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** As Razor Ramon, he was just some two-bit thug who was brought in as a stooge for Wrestling/RicFlair, but he acted like such a badass that the fans turned him face. Even then, he was never particularly interested in being a main event level talent; despite his popular, Razor stayed a mid-carder for the majority of his WWF run.

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** As Razor Ramon, he was just some two-bit thug who was brought in as a stooge for Wrestling/RicFlair, but he acted like such a badass that the fans turned him face. Even then, he was never particularly interested in being a main event level talent; despite his popular, popularity, Razor stayed a mid-carder for the majority of his WWF run.run, mostly defending or challenging for the Intercontinental belt.

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** As Razor Ramon, he was just some two-bit thug who was brought in as a stooge for Wrestling/RicFlair, but he acted like such a badass that the fans turned him face. Even then, he was never particularly interested in being a main event level talent; despite his popular, Razor stayed a mid-carder for the majority of his WWF run.



** Even in WWE he was this trope. As Razor Ramon, he was just some two-bit thug who was brought in as a stooge for Wrestling/RicFlair, but he acted like such a badass that the fans turned him face.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him was already bad enough. But it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment.
* NarmCharm: Gotta love that iffy Cuban accent he pulled as Razor Ramon. Really, the whole persona mostly worked because Scott Hall had such a natural charisma on the mic.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him was already bad enough. But became this it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment. \n* NarmCharm: Gotta love that iffy Cuban accent he pulled as Razor Ramon. Really, the whole persona mostly worked because Scott Hall had such a natural charisma on the mic.


* NarmCharm: Gotta love that iffy Cuban accent he pulled as Razor Ramon. Really, the whole persona mostly worked because Scott Hall had such a natural charisma on the mic.
* TearJerker
** His April 8th, 2011 appearance, and Wrestling/KevinNash's blog post on it. Both are hard to watch, especially if you're a fan.
** The documentary made by ESPN about him.
*** In his own words, Hall explains many of his problems and where they have originated. Made even worse several days later when TMZ reported that every positive moment from 2011 they filmed didn't pan out well.
*** The tape also showed Sean "X-Pac" Waltman looking at the footage, and questioning why the hell the promoter of the April 8th match would send Scott out, and why the man denies any real acknowledgment of the human being. It culminates with a [[PrecisionFStrike "fuck you"]] to the asshole in question. It's tearjerking because it's one of the few times Waltman has publicly spoken out about Hall's downward spiral.
--->'''Promoter:''' I absolutely made a business vs. a moral decision. Scott Hall's not my friend. I met him one day. I'm pretty sure I'll never meet him again.\\
'''Waltman:''' So you shove the guy out the curtain, so you can, uh, you know, so you don't have to give out refunds? Fuck you.
*** Also from said documentary, when his son came to support him. Scott Hall said that he didn't want people he loved to worry about him, and was more worried that he was going to embarrass his kids.
*** Scott tearfully saying that he believes that he should've died long ago:
---> '''Scott:''' There's gotta be some reason that I'm still here. Because I should've been dead a hundred times...I should've been dead a hundred times.
** While it had a heartwarming ending (and even a few funny moments when Scott drunkenly recalls some funny events from their pasts), the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poV1FXdNq84 video]] of Wrestling/DiamondDallasPage and Wrestling/JakeRoberts calling Scott in a last desperate attempt to save him has several heart-wrenching moments. DDP is motivated to make the call after receiving a text from Wrestling/SeanWaltman saying that Scott was [[DespairEventHorizon "considering getting a gun"]] and even Page thinks there's only about a 1% chance he can help Scott, but he still has to try. Scott is clearly still drunk after another vodka breakfast, slurring his speech and sounding like a tape player with its batteries slowly running down, and is on the verge of breaking down completely, convinced he's about to die.
--->'''Scott:''' I mean it bro, I'm dying, man. I'm dying.
--->'''Jake:''' I know the feeling, man I was too, bro... I was, I was, I was wanting to go, and that ain't cool, man, because there's too many people that love us, man.
--->'''Scott:''' I'm dying, and I wanna die...
** The desperation in Jake's voice when he keeps repeating "you don't need to!" when Hall talks about said Vodka breakfast could only come from someone who knows exactly what Hall is going through right now.
** Even Dallas wasn't prepared for seeing the state Hall was at the time, he was virtually unrecognizable, bloated, pale, with stringy white hair and in a wheel chair due to his hip problems and weight gain.
** Even sadder is that he was still prone to relapses as recent as 2017. Thankfully, it wasn't to the point that he was used to, but it was still a big issue for him.
** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships with his friends and family and redefine his image in his last years, from a hopeless addict to a man who overcame his demons, and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have, passing away surrounded by his loved ones and remembered fondly by fans as both a great wrestler and a man who brought himself back from the brink.

