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** The Lucifer/Husk ship is called [=RoyalFlush=] (named after the Silva Hound fansong centering Husk)



** Vox is a cruel, exploitative CorruptCorporateExecutive who hypnotizes entire masses into buying his morally-questionable products, doesn't seem to care about his teammate and implicit boyfriend Valentino's sexual abuser habits, and he spitefully outright shrieks at Sir Pentious to kill himself in the second episode for failing so quickly at a task. But he has a suave and charming personality, with a ''very'' smooth voice courtesy of Creator/ChristianBorle -- an effect that's heightened by how he seems to be the minder to Val's impulses -- and his exasperation at being forced to babysit his teammates when they're in a bad mood makes him come across as very human and relatable. It also helps that he has an ''intense'' obsessive rivalry with Alastor, but his insecure if stylish efforts to undermine the Radio Demon in their QuarrelingSong and the final outcome of that make Vox's efforts to outdo Al come across as nothing but ''cute''.

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** Vox is a cruel, exploitative CorruptCorporateExecutive who hypnotizes entire masses into buying his morally-questionable products, doesn't seem to care about his teammate and implicit boyfriend Valentino's sexual abuser habits, and he spitefully outright shrieks at Sir Pentious to kill himself grow and change as a person in the second episode for failing so quickly at a task. But he has a suave and charming personality, with a ''very'' smooth voice courtesy of Creator/ChristianBorle -- an effect that's heightened by how he seems to be the minder to Val's impulses -- and his exasperation at being forced to babysit his teammates when they're in a bad mood makes him come across as very human and relatable. It also helps that he has an ''intense'' obsessive rivalry with Alastor, but his insecure if stylish efforts to undermine the Radio Demon in their QuarrelingSong and the final outcome of that make Vox's efforts to outdo Al come across as nothing but ''cute''.
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Redemption is not something that is "deserved", you are confusing it with forgiveness. Those are 2 different things.


** As more and more comparisons between the shows grew, so did a rivalry with ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' begin burgeoning. ''SU'' fans are quick to accuse ''Hazbin'' of being a "''Steven Universe'' speedrun" and lacking the slower moments and episodes more focused on characterization that fostered attachment to ''SU'''s characters in favor of a breakneck plot, whereas ''Hazbin'' fans are quick to retort that what ''Hazbin'' may lack in characterization it makes up for in establishing a tonal and moral consistency and having a clear sense of who is capable and deserving of being redeemed, something ''Steven Universe'' [[EasilyForgiven infamously began to lack in later seasons]].

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** As more and more comparisons between the shows grew, so did a rivalry with ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' begin burgeoning. ''SU'' fans are quick to accuse ''Hazbin'' of being a "''Steven Universe'' speedrun" and lacking the slower moments and episodes more focused on characterization that fostered attachment to ''SU'''s characters in favor of a breakneck plot, whereas ''Hazbin'' fans are quick to retort that what ''Hazbin'' may lack in characterization it makes up for in establishing a tonal and moral consistency and having a clear sense of who is capable and deserving of being redeemed, forgiven, something ''Steven Universe'' [[EasilyForgiven infamously began to lack in later seasons]].

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** The Alastor/Husk ship is called [=RadioHusk=].



** The Adam/Lucifer ship is called [[PunnyName AdamsApple]].

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** The Adam/Lucifer ship is called [[PunnyName AdamsApple]].AdamsApple]] or [=GuitarDuck=].


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** The Adam/Alastor ship is called [=AngelicRadio=].


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** The Charlie/Emily ship is called [=RoyalHalo=].
** The Vaggie/Lute ship is called [=FallenWings=].


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** The Alastor/Vox ship is called [=VoxAl=].


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** The Charlie/Angel Dust ship is called [=CharlieDust=].
** The Vaggie/Alastor ship is called Vagastor or Vaggastor.
** The Vox/Velvette ship is called [=VoxVel=] or [=VelVox=].
** The Angel Dust/Valentino ship is called [=ValAngel=].
** The Alastor/Valentino ship is called [=Valastor=].


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** Alastor/Valentino has fans, though the characters don't interact.


