History WMG / EpicMickey

[[WMG: The Phantom Blot Villain in the 1999 cartoon based himself off [[EldritchAbomination the Shadow Blot]] in ''EpicMickey''.]]

** Perhaps in a future installment or something, but definitely for EpicMickey Warren Spector stated characters and series will only go up to the 1960s Disney/TheJungleBook.

* Alice (the version from the AliceComedies)

[[WMG: At some point, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will travel through settings taken from Disney/SongOfTheSouth.]]

[[WMG: The entire game takes place inside a AlternateUniverse WaltDisney's head where he is '''Alive''' and '''Insane''']]

* [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}. WordOfGod confirms that the dev team got inspiration from a lot of Creator/{{Disney}} history, but the latest {{film}} that they borrowed ideas from was Disney/TheJungleBook, because that was the last {{film}} that WaltDisney had a direct involvement in producing. They ''did'' use unused concept art from several newer Creator/{{Disney}} media, though, such as ''Hercules'' and ''Disney/TheLionKing''. I have yet to see any references to Creator/{{Pixar}} within the [[VideoGame game]].]]

** According to the interview, he really just wants WaltDisney, his father, to love him.

Considering how Creator/{{Disney}} basically likes to pretend their past TV cartoons never existed, it would not surprise me if [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] were to run into [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Gadget Hackwrench]] or [[TheWeekenders Tino]] during his travels in the Wasteland. Of course, since WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck has got a new comic book coming out, that probably means he and his co-stars found a way out.

[[WMG:The reason the Clock Tower attacks you is because he's maddened with pain.]]

[[WMG: This is not a Franchise/KingdomHearts game.]]
[[WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill Dale]], you went too far this time.

* Well, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI1ADabQdXI&feature=related this video]] has stated that {{Pixar}} would be somewhat involved with this, but since it isn't an official video, I'm not too sure.
* [[http://junctionpoint.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/im-ba-ack/ Confirmed from the man himself:]] ''"My team and I have been working hard on our own and (get ready for the cool factor to go way up) in collaboration with folks from Creator/{{Disney}} Feature Animation and '' '''{{Pixar}}.'''''"''

* One could wish, really, but Muntz is in too recent a production. If anyone from {{Pixar}}'s going to be in Wasteland, it'd be the cast of WesternAnimation/ABugsLife. It is arguably their least well-known film.

* [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}. WordOfGod confirms that the dev team got inspiration from a lot of Creator/{{Disney}} history, but the latest {{film}} that they borrowed ideas from was Disney/TheJungleBook, because that was the last {{film}} that WaltDisney had a direct involvement in producing. They ''did'' use unused concept art from several newer Creator/{{Disney}} media, though, such as ''Hercules'' and ''Disney/TheLionKing''. I have yet to see any references to {{Pixar}} within the [[VideoGame game]].]]

...who predated even [[WesternAnimation/OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] as Creator/{{Disney}}'s first recurring animated character.

Let's face it, if [[WesternAnimation/OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] wants to rub out [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] for being more well known, then [[BlobMonster the Blot]] will want to rub out Pete for being more well known.

[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] is [[VideoGame/{{Klonoa}} the King of Sorrow]].]]
To summarize, [[WesternAnimation/OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] is a rabbit in charge of a desolate and forgotten world, who was driven to near-madness by his cruel fate, and thus engineered a cosmically suicidal plot, the ultimate goal of which is only to garner some attention to himself. [[InsaneTrollLogic The connection is transparently obvious.]]

[[WMG: [[WesternAnimation/OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] will be made out to be fairly sympathetic.]]

* Well, [[spoiler:[[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]]'s wife ends up TakenForGranite]], so... does that still count?

[[WMG: One of the [[VideoGame game's]] possible endings will be that [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] gets out of the Wasteland]]
Think about it. Ever since ''EpicMickey'' was even in the planning stage, [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] semi-unknown popularity has skyrocketed. He came back to the ownership of Creator/{{Disney}} through a ''flesh and blood human'', where all of his [[WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts classic]] shorts were quickly made available through Creator/{{Disney}} Treasures DVD. Also, inevitably, he will become even more popular once the [[VideoGame game]] comes out. It's possible that they might even be BreakingTheFourthWall as an explanation for him to escape.