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* NarmCharm: Gotta love that iffy Cuban accent he pulled as Razor Ramon. Really, the whole persona mostly worked because Scott Hall had such a natural charisma on the mic.
* TearJerker
** His April 8th, 2011 appearance, and Wrestling/KevinNash's blog post on it. Both are hard to watch, especially if you're a fan.
** The documentary made by ESPN about him.
*** In his own words, Hall explains many of his problems and where they have originated. Made even worse several days later when TMZ reported that every positive moment from 2011 they filmed didn't pan out well.
*** The tape also showed Sean "X-Pac" Waltman looking at the footage, and questioning why the hell the promoter of the April 8th match would send Scott out, and why the man denies any real acknowledgment of the human being. It culminates with a [[PrecisionFStrike "fuck you"]] to the asshole in question. It's tearjerking because it's one of the few times Waltman has publicly spoken out about Hall's downward spiral.
--->'''Promoter:''' I absolutely made a business vs. a moral decision. Scott Hall's not my friend. I met him one day. I'm pretty sure I'll never meet him again.\\
'''Waltman:''' So you shove the guy out the curtain, so you can, uh, you know, so you don't have to give out refunds? Fuck you.
*** Also from said documentary, when his son came to support him. Scott Hall said that he didn't want people he loved to worry about him, and was more worried that he was going to embarrass his kids.
*** Scott tearfully saying that he believes that he should've died long ago:
---> '''Scott:''' There's gotta be some reason that I'm still here. Because I should've been dead a hundred times...I should've been dead a hundred times.
** While it had a heartwarming ending (and even a few funny moments when Scott drunkenly recalls some funny events from their pasts), the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poV1FXdNq84 video]] of Wrestling/DiamondDallasPage and Wrestling/JakeRoberts calling Scott in a last desperate attempt to save him has several heart-wrenching moments. DDP is motivated to make the call after receiving a text from Wrestling/SeanWaltman saying that Scott was [[DespairEventHorizon "considering getting a gun"]] and even Page thinks there's only about a 1% chance he can help Scott, but he still has to try. Scott is clearly still drunk after another vodka breakfast, slurring his speech and sounding like a tape player with its batteries slowly running down, and is on the verge of breaking down completely, convinced he's about to die.
--->'''Scott:''' I mean it bro, I'm dying, man. I'm dying.
--->'''Jake:''' I know the feeling, man I was too, bro... I was, I was, I was wanting to go, and that ain't cool, man, because there's too many people that love us, man.
--->'''Scott:''' I'm dying, and I wanna die...
** The desperation in Jake's voice when he keeps repeating "you don't need to!" when Hall talks about said Vodka breakfast could only come from someone who knows exactly what Hall is going through right now.
** Even Dallas wasn't prepared for seeing the state Hall was at the time, he was virtually unrecognizable, bloated, pale, with stringy white hair and in a wheel chair due to his hip problems and weight gain.
** Even sadder is that he was still prone to relapses as recent as 2017. Thankfully, it wasn't to the point that he was used to, but it was still a big issue for him.
** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships with his friends and family and redefine his image in his last years, from a hopeless addict to a man who overcame his demons, and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have, passing away surrounded by his loved ones and remembered fondly by fans as both a great wrestler and a man who brought himself back from the brink.
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** There was a period of time in 2000 where Scott Hall was the most over member of the entire WCW roster despite not even being used on TV at all due to his alcoholism.

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** There was a period of time in 2000 where Scott Hall was the most over member of the entire WCW roster despite not even being used on TV at all due to his alcoholism. The crowd even popped for ''a framed picture of him'', when it was revealed to be one of the items involved in San Francisco 49ers match[[note]](basically an item-on-a-pole match in which each turnbuckle had a pole with a wooden box hung from it, with the WCW World Heavyweight title being in one of the boxes)[[/note]] on the October 2, 2000 episode of ''Nitro'', even though his last appearance for the company was at ''[=SuperBrawl=] 2000'' all the way back in February.
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** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships with his friends and family and redefine his image in his last years and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have, passing away surrounded by his loved ones and remembered fondly by fans as a man who brought himself back from the brink.

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** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships with his friends and family and redefine his image in his last years years, from a hopeless addict to a man who overcame his demons, and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have, passing away surrounded by his loved ones and remembered fondly by fans as both a great wrestler and a man who brought himself back from the brink.
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There's already a Heartwarming tab, in which this is explained in more detail.


* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: He's joined Wrestling/JakeRoberts at DDP's Accountability Crib, which had given him his longest-lasting sobriety.
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Well, going by the "Nobody even discusses Jake Roberts anymore": Hall appears to have turned his life enough that his addiction battles took second place by the time of his death (even adding later revelations that he may have relapsed before his death), so this example no longer applies (or at least not the way it is written. If someone wants to add it written another way they're free to do so.)