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* PortmanteauCoupleName: The Sir Pentious/Arackniss ship is called Pentniss.
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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell,[[note]]While other counselors at the camp are shown to uncaring dicks, it's uncertain if the same can be said for the client, and even that being enough to damn someone is questionable[[/note]] making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.

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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell,[[note]]While other counselors at the camp are shown to be uncaring dicks, it's uncertain if the same can be said for the client, and even that being enough to damn someone is questionable[[/note]] making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.
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** A rather common misconception is that the Sinners ultimately ''deserve'' to be in Hell, owing to the biblical depictions of Hell being a place where those who have committed egregious sins are damned as punishment, not helped by most of the main casts manner of deaths being unknown.[[note]]While Angel Dust and Alastor's manner of deaths ''were'' elaborated on in the past, drug overdose for the former and getting shot in the head by a deer hunter while burying his [[SerialKiller latest victim]] for the later, both are considered SchrodingersCanon due to being details revealed pre-official release, which are subject to change as [[spoiler:Vaggie's backstory changing]] can attest.[[/note]] The series, however, makes a point to establish that this is ''not'' the case via its depiction of Adam, the first "Winner" who ascended to Heaven, yet is much more sinful than plenty of Sinners, while the sister show ''Helluva Boss'' goes on to suggest that EasyRoadToHell is in effect, making it a lot more questionable just how many of the Sinners ''actually'' deserve being in Hell.

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** A rather common misconception is that the Sinners ultimately ''deserve'' to be in Hell, owing to the biblical depictions of Hell being a place where those who have committed egregious sins are damned as punishment, not helped by most of the main casts manner of deaths being unknown.[[note]]While Angel Dust and Alastor's manner of deaths ''were'' elaborated on in the past, drug overdose for the former and getting shot in the head by a deer hunter while burying his [[SerialKiller latest victim]] for the later, latter, both are considered SchrodingersCanon due to being details revealed pre-official release, which are subject to change as [[spoiler:Vaggie's backstory changing]] can attest.[[/note]] The series, however, makes a point to establish that this is ''not'' the case via its depiction of Adam, the first "Winner" who ascended to Heaven, yet is much more sinful than plenty of Sinners, while the sister show ''Helluva Boss'' goes on to suggest that EasyRoadToHell is in effect, making it a lot more questionable just how many of the Sinners ''actually'' deserve being in Hell.

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** The Angel Dust/Husk ship is also known as Catnip.



** The Angel Dust/Husk ship is called Huskerdust, Angelhusk, or Catnip.

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** The Angel Dust/Husk ship is called Huskerdust, Angelhusk, Huskerdust or Catnip. Angelhusk.

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** A rather common misconception is that the Sinners ultimately ''deserve'' to be in Hell, owing to the biblical depictions of Hell being a place where those who have committed egregious sins are damned as punishment, not helped by most of the main casts manner of deaths being unknown.[[note]]While Angel Dust and Alastor's manner of deaths ''were'' elaborated on in the past, drug overdose for the former and getting shot in the head by a deer hunter while burying his [[SerialKiller latest victim]] for the later, both are considered SchrodingersCanon due to being details revealed pre-official release, which are subject to change as [[spoiler:Vaggie's backstory changing]] can attest.[[/note]] The series however makes a point to establish that this is ''not'' the case via it's depiction of Adam, the first "Winner" who ascended to Heaven, yet is much more sinful than plenty of Sinners, while the sister show ''Helluva Boss'' goes on to suggest that EasyRoadToHell is in effect, making it a lot more questionable just how many of the Sinners ''actually'' deserve being in Hell.

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** A rather common misconception is that the Sinners ultimately ''deserve'' to be in Hell, owing to the biblical depictions of Hell being a place where those who have committed egregious sins are damned as punishment, not helped by most of the main casts manner of deaths being unknown.[[note]]While Angel Dust and Alastor's manner of deaths ''were'' elaborated on in the past, drug overdose for the former and getting shot in the head by a deer hunter while burying his [[SerialKiller latest victim]] for the later, both are considered SchrodingersCanon due to being details revealed pre-official release, which are subject to change as [[spoiler:Vaggie's backstory changing]] can attest.[[/note]] The series however series, however, makes a point to establish that this is ''not'' the case via it's its depiction of Adam, the first "Winner" who ascended to Heaven, yet is much more sinful than plenty of Sinners, while the sister show ''Helluva Boss'' goes on to suggest that EasyRoadToHell is in effect, making it a lot more questionable just how many of the Sinners ''actually'' deserve being in Hell.



** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-plot of "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in "The Show Must Go On", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's its sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-plot of "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in "The Show Must Go On", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.



* CrackPairing: Lucifer[=/=]Adam began getting some ironic shipping traction after [[Memes/HazbinHotel a meme started circulating]] which spliced two different clips from Season 1 together to make it seem like Lucifer and Adam [[spoiler:[[SexStartsStoryStops abandoned the fight at the Hotel to go have sex]]]], even though the ship makes less than no sense in-universe due to them being mortal enemies and seemingly neither being attracted to men.

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* CrackPairing: Lucifer[=/=]Adam Lucifer/Adam began getting some ironic shipping traction after [[Memes/HazbinHotel a meme started circulating]] which spliced two different clips from Season 1 together to make it seem like Lucifer and Adam [[spoiler:[[SexStartsStoryStops abandoned the fight at the Hotel to go have sex]]]], even though the ship makes less than no sense in-universe due to them being mortal enemies and seemingly neither being attracted to men.



** Believe it or not, even ''Valentino'' gets this from some, especially fans of the Vox[=/=]Valentino pairing, and his relationship with Vox is laser-focused on in some SugarWiki/{{WAFF}}-y fan works about them. These therefore tend to completely ignore that Vox and Val have a toxic, mostly physical relationship and that Valentino is a heinous abuser and rapist whom [[TheFriendNobodyLikes no one, not even the other Vees, likes that much]] because he's also a PsychopathicManchild.

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** Believe it or not, even ''Valentino'' gets this from some, especially fans of the Vox[=/=]Valentino Vox/Valentino pairing, and his relationship with Vox is laser-focused on in some SugarWiki/{{WAFF}}-y fan works about them. These therefore tend to completely ignore that Vox and Val have a toxic, mostly physical relationship and that Valentino is a heinous abuser and rapist whom [[TheFriendNobodyLikes no one, not even the other Vees, likes that much]] because he's also a PsychopathicManchild.



*** Since a literal translation of "Overlord" is a bit too connected with military[=/=]office rank (and would also [[ThoseWackyNazis probably carry some unsavory connotations]]), "Overlord" is translated instead as "Höllenbaron", meaning "Baron of Hell". This doesn't ''quite'' line up with what Overlords actually are (they aren't "Barons" in the sense that they're vassals to a monarch) but does a better job of conveying how they're warlords who have eked out empires for themselves in Hell.

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*** Since a literal translation of "Overlord" is a bit too connected with military[=/=]office military/office rank (and would also [[ThoseWackyNazis probably carry some unsavory connotations]]), "Overlord" is translated instead as "Höllenbaron", meaning "Baron of Hell". This doesn't ''quite'' line up with what Overlords actually are (they aren't "Barons" in the sense that they're vassals to a monarch) but does a better job of conveying how they're warlords who have eked out empires for themselves in Hell.

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* ItsShortSoItSucks:
** A common criticism of the first season is that, as a result of being only 8 episodes set over the course of 6 months, the first season doesn't have much room to develop its characters, relationships, and storylines. Many point out that the show would have better benefitted from having a 10 or even 12 episode season, and would actually ''welcome'' {{filler}} episodes so as to further flesh out the dynamics between the characters and the various plot threads - in particular, the Overlords/Vees and the five month period skipped over are cited as areas that could use expansion, as the former are rendered {{advertised extra}}s due to their lack of involvement in the greater plot, and the latter is seen as ''ripe'' for a period of character exploration like Angel Dust's struggles with redemption.
** Of Season 1's soundtrack, the shorter songs that clock in at around a minute[[note]]"It Starts with Sorry", "Respectless", "Welcome to Heaven", "Out for Love" and "More than Anything(Reprise)"[[/note]] are consistently held in lower regard by the fandom.

