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* BestLevelEver: Leyndell, Royal Capital is the game's largest and most complex Legacy Dungeon, and hands down one of the best parts of the game. A dazzlingly huge, opulent CitadelCity built around the base of the Erdtree, it's essentially a cross between [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsI Anor Londo]] and [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Yharnam]], but larger and twistier than both. It plays to all of Fromsoft's strengths in regards to level design, being highly nonlinear with many hidden paths that connect to other areas, meaning it's very easy to miss everything in the dungeon even over the course of multiple playthroughs. With the number of rooftops, backalleys, and hidden paths available to explore, all filled to the brim with powerful enemies, Leyndell feels like a proper city, and there's a sense of triumph as you fight your way through its streets and palaces, getting closer to the Elden Throne with every step. It's capped off with your final rematch against [[TheHeavy Morgott]], who gives you one of the best fights in the game, and some major plot revelations that totally change the nature of your quest.

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* BestLevelEver: Leyndell, Royal Capital is the game's largest and most complex Legacy Dungeon, and hands down one of the best parts of the game. A dazzlingly huge, opulent CitadelCity built around the base of the Erdtree, it's essentially a cross between [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsI Anor Londo]] and [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Yharnam]], but larger and twistier than both. It it plays to all of Fromsoft's strengths in regards to level design, being highly nonlinear with many hidden paths that connect to other areas, meaning it's very easy to miss everything in the dungeon even over the course of multiple playthroughs. With the number of rooftops, backalleys, and hidden paths available to explore, all filled to the brim with powerful enemies, Leyndell feels like a proper city, and there's a sense of triumph as you fight your way through its streets and palaces, getting closer to the Elden Throne with every step. It's capped off with your final rematch against [[TheHeavy Morgott]], who gives you one of the best fights in the game, and some major plot revelations that totally change the nature of your quest.
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** Right after the hectic showdown against Maliketh and before the penultimate boss in the endgame is [[spoiler:Sir Gideon Ofnir, the All-Knowing]]. The preceding and succeeding bosses are significantly more challenging than this one, and while this boss can overwhelm you with magic if you give him the chance, you can easily stunlock him into oblivion and he doesn't have a lot of health. At best he's a GoddamnedBoss when most difficult.

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Anti Climax Boss requires the boss to be the narrative climax of something, hence the name, and feel underwhelming as a result. Even the Rennala example is a stretch, as she's really not the climax of anything besides Raya Lucaria.


** Despite being one of the bosses that the player may be required to fight to beat the main story, Rennala is one of the easiest bosses in the game. Her first phase is basically a repeat of the Deacons of the Deep from ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'', meaning you just have to target the specific enemy and kill it, allowing you to whale on her without much issue, while her second phase is a fairly straightforward enemy caster boss with some decently hard hitting spells, but all of them are fairly easy to dodge, and her only real note worthy mechanic is summoning shades, which are harder to deal with than her (especially the Dragon). Compared to Godrick, who has a fairly complex moveset, and is aggressive in both phases, Rennala isn't hard for how much build up she gets from items and spell descriptions. Heck, her pet dog is considered the hardest boss of the area, even if there are lore reasons for her underwhelming performance. Even the mini-boss who guards the elevator leading to her is considered a much harder opponent. The only builds that may have some trouble with her are sorcery-based builds, as she is nearly immune to Magic damage - however, this Magic resistance does not apply towards Gravity spells (Rock Sling in particular can take off large chunks of her health bar with ease).
** For being unique bosses locked behind puzzles in secret areas, the Ancestor Spirit bosses aren't too difficult to actually fight. Their agility and raised hitboxes admittedly makes them annoying to hit, but unlocking them will likely take the player more time than actually beating the bosses. Their moves are incredibly easy to dodge, they're among the least aggressive bosses in the game, and they don't even deal much damage when they manage to connect.
** Adan, Thief of Fire, is a total joke - his only attacks are swinging around a flail with a hilariously short reach, and creating slow-moving ball of fire with an equally short explosive radius. Just run circles around him, dodge his attacks and counterattack when need be, and you'll be through with him in about two minutes, tops.
** The Nox Priest and Nox Swordstress fought in Sellia are the most pitiful excuse of a DualBoss in the entire game. As mentioned below, there's a CheeseStrategy that allows you (and Torrent) to jump over the fog barrier so that their AI won't respond to your attacks, but chances are, you won't even ''need'' to resort to it in the first place, as they have stunningly low defenses with easily-dodged attacks, which don't really deal huge amounts of damage if you ''do'' get hit. A player with Rotten Breath and/or a decent melee build can easily make short work of them once they're cornered. Fighting through the horde of Glintstone Sorcerers to light the 3 torches to even reach them in the first place is considered a far greater challenge in comparison.



** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the last boss before you fight [[spoiler: Godfrey]] turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]]

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** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the last boss before you fight [[spoiler: Godfrey]] turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]] It's especially underwhelming since this is meant to essentially be [[TrashTheSet your final encounter with anybody]] from [[PlayerHeadquarters Roundtable Hold]] who's not Hewg or Roderika and is the culmination of all the information about the Shardbearers you fed Gideon over the course of your journey to become Elden Lord]].
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A lot of the criticism parts of the game received were present in earlier titles, but were exacerbated due to the structure of the game:
** One of the most criticized parts of the game are, by far, the sidequests, for a variety of reasons: them being hard to discover and even more difficult to figure out how to progress, with it being entirely possible to lock yourself out of them by complete accident and lose your rewards to them. This was always present in past Soulsborne games, but the open-ended nature of the game and the fact that you could accidentally trigger quests to advance without even realizing they existed made it far more noticeable and annoying.
** On a related note, quite a few sidequests end rather anti-climactically with no real satisfying conclusion and/or with the character in question winding up dead for reasons beyond your control. This, of course, always happened in these games - for example, Patches' quest ending [[BookEnds pretty much like it began]] isn't all that different from Patches' questlines in other games, which has basically no conclusion at all in ''[[VideoGame/BloodBorne Bloodborne]]'', and ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' has a resolution with the character only available in the DLC of all places - if anything, Elden Ring's questlines actually tend to have clearer resolutions than the other games.
** The game has a lot, ''a lot'', of DummiedOut content - from entire bosses, to questlines, dialogues, item descriptions, enemies, and so on. This is standard practice for Fromsoftware games, with ''[[VideoGame/BloodBorne Bloodborne]]'' in particular having a similiar level of important stuff just not being in the game at all. What makes ''Elden Ring'' stand out was the '''sheer volume''' of said content, some of which have been eliminated from the game for reasons that we'll likely never know for sure, despite them being essentially completed.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: A lot of the criticism parts of the game received were present in earlier titles, but were exacerbated due to the structure of the game:
** One of the most criticized parts of the game are, by far, the sidequests, for a variety of reasons: them being hard to discover and even more difficult to figure out how to progress, with it being entirely possible to lock yourself out of them by complete accident and lose your rewards to them. This was always present in past Soulsborne games, but the open-ended nature of the game and the fact that you could accidentally trigger quests to advance without even realizing they existed made it far more noticeable and annoying.
** On a related note, quite a few sidequests end rather anti-climactically with no real satisfying conclusion and/or with the character in question winding up dead for reasons beyond your control. This, of course, always happened in these games - for example, Patches' quest ending [[BookEnds pretty much like it began]] isn't all that different from Patches' questlines in other games, which has basically no conclusion at all in ''[[VideoGame/BloodBorne Bloodborne]]'', and ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' has a resolution with the character only available in the DLC of all places - if anything, Elden Ring's questlines actually tend to have clearer resolutions than the other games.
** The game has a lot, ''a lot'', of DummiedOut content - from entire bosses, to questlines, dialogues, item descriptions, enemies, and so on. This is standard practice for Fromsoftware games, with ''[[VideoGame/BloodBorne Bloodborne]]'' in particular having a similiar level of important stuff just not being in the game at all. What makes ''Elden Ring'' stand out was the '''sheer volume''' of said content, some of which have been eliminated from the game for reasons that we'll likely never know for sure, despite them being essentially completed.
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** Many furry artists tend to give Blaidd a much cleaner design than canon.

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** Many furry Furry artists tend to give Blaidd a much cleaner design than canon.canon--basically no one depicts the severe mange on his face.
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* [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames: [[AwesomeBosses/EldenRing Has its own page.]]