* NeverLiveItDown
** He's more well-known for his battles with alcoholism than his matches. Put it this way: Nobody even discusses Wrestling/JakeRoberts anymore.
-->'''[[http://wwehalloffameblog.com/category/class-of-2014/ James Ferrarella:]]''' Kevin Nash is on record as saying that he was [[YourDaysAreNumbered waiting for Scott Hall to die]]. Hall's battles with addiction are not only documented, but an major facet of his legacy.
** Which makes his career much, ''much'' HarsherInHindsight [[https://kevinnash-blog.tumblr.com/post/4798817459/remember-wrestlers-are-people-just-like-you when you consider this information]].
** Specifically, the fact that he suffers from PTSD, most likely stemming from the 1983 incident noted above.
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** Even sadder is that as of January 2017, he is still prone to relapses. Thankfully, he does not do it to the point that he used to but its still a big issue for him.

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** Even sadder is that as of January 2017, he is was still prone to relapses. relapses as recent as 2017. Thankfully, he does not do it wasn't to the point that he was used to to, but its it was still a big issue for him.
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** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships and redefine his image in his last years and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have.

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** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships with his friends and family and redefine his image in his last years and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have.have, passing away surrounded by his loved ones and remembered fondly by fans as a man who brought himself back from the brink.
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** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery.

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** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery. However, fans have at least taken comfort in knowing that he was able to get clean, rebuild his relationships and redefine his image in his last years and be given a much happier and more dignified ending than many once assumed he would have.

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* EvilIsCool: Razor Ramon is recognized as the first "cool heel" in the WWE. He wasn't a scary WrestlingMonster nor was he a slimy DirtyCoward. Razor was just a tough badass who walked the talk and had great matches. By the summer of 93, he had no choice but to turn face, changing little about his character except changing his targets to heels rather than faces.



* EvilIsCool: Razor Ramon is recognized as the first "cool heel" in the WWE. He wasn't a scary WrestlingMonster nor was he a slimy DirtyCoward. Razor was just a tough badass who walked the talk and had great matches. By the summer of 93, he had no choice but to turn face, changing little about his character except changing his targets to heels rather than faces.
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* EvilIsCool: Razor Ramon is recognized as the first "cool heel" in the WWE. He wasn't a scary WrestlingMonster nor was he a slimy DirtyCoward. Razor was just a tough badass who walked the talk and had great matches. By the summer of 93, he had no choice but to turn face, changing little about his character except changing his targets to heels rather than faces.
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* Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery.

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* ** Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery.
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** Even sadder is that as of January 2017, he is still prone to relapses. Thankfully, he does not do it to the point that he used to but its still a big issue for him.

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** Even sadder is that as of January 2017, he is still prone to relapses. Thankfully, he does not do it to the point that he used to but its still a big issue for him.him.
* Tragically, despite his long road to recovery, he passed in 2022 due to complications during surgery.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: He's joined Wrestling/JakeRoberts at DDP's Accountability Crib, and has been sober since 2014.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: He's joined Wrestling/JakeRoberts at DDP's Accountability Crib, and has been sober since 2014.which had given him his longest-lasting sobriety.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: He's joined Wrestling/JakeRoberts at DDP's Accountability Crib, and has been sober for over two months.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: He's joined Wrestling/JakeRoberts at DDP's Accountability Crib, and has been sober for over two months.since 2014.
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** Which makes his career much, ''much'' HarsherInHindsight [[http://kevinnash.tumblr.com/post/4798817459/remember-wrestlers-are-people-just-like-you when you consider this information]].

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** Which makes his career much, ''much'' HarsherInHindsight [[http://kevinnash.[[https://kevinnash-blog.tumblr.com/post/4798817459/remember-wrestlers-are-people-just-like-you when you consider this information]].
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* HopelessWithTech: In 2013, Hall got a hip replacement. One of the nurses at the hospital was a wrestling fan who told Hall that he followed him on Twitter. In fact, the "Scott Hall" the nurse followed was an impostor, because at that time, Hall had no idea what Facebook or Twitter were, and had never used the internet or even touched a computer in his entire life. Nowadays this is averted, and he maintains an online presence including Website/YouTube videos and UsefulNotes/XBox Live.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: In 1983 he shot and killed a man outside a nightclub and was prosecuted for second-degree murder. He was released due to lack of evidence, but, as he admitted in an ESPN documentary interview decades later, the incident haunted him for the rest of his life.

