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** [[spoiler:[[WellIntentionedExtremist A World Without Boundaries]]]] itself is one large question mark.
** Whatever your all-seeing AWACS thought about all this.
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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [[labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine. Often used in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.

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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [[labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine. Often used invoked in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.
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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine. Often used in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.

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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [labelnote:Explanation]] [[labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine. Often used in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.
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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from SpecOpsTheLine. Often used in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.
** People drop quotes from the narration of the game's prologue.

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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from SpecOpsTheLine.VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine. Often used in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.
** People drop quotes from the narration of the game's prologue.[[/labelnote]]
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** Was it Worth it? How many points did you get? [labelnote:Explanation]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox4VsczS-6Q An Incorrect Summary of Ace Combat Zero]] uses this during the bombing of Hoffnung in a accusatory manner much like the famous "How many people did you kill today?" and "Do you feel like a hero yet?" quotes from SpecOpsTheLine. Often used in discussions about War Crimes in the series, particularly the 7 nuclear bombs and the Hoffnung bombing in Zero.
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** Another thing of note is that one's perspective of events and how others perceive the same people can changes over time. ''Stage of Apocalypse'' is most likely to make many players change their ace style, which is representative of how they see themselves against the world. Cipher's appearance eventually has the interviewed ace pilots reviewing their worldview in light of the society following the war. And having the story presented in mock-documentary format of past events helps the player better understand the motivations of various organizations and people beyond just immediate enemies and allies in retrospective manner.

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** Another thing of note is that one's perspective of events and how others perceive the same people can changes over time. ''Stage of Apocalypse'' is most likely to make many players change their ace style, which is representative of how they see themselves against Ace Style mid-way through the world.game. Cipher's appearance eventually has the interviewed ace pilots reviewing their worldview in light of the society following the war. And having the story presented in mock-documentary format of past events helps the player better understand the motivations of various organizations and people beyond just immediate enemies and allies in retrospective manner.
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** Another thing of note is that one's perspective of events and how others perceive the same people can changes over time. ''Stage of Apocalypse'' is most likely to make many players change their ace style, which is representative of how they see themselves against the world. Cipher's appearance eventually has the interviewed ace pilots reviewing their worldview in light of the society following the war. And having the story presented in mock-documentary format of past events helps the player better understand the motivations of various organizations and people beyond just enemies and allies in retrospective manners.

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** Another thing of note is that one's perspective of events and how others perceive the same people can changes over time. ''Stage of Apocalypse'' is most likely to make many players change their ace style, which is representative of how they see themselves against the world. Cipher's appearance eventually has the interviewed ace pilots reviewing their worldview in light of the society following the war. And having the story presented in mock-documentary format of past events helps the player better understand the motivations of various organizations and people beyond just immediate enemies and allies in retrospective manners.manner.

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* CentralTheme: Perspective.