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** While how 'evil' he is has yet to be seen, Messmer the Impaler gained fans practically ''minutes'' after being revealed in the ''Shadow of the Erdtree'' gameplay reveal trailer for his incredibly cool and villainous design. It helps that he's surprisingly fair-faced and his snake familiars are...strangely adorable, with long noodle-like bodies, big beady eyes and mouths that look like dopey smiles, contrasting them heavily with the much more horrifying God-Devouring Serpent.
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* IKnewIt: Almost as soon as the game released, fans were speculating that [[spoiler:Miquellla's cocoon]] in Mohg's boss arena would be used as a gateway to access the eventual expansion pack. Almost two real world ''years'' later, Miyazaki confirmed in an interview with IGN that this point would be used to access the Land of Shadow in ''Shadow of the Erdtree''.

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* [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames Awesome Bosses]]: [[AwesomeBosses/EldenRing Has its own page.]] This is a Creator/FromSoftware game after all.

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* [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames Awesome Bosses]]: [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames: [[AwesomeBosses/EldenRing Has its own page.]] This is a Creator/FromSoftware game after all.]]



** From a lore perspective, Mohg got hit with this ''hard'', despite being depicted as a HateSink. There are four camps. The first camp finds him to be deeply sympathetic due to his DarkAndTroubledPast and find his goal to tear down the flawed Golden Order and replace it with something different [[RootingForTheEmpire something that they can get behind]]; some even go to the extent of giving him the DracoInLeatherPants treatment. A second camp loathes him entirely because of his lusting for Miquella, who is both his half-brother ''and'' stuck in the body of a child forever -- given that he's also the only male so far that lusts after another male, this can also be seen by some as having some [[AllGaysArePedophiles rather unfortunate implications]] in regards to the [=LGBT=] community. The third camp recognizes Mohg's more villainous traits and condemn them, but still find him to be a compelling and well-written character, since his backstory could be seen as a cautionary tale for those who have been discriminated against in the past. The fourth camp still recognizes how evil he is and [[LoveToHate find him to be a lot of fun because of it]] (see NarmCharm for further details on that one).

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** From a lore perspective, Mohg got hit with this ''hard'', despite being depicted as a HateSink. There are four camps. The first camp finds him to be deeply sympathetic due to his DarkAndTroubledPast and find his goal to tear down the flawed Golden Order and replace it with something different [[RootingForTheEmpire something that they can get behind]]; some even go to the extent of giving him the DracoInLeatherPants treatment. A second camp loathes him entirely because of his lusting for Miquella, who is both his half-brother ''and'' stuck in the body of a child forever -- given that he's also the only male so far that lusts after another male, this can also be seen by some as having some [[AllGaysArePedophiles rather unfortunate implications]] in regards to the [=LGBT=] LGBT community. The third camp recognizes Mohg's more villainous traits and condemn them, but still find him to be a compelling and well-written character, since his backstory could be seen as a cautionary tale for those who have been discriminated against in the past. The fourth camp still recognizes how evil he is and [[LoveToHate find him to be a lot of fun because of it]] (see NarmCharm for further details on that one).



* HoYay:
** There are a fair number of people who view Malenia and Finlay as having this. While pretty much all of Malenia's followers are stated to have UndyingLoyalty towards her, the fact that Finlay carries on her back, while she's leaking Rot, while at the same time marching all the way from Caelid back to the Haligtree (an area which should span dozens, if not hundreds of miles realistically), while at the same time fighting off enemies of all kinds, comes across as a just a bit intense for a purely platonic relationship.
** The same thing could be applied to pretty much all the Cleanrot Knights, as being willing to serve under someone, knowing full well from the beginning that it will lead to you suffering from one of the most horrific fates imaginable, is pretty intense for a platonic relationship between soldiers and their commander.



* LesYay:
** There are a fair number of people who view Malenia and Finlay as having this. While pretty much all of Malenia's followers are stated to have UndyingLoyalty towards her, the fact that Finlay carries on her back, while she's leaking Rot, while at the same time marching all the way from Caelid back to the Haligtree (an area which should span dozens, if not hundreds of miles realistically), while at the same time fighting off enemies of all kinds, comes across as a just a bit intense for a purely platonic relationship.
** Actually, the same thing could be applied to pretty much all the Cleanrot Knights, as being willing to serve under someone, knowing full well from the beginning that it will lead to you suffering from one of the most horrific fates imaginable, is pretty intense for a platonic relationship between soldiers and their commander.
* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] before her, has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, as [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant women]] tend to be. It helps that there's a degree of [[LesYay potential subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.