Muntz was named after the real-life Charles B. Mintz, who [[strike:stole]] legally acquired the rights to [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald the Rabbit]] from WaltDisney, forcing Creator/{{Disney}} to create [[MickeyMouse Mickey]]...
* Muntz is pure NightmareFuel and has an extreme obsession with the past. If anyone from {{Pixar}} makes it in, it will be him.

...who predated even [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] as Creator/{{Disney}}'s first recurring animated character.

Let's face it, if [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] wants to rub out [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] for being more well known, then [[BlobMonster the Blot]] will want to rub out Pete for being more well known.

[[WMG: [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] is [[VideoGame/{{Klonoa}} the King of Sorrow]].]]
To summarize, [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] is a rabbit in charge of a desolate and forgotten world, who was driven to near-madness by his cruel fate, and thus engineered a cosmically suicidal plot, the ultimate goal of which is only to garner some attention to himself. [[InsaneTrollLogic The connection is transparently obvious.]]

[[WMG: [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] will be made out to be fairly sympathetic.]]
FreudianExcuse aside, the guy's [[NotSoDifferent pretty similar to]] [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] in personality. I'm having trouble picturing him as an outright villain.
* Confirmed by the [[VideoGame Game]] Informer article. [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] ''is'' angry at [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] for [[strike:stealing]] gaining his popularity, and he does seem to confront [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] several times, but it turns out he's opposed to [[BigBad the Phantom Blot]]. And yes, his Woobiness is deliberate -- even the [[VideoGame game's]] creators felt sorry for him.

[[WMG: [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] will either be a second playable character obtained later in the [[VideoGame game]], or a SecretCharacter unlocked after beating the [[VideoGame game]].]]
A lot of emphasis is placed on [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] being the "half-brother" of [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], and how [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] has to earn his trust once again. He's pretty much the [[{{Deuteragonist}} second main character]] of the [[VideoGame game]]. Therefore, it'd be a logical extension for him to be a playable character at some point.

* Well, Warren and Junction Point are considering having [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] be a playable character in the sequel they're developing.

It will be all but said to be WaltDisney's.
* I dunno, Yen Sid is being used as a rather blatant stand in for [[WaltDisney Walt]].
** Well, Yen Sid created the Wasteland, but he never said he created anything ''else''. He's probably just "higher up" somehow. I mean, a statue of WaltDisney ''appears'' in there, and [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] obviously knows who it is and [[HeartwarmingMoments reacts like you'd expect.]] Also, [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] refers to the man himself in his dialogue, but only with pronouns.

It will be called something along the lines of The Forgotten World. [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] will be your ally, and [[EldritchAbomination the Shadow Blot]], now a shadow of his former self, will be a boss (downgraded from the FinalBoss).

** Both semi-confirmed and semi-{{Jossed}} by a recent ''Creator/{{Nintendo}} Power'' feature. The final level ''will'' be set in a dark Creator/{{Disney}} castle, but it's not connected to ''Kingdom Hearts'' in any way: it's called "Dark Beauty Castle," and it's presumably the huge, warped castle in the middle of Wasteland. [[spoiler:You get to team up with [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]], though, which should be awesome.]]

[[WMG: ''HouseOfMouse'' takes place in the distant future of Wasteland, similar to (and compatible with) the ''VideoGame/ToontownOnline'' theory above.]]
This would explain the ''massive'' Disney crossover; it takes place after ''everything'' related to Disney's animation studios has [[AnthropicPrinciple somehow]] been forgotten. The announcer who says "On Main Street..." in the show's opening messed up his line and was actually supposed to say "Mean Street." The Disney cartoon creations that happened not to have been made before ''HouseOfMouse'' just, coincidentally, never go to the House of Mouse club, and the CG characters live in a different [[StealthPun dimension]] of Wasteland. Also, the House of Mouse club exists in Wasteland because of the ''HouseOfMouse'' series ''[[RecursiveCanon itself]]'' being forgotten in the future.

