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* TheWoobie: Miranda, despite being treated well, is horribly lonely. She's abducted by a strange man she barely knows and while she's allowed to live in luxury, it comes at the cost of her freedom (and eventually her life). Even when she's seen as snobby due to her educated upbringing, she's still someone whose trapped and alone with someone she doesn't love and who abuses her when things don't go his way.

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* TheWoobie: Miranda, despite being treated well, is horribly lonely. She's abducted by a strange man she barely knows and while she's allowed to live in luxury, it comes at the cost of her freedom (and eventually her life). Even when she's seen as snobby due to her educated upbringing, she's still someone whose who's trapped and alone with someone she doesn't love and who abuses her when things don't go his way.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Frederick's entire plot to kidnap Miranda and his overall attitude towards her and other woman is far more disturbing because his mindset is the prototype for the manosphere (specifically incels) due to obsessive feelings and a sense of entitlement.

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Frederick's entire plot to kidnap Miranda and his overall attitude towards her and other woman is far more disturbing because his mindset is the prototype for the manosphere (specifically incels) due to obsessive feelings and a sense of entitlement.



* NightmareFuel: The entire book.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Frederick is an isolated young man with a poor grasp on social cues, an obsessive need to control and a desire to collect things in addition to having yan extreme attraction to certain woman while being averse to having sex with them. It can be assumed that Frederick is either an undiagnosed autistic person or suffers from limerence.

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\n* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Frederick is an isolated young man with a poor grasp on social cues, an obsessive need to control and a desire to collect things in addition to having yan an extreme attraction to certain woman while being averse to having sex with them. It can be assumed that Frederick is either an undiagnosed autistic person or suffers from limerence.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Frederick proceeds to show his true colours after Miranda has sex with him, hoping he'll let her go. Instead, he keeps her restrained and forces her to partake in humiliating, degrading photos and when she pleads for her to take her to a doctor, he refuses, and Miranda ends up dying from bronchitis.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Frederick proceeds to show his true colours after Miranda has sex with him, hoping he'll let her go. Instead, he keeps her restrained and forces her to partake in humiliating, degrading photos and when she pleads for her him to take her to a doctor, he refuses, and Miranda ends up dying from bronchitis.

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Ambiguous Disorder was renamed Diagnosed By The Audience and goes in YMMV page


* AmbiguousDisorder: Frederick is an isolated young man with a poor grasp on social cues, an obsessive need to control and a desire to collect things in addition to having an extreme attraction to certain woman while being averse to having sex with them. It can be assumed that Frederick is either an undiagnosed autistic person or suffers from limerence.


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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Frederick is an isolated young man with a poor grasp on social cues, an obsessive need to control and a desire to collect things in addition to having yan extreme attraction to certain woman while being averse to having sex with them. It can be assumed that Frederick is either an undiagnosed autistic person or suffers from limerence.
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* AcceptableHobbyTargets: Butterfly collecting is Frederick's favourite hobby and is used to highlight his view on Miranda: a pretty object to be observed and collected. Much like the butterflies he loves so much, he ends up killing Miranda so that he can keep her forever.

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!! YMMV for The Collector (book/movie adaption):
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!! YMMV for the series:
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jerri's sister calls her out for letting her work and obsession on learning the truth about Morgan Pym tear apart her relationship with her son.