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* LesYay:
** There are a fair number of people who view Malenia and Finlay as having this. While pretty much all of Malenia's followers are stated to have UndyingLoyalty towards her, the fact that Finlay carries on her back, while she's leaking Rot, while at the same time marching all the way from Caelid back to the Haligtree (an area which should span dozens, if not hundreds of miles realistically), while at the same time fighting off enemies of all kinds, comes across as a just a bit intense for a purely platonic relationship.
** Actually, the same thing could be applied to pretty much all the Cleanrot Knights, as being willing to serve under someone, knowing full well from the beginning that it will lead to you suffering from one of the most horrific fates imaginable, is pretty intense for a platonic relationship between soldiers and their commander.
* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware [=FromSoftware=] game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] before her, has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, as [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant women]] tend to be. It helps that there's a degree of [[LesYay potential subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.



** Mohg is a black, clawed, horned, fanged, winged, yellow-eyed, fourteen-foot demon in warlock robes who lives in an underground fortress flanked by a river of blood, wields a flaming trident, speaks GratuitousLatin, opens portals into an eldritch realm to throw [[MindScrew flaming blood]] at you, and calls himself ''the Lord of Blood.'' He has quite possibly one of the most over-the-top ObviouslyEvil character designs in fiction, sticking out like a sore thumb compared to the other characters, and could easily come across as completely ridiculous in another game. But his design is cool enough, his boss fight fun enough, his [[HateSink in-universe actions vile enough]], and his [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic theme]] memorable enough that he's instead widely regarded as [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames one of the game's highlights.]]

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** Mohg is a black, clawed, horned, fanged, winged, yellow-eyed, fourteen-foot demon in warlock robes who lives in an underground fortress flanked by a river of blood, wields a flaming trident, speaks GratuitousLatin, opens portals into an eldritch realm to throw [[MindScrew flaming blood]] at you, and calls himself ''the Lord of Blood.'' He has quite possibly one of the most over-the-top ObviouslyEvil character designs in fiction, sticking out like a sore thumb compared to the other characters, and could easily come across as completely ridiculous in another game. But his design is cool enough, his boss fight fun enough, his [[HateSink in-universe actions vile enough]], and his [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic theme]] memorable enough that he's instead widely regarded as [[AwesomeBosses/VideoGames one of the game's highlights.]]highlights]].
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* LesYay:
** There are a fair number of people who view Malenia and Finlay as having this. While pretty much all of Malenia's followers are stated to have UndyingLoyalty towards her, the fact that Finlay carries on her back, while she's leaking Rot, while at the same time marching all the way from Caelid back to the Haligtree (an area which should span dozens, if not hundreds of miles realistically), while at the same time fighting off enemies of all kinds, comes across as a just a bit intense for a purely platonic relationship.
** Actually, the same thing could be applied to pretty much all the Cleanrot Knights, as being willing to serve under someone, knowing full well from the beginning that it will lead to you suffering from one of the most horrific fates imaginable, is pretty intense for a platonic relationship between soldiers and their commander.
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** One of the Omens you encounter in the Shunning-Grounds is absolutely covered in these gnarled, mishappen horns. With half his body essentially being encased in bone. In addition to looking like he's in constant pain, once you get a good look at him and see just how messy his model is, it might actually make you sick. The worst part is that that horrible fate is the natural form of an Omen and they get their horns cut off at birth to keep from turning into ''that''.
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** Fans give the BossRush of Fia's Champions a more unflattering nickname as "Fia's Simps", because it was revealed that letting Fia hug you would add your player profile to the list of possible NPC summons in that boss fight.
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* NintendoHard: As expected from a Creator/FromSoftware game. Dynamic bosses and hard-hitting enemies are still a major element of the game, though the game's open world design and Torrent enables bypassing far, far more easily. However the challenges you cannot just bypass are even more unforgiving than in games past and full use of the game's new tools along with through exploration is key to making it through.
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** Hoarah Loux pulling out pro wrestling moves like powerbombs is completely out of left field and also ''undeniably cool as hell'', [[spoiler:especially as just moments ago he was the regal Godfrey, speaking in FloweryElizabethanEnglish]].