...and a lot of toons you saw in the game have since [[EarnYourHappyEnding regained their hearts and escaped The Wasteland.]] Horace and Clarabelle will get out in 2001 when HouseOfMouse first airs, with Oswald following close behind when he returns to Disney in 2006. Heck, if you wanna get ''really'' idealistic, the whole damn cast can potentially gain hearts in 2010 just from this game alone.

[[WMG: The ''VideoGame/ToontownOnline'' Toontown is part of Wasteland (also compatible with the ''HouseOfMouse'' theory below).]]

The material doesn't have to be just from the present day. Disney's been in the "tween" business since before the word "tween" existed, going all the way back to the TheFifties with Annette Funicello and ''TheMickeyMouseClub''. That show alone has had dozens, if not hundreds, of Mouseketeers in its various runs. Most people probably can't name more than a dozen -- and most of them probably come from the latest iteration of the show, which brought us BritneySpears, ChristinaAguilera, JustinTimberlake, and their ilk. There's bound to be countless forgotten stars hiding away in the Wasteland. Of course, since we're dealing with real people here, they'd have to be NoCelebritiesWereHarmed versions unless they could get permission from the people and estates involved.

And why stop at ''TheMickeyMouseClub''? Disney's history doesn't end with the death of Uncle Walt. For example, does the name [[Series/SoWeird Fiona Phillips]] have any relevance to you? No? How about [[TheFamousJettJackson Jett Jackson]]? And those shows made it to air and ran for several seasons! On top of the shows that have been aired and subsequently forgotten, there's probably tons of unused ideas for Disney {{Kid Com}}s and animated series that were never broadcast, and are probably gathering dust in the Disney vault. Plus, think about how this can be used for NightmareFuel -- the perky, optimistic, teenaged characters from a Creator/DisneyChannel Original Series that hit 65 episodes and ended a few years ago find themselves being sucked out of their normal lives and into the Wasteland as their FleetingDemographic moves on to the Disney Channel's new hit series. There, these once-normal Disney teens get corrupted by the returned [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Phantom Blot/Shadow Blot]], or whatever new villain appears in the sequel. Only problem is that satirizing the disposability of such shows might be a bit too subversive a subject for a Disney-produced game to tackle.

Warren Spector said that he wanted to make a game that would scare the youth of today, just as how the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon scared his generation when they were kids. And what better way to do that than to take the characters that they love from the DisneyChannel and fill them with ten tons of NightmareFuel?

And why stop at ''TheMickeyMouseClub''? Disney's history doesn't end with the death of Uncle Walt. For example, does the name [[Series/SoWeird Fiona Phillips]] have any relevance to you? No? How about [[TheFamousJettJackson Jett Jackson]]? And those shows made it to air and ran for several seasons! On top of the shows that have been aired and subsequently forgotten, there's probably tons of unused ideas for Disney {{Kid Com}}s and animated series that were never broadcast, and are probably gathering dust in the Disney vault. Plus, think about how this can be used for NightmareFuel -- the perky, optimistic, teenaged characters from a DisneyChannel Original Series that hit 65 episodes and ended a few years ago find themselves being sucked out of their normal lives and into the Wasteland as their FleetingDemographic moves on to the Disney Channel's new hit series. There, these once-normal Disney teens get corrupted by the returned [[SpellMyNameWithAnS Phantom Blot/Shadow Blot]], or whatever new villain appears in the sequel. Only problem is that satirizing the disposability of such shows might be a bit too subversive a subject for a Disney-produced game to tackle.

[[WMG: This is not a KingdomHearts game.]]

[[WMG: The [[VideoGame game]] is set in the KingdomHearts universe.]]

[[WMG: The setting of this [[VideoGame game]] will appear in the next KingdomHearts]]

[[WMG: The Phantom Blot's lair/Final Level will be [[KingdomHearts The Castle That Never Was]].]]
If this [[VideoGame game]] happens after the KingdomHearts [[VideoGame games]], it'd be a good place to hang around, waiting for [[MickeyMouse Mickey]]. The World That Never Was is also corrupted due [[EldritchAbomination the Blot's]] influence.
** Both semi-confirmed and semi-{{Jossed}} by a recent ''Creator/{{Nintendo}} Power'' feature. The final level ''will'' be set in a dark Creator/{{Disney}} castle, but it's not connected to KingdomHearts in any way: it's called "Dark Beauty Castle," and it's presumably the huge, warped castle in the middle of Wasteland. [[spoiler:You get to team up with [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]], though, which should be awesome.]]