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!! YMMV for ''The Collector'' (2009) and ''The Collection'' (2012):
* AuthorsSavingThrow: The DownerEnding of the first movie was often criticized by filmgoers for not working as a solid conclusion and for [[spoiler: showing zero mercy to Arkin]], effectively rendering the movie a ShootTheShaggyDogStory. The sequel redeems this by not only [[spoiler: revealing Arkin to be alive]], but also [[spoiler: making him a main character who gets some [[CatharsisFactor immensely satisfying]] revenge on the Collector]].
* BileFascination: It’s pretty much agreed that neither films have much substance or reason to be seen unless you’re into [[{{Gorn}} watching people get killed messily]]. And unsurprisingly, TorturePorn isn’t exactly [[AudienceAlienatingPremise something for everyone]].
* CatharsisFactor: Watching Arkin [[spoiler:beat the everloving shit out of the Collector — who narrowly dodged karma in the first movie — and then set him on fire. Even when he seemingly escapes justice again, Arkin manages to track him down and deliver ''another'' beating, with the intent of [[LaserGuidedKarma torturing him]] before killing him once and for all.]]
* CompleteMonster: The [[AntagonistTitle title character]] is a {{sadist}}ic SerialKiller who breaks into innocent families' homes, [[TrapMaster turning them into death traps]] and torturing the residents, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], before "collecting" one he likes best, taking them for further [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] or killing them through gruesome entomological (insect-related) experiments. His body count is estimated to be in the hundreds, and at the end of the film, he kidnaps the film's protagonist Arkin for such a fate. The sequel, ''The Collection'', opens with the Collector massacring a dance club with his traps, gruesomely murdering at least dozens of innocent partygoers with numerous traps (notably a harvesting combine which grinds up numerous victims, and an elevator which crushes many more), before kidnapping Elena while Arkin made his escape. It is also revealed to that through drugs, torture and imprisonment, his captives were driven insane, used as CannonFodder, and kills off a group of mercenaries that Arkin led to his hideout. When the police find the hideout, the Collector decides to simply burn it down.
* DivorcedInstallment: The first film was originally intended to be a ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' prequel called ''The Midnight Man''.
* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Arkin going back to the house to [[spoiler:rescue Hannah]] despite having every reason to get out of dodge. [[spoiler:He even allows the Collector to torture him just to prevent him from finding her.]]
* SignatureScene: For ''The Collection'', either the [[SequelEscalation nightclub massacre]] or the FinalBattle sequence at the hotel.
* ValuesDissonance: Arkin trying to emasculate the Collector by throwing gay slurs at him probably won't sit well with today's audiences, though in fairness, he was trying to distract him so he wouldn't find Hannah.
* TheWoobie:
** Larry in the first movie. He's abducted whilst he tries to open the box, chained up and tortured, and when Arkin finds him, he is unable to take him anywhere despite his pleas otherwise, leaving him to the mercy of the Collector. [[spoiler:Then the Collector throws him into Hannah's room to be electrocuted by Hannah and Arkin.]]
** Hannah. Her whole family might count, as well, but seeing how she's just a little girl and she's left without a family by the end, she stands out.

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!! YMMV for the fanfic of that name:
* MoralEventHorizon: The Curator forces Vlad to fight Danny until one of them can't continue, and afterward tortures Danny in the infirmary.
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the main work page being Fanfic.The Collectors

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the way this is written sounds more like Overshadowed By Awesome; moving to the main work page as that trope


* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Melody and Ryder are ridiculously capable by human standards, but can't really keep up with ghosts and half-ghosts.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Melody and Ryder are ridiculously capable by human standards, but can't really keep up with ghosts and half-ghosts.

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!! YMMV for The Collector (book/movie adaption):
* AcceptableHobbyTargets: Butterfly collecting is Frederick's favourite hobby and is used to highlight his view on Miranda: a pretty object to be observed and collected. Much like the butterflies he loves so much, he ends up killing Miranda so that he can keep her forever.
* AmbiguousDisorder: Frederick is an isolated young man with a poor grasp on social cues, an obsessive need to control and a desire to collect things in addition to having an extreme attraction to certain woman while being averse to having sex with them. It can be assumed that Frederick is either an undiagnosed autistic person or suffers from limerence.
* {{Applicability}}: The Collector as a whole can function as a metaphor for a limerent attraction to someone. The first two parts of the book show Frederick being obsessed with Miranda -his limerence object-. He's awkward around her yet intensely attracted, is [[DoggedNiceGuy utterly devoted to her]] despite [[AllLoveIsUnrequited her lack of interest and later animosity.]] Then she does something to make him lose all respect, causing his "love" for her to turn into smouldering hate. Eventually, his hate for her dies along with their relationship with the ending showing the limerent cycle starting anew.
* HarsherInHindsight: Frederick's entire plot to kidnap Miranda and his overall attitude towards her and other woman is far more disturbing because his mindset is the prototype for the manosphere (specifically incels) due to obsessive feelings and a sense of entitlement.
** The book's ending where Miranda is killed, and Frederick is implied to find a new victim to continue the cycle is creepier when you take into account that several serial killers such as Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, Christopher Wilder and Robert Berdella were inspired by the book to carry out their crimes. The first two in particular named their plan after Miranda, the female character in the book.
* MoralEventHorizon: Frederick proceeds to show his true colours after Miranda has sex with him, hoping he'll let her go. Instead, he keeps her restrained and forces her to partake in humiliating, degrading photos and when she pleads for her to take her to a doctor, he refuses, and Miranda ends up dying from bronchitis.
* NightmareFuel: The entire book.
* TearJerker: After being kidnapped, imprisoned for months and abused by Frederick, poor Miranda dies a slow, agonizing death.
* TheWoobie: Miranda, despite being treated well, is horribly lonely. She's abducted by a strange man she barely knows and while she's allowed to live in luxury, it comes at the cost of her freedom (and eventually her life). Even when she's seen as snobby due to her educated upbringing, she's still someone whose trapped and alone with someone she doesn't love and who abuses her when things don't go his way.