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** Hoarah Loux pulling out pro wrestling moves like powerbombs is completely out of left field and also ''undeniably cool as hell'', [[spoiler:especially especially as just moments ago he was the regal Godfrey, [[spoiler:Godfrey]], speaking in FloweryElizabethanEnglish]].FloweryElizabethanEnglish. In general, the sheer ferocity of his boss fight combined with the theatricality of his biggest attacks and the MoodWhiplash from his much more dignified first phase makes the whole experience equal parts hilarious and terrifying.
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** Who ''is'' Marika? Even aside from the points above, everything about her is functionally a unknown, and she's AmbiguouslyEvil to the extreme. Is she a deeply callous and manipulative woman who treats everyone around her as pawns to reach her goals, including her own children, with no care for the suffering she causes? Is she emotionally broken from a long life and the loss of her son, causing her to act rashly and cause more damage in the process? Is she somwhere between, a woman who may have started out with good intentions but grew more jaded and callous over time? Any of them are perfectly possible interpretations, as are a dozen others.
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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] before her has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, as [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant women]] tend to be, along with the [[LesYay potential subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.

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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] before her her, has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, as [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant women]] tend to be, along with the be. It helps that there's a degree of [[LesYay potential subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.
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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the [[LesYay potential subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.

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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] before her has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and women]] tend to be, along with the [[LesYay potential subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.
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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the potential subtext regarding her and Finlay.

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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the [[LesYay potential subtext subtext]] regarding her and Finlay.
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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/Bloodborne Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the potential subtext regarding her and Finlay.

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* LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[GenderBender [[spoiler:[[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]] identiy]]]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/Bloodborne [[VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}} Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the potential subtext regarding her and Finlay.
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** The Fire Giants as an entire race are sometimes subject to this, characterized as helpless victims of genocide by the Golden Order like the Wandering Merchants, and the Fire Giant which the player fights as a DesignatedVillain whom the player shouldn't even need to kill to use the Giant's Forge to burn the Erdtree. While the Fire Giant is definitely a tragic figure to due being the LastOfHisKind, the Fire Giants were all explicitly minions of the Fell God, and while interpretations vary on whether that means that they were AlwaysChaoticEvil or merely pawns in Marika's conflict against the Outer Gods, they definitely weren't completely innocent as is sometimes asserted.

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** The Fire Giants as an entire race are sometimes subject to this, characterized as helpless victims of genocide by the Golden Order like the Wandering Merchants, and the Fire Giant which the player fights as a DesignatedVillain whom the player shouldn't even need to kill to use the Giant's Forge to burn the Erdtree. While the Fire Giant is definitely a tragic figure to due being the LastOfHisKind, the Fire Giants were all explicitly minions of the Fell God, and while interpretations vary on whether that means that they were AlwaysChaoticEvil or merely pawns in Marika's conflict against the Outer Gods, they definitely weren't completely innocent as is sometimes asserted.asserted, as evidenced by the item descriptions relating to the people of Zamor.
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* LGBT Fanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/Bloodborne Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the potential subtext regarding her and Finlay.

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* LGBT Fanbase: LGBTFanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/Bloodborne Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the potential subtext regarding her and Finlay.
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* LGBT Fanbase: Similar to the EstrogenBrigade detailed above, the game's garnered a significant queer fanbase, as not only are there many attractive characters of both genders, it's the first FromSoftware game to feature canonical homosexual relationships, specifically the female PC being able to marry both Queen Marika and Ranni in their respective endings. That and the true nature of [[GenderBender Marika and Radagon's identiy]] has garnered a significant amount of attention among the trans, non-binary, and gender-fluid communities. Malenia, in a similar vein to [[VideoGame/Bloodborne Lady Maria]] has also proven to be rather popular among lesbians, both for her status as a [[LadyOfWar strong, yet elegant warrior]], and the potential subtext regarding her and Finlay.
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** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the third-to-last boss turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]]

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** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the third-to-last last boss before you fight [[spoiler: Godfrey]] turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]]
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** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the second-to-last boss turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]]

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** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the second-to-last third-to-last boss turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]]
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** After fighting your way though the brutal endgame bosses at the Mountaintop of the Giants and Crumbling Farum Azula and making your way to [[spoiler: Leyndell Ashen Capital,]] the second-to-last boss turns out to be...[[spoiler: Sir Gideon Ofnir, a SquishyWizard who can be easily stunlocked until he falls over dead. [[DownplayedTrope Granted]], he's not a ''complete'' pushover, as he has the dreaded [[WaveMotionGun Comet Azur spell]] and can heal himself a bit with Crimson Elixirs, but considering the '''sheer hell''' you had to go through to reach him in the first place, he's hardly a challenge in comparison.]]
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* EstrogenBrigade: While previous Creator/FromSoftware Souls-likes weren't unpopular with women, Elden Ring was the game to establish itself a consistent fanbase of female fans, mostly thanks to charming, sympathetic, and attractive male characters such as Blaidd or Varré, not to mention powerful (and morally dubious) female characters like Ranni and Marika; special mentions goes to Morgott, who shot up as the most popular Tarnished/OC x NPC ship in fanfiction and fanart, mostly with female Tarnished.

