History WMG / EpicMickey

** If Disney is nothing but Popstars, where's the Franchise/SpiderMan and Wolverine worlds?

** While Chernabog himself is far from being a "forgotten toon", it was mentioned that at one point [[YMMV/EpicMickey What could have been he was going to be the guardian of Mickeyjunk Mountain]] and during the Tales of the Wasteland's issue 3 "Oscar the Lucky Duck", one of the locations that Oswald was sent using the projectinator was at the Bald Mountain itself (or at the very least, a series of volcanos), chernabog included. While he did mention that if this was even wasteland he is, the fact that Chernabog is in there means that at least in this universe, he was forgotten, but instead of being the guardian of the Mickeyjunk Mountain, he had a reign of hellfire to rule over. (That, or it was an early version of the "Night at Bald Mountain" segment.)

** While Chernabog himself is far from being a "forgotten toon", it was mentioned that at one point [[whatcouldhavebeen he was going to be the guardian of Mickeyjunk Mountain]] and during the Tales of the Wasteland's issue 3 "Oscar the Lucky Duck", one of the locations that Oswald was sent using the projectinator was at the Bald Mountain itself (or at the very least, a series of volcanos), chernabog included. While he did mention that if this was even wasteland he is, the fact that Chernabog is in there means that at least in this universe, he was forgotten, but instead of being the guardian of the Mickeyjunk Mountain, he had a reign of hellfire to rule over. (That, or it was an early version of the "Night at Bald Mountain" segment.)

* ...what "1999 cartoon"? You do realize that the Blot has been a recurring villain in WesternAnimation/{{Mickey|Mouse}} comics since 1939? EDIT: Wait, you're referring to the Mickey Mouseworks short, aren't you? Well, he did appear in animation on WesternAnimation/DuckTales before that, [[VillainDecay if that]] [[FanonDisContinuity counts]].

If you talk to the gremlin in OsTown, he says Donald's tugboat sank and when it came up, he wasn't there. This leads me to the theory that Donald and Dippy were riding the tugboat right before the thinner disaster happened and they were 2 of the casualties.

* A location based on [[WesternAnimation/Fantasia Bald Mountain]]

* A location based on {{WesternAnimation/Fantasia Bald Mountain}}

* A location based on [[WesternAnimation/Fantasia Bald Mountain]]

* A location based on [[WesternAnimation/Fantasia1940 Bald Mountain]]

* A possible location based on [[westernanimation/theblackcauldron The Black Cauldron's Pyldrain]].

* A location based on [[westernanimation/fantasia1940 Bald Mountain]]

** It's more of a "consultants on animation and story" thing though. John Lasseter suggested to Spector to explore what a Toon's needs and desires are, similar to how ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' explored what a toy's needs and desires are.

Above {{Troper}}'s statement reminds me of a {{WMG}} I had with a friend the other day: Ink and [[color:green:Thinner]] didn't spontaneously create the blot: It was Chernabog. Creating [[EldritchAbomination the Shadow Blot]], corrupting Cartoon Wasteland, wanting Hearts (perhaps to go to the real world?): an EvilPlan when he saw WesternAnimation/{{Mickey|Mouse}} spill the aforementioned fluids.

FreudianExcuse aside, the guy's [[NotSoDifferent pretty similar to]] WesternAnimation/{{Mickey|Mouse}} in personality. I'm having trouble picturing him as an outright villain.

** "Unbelievably stupid?" What are you talking about? This sounds [[IncrediblyLamePun epic.]]

He was never told the real reason ''why'' he was 'abandoned' by Disney and had to theorise that Walt threw him out because his new younger half-brother was easier to market. As the King of Wasteland, during his building up of it with the first of the other forgotten toons to arrive he [[LamePun rabbited]] on about what he believed to the others as the pain was still raw at the time, and they in turn told other new arrivals when they came until every Wasteland resident knew - Oswald was here because Mickey Mouse happened.

A bit [[NightmareFuel nightmarefuely]], I know, but it works.

[[MickeyMouse Mickey]], depressed from how he cannot erase the inert buildings, walks down a line a gray buildings and [[DrivenToSuicide kills himself]].

Muntz was named after the real-life Charles B. Mintz, who [[strike:stole]] legally acquired the rights to [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald the Rabbit]] from Creator/WaltDisney, forcing Creator/{{Disney}} to create [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]]...

Let's face it, if [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] wants to rub out [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] for being more well known, then [[BlobMonster the Blot]] will want to rub out Pete for being more well known.

[[WMG: At some point, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will travel through settings taken from ''Film/SongOfTheSouth''.]]

FreudianExcuse aside, the guy's [[NotSoDifferent pretty similar to]] [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] in personality. I'm having trouble picturing him as an outright villain.
* Confirmed by the [[VideoGame Game]] Informer article. [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] ''is'' angry at [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] for [[strike:stealing]] gaining his popularity, and he does seem to confront [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] several times, but it turns out he's opposed to [[BigBad the Phantom Blot]]. And yes, his Woobiness is deliberate -- even the [[VideoGame game's]] creators felt sorry for him.

