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Confirmed by the creators in the S5 finale commentary.


* EsotericHappyEnding: Aside from Lila getting the Butterfly Miraculous, the ending is presented as a happy one, with Monarch gone and everyone's lives becoming better. However, for all intents and purposes, Gabriel ended the season without answering for any of his crimes -- even with his death, he's achieved his main goal (getting to use a Wish), his son still loves him despite all of his abuse, the rest of Paris sees him as a hero and a martyr, and the only people who know he was Monarch aren't telling anyone for now. On top of that, Tomoe is still free to go through with her own plans (which unlike Lila doesn't even get mentioned). As such, many fans ended up seeing it as more of a BittersweetEnding at best.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: Aside from Lila getting the Butterfly Miraculous, the ending is presented as a happy one, with Monarch gone and everyone's lives becoming better. However, for all intents and purposes, Gabriel ended the season without answering for any of his crimes -- even with his death, he's achieved his main goal (getting to use a Wish), (reuniting with his wife), his son still loves him despite all of his abuse, the rest of Paris sees him as a hero and a martyr, and the only people who know he was Monarch aren't telling anyone for now. On top of that, Tomoe (who also knows about it) is still free to go through with her own plans (which plans, which unlike with Lila doesn't do not even get mentioned).mentioned. As such, many fans ended up seeing it as more of a BittersweetEnding at best.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The episode ends not only with Adrien never finding out that his father was Monarch, but him only remembering when he tried to be a good father, as per Gabriel's request to Marinette. A few fans found issue with this, believing that since the season had been working towards Adrien growing more and more independent of his father, it would've been more thematically appropriate for him to learn about Monarch and decide for himself how he would remember him.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The episode ends not only with Adrien never finding out that his father was Monarch, Monarch or even fighting in the final battle, but him only remembering when he tried to be a good father, as per Gabriel's request to Marinette. A few fans found issue with this, believing especially since Adrien is considered to be the center of the plot while still rarely getting focus, and a battle between him and Monarch would’ve been impactful. These fans believe that since the season had been working towards Adrien growing more and more independent of his father, it would've been more thematically appropriate for him to learn about Monarch Monarch, fight him, and decide for himself how he would remember him.
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** The writing team has made two debriefing videos for the two-parter S5 finale. They confirmed some of the white liés about Gabriel will be adresses in S6. Given the show's usually strong stance about lying, it's not so surprising.
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** The writing team has made two debriefing videos for the two-parter S5 finale. They confirmed some of the white liés about Gabriel will be adresses in S6. Given the show's usually strong stance about lying, it's not so surprising.
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* DesignatedHero: There are detractors who find issue with Félix[=/=]Argos becoming an official Miraculous Hero despite never facing consequences for stealing the Miraculous of his new teammates to trade with Gabriel or even apologizing to them or Ladybug. It also doesn't help that [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse they never show what he was doing]] during the Miraculized Attack unlike the Resistance, Su-Han and his disciples and United Heroez who were actually involved in the grand battle.

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* DesignatedHero: There are detractors who find take issue with Félix[=/=]Argos becoming an official Miraculous Hero despite never facing consequences for stealing the Miraculous of his new teammates to trade with Gabriel or even apologizing to them or Ladybug. It also doesn't help that [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse they never show what he was doing]] during the Miraculized Attack unlike the Resistance, Su-Han and his disciples and United Heroez who were actually involved in the grand battle.



** Gimmi makes it clear that EquivalentExchange is very much obligatory for their wishes, and Gabriel eventually wishes for both Nathalie and Emilie to be healed and restored. We already know he sacrificed himself, but who's the other person that got sacrificed?

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** Gimmi makes it clear that EquivalentExchange is very much obligatory for their wishes, and Gabriel eventually wishes for wishes. The episode does not state Gabriel's wish explicitly, but many viewers believe that he healed both Nathalie and Emilie to be healed and restored. We already know he sacrificed himself, but Emilie, which would require a second sacrifice beyond Gabriel himself. Assuming that isn't '''A'''melie in the epilogue, who's the other person that got sacrificed?
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The implication is that she acquired it during the Time Skip, which gives her two months to gather the equipment she needs to get down there (assuming the damage wasn’t fixed with the world) before Ladybug.