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* CentralTheme: Perspective. Many factions and individuals have different viewpoint on the same events, and true understanding can only be achieved by examining all of them together.
** Belka harsh nationalistic movement is seen by its own government as a justified response against Osea's ugly economic meddling, but nations Belka stomped in their path deemed the war very much uncalled for.
** Individuals have their own motives, opinions and lives that is beyond the confine of specific events. Schnee 1 for example wanted a rematch against Galm Team simply because it sounds enjoyable to him, while Silber 1 held no grudge against Cipher despite being on opposing side of war having based his purpose on teaching pilots.
** Another thing of note is that one's perspective of events and how others perceive the same people can changes over time. ''Stage of Apocalypse'' is most likely to make many players change their ace style, which is representative of how they see themselves against the world. Cipher's appearance eventually has the interviewed ace pilots reviewing their worldview in light of the society following the war. And having the story presented in mock-documentary format of past events helps the player better understand the motivations of various organizations and people beyond just enemies and allies in retrospective manners.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat As to be expected]], though special note goes to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjwXI0n5-I "Zero."]] It is widely considered to be the pinnacle of Keiki Kobayashi's immense body of work and, fittingly, underscores [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vexpkH7mjc the exhilarating and emotionally-charged final mission]] ([[spoiler:a BossOnlyLevel where you {{Air Joust|ing}} your old wingman to prevent him from taking out the world leaders via nuclear bombardment]]), itself [[SignatureScene one of the most emblematic events]] in the annals of ''Ace Combat'' history.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/AceCombat As to be expected]], though special note goes to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGjwXI0n5-I "Zero."]] It is widely considered to be the pinnacle of Keiki Kobayashi's immense body of work and, fittingly, underscores [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vexpkH7mjc com/watch?v=m0J_05_qihg the exhilarating and emotionally-charged final mission]] ([[spoiler:a BossOnlyLevel where you {{Air Joust|ing}} your old wingman to prevent him from taking out the world leaders via nuclear bombardment]]), itself [[SignatureScene one of the most emblematic events]] in the annals of ''Ace Combat'' history.
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%%** People drop quotes from the narration of the game's prologue.
* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The final battle between Cipher and Pixy is considered by many fans to be ''the'' SignatureScene of not just this game, but the entire ''Ace Combat'' franchise in general.]]
* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal Yuri Lowenthal's]] casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.
* ThatOneAttack: The Burst Missiles used by [[spoiler:Pixy's ADFX-02 Morgan]] during the final mission creates a large area of effect blast that deals continuous damage capable of destroying your plane in one go, often forcing you to break off your pursuit in order to avoid it. What makes it worse is, due to the [=PS2=]'s graphics, it's invisible to you when you're actually inside of its range. Fortunately, it loads slower than regular missiles and stops being used after you land six hits.
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%%** ** People drop quotes from the narration of the game's prologue.
* SequelDifficultySpike: ''Zero'' in relation to the other [=PS2=] games in the series. Even on "Very Easy", you're likely to be shot down once or twice. Among other things, the [[VideoGameAI enemy AI]] is much more aggressive than in prior games, which has the side effect of making [=SAAMs=] much harder to use effectively than in ''Ace Combat 5'' (where they were incredibly effective) without actually altering their functionality, and is no longer as vulnerable to certain AIBreaker techniques that worked in prior titles.
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SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The final battle [[spoiler: between Cipher and Pixy Pixy]] is considered by many fans to be ''the'' SignatureScene of not just this game, but the entire ''Ace Combat'' franchise in general.]]
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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal Yuri Lowenthal's]] Creator/YuriLowenthal's casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.
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* ThatOneAttack: The Burst Missiles used by [[spoiler:Pixy's ADFX-02 Morgan]] during the final mission creates a large area of effect blast that deals continuous damage capable of destroying your plane in one go, often forcing you to break off your pursuit in order to avoid it. What makes it worse is, due to the [=PS2=]'s graphics, it's invisible to you when you're actually inside of its range. Fortunately, it loads slower than regular missiles and stops being used after you land six hits.
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*** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4exedTCjzt4&list=LL&index=11 Here is an video example of the argument.]]


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** "But that will never happen." [[labelnote:Explanation]]The end of Pixy's interview has him musing how the world wouldn't change for the better unless people trust each other and that trust is vital in a peaceful world, shortly before dropping the sentence in question in a harsh reality check. Nowadays, it's more or less used for every wish from the ''Ace Combat'' fandom that's unlikely to be fulfilled by Project Aces.[[/labelnote]]
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*** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4exedTCjzt4&list=LL&index=11 Here is an video example of the argument.]]
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** In Japanese fandom, the cinematics in ''Zero'' spawned numerous GagSub.
** "Muh clay" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Belka's spends most of the story gradually losing territory following Ustio's liberation, so they frantically fight a losing war against the much larger Osean forces to reclaim their rightful territory along with natural resource within, or rather clay as the fandom puts it.[[/labelnote]]

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** "Muh clay" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Belka's spends most of the story gradually losing territory following Ustio's liberation, so they frantically fight a losing war against the much larger Osean forces to reclaim their rightful territory along with the precious natural resource resources within, or rather clay as the fandom puts it.[[/labelnote]]



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** Pixy hates borders [[labelnote:Explanation]]In the game proper, Pixy eventually becomes a disillusioned soldier who believes that erasing national boundaries is the key to preventing all wars. Fans, however, like to {{flanderize}} him into a character who is obsessed with ridding the world of ''anything'' with the word "border" in it (from image borders to the real-world Borders store chain), sometimes to the point they become his BerserkButton.[[/labelnote]]
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The final battle between Cipher and Pixy is considered by many fans to be ''the'' climatic scene of not just this game, but the entire ''Ace Combat'' franchise in general.]]

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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The final battle between Cipher and Pixy is considered by many fans to be ''the'' climatic scene SignatureScene of not just this game, but the entire ''Ace Combat'' franchise in general.]]
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The final battle between Cipher and Pixy is considered by many fans to be ''the'' climatic scene of not just this game, but the entire ''Ace Combat'' franchise in general.]]
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** Belka did nothing wrong.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Similarly, some fans like to give Belka the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, glossing over the fact that they got themselves into a multi-front war and their sole military advantage was systematically wiped out by [[OneManArmy one pilot]].[[/labelnote]]

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** Belka did nothing wrong.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Similarly, some fans like to give Belka the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, glossing over the fact that they got themselves into a multi-front war and their sole military advantage was systematically wiped out by [[OneManArmy one pilot]].[[/labelnote]] And that was just their ''tactical'' failings, let alone [[MoralEventHorizon their moral ones.]][[/labelnote]]
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** The narrator, Brett Thompson, is also highly quotable, especially in the prologue with gems like "there was a reason for my obsession" and [[AsYouKnow "this of course can be found in any history book."]]

