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** Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game without DLC or microtransactions, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.

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** Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game without DLC or microtransactions, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.microtransactions, having rejected exclusively single-player games as "unprofitable" in recent years.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game without DLC or microtransactions, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.

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Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game without DLC or microtransactions, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.microtransactions.
** The gameplay reveal at E3 2019 received a mixed reception due to its linear Videogame/{{Uncharted}} like gameplay. However, those who saw additional behind-the-scenes footage reported that the game would be more similar to {{Metroidvania}} with a touch of Videogame/DarkSouls, reigniting interest.
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** That the Second Sister is Barriss, due to Second Sister's high rank befitting someone as intelligent and skilled as Barriss, the Second Sister's face being hidden by a mask suggesting that she may be a pre-established character, and WordOfGod being that Palpatine didn't have Barriss executed after her trial and has plans for her. On the contrary, Creator/DaveFiloni had already debunked at Celebration 2015 that Barriss was an Inquisitor and stated that she was a "completely different story", leading to theorizers reconciling this with either [[LyingCreator he was lying]] or [[ShrugOfGod plans changed]].

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** That the Second Sister is Barriss, due to Second Sister's high rank befitting someone as intelligent and skilled as Barriss, the Second Sister's face being hidden by a mask suggesting that she may be a pre-established character, and WordOfGod being that Palpatine didn't have Barriss executed after her trial and has plans for her. On the contrary, Creator/DaveFiloni had already debunked at Celebration 2015 that Barriss was an Inquisitor and stated that she was a "completely different story", leading to theorizers reconciling this with either [[LyingCreator he was lying]] or [[ShrugOfGod plans changed]]. Even with the developers personally jossing this theory in an interview and Story Group member Matt Martin also jossing it, some still believe that [[LyingCreator they're lying]] or [[TrollingCreator being tongue-in-cheek]] (i.e. "Barriss and Second Sister are different people" in the same way that [[ThatManIsDead Anakin and Vader are different people]]).
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Many people were surprised to see Saw Gerrera make an appearance.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Many people were surprised to see Saw Gerrera make an appearance. Even more unexpected was the return of Tarfful, as confirmed [[https://www.gameinformer.com/feature/2019/06/08/the-true-power-of-the-force here]].
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Maybe they'll show up. This should wait until the game's out.


* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some fans felt that, given how little the new canon has addressed what happened in the wake of Order 66, it was a wasted opportunity to use a brand new character for a Jedi survivor rather than previously established ones like Ahsoka Tano, Caleb Dume, or Quinlan Vos.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some fans felt that, given how little the new canon has addressed what happened in the wake of Order 66, it was a wasted opportunity to use a brand new character for a Jedi survivor rather than previously established ones like Ahsoka Tano, Caleb Dume, or Quinlan Vos.
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** The presence of Saw Gerrera (in his early, still-balding stage) has led to many people expecting an appearance from a young Jyn Erso, since this is around the time she would still be working with Saw.
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Since the examples aren't game related then it doesn't count. Also the second example felt like a nit-pick.


* ItsTheSameSoItSucks:
** While a story revolving around an Order 66 survivor being hunted down by the Empire while they go on a journey to uncover Jedi secrets and survive isn't novel, a number of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' fans have voiced disinterest in the game for being about a young human Jedi boy who survived Order 66 as a Padawan, went into hiding as a maintenance worker, being targeted by Inquisitors, relearns the Jedi arts while on the run, and has a similar name to Caleb Dume, as these aspects make Cal seem like Kanan Jarrus lite.
** Many were hoping for a non-human protagonist, along the lines of Ahsoka, due to prominent lack of such in the franchise.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Many people were surprised to see Saw Gerrera in the game.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Many people were surprised to see Saw Gerrera in the game.make an appearance.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Many people were surprised to see Saw Gerrera in the game.
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* MemeticMutation: Derogatorily, cynically using "Trust no one." or "Don't stand out." to reference [[NeverLiveItDown EA shooting themselves in the foot]] if the seemingly promising game ends up having microtransactions and DLC (which Respawn states to be absent) and/or is of disappointing quality.