* FridgeLogic: It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s very confusing for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did Lila even get down there? Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Chloe was frustrated about rarely being given the Bee Miraculous and grew too impatient. HER actions led to a chain of events that made Marinette give them to their holders permanently, Chloe being not one of them.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Chloe Chloé was frustrated about rarely being given the Bee Miraculous due to her identity being publicly known, and grew too impatient. HER impatient and resentful of this. Ironically, ''her'' actions and betrayal at the end of season 3 led to a chain of events that made resulted in Marinette give them eventually giving all the Miraculous to their holders permanently, Chloe with Chloé ''not'' being not one of them.
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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal said minute. Thesame also applies to Tikki and Plagg's true forms that appear for ''even less'' time.

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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal said minute. Thesame The same also applies to Tikki and Plagg's true forms that appear for ''even less'' time.
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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal said minute.This also applies to Tikki and Plagg's true formsthat appear for ''even less'' time.

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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal said minute.This Thesame also applies to Tikki and Plagg's true formsthat forms that appear for ''even less'' time.
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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal said minute.

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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal said minute.This also applies to Tikki and Plagg's true formsthat appear for ''even less'' time.
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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal it.

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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal it.said minute.
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* OneSceneWonder: Gimmi only has around one minute of screentime nearly the end, but boy do they steal it.

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* AssPull:
** It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication".

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AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication".
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It was already deleted with an edit reason; no one knows how it is Ass Pull.


** Lila getting her hands on the Butterfly Miraculous. The only applicable explanation to her being able to reach the spot where the thing fell and thus was able to steal it [[DragonAscendant and become the new Big Bad of the show]] is "because the writers said so".

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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication".

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It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication"."Multiplication".
** Lila getting her hands on the Butterfly Miraculous. The only applicable explanation to her being able to reach the spot where the thing fell and thus was able to steal it [[DragonAscendant and become the new Big Bad of the show]] is "because the writers said so".
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* HilariousInHindsight: Chloe was frustrated about rarely being given the Bee Miraculous and grew too impatient. HER actions led to a chain of events that made Marinette give them to their holders permanently, Chloe being not one of them.

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i agree with every fiber of my being that its confusing but how is it an Ass Pull


* AssPull:
** It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication".
** It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did Lila even get down there? Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.

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AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication".
** It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did Lila even get down there? Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.
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* FridgeLogic: It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s very confusing for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did Lila even get down there? Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.
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** ** It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did Lila even get down there? Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.

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** ** It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did Lila even get down there? Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.
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** Lila somehow managing to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the hole leading to the secret chamber, so how did she even get down there? Also, she wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.

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** ** It’s revealed at the end that Lila somehow managing managed to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion mansion, which was established as being the only way someone with no powers could get in there, got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the cataclysm-induced hole leading to the secret chamber, chamber that Marinette made earlier, so how did she Lila even get down there? Also, she Keep in mind that Lila wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there faster either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.
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** Lila somehow managing to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her, for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the hole leading to the secret chamber, so FridgeLogic how did she even get down there? Also, she wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there either.

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** Lila somehow managing to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her, her. It’s a big case of FridgeLogic for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the hole leading to the secret chamber, so FridgeLogic how did she even get down there? Also, she wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there either.either. All she was shown to have with her was her laptop, and basically nothing else.

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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication".

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It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Multiplication"."Multiplication".
** Lila somehow managing to obtain the Butterfly miraculous without either Gabriel or Marinette noticing her, for two reasons: One, the elevator that lead down to the underground chamber in Gabriel’s mansion got destroyed in the big fight between Bug Noir and Monarch. Two, Lila wasn’t shown to have any equipment that could’ve allowed her to climb/rappel down the hole leading to the secret chamber, so FridgeLogic how did she even get down there? Also, she wasn’t even akumatized or had any miraculous with her, so she had no powers that could’ve helped her get down there either.
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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Evolution".

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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since "Evolution"."Multiplication".
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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it not's out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since Evolution.

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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it not's it's not out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since Evolution."Evolution".
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* AssPull: It's revealed that Su-Han has decided to take up Luka, Jagged Stone, and Penny as apprentices of Mirakung Fu. While it not's out of the realm of possibility that Jagged's world tour would eventually lead him to where Su-Han was, it's still rather shocking to see this development, especially since Su-Han hasn't been seen since Evolution.
* CatharsisFactor:
** For Adrien's fans, the new reality has him no longer under Gabriel's thumb, allowing the boy to finally be free from the oppressive atmosphere that's been placed upon him since the start of the series.
** For the Love Square fans who wanted Adrien and Marinette to get together, the episode finally has them become boyfriend and girlfriend, sealing it with a kiss that goes completely uninterrupted.