Specifically, it's the story of how [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] became king of Creator/{{Disney}} Castle.
* Spector has said hearts are important in the [[VideoGame game]] in regards to the opening sequence with [[TheDragon the Mad Doctor]] trying to cut [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] up and take it.

[[WMG: [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] has been corrupted by the Phantom Blot's influence.]]
Look at [[http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9212/7558epicmickeycover.jpg this]] [[VideoGame Game]] Informer cover and notice how the [[color:blue:paint]] on [[MickeyMouse Mickey's]] ears seems to be running off. I haven't thought out the specifics, but maybe Phantom Blot did something to him?

* Worse, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] soaked up some of [[BlobMonster the Shadow Blot]] when [[BlobMonster the Blot]] temporarily ate him in the opening cutscene.
* [[spoiler:Confirmed by TheStinger. How much ink flows off of [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] is an indicator of whether the player prefers using paint or [[BlackMagic paint thinner]]. Using more [[BlackMagic thinner]] than paint will imply that [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] is slowly becoming more destructive.]]

[[WMG: One of [[MickeyMouse Mickey's]] allies is going to meet a [[PlayerPunch tragic end.]]]]

* Well, [[spoiler:[[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]]'s wife ends up TakenForGranite]], so... does that still count?

A lot of emphasis is placed on [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] being the "half-brother" of [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]], and how [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] has to earn his trust once again. He's pretty much the [[{{Deuteragonist}} second main character]] of the [[VideoGame game]]. Therefore, it'd be a logical extension for him to be a playable character at some point.

* Well, Warren and Junction Point are considering having [[WesternAnimation/OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] be a playable character in the sequel they're developing.

* I dunno, Yen Sid is being used as a rather blatant stand in for [[Creator/WaltDisney Walt]].
** Well, Yen Sid created the Wasteland, but he never said he created anything ''else''. He's probably just "higher up" somehow. I mean, a statue of Creator/WaltDisney ''appears'' in there, and [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] obviously knows who it is and [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments reacts like you'd expect.]] Also, [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] refers to the man himself in his dialogue, but only with pronouns.

It will be called something along the lines of The Forgotten World. [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] will be your ally, and [[EldritchAbomination the Shadow Blot]], now a shadow of his former self, will be a boss (downgraded from the FinalBoss).

If this [[VideoGame game]] happens after the ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' [[VideoGame games]], it'd be a good place to hang around, waiting for [[MickeyMouse Mickey]]. The World That Never Was is also corrupted due [[EldritchAbomination the Blot's]] influence.

Toon Wasteland is home to Creator/{{Disney}} characters who are forgotten. Xion is a (semi) Creator/{{Disney}} character who is forgotten [[spoiler:in universe]]. I'd expect her to defend [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] to Mortimer as she is also a [[spoiler:copy of TheHero character.]]

Considering how Creator/{{Disney}} basically likes to pretend their past TV cartoons never existed, it would not surprise me if [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] were to run into [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Gadget Hackwrench]] or [[WesternAnimation/TheWeekenders Tino]] during his travels in the Wasteland. Of course, since WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck has got a new comic book coming out, that probably means he and his co-stars found a way out.

Before [[TheMcCoy Sora]] was created, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] was supposed to be TheProtagonist, but Creator/{{Disney}} wanted DonaldDuck.

* ...what "1999 cartoon"? You do realize that the Blot has been a recurring villain in [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] comics since 1939? EDIT: Wait, you're referring to the Mickey Mouseworks short, aren't you? Well, he did appear in animation on WesternAnimation/DuckTales before that, [[VillainDecay if that]] [[FanonDisContinuity counts]].

[[WMG: ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will appear.]]
During a random boss fight, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will be defeated, and then [[Franchise/KingdomHearts KH]] [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will intervene and save the day, and he will be an important ally.

[[WMG: On that note, there may in fact be [[LegacyCharacter Legacy versions]] of MickeyMouse, just like there are [[LegacyCharacter Legacy versions]] of Pete and all of the extras.]]

** The possible reasons why there aren't multiple versions of Mickey Mouse running around Wasteland is...well, it's MickeyMouse. Each one of his incarnations is just too popular to be forgotten.

Above {{Troper}}'s statement reminds me of a {{WMG}} I had with a friend the other day: Ink and [[color:green:Thinner]] didn't spontaneously create the blot: It was Chernabog. Creating [[EldritchAbomination the Shadow Blot]], corrupting Cartoon Wasteland, wanting Hearts (perhaps to go to the real world?): an EvilPlan when he saw [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] spill the aforementioned fluids.

[[WMG: The PowerRangers will appear in the [[VideoGame game]]]]

* No other [[MickeyMouse Mickeys]] actually appear in the [[VideoGame game]], but there have been different versions: Musketeer [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}} Sorcerer]] [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] (mentioned above)... If Big Bad Pete has duplicate versions of his character, just in different costumes, then why wouldn't MickeyMouse?