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* MemeticMutation: Derogatorily, Trust no one[=/=]Don't stand out.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Used cynically using "Trust no one." or "Don't stand out." by people apprehensive about EA proudly advertising the game as single-player without microtransaction, seeing it as the company attempting to sweep their prior incidents under the rug. Also used to reference [[NeverLiveItDown EA shooting themselves in the foot]] if the seemingly promising game ends up having microtransactions and DLC (which Respawn states to be absent) post-launch, and/or is turns out to be of disappointing quality. quality.[[/labelnote]]
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* WinBackTheCrowd: Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game, game without DLC or microtransactions, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.
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* MemeticMutation: Derogatorily, cynically using "Trust no one." or "Don't stand out." to reference [[NeverLiveItDown EA shooting themselves in the foot]] if the seemingly promising game ends up having microtransactions and DLC ([[AuthorsSavingThrow which it doesn't]]) and/or is of disappointing quality.

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* MemeticMutation: Derogatorily, cynically using "Trust no one." or "Don't stand out." to reference [[NeverLiveItDown EA shooting themselves in the foot]] if the seemingly promising game ends up having microtransactions and DLC ([[AuthorsSavingThrow which it doesn't]]) (which Respawn states to be absent) and/or is of disappointing quality.
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I would make a case for single player campaign being a turnpoint after EA's disasters, but otherwise these aren't narrative examples. Do not re-add nor justify that other game pages do it all the same, because two wrongs don't make a right.


* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** After the infamous InternetBacklash that EA faced upon the release of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' for {{microtransactions}} and {{DLC}} as well as lacking an offline single-player mode, EA was sure to make it clear at Celebration 2019 that none of these aspects would be in ''Jedi: Fallen Order''.
** After the publicized problems that recent Creator/{{Bioware}} games such as ''VideoGame/{{Anthem}}'' and ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' had with the Frostbite Engine, many were relieved to hear that ''Fallen Order'' would use the tried-and-true Unreal Engine instead.
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** After the publicized problems that recent Creator/{{Bioware}} games such as ''VideoGame/{{Anthem}}'' and 'mVideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' had with the Frostbite Engine, many were relieved to hear that ''Fallen Order'' would use the tried-and-true Unreal Engine instead.

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** After the publicized problems that recent Creator/{{Bioware}} games such as ''VideoGame/{{Anthem}}'' and 'mVideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' had with the Frostbite Engine, many were relieved to hear that ''Fallen Order'' would use the tried-and-true Unreal Engine instead.
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** After the publicized problems that recent Bioware games such as VideoGame/{{Anthem}} and VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda had with the Frostbite Engine, many were relieved to hear that Fallen Jedi would use the tried-and-true Unreal Engine instead.

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** After the publicized problems that recent Bioware Creator/{{Bioware}} games such as VideoGame/{{Anthem}} ''VideoGame/{{Anthem}}'' and VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda 'mVideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'' had with the Frostbite Engine, many were relieved to hear that Fallen Jedi ''Fallen Order'' would use the tried-and-true Unreal Engine instead.
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She is a main character (so not a darkhorse) and wait till the game comes out


* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Second Sister for [[EvilIsCool looking cool and menacing]] as well as being a source of EpilepticTrees, mainly over whether or not she may be another EnsembleDarkhorse, [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Barriss Offee]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the infamous InternetBacklash that EA faced upon the release of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' for {{microtransactions}} and {{DLC}} as well as lacking an offline single-player mode, EA was sure to make it clear at Celebration 2019 that none of these aspects would be in ''Jedi: Fallen Order''.

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After the infamous InternetBacklash that EA faced upon the release of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' for {{microtransactions}} and {{DLC}} as well as lacking an offline single-player mode, EA was sure to make it clear at Celebration 2019 that none of these aspects would be in ''Jedi: Fallen Order''.Order''.
** After the publicized problems that recent Bioware games such as VideoGame/{{Anthem}} and VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda had with the Frostbite Engine, many were relieved to hear that Fallen Jedi would use the tried-and-true Unreal Engine instead.


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* WinBackTheCrowd: Many were pleasantly surprised that EA would publish a single-player Star Wars game, as EA had a notorious reputation for preferring service-based online games with microtransactions.
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Unnecessary Word Cruft, and it comes off as somewhat biased since the Inquisitors in Rebels weren't really Scrappies.


* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Second Sister for [[EvilIsCool looking cool and menacing]] as well as being a source of EpilepticTrees, mainly over whether or not she may be another EnsembleDarkhorse, [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Barriss Offee]]. This is in contrast to the reception towards the Inquisitors in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', which was mainly viewing them as TheScrappy, although ''ComicBook/DarthVaderDarkLordOfTheSith'' seems to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap have alleviated it to some extent]].

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Second Sister for [[EvilIsCool looking cool and menacing]] as well as being a source of EpilepticTrees, mainly over whether or not she may be another EnsembleDarkhorse, [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Barriss Offee]]. This is in contrast to the reception towards the Inquisitors in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', which was mainly viewing them as TheScrappy, although ''ComicBook/DarthVaderDarkLordOfTheSith'' seems to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap have alleviated it to some extent]].



** For general audiences that have heard of [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan Jarrus/Caleb Dume]] but are not deeply familiar with side material, guesses that Cal is the same person as Caleb are common due to their similar backstories and names. This obviously holds no water as ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' has already shown Caleb's backstory in addition to Cal and Caleb sharing little physical resemblance.

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** For general audiences that have heard of [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan Jarrus/Caleb Dume]] Dume]], but are not aren't deeply familiar with side material, guesses that Cal is the same person as Caleb are common due to their similar backstories and names. This obviously holds no water as ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' has already shown Caleb's backstory in addition to Cal and Caleb sharing little physical resemblance.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/MarkHamill went from playing a Jedi hero to [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries voicing]] ComicBook/TheJoker. Creator/CameronMonaghan went from [[Series/{{Gotham}} playing the Joker]] to voicing a Jedi hero.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the infamous InternetBacklash that EA faced upon the release of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' for micro-transactions and DLC as well as lacking an offline single-player mode, EA was sure to make it clear at Celebration 2019 that none of these aspects would be in ''Jedi: Fallen Order''.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the infamous InternetBacklash that EA faced upon the release of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' for micro-transactions {{microtransactions}} and DLC {{DLC}} as well as lacking an offline single-player mode, EA was sure to make it clear at Celebration 2019 that none of these aspects would be in ''Jedi: Fallen Order''.


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* MemeticMutation: Derogatorily, cynically using "Trust no one." or "Don't stand out." to reference [[NeverLiveItDown EA shooting themselves in the foot]] if the seemingly promising game ends up having microtransactions and DLC ([[AuthorsSavingThrow which it doesn't]]) and/or is of disappointing quality.

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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: While a story revolving around an Order 66 survivor being hunted down by the Empire while they go on a journey to uncover Jedi secrets and survive isn't novel, a number of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' fans have voiced disinterest in the game for being about a young human Jedi boy who survived Order 66 as a Padawan, went into hiding as a maintenance worker, being targeted by Inquisitors, relearns the Jedi arts while on the run, and has a similar name to Caleb Dume, as these aspects make Cal seem like Kanan Jarrus lite.

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While a story revolving around an Order 66 survivor being hunted down by the Empire while they go on a journey to uncover Jedi secrets and survive isn't novel, a number of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' fans have voiced disinterest in the game for being about a young human Jedi boy who survived Order 66 as a Padawan, went into hiding as a maintenance worker, being targeted by Inquisitors, relearns the Jedi arts while on the run, and has a similar name to Caleb Dume, as these aspects make Cal seem like Kanan Jarrus lite. lite.
** Many were hoping for a non-human protagonist, along the lines of Ahsoka, due to prominent lack of such in the franchise.
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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: While a story revolving around an Order 66 survivor being hunted down by the Empire while they go on a journey to uncover Jedi secrets and survive isn't novel, a number of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' fans have voiced disinterest in the game for being about a young human Jedi boy who survived Order 66 as a Padawan, went into hiding as a maintenance worker, being targeted by Inquisitors, relearns the Jedi arts while on the run, and has a similar name to Caleb Dume, as these aspects make Cal seem like Kanan Jarrus lite.
* JustHereForGodzilla:
** Fans of Cameron Monaghan have shown interest in the game after it was announced he would be playing the main character.
** Inquisitor fans and Barriss fans are enticed by the game featuring Inquisitors on the screen again, additionally with hopes that the Second Sister or another Inquisitor turn out to be Barriss.
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** As standard for any post-Order 66 entry, seeing pre-established Jedi characters, the most popular guesses being Quinlan Vos and Barriss Offee (usually going in hand with her being an Inquisitor).
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Lol, seriously?


