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* FanNickname: [[Creator/BenCroshaw Yahtzee]] of ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' would often call the game ''Five Abrasive Dipshits Who Never Shut the Fuck Up... Hill'' (after the first game of the ''VideoGame/SilentHill'' franchise).

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* FanNickname: [[Creator/BenCroshaw Yahtzee]] of ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' would often call the game ''Five Abrasive Dipshits Who Never Shut the Fuck Up... Hill'' (after the first game of the ''VideoGame/SilentHill'' franchise).''VideoGame/SilentHill1'').
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Simon Carver]] is the [[SinisterMinister reverend]] of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft. These innocents are then [[CruelAndUnusualDeath executed in horrific ways]] with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. [[WouldHurtAChild Carver]] would then accuse Mary of being a witch, and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed, he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being [[BurnTheWitch burned alive]].]]
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** The battle in front of the Ruined House with John and Angela (If she stayed behind help). Like with the aforementioned chase involving Taylor and Daniel, it is a very intense and high paced scene as it shifts control back and forth between the two as they help each other escape from the demons of Amy and Joseph.

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** The battle in front of the Ruined House with John and Angela (If she stayed behind help).Angela. Like with the aforementioned chase involving Taylor and Daniel, it is a very intense and high paced scene as it shifts control back and forth between the two as they help each other escape from the demons of Amy and Joseph.



* FanDislikedExplanation: [[spoiler:Quite a few fans disliked the "It was all in Anthony's head" explanation that the game gave. Many fans preferred the quite common theory that the protagonists were trapped in some sort of time loop caused by Reverend Carver, and that they would keep getting reincarnated over and over and dying the same way unless they found a way to break the loop and free themselves.]]

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* FanDislikedExplanation: [[spoiler:Quite a few fans disliked the "It "it was all in Anthony's head" explanation that the game gave. Many fans preferred the quite common theory that the protagonists were trapped in some sort of time loop caused by Reverend Carver, and that they would keep getting reincarnated over and over and dying the same way unless they found a way to break the loop and free themselves.]]
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** The battle in front of the Ruined House with John and Angela (If she stayed behind help). Like with the aforementioned chase involving Taylor and Daniel, it is a very intense and high paced scene as it shifts control back and forth between the two as they help each other escape from the demons of Amy and Joseph.
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* ''VideoGame/LittleHope'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Simon Carver]] is the [[SinisterMinister reverend]] of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft. These innocents are then [[CruelAndUnusualDeath executed in horrific ways]] with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. [[WouldHurtAChild Carver]] would then accuse Mary of being a witch, and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed, he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being [[BurnTheWitch burned alive]].]]