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* EstrogenBrigade: While previous Creator/FromSoftware Souls-likes weren't unpopular with women, Elden Ring was the game to establish itself a consistent fanbase of female fans, mostly thanks to charming, sympathetic, and attractive male characters such as Blaidd or Varré, not to mention powerful (and morally dubious) female characters like Ranni Ranni, Marika, and Marika; Malenia; special mentions goes to Morgott, who shot up as the most popular Tarnished/OC x NPC ship in fanfiction and fanart, mostly with female Tarnished.

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* ThatOneAchievement: Legendary Ashen Remains. While the spirit ashes are hard to get, there are at least hints to their location that the player can potentially stumble into during their journey. Redmane Knight Ogha, on the other hand, is a bit tricky- the catacombs that house his spirit ashes are [[spoiler:located in Starscrouge Radahn's boss area, which is so huge [[GuideDangIt that a first-time player is heavily unlikely to find it unless they read up a guide]]]].

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Legendary Ashen Remains. While the spirit ashes are hard to get, there are at least hints to their location that the player can potentially stumble into during their journey. Redmane Knight Ogha, on the other hand, is a bit tricky- the trickier--the catacombs that house his spirit ashes are [[spoiler:located located in Starscrouge Radahn's boss area, which is so a huge [[GuideDangIt GuideDangIt that a first-time player is heavily unlikely to find it unless they read find, since the Wailing Dunes appear to just be a giant empty field to fight Radahn in.
** "Legendary Talismans" has a similar problem, with a much more out-of-the-way talisman than any other. Erdtree's Favor +2 is located in Leyndell, Ashen Capital (Leyndell buried under ash after defeating Maliketh), but not the main area that you spawn in and can explore. It's in a sealed-off portion of the ruined city only accessible by going back
up a guide]]]].the elevator in the Forbidden Lands, which absolutely no one is going to think to double-check for new loot as it's so out of the way. On top of this, the talisman is guarded by three endgame-leveled Ulcerated Tree Spirits, and there is ''no Site of Grace or Stake of Marika nearby'', meaning if you die to one of them you'll have to take the Forbidden Lands elevator back up, walk across the bridge and take the other elevator back down all over again.



** Obtaining the Frenzied Flame ending is hard enough as it is, but getting out of it after being locked into the ending is somehow even harder. To even get out of it, players must finish the second part of Millicent's sidequest, which means going into Castle Sol in the Mountaintops of the Giants and encountering a [[ThatOneBoss Death Rite Bird]] along the way (which you cannot switch to anytime other than night to avoid, by the way) and then going through a gauntlet of ghostly soldiers and killing the area boss, Commander Niall. After that, you then need to get both halves of the secret medallion (by finding the Albinauric Woman, Latenna and killing Niall) to head straight into the [[BrutalBonusLevel Consecrated Snowfields]], which begins with what is basically the entire Frigid Outskirts level from ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII'', and then you have to do the Ordina Evergaol to access the Haligtree, and ''then'' head into Elphael to then beat a [[GoddamnedBoss Putrid Tree Spirit]] while on a swamp of Scarlet Rot. Then you have to help Millicent (challenging her at this point will not give you the item needed to avert the Frenzied Flame ending, though you get a Rune Arc and her Prothesis as compensation) and fight off what is basically a PVP gank squad to get the Unalloyed Gold Needle. However, in order to exchange the Unalloyed Gold Needle for Miquella's Needle to avert the Frenzied Flame ending, the player is first required to '''''defeat Malenia'''''. That's right, the game essentially forces you to fight the hardest {{Superboss}} if you wanted to get any endings other than the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending if you've locked yourself into it a la [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII Champion Gundyr]]. After that, then the player must use Miquella's Needle at a ''very specific'' spot to finally avert the Frenzied Flame ending. Suffice to say, anyone who downright refuses to go into the Frenzied Flame Proscription after this are almost absolutely blameless for this.