* VanillaProtagonist: Cal has earned some skeptics due to being yet another WhiteMaleLead while many other recent ''Star Wars'' entries have featured main characters of color.

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* VanillaProtagonist: Cal has earned some skeptics due to being yet another WhiteMaleLead while many other recent ''Star Wars'' entries have featured main characters of color.----
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** That the Second Sister is Barriss, due to Second Sister's high rank befitting someone as intelligent and skilled as Barriss, the Second Sister's face being hidden by a mask suggesting that she may be a pre-established character, and WordOfGod being that Palpatine didn't have Barriss executed after her trial and has plans for her. On the contrary, Creator/DaveFiloni had already debunked at Celebration 2015 that Barriss was an Inquisitor and stated that she was a "completely different story", leading to theorizers reconciling this with either [[LyingCreator he was lying]] or [[ShrugOfGod plans changed]].

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** That the Second Sister is Barriss, due to Second Sister's high rank befitting someone as intelligent and skilled as Barriss, the Second Sister's face being hidden by a mask suggesting that she may be a pre-established character, and WordOfGod being that Palpatine didn't have Barriss executed after her trial and has plans for her. On the contrary, Creator/DaveFiloni had already debunked at Celebration 2015 that Barriss was an Inquisitor and stated that she was a "completely different story", leading to theorizers reconciling this with either [[LyingCreator he was lying]] or [[ShrugOfGod plans changed]].changed]].
* VanillaProtagonist: Cal has earned some skeptics due to being yet another WhiteMaleLead while many other recent ''Star Wars'' entries have featured main characters of color.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Second Sister for [[EvilIsCool looking cool and menacing]] as well as being a source of EpilepticTrees, mainly over whether or not she may be another EnsembleDarkhorse, [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Barriss Offee]]. This is in contrast to the reception towards the Inquisitors in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', which was mainly viewing them as TheScrappy.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Second Sister for [[EvilIsCool looking cool and menacing]] as well as being a source of EpilepticTrees, mainly over whether or not she may be another EnsembleDarkhorse, [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Barriss Offee]]. This is in contrast to the reception towards the Inquisitors in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', which was mainly viewing them as TheScrappy.TheScrappy, although ''ComicBook/DarthVaderDarkLordOfTheSith'' seems to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap have alleviated it to some extent]].
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Second Sister for [[EvilIsCool looking cool and menacing]] as well as being a source of EpilepticTrees, mainly over whether or not she may be another EnsembleDarkhorse, [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars Barriss Offee]]. This is in contrast to the reception towards the Inquisitors in ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'', which was mainly viewing them as TheScrappy.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After the infamous InternetBacklash that EA faced upon the release of ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefrontII2017'' for micro-transactions and DLC as well as lacking an offline single-player mode, EA was sure to make it clear at Celebration 2019 that none of these aspects would be in ''Jedi: Fallen Order''.
* EpilepticTrees:
** For general audiences that have heard of [[WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels Kanan Jarrus/Caleb Dume]] but are not deeply familiar with side material, guesses that Cal is the same person as Caleb are common due to their similar backstories and names. This obviously holds no water as ''ComicBook/StarWarsKanan'' has already shown Caleb's backstory in addition to Cal and Caleb sharing little physical resemblance.
** That the Second Sister is Barriss, due to Second Sister's high rank befitting someone as intelligent and skilled as Barriss, the Second Sister's face being hidden by a mask suggesting that she may be a pre-established character, and WordOfGod being that Palpatine didn't have Barriss executed after her trial and has plans for her. On the contrary, Creator/DaveFiloni had already debunked at Celebration 2015 that Barriss was an Inquisitor and stated that she was a "completely different story", leading to theorizers reconciling this with either [[LyingCreator he was lying]] or [[ShrugOfGod plans changed]].

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