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** The narrator, Brett Thompson, is also highly quotable, especially in the prologue with gems like [[FanBoy "there was a reason for my obsession" obsession"]] and [[AsYouKnow "this of course can be found in any history book."]]

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* FountainOfMemes: Let's face it, you can't really talk about Larry "Pixy" Foulke without quoting every single line he says during the story. It gets particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} in the final mission, where his obsession with [[spoiler:V2 and borders]] takes over.

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Let's face it, you can't really talk about Larry "Pixy" Foulke without quoting every single line he says during the story. It gets particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} in the final mission, where his obsession with [[spoiler:V2 and borders]] takes over.


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** The narrator, Brett Thompson, is also highly quotable, especially in the prologue with gems like "there was a reason for my obsession" and [[AsYouKnow "this of course can be found in any history book."]]
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** Belka did nothing wrong.[[labelnote:Explanation]]Similarly, some fans like to give Belka the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, glossing over the fact that they got themselves into a multi-front war and their sole military advantage was systematically wiped out by [[OneManArmy one pilot]].[[/labelnote]]
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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal Yuri Lowenthal]]'s casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.

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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal Yuri Lowenthal]]'s Lowenthal's]] casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.
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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal]]'s casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.

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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal]]'s [[Creator/YuriLowenthal Yuri Lowenthal]]'s casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.
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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are [[PunchClockVillains Punch-Clock Villains]] who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.

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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are [[PunchClockVillains Punch-Clock Villains]] punch-clock villains]] who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.
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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are PunchClockVillains who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.

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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are PunchClockVillains [[PunchClockVillains Punch-Clock Villains]] who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.
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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are Clock-PunchVillains who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.

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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are Clock-PunchVillains PunchClockVillains who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.

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* EvilIsCool: Mercenary Galm One is seen this way by the Mercenary fans. Committing war crimes? Who cares, the paycheck is awesome!
** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are ClockPunchVillains who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.

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Mercenary Galm One is seen this way by the Mercenary fans. Committing war crimes? Who cares, the paycheck is awesome!
** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are ClockPunchVillains Clock-PunchVillains who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.
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** Of course, Belka. In particular, the ememy ace squadrons are seen in this regard. It helps that almost all of them are ClockPunchVillains who are just doing their jobs and following orders, and all of them, even Schwarze Team's leader, who is a war criminal, are AffablyEvil and are willing to talk to the narrator about Galm One.


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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The games are known for having a case of this, but this especially applies in Zero. [[Creator/YuriLowenthal]]'s casting of Pixy is so good that people, even the Japanese fans, consider him to be ''the'' voice for Pixy.
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* EvilIsCool: Mercenary Galm One is seen this way by the Mercenary fans. Committing war crimes? Who cares, the paycheck is awesome!
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** "Yo buddy, you still alive?"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Pixy's first line during the FinalBoss fight. Just about everything he says is quotable to some degree, but this one stands out.[[/labelnote]]

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** "Yo buddy, you still alive?"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Pixy's first alive?"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A recurring line during said by Pixy multiple times across the FinalBoss fight.game starting from the end of the third mission. Just about everything he says is quotable to some degree, but this one stands out.[[/labelnote]]



** BELKA STRONK [[labelnote:Explanation]]The notion that if something originates from Belka, [[MemeticBadass it's magnitudes better than its counterparts]]. This is due to the story constantly demonstrating that Belka's military is a force to be reckoned with, what with their GermanicEfficiency mindset, multiple superweapons, legendary ace squadrons, and even having an influence in chronologically later installments.[[/labelnote]]

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** BELKA STRONK [[labelnote:Explanation]]The notion that if something originates from Belka, [[MemeticBadass it's magnitudes better than its counterparts]]. This is due to the story constantly demonstrating that Belka's military is a force to be reckoned with, what with their GermanicEfficiency mindset, multiple superweapons, legendary ace squadrons, and even having an their continued influence in chronologically later installments.[[/labelnote]]
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* {{Deconstruction}}: In-universe. Of the Belkan War. Those who played ''Ace Combat 5'' first will be told that the evil Belkans invaded other countries and the heroic Allies liberated them. Well that happened, but after Ustio was liberated, Thompson says it perfectly, "The true nature of the war begins from this point forward." Not all Belkans were evil, as evidenced by the interviews. And the Allied Forces invaded Belka in the first place to secure "resource interests." Come Mission 11, [[spoiler:Allied bombers destroy an entire Belkan city, and the Belkans rush frantically to defend it... before deciding to burn it anyway just so the Allies can't say they did.]] To quote Thompson again, "Everyone is a hero and a villain. And no one knows who's the victim or who's the aggressor." [[spoiler:Pixy didn't know either. So he defected.]]

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