases Wally before Barry's speed is even extracted leaving himself with no bargaining chip and yet NO ONE considers double-crossing him. They follow the deal to a T, knowing perfectly well what kind of moster Zoom is and how dangerous would he be with Barry's speed AND that without it they'd have no way to stop it.

* AssPull: Hunter Zolomon's convoluted explanation about how he used his past self to fake his own death.

* {{Asspull}}: Zolomon's convoluted explaination about how he used his past self to fake his death.
* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Barry loses his speed at the end of the episode, but everyone knows it will only be temporary, especially since he was seen using it in the flash foward at the beginning of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'''s current season, which is implied to take place not long after this episode.

** Jay's... sorry, '''Hunter's''' mother is killed right before his eyes... by his father, no less.
** Zoom's a psychotic maniac who became Earth 2's flash to inspire hope just so he could rip it away.

** In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West a better hero by [[MiseryBuildsCharacter making him experience tragedy]]. Here, he's a straight up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish himself from Eobard Thawne, except he's possibly even ''more'' evil. Of course, it's entirely possible that Earth One Hunter will follow an arc closer to his comic counterpart.
** Jay Garrick the very first Flash is one of the oldest superheroes in the history of comics, while not an A lister he's still an EnsembleDarkhorse and a valued mentor to most heroes. Here he was never even a hero at all, if he even existed in the first place.

* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Barry loses his speed at the end of the episode, but everyone knows it will only be temporary, especially since he was seen using it in the FlashFoward at the beginning of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'''s current season, which is implied to take place not long after this episode.

** In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West a better hero by [[MiseryBuildsCharacter making him experience tragedy]]. Here, he's a straight up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish himself from Eobard Thawne, except he's possibly even ''more'' evil.

** In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West a better hero by [[MiseryBuildsCharacter making him experience tragedy]]. Here, he's a straight up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish himself from Eobard Thawne, expect he's possibly even ''more'' evil.

** In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West, a better hero by making him experience tragedy, here he's a straight up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish himself from Eobard Thawne, expect he's possibly even ''more'' evil.
** Jay Garrick the very first Flash is one of the oldest superheroes in the history of comics, while not an A lister he's still an EnsembleDarkhorse and a valued mentor to most heroes. Here he was never even a hero at all.

** Jay not being a hero.

* FranchiseOriginalSin: Jay Garrick the very first Flash is one of the oldest superheroes in the history of comics, while not an A lister he's still an EnsembleDarkhorse and a valued mentor to most heroes, so having him having never been a real hero at all - it's just as bad as the Arrow writers killing off the Black Canary.

** Jay not being a hero. See FranchiseOriginalSin above.

* FranchiseOriginalSin: Jay Garrick is one of the oldest superheroes in the history of comics, while not an A lister he's still an EnsembleDarkhorse and a valued mentor to most heroes, so having him having never been a real hero at all - it's just as bad as the Arrow writers killing off the Black Canary.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West, a better hero by making him experience tragedy, here's a straight up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish himself from Eobard Thawne, expect he's possibly even ''more'' evil.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West, a better hero by making him experience tragedy, here's a straight up monster, and there's really nothing to distinguish himself from Eobard Thawane, expect he's possibly even ''more'' evil.

* FranchiseOriginalSin: Jay Garrick is one of the oldest superheroes in the history of comics, while not an A lister he's still an EnsembleDarkhorse and a valued mentor to most heroes, so having him having never been a real hero at all - it's just as bad as killing off the Black Canary.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In the comics, Hunter Zolomon was a villain, albeit a tragic one who deluded himself into thinking he could make Wally West, a better hero by making him experience tragedy, here's a straight up monster.