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* ItsShortSoItSucks:
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ItsShortSoItSucks: A common criticism of the first season is that, as a result of being only 8 episodes set over the course of 6 months, the first season doesn't have much room to develop its characters, relationships, and storylines. Many point out that the show would have better benefitted from having a 10 or even 12 episode season, and would actually ''welcome'' {{filler}} episodes so as to further flesh out the dynamics between the characters and the various plot threads - in particular, the Overlords/Vees and the five month period skipped over are cited as areas that could use expansion, as the former are rendered {{advertised extra}}s due to their lack of involvement in the greater plot, and the latter is seen as ''ripe'' for a period of character exploration like Angel Dust's struggles with redemption.
** Of Season 1's soundtrack, the shorter songs that clock in at around a minute[[note]]"It Starts with Sorry", "Respectless", "Welcome to Heaven", "Out for Love" and "More than Anything(Reprise)"[[/note]] are consistently held in lower regard by the fandom.
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Spelling/grammar fix(es), Fixing formatting


** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-Plot "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in "The Show Must Go On", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.
** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell,[[[labelnote:*]]While other counselors at the camp are shown to uncaring dicks, it's uncertain if the same can be said for the client, and even that being enough to damn someone is questionable[[/labelnote]] making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-Plot B-plot of "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in "The Show Must Go On", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.
** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell,[[[labelnote:*]]While hell,[[note]]While other counselors at the camp are shown to uncaring dicks, it's uncertain if the same can be said for the client, and even that being enough to damn someone is questionable[[/labelnote]] questionable[[/note]] making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.
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I forgot about the card calling them Winners.


** It is generally believed that humans who ascended to Heaven and became Angels are called "Winners", both to contrast with Hell's "Sinners" and fit the implication they "won" by going to Heaven. The term itself though is only ever used once by Adam during the song "Hell is Forever", specifically his line "Are they Winners? Are they Sinners? Cause it's all cut and dry!", which led to the misconception that humans who go to Heaven ''are'' called such.

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** It is generally believed that humans who ascended to Heaven and became Angels are called "Winners", both to contrast with Hell's "Sinners" and fit the implication they "won" by going to Heaven. The term itself though is only ever used once by Adam during the song "Hell is Forever", specifically his line "Are they Winners? Are they Sinners? Cause it's all cut and dry!", which led to the misconception that humans who go to Heaven ''are'' called such.



** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-Plot "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in "The Show Must Go On!", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-Plot "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in "The Show Must Go On!", On", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.
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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.

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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, hell,[[[labelnote:*]]While other counselors at the camp are shown to uncaring dicks, it's uncertain if the same can be said for the client, and even that being enough to damn someone is questionable[[/labelnote]] making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.
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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the reasonable assumption that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.

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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the [[CommonKnowledge reasonable assumption assumption]] that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.
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** A rather common misconception is that the Sinners ultimately ''deserve'' to be in Hell, owing to the biblical depictions of Hell being a place where those who have committed egregious sins are damned as punishment, not helped by most of the main casts manner of deaths being unknown.[[note]]While Angel Dust and Alastor's manner of deaths ''were'' elaborated on in the past, drug overdose for the former and getting shot in the head by a deer hunter while burying his [[SerialKiller latest victim]] for the later, both are considered SchrodingersCanon due to being details revealed pre-official release, which are subject to change as [[spoiler:Vaggie's backstory changing]] can attest.[[/note]] The series however makes a point to establish that this is ''not'' the case via it's depiction of Adam, the first "Winner" who ascended to Heaven, yet is much more sinful than plenty of Sinners, while the sister show ''Helluva Boss'' goes on to suggest that EasyRoadToHell is in effect, making it a lot more questionable just how many of the Sinners ''actually'' deserve being in Hell.
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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel, whereas her debut in the series proper only comes in "Welcome to Heaven", and in turn leaves her dynamics feeling underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel, whereas her Angel. Her debut in the series proper however only comes in the B-Plot "Welcome to Heaven", the ''sixth'' episode out of eight, and she only appears again afterwards in turn leaves "The Show Must Go On!", the ''eighth'' episode, and only in a supportive capacity. This causes those unaware of the pilot to feel her dynamics feeling are severely underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** Emily/Lute. While both angels in the literal sense, the former is a NiceGirl while the latter is a genocidal villain.

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** Emily/Lute. While both are angels in the literal sense, the former is a NiceGirl while the latter is a genocidal villain.