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* DudeNotFunny
** He was once arrested for attacking a comedian (now you can call him "Curtain Call" Hall), Jimmy Graham, at a [[TheRoast roast]] for Wrestling/TheIronSheik just after Graham told a joke related to an incident where Sheik and Wrestling/HacksawJimDuggan were caught doing cocaine together. Not, as you might think, because of the reference to drugs, but because of the punchline: "After that, his career fell faster than Wrestling/OwenHart!"
*** For reference: this is a joke you ''[[FandomBerserkButton do not fucking make.]]''
** His "Last Call" gimmick in WCW was so offensive that his ex-wife wrote an open letter to WCW slamming them for making fun of his alcoholism.



* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him [[DudeNotFunny was already bad enough]]. But it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him [[DudeNotFunny was already bad enough]].enough. But it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment.
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** The desperation in Jake's voice when he keeps repeating "you don't need to!" when Hall talks about said Vodka breakfast could only come from someone who knows exactly what Hall is going through right now.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him was already bad enough. But it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment.

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* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him [[DudeNotFunny was already bad enough.enough]]. But it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The segment in which [[Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin Steve Austin]] poured beer on him was already bad enough. But it was later learned that Scott Hall was currently on Antabuse [[note]]A drug that is used to stimulate a bad reaction to alcohol in order to fight against alcoholism.[[/note]] during the segment.
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** Even Dallas wasn't prepared for seeing the state Hall was at the time, he was virtually unrecognizable, bloated, pale, with stringy white hair and in a wheel chair due to his hip problems and weight gain.
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--->'''Scott:''' I'm dying, and I wanna die...

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--->'''Scott:''' I'm dying, and I wanna die...die...
**Even sadder is that as of January 2017, he is still prone to relapses. Thankfully, he does not do it to the point that he used to but its still a big issue for him.
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---> '''Scott:''' There's gotta be some reason that I'm still here. Because I should've been dead a hundred times...I should've been dead a hundred times.

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---> '''Scott:''' There's gotta be some reason that I'm still here. Because I should've been dead a hundred times...I should've been dead a hundred times.times.
** While it had a heartwarming ending (and even a few funny moments when Scott drunkenly recalls some funny events from their pasts), the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poV1FXdNq84 video]] of Wrestling/DiamondDallasPage and Wrestling/JakeRoberts calling Scott in a last desperate attempt to save him has several heart-wrenching moments. DDP is motivated to make the call after receiving a text from Wrestling/SeanWaltman saying that Scott was [[DespairEventHorizon "considering getting a gun"]] and even Page thinks there's only about a 1% chance he can help Scott, but he still has to try. Scott is clearly still drunk after another vodka breakfast, slurring his speech and sounding like a tape player with its batteries slowly running down, and is on the verge of breaking down completely, convinced he's about to die.
--->'''Scott:''' I mean it bro, I'm dying, man. I'm dying.
--->'''Jake:''' I know the feeling, man I was too, bro... I was, I was, I was wanting to go, and that ain't cool, man, because there's too many people that love us, man.
--->'''Scott:''' I'm dying, and I wanna die...
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*** For reference: this is a joke you ''[[FandomBerserkButton do not fucking make.]]''
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Badass is no longer a trope.


** Even in WWE he was this trope. As Razor Ramon, he was just some two-bit thug who was brought in as a stooge for Wrestling/RicFlair, but he acted like such a {{Badass}} that the fans turned him face.

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** Even in WWE he was this trope. As Razor Ramon, he was just some two-bit thug who was brought in as a stooge for Wrestling/RicFlair, but he acted like such a {{Badass}} badass that the fans turned him face.

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** The documentary made by ESPN about him. In his own words, Hall explains many of his problems and where they have originated. Made even worse several days later when TMZ reported that every positive moment from 2011 they filmed didn't pan out well.
** The tape also showed Sean "X-Pac" Waltman looking at the footage, and questioning why the hell the promoter of the April 8th match would send Scott out, and why the man denies any real acknowledgment of the human being. It culminates with a [[PrecisionFStrike "fuck you"]] to the asshole in question. It's tearjerking because it's one of the few times Waltman has publicly spoken out about Hall's downward spiral.

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** The documentary made by ESPN about him. him.
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In his own words, Hall explains many of his problems and where they have originated. Made even worse several days later when TMZ reported that every positive moment from 2011 they filmed didn't pan out well.
** *** The tape also showed Sean "X-Pac" Waltman looking at the footage, and questioning why the hell the promoter of the April 8th match would send Scott out, and why the man denies any real acknowledgment of the human being. It culminates with a [[PrecisionFStrike "fuck you"]] to the asshole in question. It's tearjerking because it's one of the few times Waltman has publicly spoken out about Hall's downward spiral.



--> '''Scott:''' There's gotta be some reason that I'm still here. Because I should've been dead a hundred times...I should've been dead a hundred times.

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--> ---> '''Scott:''' There's gotta be some reason that I'm still here. Because I should've been dead a hundred times...I should've been dead a hundred times.

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