* [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}. WordOfGod confirms that the dev team got inspiration from a lot of Creator/{{Disney}} history, but the latest {{film}} that they borrowed ideas from was Disney/TheJungleBook, because that was the last {{film}} that Creator/WaltDisney had a direct involvement in producing. They ''did'' use unused concept art from several newer Creator/{{Disney}} media, though, such as ''Hercules'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''. I have yet to see any references to Creator/{{Pixar}} within the [[VideoGame game]].]]

** Perhaps in a future installment or something, but definitely for ''VideoGame/EpicMickey'' Warren Spector stated characters and series will only go up to the 1960s Disney/TheJungleBook.

* That's cause he is an animated character, you know, made out of ink and [[color:blue:paint]]. Warren Spector says that the whole Wasteland is just ink and [[color:blue:paint]], explaining why Mickey can use paint and thinner to modify the environment, and how [[EldritchAbomination the Shadow Blot]] was created.

* [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}. WordOfGod confirms that the dev team got inspiration from a lot of Creator/{{Disney}} history, but the latest {{film}} that they borrowed ideas from was Disney/TheJungleBook, because that was the last {{film}} that Creator/WaltDisney had a direct involvement in producing. They ''did'' use unused concept art from several newer Creator/{{Disney}} media, though, such as ''Hercules'' and ''Disney/TheLionKing''. I have yet to see any references to Creator/{{Pixar}} within the [[VideoGame game]].]]

[[WMG: The Phantom Blot has merged with [[Disney/TheBlackCauldron The Horned King]].]]

* No other [[MickeyMouse Mickeys]] actually appear in the [[VideoGame game]], but there have been different versions: Musketeer [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[Disney/{{Fantasia}} Sorcerer]] [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] (mentioned above)... If Big Bad Pete has duplicate versions of his character, just in different costumes, then why wouldn't MickeyMouse?

[[WMG:[[Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad Mr. Toad]] will be a villain.]]

Think about it. He starred in a few comics, before Disney green-lit Disney/TheLionKing 2 and he was replaced by Kiara. I wouldn't surprise me if was in a similar position to Oswald, having been pushed aside by a sibling.

* Most likely true. In the opening of the game, after the Thinner Disaster, Yen Sid says he doesn't find out Mickey was behind it for a "very long time". Cut to the calendar in Mickey's room flipping pages featuring shorts and films he was featured in as time passes. The last two pages were from ''Disney/MickeysChristmasCarol'' and ''Disney/ThePrinceAndThePauper'', which were released in 1983 and 1990, respectively.

** If Disney is nothing but Popstars, where's the SpiderMan and Wolverine worlds?

** {{Jossed}}. Nomura confirmed that KH3's final boss is Xehanort.
*** Not necessarily. Nomura says KH3 will be the end of the "Xehanort Saga." After that, everything's fair [[VideoGame game]].

** Well, Yen Sid created the Wasteland, but he never said he created anything ''else''. He's probably just "higher up" somehow. I mean, a statue of Creator/WaltDisney ''appears'' in there, and [[WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse Mickey]] obviously knows who it is and [[HeartwarmingMoments reacts like you'd expect.]] Also, [[WesternAnimation/OswaldTheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] refers to the man himself in his dialogue, but only with pronouns.

[[MickeyMouse Mickey]], depressed from how he cannot erase the inert buildings, walks down a line a gray buildings and goes mad and kills himself.

Well, this IS [[NightmareFuel designed to scare the crap out of kids]]. Why not instill them with the knowledge that we're all doomed to die sometime? After all, Creator/{{Disney}} is also famous for creating some [[TearJerker/DisneyAndPixar tear-jerking scenes.]]

* Most likely true. In the opening of the game, after the Thinner Disaster, Yen Sid says he doesn't find out Mickey was behind it for a "very long time". Cut to the calendar in Mickey's room flipping pages featuring shorts and films he was featured in as time passes. The last two pages were from MickeysChristmasCarol and Disney/ThePrinceAndThePauper, which were released in 1983 and 1990, respectively.

And why stop at ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub''? Disney's history doesn't end with the death of Uncle Walt. For example, does the name [[Series/SoWeird Fiona Phillips]] have any relevance to you? No? How about [[TheFamousJettJackson Jett Jackson]]? And those shows made it to air and ran for several seasons! On top of the shows that have been aired and subsequently forgotten, there's probably tons of unused ideas for Disney {{Kid Com}}s and animated series that were never broadcast, and are probably gathering dust in the Disney vault. Plus, think about how this can be used for NightmareFuel -- the perky, optimistic, teenaged characters from a Creator/DisneyChannel Original Series that hit 65 episodes and ended a few years ago find themselves being sucked out of their normal lives and into the Wasteland as their FleetingDemographic moves on to the Disney Channel's new hit series. There, these once-normal Disney teens get corrupted by the returned [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Phantom Blot/Shadow Blot]], or whatever new villain appears in the sequel. Only problem is that satirizing the disposability of such shows might be a bit too subversive a subject for a Disney-produced game to tackle.