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* ''VideoGame/LittleHope'': *CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Simon Carver]] is the [[SinisterMinister reverend]] of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft. These innocents are then [[CruelAndUnusualDeath executed in horrific ways]] with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. [[WouldHurtAChild Carver]] would then accuse Mary of being a witch, and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed, he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being [[BurnTheWitch burned alive]].]]
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* ''VideoGame/LittleHope'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Simon Carver]] is the [[SinisterMinister reverend]] of Little Hope who forces the child, Mary Milton, to accuse innocent people of committing witchcraft. These innocents are then [[CruelAndUnusualDeath executed in horrific ways]] with Amy chained up and drowning to death, Tanya either being hanged or burned on the stake, David impaled by a fence, and Joshua being pressed by stones. [[WouldHurtAChild Carver]] would then accuse Mary of being a witch, and if Carver succeeds in getting Mary executed, he smiles sadistically while watching Mary being [[BurnTheWitch burned alive]].]]
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* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** On PC, the "Stay Calm" mini-game now uses a mouse click rather than a button press, making them much simpler. The slight input lag on the [=PS4=] version that rendered some late-game "Stay Calm" sections almost impossible to complete in ''Man of Medan'' seems to have also been addressed.
** In all versions of the game there are also new icons that indicate a QTE is incoming, rather than just throwing the player straight into one with no warning.[[note]]Some players have welcomed the change since the [=QTEs=] themselves are often ''very'' quick, though others have complained it's now ''too'' easy.[[/note]] Single-press vs button-mash [=QTEs=] are also displayed differently, making it easier to tell what you're meant to be doing (this was an especially common and annoying way of losing a character right at the end of ''Man of Medan'').
** The player now has more control over the camera angles and characters can be made to walk faster, addressing a common complaint against both ''Man of Medan'' and ''VideoGame/UntilDawn''. {{Downplayed|Trope}}, however, in that while these changes were emphasized during development, in the end many camera angles remained fixed and the walking speeds were only slightly improved.
** ''VideoGame/ManOfMedan'' had a plot that, while understandable, felt more like disjointed vignettes with a PinballProtagonist. Little Hope, by contrast, has a central plot that has the characters moving towards that goal.
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* FanNickname: [[Creator/BenCroshaw Yahtzee]] of ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'' would often call the game ''Five Abrasive Dipshits Who Never Shut the Fuck Up... Hill'' (after the first game of the ''VideoGame/SilentHill'' franchise).
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** Mary Milton: Did she [[spoiler:accuse Amy of witchcraft because Mary despised her? Because Mary feared Amy would reveal her secret? Because Carver told her to do it and he was her priest? Or was she afraid of Carver? She also begs Carver to spare David. Is this because witnessing Tabitha's brutal execution made her realize what she was doing? Because she realized Carver would never stop using her confessions to kill people? Or because she witnessed Daniel, who looks like David, trying to save her. Or perhaps David was her blood sibling and she didn't want to lose her last family member: Tabitha is referred to as her sister, but in the 1690's, Tabitha would've been referred to as Mary's sister if she was married to David.]]
** Megan Clarke: [[spoiler:Did she use the doll to start the fire deliberately? Or was it an accident as the police stated. Were Anne, Dennis, and Tanya the victims of circumstance, or did Megan engineer the attempts to ensure they'd die in the blaze? Evidence against Megan setting the blaze includes the fact that the spare key was in the clock, which would've been very hard for Megan to return to the clock if she set the blaze herself. Evidence for it includes the fact that Megan was the last person seen in all of the places, and Anne was definitely locked in the bathroom.]]
** The "shadow" talking to Megan just before the blaze: [[spoiler:Was it actually a devil? Did Megan develop a mental illness due to being abused by a PedophilePriest? Or was she already suffering from it and the priest just made it worse? Or did Anthony hallucinate the whole thing because he's desperate to attach a reason to his family's death.]]

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** Mary Milton: Did she [[spoiler:accuse Amy of witchcraft because Mary despised her? Because Mary feared Amy would reveal her secret? Because Carver told her to do it and he was her priest? Or was she afraid of Carver? She also begs Carver to spare David. Is this because witnessing Tabitha's brutal execution made her realize what she was doing? Because she realized Carver would never stop using her confessions to kill people? Or because she witnessed Daniel, who looks like David, trying to save her. her? Or perhaps David was her blood sibling and she didn't want to lose her last family member: Tabitha is referred to as her sister, but in the 1690's, Tabitha would've been referred to as Mary's sister if she was married to David.]]
** Megan Clarke: [[spoiler:Did she use the doll to start the fire deliberately? Or was it an accident as the police stated. stated? Were Anne, Dennis, and Tanya the victims of circumstance, or did Megan engineer the attempts to ensure they'd die in the blaze? Evidence against Megan setting the blaze includes the fact that the spare key was in the clock, which would've been very hard for Megan to return to the clock if she set the blaze herself. Evidence for it includes the fact that Megan was the last person seen in all of the places, and Anne was definitely locked in the bathroom.]]
** The "shadow" talking to Megan just before the blaze: [[spoiler:Was it actually a devil? Did Megan develop a mental illness due to being abused by a PedophilePriest? Or was she already suffering from it and the priest just made it worse? Or did Anthony hallucinate the whole thing because he's desperate to attach a reason to his family's death.]]death?]]



** The player now has more control over the camera angles and characters can be made to walk faster, addressing a common complaint against both ''Man of Medan'' and ''VideoGame/UntilDawn''. {{Downplayed}}, however, in that while these changes were emphasized during development, in the end many camera angles remained fixed and the walking speeds were only slightly improved.

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** The player now has more control over the camera angles and characters can be made to walk faster, addressing a common complaint against both ''Man of Medan'' and ''VideoGame/UntilDawn''. {{Downplayed}}, {{Downplayed|Trope}}, however, in that while these changes were emphasized during development, in the end many camera angles remained fixed and the walking speeds were only slightly improved.



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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: [[spoiler:A lot of criticism of ''The Dark Pictures Anthology'' as a whole now centers around the fact that both ''Man of Medan'' and ''Little Hope'' have the same basic twist: that the characters are just hallucinating the supernatural elements. It plays out quite differently in both games and opinions are divided on which story did it better, but the fact that they both boil down to the same core concept has left some players less than impressed, especially since there are six planned games left in the series that might now be expected to follow suit.]]