** The Alastor/Vox ship is called [=RadioStatic=].
*** The {{Starboarding}} variant of this is called [=RadioSilence=].

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** The Alastor/Vox ship is called [=RadioStatic=].
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[=RadioStatic=]. The {{Starboarding}} variant of this is called [=RadioSilence=].
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Fanart At First Sight is getting cut because of TRS.


* FanartAtFirstSight: When the short was first previewed, fans absolutely loved Charlie, and she got a good chunk of fanart in the days leading up to the short's premiere.
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*** The {{Starboarding}} variant of this is called [=RadioSilence=].
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Cutting all these as per the Hindsight Cleanup thread. The last one is going to be moved on the main page under Casting Gag


* HilariousInHindsight:
** The common {{Fanon}} of Husk being a Vietnam veteran takes an amusing turn when he got recast with the voice of Creator/KeithDavid, who famously played [[WesternAnimation/ToddMcFarlanesSpawn another Vietnam veteran who became a demon after making a deal with another demon]].
** The Japanese dub has a couple of these:
*** While we don't know if this was a coincidence or not, Creator/RisaShimizu's role as Charlie goes by this, considering she previously voiced two princesses living in places surrounded by ice: [[Series/GameOfThrones Daenerys Targaryen]] and [[Franchise/{{Frozen}} Anna]].[[note]]At least at 2023, when she replaced her original dub voice, Sayaka Kanda, who commited suicide at 2021.[[/note]] The hilarity came with the fact she is voicing the princess of ''hell'', [[FireAndBrimstoneHell with everything that goes with it]], and that without going that, while Charlie is a parody of a Franchise/DisneyPrincess, Shimizu actually dubbed one.
*** The same goes double for Creator/EijiHanawa as Charlie's father Lucifer, as he also worked alongside Shimizu in the dub of ''Series/GameOfThrones'' as Jon Snow. Letting aside he is voicing the ruler of hell and being the father of the main protagonist, Hanawa's role as Lucifer is pretty ironic considering the relation between Daenerys and Jon in GOT, and their mutual final fate at the end of the show, [[spoiler:when Jon had to kill Daenerys in order to stop her from destroying King's Landing and from taking over the world]].
** The Italian dub has one as well; when Vox and Alastor fight inside 'Stayed Gone' in 'Radio Killed The Video Star' it can also come as [[TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry a heated rivalry]] [[GenderInvertedTrope between brothers]], and it comes true since they're played by brothers ''Oreste'' (Vox) and ''Giovanni 'Nanni' '' Baldini (Alastor).
** In the pilot, Alastor makes a reference to the ''Theatre/{{Annie}}'' song "You're Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile", which in the show is sung by the character Burt Healy, a 1930s radio host, as this was the creator's inspiration for Alastor. Alastor would later be recast in the main series as Amir Talai, who played Burt Healy in the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BveEANV5CtA 2018 Hollywood Bowl production]] of the same musical.
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** Sir Pentious, being a [[SnakesAreSinister cobra-looking Sinner]] with sharp fangs and many ExtraEyes who [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain tries so hard to be evil]]. But he ends up being an adorably dorky softie who often makes PuppyDogEyes when he gets emotional, making him one of the most huggable characters in the show.

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** Sir Pentious, being a [[SnakesAreSinister cobra-looking Sinner]] with sharp fangs and many ExtraEyes who [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain tries so hard to be evil]]. evil]], has all the elements to be considered intimidating. But he ends up being quickly reveals himself to be an adorably dorky awkward softie who often makes displays PuppyDogEyes when he gets emotional, making him one of the most huggable characters in the show.
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** Believe it or not, even ''Valentino'' gets this from some, especially fans of the Vox[=/=]Valentino pairing, and his relationship with Vox is laser-focused on in some SugarWiki/{{WAFF}}-y fan works about them. These therefore tend to completely ignore that Vox and Val have a toxic, mostly physical relationship and that Valentino is a heinous abuser and rapist whom [[TheFriendNobodyLikes no one, not even the other Vees, likes that much]] because he's also a PsychopathicManchild.

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%%** In a similar vein to the above, Lucifer/Alastor.

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** In a similar vein to the above, Lucifer/Alastor, although at the very least Lucifer is a fallen angel.