!! YMMV for the book:
* AmbiguousDisorder: Frederick seems to have one. He's certainly not normal.
* NightmareFuel: The entire book.
* TearJerker: After being kidnapped, imprisoned for months and abused by Frederick, poor Miranda dies a slow, agonizing death.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jerri's sister calls out on her for letting her work and obsession on learning the truth about Morgan Pym tearing her relationship with her son.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Jerri's sister calls her out on her for letting her work and obsession on learning the truth about Morgan Pym tearing tear apart her relationship with her son.
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* FoeYay: A few of the fans joke that the Curator singles Vlad out because he likes him the most, and that his brutality towards Danny is because of jealousy.
* {{Moral Event Horizon}}: The Curator forces Vlad to fight Danny until one of them can't continue, and afterward tortures Danny in the infirmary.
* {{What Measure Is a Non Badass}}: Melody and Ryder are ridiculously capable by human standards, but can't really keep up with ghosts and half-ghosts.

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* FoeYay: A few of the fans joke that the Curator singles Vlad out because he likes him the most, and that his brutality towards Danny is because of jealousy.
* {{Moral Event Horizon}}:
MoralEventHorizon: The Curator forces Vlad to fight Danny until one of them can't continue, and afterward tortures Danny in the infirmary.
* {{What Measure Is a Non Badass}}: WhatMeasureIsANonBadass: Melody and Ryder are ridiculously capable by human standards, but can't really keep up with ghosts and half-ghosts.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Arkin going back to the house to [[spoiler:rescue Hannah]] despite having every reason to get out of dodge. [[spoiler:He even allows the Collector to torture him just to prevent him from finding her.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: Arkin trying to emasculate the Collector by throwing gay slurs at him probably won't sit well with today's audiences, though in fairness, he was trying to distract him so he wouldn't find Hannah.
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* CompleteMonster: The [[AntagonistTitle title character]] is a {{sadist}}ic SerialKiller who breaks into innocent families' homes, [[TrapMaster turning them into death traps]] and torturing the residents, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], before "collecting" one he likes best, taking them for further [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] or killing them through gruesome entomological (insect-related) experiments. His body count is estimated to be in the hundreds, and at the end of the film he claims the protagonist, Arkin, as his latest prize. The sequel, ''The Collection'', opens with the Collector massacring an underground club with his machines, slaughtering dozens of party goers with numerous traps (notably a harvesting combine which grinds up numerous victims, and an elevator which crushes many more) before kidnapping a new subject, Elena. When an escaped Arkin and a group of mercenaries later storm the Collector's hideout, it is revealed that many of the abductees are drugged and tormented into insanity for use as slaves and CannonFodder.

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* CompleteMonster: The [[AntagonistTitle title character]] is a {{sadist}}ic SerialKiller who breaks into innocent families' homes, [[TrapMaster turning them into death traps]] and torturing the residents, [[WouldHurtAChild including the children]], before "collecting" one he likes best, taking them for further [[ColdBloodedTorture torture]] or killing them through gruesome entomological (insect-related) experiments. His body count is estimated to be in the hundreds, and at the end of the film film, he claims kidnaps the protagonist, Arkin, as his latest prize. film's protagonist Arkin for such a fate. The sequel, ''The Collection'', opens with the Collector massacring an underground a dance club with his machines, slaughtering traps, gruesomely murdering at least dozens of party goers innocent partygoers with numerous traps (notably a harvesting combine which grinds up numerous victims, and an elevator which crushes many more) more), before kidnapping a new subject, Elena. When an escaped Elena while Arkin made his escape. It is also revealed to that through drugs, torture and imprisonment, his captives were driven insane, used as CannonFodder, and kills off a group of mercenaries later storm that Arkin led to his hideout. When the Collector's police find the hideout, it is revealed that many of the abductees are drugged and tormented into insanity for use as slaves and CannonFodder.Collector decides to simply burn it down.
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Looking at reviews and You Tube comments confirms this

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: The DownerEnding of the first movie was often criticized by filmgoers for not working as a solid conclusion and for [[spoiler: showing zero mercy to Arkin]], effectively rendering the movie a ShootTheShaggyDogStory. The sequel redeems this by not only [[spoiler: revealing Arkin to be alive]], but also [[spoiler: making him a main character who gets some [[CatharsisFactor immensely satisfying]] revenge on the Collector]].
* BileFascination: It’s pretty much agreed that neither films have much substance or reason to be seen unless you’re into [[{{Gorn}} watching people get killed messily]]. And unsurprisingly, TorturePorn isn’t exactly [[AudienceAlienatingPremise something for everyone]].
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* SignatureScene: For ''The Collection'', either the [[SequelEscalation nightclub massacre]] or the FinalBattle sequence at the hotel.

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