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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: ItsTheSameNowItSucks: [[spoiler:A lot of criticism of ''The Dark Pictures Anthology'' as a whole now centers around the fact that both ''Man of Medan'' and ''Little Hope'' have the same basic twist: that the characters are just hallucinating the supernatural elements. It plays out quite differently in both games and opinions are divided on which story did it better, but the fact that they both boil down to the same core concept has left some players less than impressed, especially since there are six planned games left in the series that might now be expected to follow suit.]]
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* RealismInducedHorror: [[spoiler: While there is heavy foreshadowing that supernatural elements may have been the reason behind it, the game's first scene that has the horror level at its most intense is when Anthony discovers that his house is on fire with the rest of his family trapped inside. What's worse is that he's the only member of his family to survive it]].

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* RealismInducedHorror: [[spoiler: While there is heavy foreshadowing that supernatural elements may have been the reason behind it, the game's first scene that has the horror level at its most intense is when Anthony discovers that his house is on fire with the rest of his family trapped inside. What's worse is that he's the only member of his family one to survive it]].while everyone else dies a cruel death (being crushed by flaming debris, inhaling too much smoke, getting completely burned and fatally falling from a tall height while trying to climb to safety)]].
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* EndingAversion: [[spoiler:The revelation that virtually everything that happens in the story is just Anthony hallucinating due to a combination of head trauma and guilt ruined what was an otherwise well-done supernatural horror story for some players, for three reasons: the twist itself has been done countless times (and very similarly); it undermines the meaning of most the choices/consequences in the game; and ''Man of Medan'' already had a similar twist that, while controversial at the time, is wildly agreed to have been executed ''far'' better in retrospect.]]
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** Reverend Carver. Who is so over the top evil that his scenes can be hard to take seriously without snickering at him obvious evilness.

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** Reverend Carver. Who is so over the top evil that his scenes can be hard to take seriously without snickering at him his obvious evilness.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler: Even if the player gets the best ending where everyone made it to the diner scene, there`s a strong probability that Anthony might end up getting fired given that his boss and/or company won`t be happy to hear that he crashed and wrecked the bus he was driving]].

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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler: Even if the player gets the best ending where everyone made it to the diner scene, there`s there's a strong probability that Anthony might end up getting fired given that his boss and/or company won`t won't be happy to hear that he crashed and wrecked the bus he was driving]].

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* CaptainObviousReveal: [[spoiler:Simon Carver]] being the true BigBad would be shocking...if he wasn't ''ridiculously'' and cartoonishly evil. It's obvious from the start he's a scumbag, despite the game trying to make you wonder if it's him or Mary.



* {{Narm}}: While the house fire in the prologue is genuinely horrific, Tanya's death is so contrived it almost robs the scene of all its gravitas. She's "trapped" on the balcony outside her house - a balcony that's barely on the second floor. Even if she flat-out jumped from there, she wouldn't be at much risk of even breaking her legs, but instead of just dropping down off the edge, she'll either [[TooDumbToLive crawl back into the burning house]] or try to shimmy down the drainpipe and somehow have her neck be instantly snapped by her scarf, depending on the player's choices, and either death is pretty ridiculous.

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While the house fire in the prologue is genuinely horrific, Tanya's death is so contrived it almost robs the scene of all its gravitas. She's "trapped" on the balcony outside her house - a balcony that's barely on the second floor. Even if she flat-out jumped from there, she wouldn't be at much risk of even breaking her legs, but instead of just dropping down off the edge, she'll either [[TooDumbToLive crawl back into the burning house]] or try to shimmy down the drainpipe and somehow have her neck be instantly snapped by her scarf, depending on the player's choices, and either death is pretty ridiculous.ridiculous.
** Reverend Carver. Who is so over the top evil that his scenes can be hard to take seriously without snickering at him obvious evilness.
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** The battle at the churchyard, when both David and Tabitha's demons show up for a battle between Daniel, Andrew, and Tabitha on one side and the two demons on the other.

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** The battle at the churchyard, when both David and Tabitha's demons show up for a battle between Daniel, Andrew, and Tabitha Taylor on one side and the two demons on the other.
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* WritersCannotDoMath: A possible case. According to the ages given for them in the prologue [[spoiler:and present-day character intros]], [[spoiler:Anthony]] would be 66 in 2020, while [[spoiler:Vince, assuming he's roughly Tanya's age,]] would be around 70. Their present-day character models are middle-aged in appearance but not exactly elderly looking, and given the lives they've lived it seems ''highly'' unlikely that they'd both be YoungerThanTheyLook by this stage.