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** We end up seeing Tikki and Plagg's true forms, which are gigantic, angelic-like beings. How do the ''other'' Kwamis look in their true forms?
** Gimmi is confirmed to be the fusion of Plagg and Tikki. Considering the multiple unifications we've seen before this point, are there other "fusion" Kwami created from these specific unions? If so, what are their names and concepts?
** Gimmi makes it clear that EquivalentExchange is very much obligatory for their wishes, and Gabriel eventually wishes for both Nathalie and Emilie to be healed and restored. We already know he sacrificed himself, but who's the other person that got sacrificed?

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* DesignatedHero: There are detractors who find issue with Félix[=/=]Argos becoming an official Miraculous Hero despite never facing consequences for stealing the Miraculous of his new teammates to trade with Gabriel or even apologizing to them or Ladybug. It also doesn't help that [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse they never show what he was doing]] during the Miraculized Attack unlike the Resistance, Su-Han and his disciples and United Heroez who were actually involved in the grand battle.



* FanficFuel: The season ends with a brand new reality being created by the Wish. What are the changes between the previous one and the new one?

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** How much information did Lila pick up from Bug Noire and Gabriel's conversation while stealing her new Miraculous?
** How did Su-Han meet with Luka and began to train him, Jagged and Penny?
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGood: The episode ends not only with Adrien never finding out that his father was Monarch, but him only remembering when he tried to be a good father, as per Gabriel's request to Marinette. A few fans found issue with this, believing that since the season had been working towards Adrien growing more and more independent of his father, it would've been more thematically appropriate for him to learn about Monarch and decide for himself how he would remember him.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGood: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The episode ends not only with Adrien never finding out that his father was Monarch, but him only remembering when he tried to be a good father, as per Gabriel's request to Marinette. A few fans found issue with this, believing that since the season had been working towards Adrien growing more and more independent of his father, it would've been more thematically appropriate for him to learn about Monarch and decide for himself how he would remember him.
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* FanficFuel: The season ends with a brand new reality being created by the Wish. What are the changes between the previous one and the new one?
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGood: The episode ends not only with Adrien never finding out that his father was Monarch, but him only remembering when he tried to be a good father, as per Gabriel's request to Marinette. A few fans found issue with this, believing that since the season had been working towards Adrien growing more and more independent of his father, it would've been more thematically appropriate for him to learn about Monarch and decide for himself how he would remember him.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Aside from Lila getting the Butterfly Miraculous, the ending is presented as a happy one, with Monarch gone and everyone's lives becoming better. However, for all intents and purposes, Gabriel ended the season without answering for any of his crimes -- even with his death, he's achieved his main goal (getting to use a Wish), his son still loves him despite all of his abuse, the rest of Paris sees him as a hero and a martyr, and the only people who know he was Monarch aren't telling anyone. On top of that, Tomoe is still free to go through with her own plans (which unlike Lila doesn't even get mentioned). As such, many fans ended up seeing it as more of a BittersweetEnding at best.

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* EsotericHappyEnding: Aside from Lila getting the Butterfly Miraculous, the ending is presented as a happy one, with Monarch gone and everyone's lives becoming better. However, for all intents and purposes, Gabriel ended the season without answering for any of his crimes -- even with his death, he's achieved his main goal (getting to use a Wish), his son still loves him despite all of his abuse, the rest of Paris sees him as a hero and a martyr, and the only people who know he was Monarch aren't telling anyone.anyone for now. On top of that, Tomoe is still free to go through with her own plans (which unlike Lila doesn't even get mentioned). As such, many fans ended up seeing it as more of a BittersweetEnding at best.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Aside from Lila getting the Butterfly Miraculous, the ending is presented as a happy one, with Monarch gone and everyone's lives becoming better. However, for all intents and purposes, Gabriel ended the season without answering for any of his crimes -- even with his death, he's achieved his main goal (getting to use a Wish), his son still loves him despite all of his abuse, the rest of Paris sees him as a hero and a martyr, and the only people who know he was Monarch aren't telling anyone. On top of that, Tomoe is still free to go through with her own plans (which unlike Lila doesn't even get mentioned). As such, many fans ended up seeing it as more of a BittersweetEnding at best.
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