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** %%** In a similar vein to the above, Lucifer/Alastor, although at the very least Lucifer is a fallen angel.Lucifer/Alastor.



** In fanworks where [[spoiler: Adam is reincarnated as a Sinner]], the Adam/Lute and Adam/[[FallenAngel Lucifer]] pairings become this.
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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the reasonable assumption that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell.

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** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the reasonable assumption that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell.EasyRoadToHell, and in turn meant to highlight the seeming disparities in what determines a "Sinner" vs. a "Winner" that is brought up via Adam's presence in Heaven.
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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel, whereas her debut in the series proper only comes in "Welcome to Heaven", and in turn leaves her dynamics feeling underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to about in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel, whereas her debut in the series proper only comes in "Welcome to Heaven", and in turn leaves her dynamics feeling underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious in particular feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostEnMediaRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot. Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to in the first episode.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostEnMediaRes LostInMediasRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot. pilot, and to a lesser extent the music video "Addict". Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve as the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to in the first episode. Cherri Bomb's relationship with Angel Dust and Sir Pentious in particular is affected by this, as the first half of the pilot establishes her initial history with the latter, and both the first half and "Addict" firmly establish her bond with Angel, whereas her debut in the series proper only comes in "Welcome to Heaven", and in turn leaves her dynamics feeling underdeveloped, the budding romance between her and Sir Pentious feeling like a case of StrangledByTheRedString.



* StrangledByTheRedString: How some felt about the Sir Pentious/Cherri Bomb pairing, since Cherri Bomb was introduced at the last episodes, thus having no time to be established as a fully fleshed out character, Sir Pentious giving no indication of having a crush on her beforehand and all in all not having meaningful or deep interactions, aside from Sir Pentious' failed attempts to flirt with her.
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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediaRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot. Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to in the first episode.

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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediaRes LostEnMediaRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot. Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to in the first episode.
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** A more minor example, but many viewers have admitted to feeling a bit LostInMediaRes when watching the series proper and being unaware of the series pilot. Unlike it's sister show, ''Helluva Boss'', the pilot of ''Hazbin Hotel'' is still considered canon, and serves to establish the series' goal as well as serve the proper introduction to the characters, Alastor in particular. And while the pilot ''is'' readily available on [=YouTube=], many solely watching the series via ''Amazon Prime'' have admitted to feeling lost about certain details that are only referenced to in the first episode.
** Some of the mechanics behind the setting of the series, such as what separates a "Sinner" from a "Hellborn", the "Seven Rings" and their inhabitants, etc., are details ''not'' directly explained in the show proper, rather they're either stated in ''Helluva Boss'', or mentioned in comments by [=VivziePop=] and those also working on the show, the latter of which is considered SchrodingersCanon, causing many viewers of ''only'' this series to express confusion as to the rules of the setting. One such example is ''what'' exactly determines why someone is damned to Hell. Many viewers have the reasonable assumption that being damned requires committing an egregious sin, and that the Sinners in turn ''deserve'' to be in Hell, but ''Helluva Boss'''s episode "[[Recap/HelluvaBossS2E5UnhappyCampers Unhappy Campers]]" introduced a Sinner who was a teenage counselor in life who was murdered via drowning, and displayed ''no'' actual traits worthy of being damned to hell outside of possible apathy, making his being in Hell an example of EasyRoadToHell.
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** In fanworks where [[spoiler: Adam is reincarnated as a Sinner]], the Adam/Lute and Adam/[[FallenAngel Lucifer]] pairings become this.
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** In a similar case to Adam, Husk is also frequently redesigned as a BigBeautifulMan, bearing a stylish beard and outfit and all-around managing to carry himself rather well for a man of his age.


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* StrangledByTheRedString: How some felt about the Sir Pentious/Cherri Bomb pairing, since Cherri Bomb was introduced at the last episodes, thus having no time to be established as a fully fleshed out character, Sir Pentious giving no indication of having a crush on her beforehand and all in all not having meaningful or deep interactions, aside from Sir Pentious' failed attempts to flirt with her.


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** If we take Adam's comment into consideration, Lucifer is "the most hated being in all of creation", yet he's pretty beloved by the fanbase for his dorky and endearing personality and having a sweet relationship with his daughter and even manages to rival Alastor in terms of popularity.

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