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** Ironically, Goldmask's Mending Rune is one of the easier ones to obtain, as all it requires is that you talk to him and Brother Corhyn a couple times. The only problem? One of these times involves you having to [[spoiler:reveal to Goldmask that Radagon and Marika inhabit the same body]], which it is not readily apparent how to even do and will [[GuideDangIt likely involve a guide on the player's part]]; you have to cast Law of Regression in front of a specific statue of Radagon in Leyndell and then inspect the message on the ground in front of it. In addition to the confusing nature of this, Law of Regression happens to require a ''buttload'' of Intelligence, meaning the only way to even use if for many players will be to use two Larval Tears with Rennala.
** Obtaining the Frenzied Flame ending is hard enough as it is, but getting out of it after being locked into the ending is somehow even harder. To even get out of it, players must finish the second part of Millicent's sidequest, which means going into clearing Castle Sol in the Mountaintops of the Giants and encountering a [[ThatOneBoss Death Rite Bird]] along the way (which you cannot switch to anytime other than night to avoid, by the way) and then going through a gauntlet of ghostly soldiers and killing the area boss, Commander Niall. After that, you then need to get both halves of {{Brutal Bonus Level}}s, the secret medallion (by finding the Albinauric Woman, Latenna and killing Niall) to head straight into the [[BrutalBonusLevel Consecrated Snowfields]], which begins with what is basically Snowfield and the entire Frigid Outskirts level from ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsII'', and then you have to do the Ordina Evergaol to access the Haligtree, and ''then'' head into Elphael to then beat a [[GoddamnedBoss Putrid Tree Spirit]] while on a swamp of Scarlet Rot. Then you have to help Millicent (challenging her at this point will not give you the item needed to avert the Frenzied Flame ending, though you get a Rune Arc and her Prothesis as compensation) and fight off what is basically a PVP gank squad to get the Unalloyed Gold Needle. Haligtree. However, in order to exchange the Unalloyed Gold Needle for Miquella's Needle worst part is that you then have to avert defeat ''Malenia'', usually considered the Frenzied Flame ending, game's toughest boss[[note]]thankfully, while the player is first required to '''''defeat Malenia'''''. That's right, the game essentially forces quest requires you to fight the hardest go into fellow {{Superboss}} if Dragonlord Placidusax's boss arena, you wanted don't actually have to fight him[[/note]] in order to get any endings other than the Lord of key item needed for it. Many players outright say it's easier to just avoid getting the Frenzied Flame ending if you've locked yourself into it entirely or accept your newfound fate as a la [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII Champion Gundyr]]. After that, then the player must use Miquella's Needle at a ''very specific'' spot to finally avert the Frenzied Flame ending. Suffice to say, anyone who downright refuses to go into the Frenzied Flame Proscription after this are almost absolutely blameless vessel for this.an OmnicidalManiac rather than try to undo it.
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* EstrogenBrigade: While previous Creator/FromSoftware Souls-likes weren't unpopular with women, Elden Ring was the game to establish itself a consistent fanbase of female fans, mostly thanks to charming, sympathetic, and attractive male characters such as Blaidd or Varré; special mentions goes to Morgott, who shot up as the most popular Tarnished/OC x NPC ship in fanfiction and fanart, mostly with female Tarnished.

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* EstrogenBrigade: While previous Creator/FromSoftware Souls-likes weren't unpopular with women, Elden Ring was the game to establish itself a consistent fanbase of female fans, mostly thanks to charming, sympathetic, and attractive male characters such as Blaidd or Varré; Varré, not to mention powerful (and morally dubious) female characters like Ranni and Marika; special mentions goes to Morgott, who shot up as the most popular Tarnished/OC x NPC ship in fanfiction and fanart, mostly with female Tarnished.
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** Commander Niall is frequently called "WebVideo/{{Pyrocynical}}" due to [[OneMarioLimit "Niall" being a mostly uncommon name which his fans primarily associate with his real name, Niall Murphy]].

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** Commander Niall is frequently called "WebVideo/{{Pyrocynical}}" due to [[OneMarioLimit [[JustForFun/OneMarioLimit "Niall" being a mostly uncommon name which his fans primarily associate with his real name, Niall Murphy]].

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