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* WritersCannotDoMath: A possible case. According to the ages given for them in the prologue [[spoiler:and present-day character intros]], [[spoiler:Anthony]] would be 66 in 2020, while [[spoiler:Vince, assuming he's roughly Tanya's age,]] would be around 70. Their present-day character models are middle-aged in appearance but not exactly elderly looking, and given the lives they've lived it seems ''highly'' unlikely that they'd both be YoungerThanTheyLook OlderThanTheyLook by this stage.
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* NightmareFuel: The deaths of almost the entire Clarke family in only the span of a few minutes. In detail, [[spoiler: John is crushed under a collapsed ceiling, his body broken. Anne dies of smoke inhalation locked in the bathroom, coughing up blood. Megan burns to death. Tanya either goes back inside the house and burns to death or tries to climb down the water pipe outside, being hung when her scarf gets caught on the railing. Dennis attempts to climb from the attic to the balcony, slips and is impaled on a spiked fence. And Anthony can do nothing but watch the entire time.]]

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* NightmareFuel: The deaths of almost the entire Clarke family in only the span of a few minutes. In detail, [[spoiler: John James is crushed under a collapsed ceiling, his body broken. Anne dies of smoke inhalation locked in the bathroom, coughing up blood. Megan burns to death. Tanya either goes back inside the house and burns to death or tries to climb down the water pipe outside, being hung when her scarf gets caught on the railing. Dennis attempts to climb from the attic to the balcony, slips and is impaled on a spiked fence. And Anthony can do nothing but watch the entire time.]]
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* EsotericHappyEnding: [[spoiler: Even if the player gets the best ending where everyone made it to the diner scene, there`s a strong probability that Anthony might end up getting fired given that his boss and/or company won`t be happy to hear that he crashed and wrecked the bus he was driving]].
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** Mary Milton: Did she [[spoiler:accuse Amy of witchcraft because Mary despised her? Because Mary feared Amy would reveal her secret? Because Carver told her to do it and he was her priest? Or was she afraid of Carver? She also begs Carver to spare David. Is this because witnessing Tabitha's brutal execution made her realize what she was doing? Because she realized Carver would never stop using her confessions to kill people? Or because she witnessed Daniel, who looks like David, trying to save her. Or perhaps David was her blood sibling and she didn't want to lose her last family member: Tabitha is referred to as her relative, but in the 1690's, Tabitha would've been referred to as Mary's sister if she was married to David.]]
** Megan Clarke: [[spoiler:Did she use the doll to start the fire deliberately? Or was it an accident as the police stated. Were Anne, Dennis, and Tanya the victims of circumstance, or did Megan engineer the attempts to ensure they'd die in the blaze? Evidence against Megan setting the blaze includes the fact that the spare key was in the clock, which would've been very hard for Megan to return to the clock if she set the blaze herself. Evidence for it includes the fact that Megan was the last person seen in all of the places.]]

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** Mary Milton: Did she [[spoiler:accuse Amy of witchcraft because Mary despised her? Because Mary feared Amy would reveal her secret? Because Carver told her to do it and he was her priest? Or was she afraid of Carver? She also begs Carver to spare David. Is this because witnessing Tabitha's brutal execution made her realize what she was doing? Because she realized Carver would never stop using her confessions to kill people? Or because she witnessed Daniel, who looks like David, trying to save her. Or perhaps David was her blood sibling and she didn't want to lose her last family member: Tabitha is referred to as her relative, sister, but in the 1690's, Tabitha would've been referred to as Mary's sister if she was married to David.]]
** Megan Clarke: [[spoiler:Did she use the doll to start the fire deliberately? Or was it an accident as the police stated. Were Anne, Dennis, and Tanya the victims of circumstance, or did Megan engineer the attempts to ensure they'd die in the blaze? Evidence against Megan setting the blaze includes the fact that the spare key was in the clock, which would've been very hard for Megan to return to the clock if she set the blaze herself. Evidence for it includes the fact that Megan was the last person seen in all of the places.places, and Anne was definitely locked in the bathroom.]]
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** Mary Milton: Did she [[spoiler:accuse Amy of witchcraft because Mary despised her? Because Mary feared Amy would reveal her secret? Because Carver told her to do it and he was her priest? Or was she afraid of Carver? She also begs Carver to spare David. Is this because witnessing Tabitha's brutal execution made her realize what she was doing? Because she realized Carver would never stop using her confessions to kill people? Or because she witnessed Daniel, who looks like David, trying to save her. Or perhaps David was her blood sibling and she didn't want to lose her last family member: Tabitha is referred to as her relative, but in the 1690's, Tabitha would've been referred to as Mary's sister if she was married to David.]]
** Megan Clarke: [[spoiler:Did she use the doll to start the fire deliberately? Or was it an accident as the police stated. Were Anne, Dennis, and Tanya the victims of circumstance, or did Megan engineer the attempts to ensure they'd die in the blaze? Evidence against Megan setting the blaze includes the fact that the spare key was in the clock, which would've been very hard for Megan to return to the clock if she set the blaze herself. Evidence for it includes the fact that Megan was the last person seen in all of the places.]]
** The "shadow" talking to Megan just before the blaze: [[spoiler:Was it actually a devil? Did Megan develop a mental illness due to being abused by a PedophilePriest? Or was she already suffering from it and the priest just made it worse? Or did Anthony hallucinate the whole thing because he's desperate to attach a reason to his family's death.]]

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** The player now has more control over the camera angles and characters can be made to walk faster, addressing a common complaint against both ''Man of Medan'' and ''VideoGame/UntilDawn''. {{Downplayed}}, however, in that while these changes were emphasised during development, in the end many camera angles remained fixed and the walking speeds were only slightly improved.

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** The player now has more control over the camera angles and characters can be made to walk faster, addressing a common complaint against both ''Man of Medan'' and ''VideoGame/UntilDawn''. {{Downplayed}}, however, in that while these changes were emphasised emphasized during development, in the end many camera angles remained fixed and the walking speeds were only slightly improved.



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** Daniel and Taylor's escape from the demon at Tabitha's execution site. The pace is frantic and shifts rapidly between the two of them as they try to escape.
** The battle at the churchyard, when both David and Tabitha's demons show up for a battle between Daniel, Andrew, and Tabitha on one side and the two demons on the other.



* FanDislikedExplanation: [[spoiler:Quite a few fans disliked the "It was all in Anthony's head" explanation that the game gave. Many fans preferred the quite common theory that the protagonists were trapped in some sort of time loop caused by Reverand Carver, and that they would keep getting reincarnated over and over and dying the same way unless they found a way to break the loop and free themselves.]]
* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: [[spoiler:A lot of criticism of ''The Dark Pictures Anthology'' as a whole now centres around the fact that both ''Man of Medan'' and ''Little Hope'' have the same basic twist: that the characters are just hallucinating the supernatural elements. It plays out quite differently in both games and opinions are divided on which story did it better, but the fact that they both boil down to the same core concept has left some players less than impressed, especially since there are six planned games left in the series that might now be expected to follow suit.]]

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* FanDislikedExplanation: [[spoiler:Quite a few fans disliked the "It was all in Anthony's head" explanation that the game gave. Many fans preferred the quite common theory that the protagonists were trapped in some sort of time loop caused by Reverand Reverend Carver, and that they would keep getting reincarnated over and over and dying the same way unless they found a way to break the loop and free themselves.]]
* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: [[spoiler:A lot of criticism of ''The Dark Pictures Anthology'' as a whole now centres centers around the fact that both ''Man of Medan'' and ''Little Hope'' have the same basic twist: that the characters are just hallucinating the supernatural elements. It plays out quite differently in both games and opinions are divided on which story did it better, but the fact that they both boil down to the same core concept has left some players less than impressed, especially since there are six planned games left in the series that might now be expected to follow suit.]]



* WritersCannotDoMath: A possible case. According to the ages given for them in the prologue [[spoiler:and present-day character intros]], [[spoiler:Anthony]] would be 66 in 2020, while [[spoiler:Vince, assuming he's roughly Tanya's age,]] would be around 70. Their present-day character models are middle-aged in appearance but not exactly elderly looking, and given the lives they've lived it seems ''highly'' unlikely that they'd both be OlderThanTheyLook by this stage.

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* WritersCannotDoMath: A possible case. According to the ages given for them in the prologue [[spoiler:and present-day character intros]], [[spoiler:Anthony]] would be 66 in 2020, while [[spoiler:Vince, assuming he's roughly Tanya's age,]] would be around 70. Their present-day character models are middle-aged in appearance but not exactly elderly looking, and given the lives they've lived it seems ''highly'' unlikely that they'd both be OlderThanTheyLook YoungerThanTheyLook by this stage.

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