[[WMG: The Phantom Blot is why [[KingdomHearts The Heartless and Nobodies exist to begin with]].]]

[[WMG: [[KingdomHearts Xion]] or an {{Expy}} of her will show up.]]

[[WMG: The [[VideoGame games]] started out as a throwback to KingdomHearts]]

[[WMG: KingdomHearts [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will appear.]]
During a random boss fight, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will be defeated, and then [[KingdomHearts KH]] [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will intervene and save the day, and he will be an important ally.

* No other [[MickeyMouse Mickeys]] actually appear in the [[VideoGame game]], but there have been different versions: Musketeer [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], [[Disney/{{Fantasia}} Sorcerer]] [[MickeyMouse Mickey]], KingdomHearts [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] (mentioned above)... If Big Bad Pete has duplicate versions of his character, just in different costumes, then why wouldn't MickeyMouse?

[[WMG:Tetsuya Nomura is going to copy his neighbor's test and bring in elements of Epic Mickey into future installments of KingdomHearts]]

[[WMG: The SpiritualSuccessor will be [[{{Pixar}} Legendary Luxo]].]]

[[WMG: Oswald's Heartless will be a boss in either this or KingdomHearts 3]]

* At the ''very'' least, Toon!LizzieMcguire needs to make an appearance.
* [[ThatsSoRaven RavinSimone]] will ''MindRape you.''

[[WMG: At some point, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] will travel through settings taken from SongOfTheSouth.]]

Think about it. Ever since ''EpicMickey'' was even in the planning stage, [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] semi-unknown popularity has skyrocketed. He came back to the ownership of {{Disney}} through a ''flesh and blood human'', where all of his [[ClassicDisneyShorts classic]] shorts were quickly made available through {{Disney}} Treasures DVD. Also, inevitably, he will become even more popular once the [[VideoGame game]] comes out. It's possible that they might even be BreakingTheFourthWall as an explanation for him to escape.

Muntz was named after the real-life Charles B. Mintz, who [[strike:stole]] legally acquired the rights to [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald the Rabbit]] from WaltDisney, forcing {{Disney}} to create [[MickeyMouse Mickey]]...

* [[http://junctionpoint.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/im-ba-ack/ Confirmed from the man himself:]] ''"My team and I have been working hard on our own and (get ready for the cool factor to go way up) in collaboration with folks from {{Disney}} Feature Animation and '' '''{{Pixar}}.'''''"''

** Correction: It'd probably be that guy from the Wally B short or whatever it was called that everybody forgot about. But that has nothing to do with {{Disney}}, of course...
* [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}. WordOfGod confirms that the dev team got inspiration from a lot of {{Disney}} history, but the latest {{film}} that they borrowed ideas from was Disney/TheJungleBook, because that was the last {{film}} that WaltDisney had a direct involvement in producing. They ''did'' use unused concept art from several newer {{Disney}} media, though, such as ''Hercules'' and ''Disney/TheLionKing''. I have yet to see any references to {{Pixar}} within the [[VideoGame game]].]]

...who predated even [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]] as {{Disney}}'s first recurring animated character.

It's obscure to the point where {{Disney}} has deliberately kept the movie from video release, sounds like it counts to me.

Specifically, it's the story of how [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] became king of {{Disney}} Castle.

Well, this IS [[NightmareFuel designed to scare the crap out of kids]]. Why not instill them with the knowledge that we're all doomed to die sometime? After all, {{Disney}} is also famous for creating some [[TearJerker/DisneyAndPixar tear-jerking scenes.]]

** Both semi-confirmed and semi-{{Jossed}} by a recent ''Creator/{{Nintendo}} Power'' feature. The final level ''will'' be set in a dark {{Disney}} castle, but it's not connected to KingdomHearts in any way: it's called "Dark Beauty Castle," and it's presumably the huge, warped castle in the middle of Wasteland. [[spoiler:You get to team up with [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald]], though, which should be awesome.]]

Toon Wasteland is home to {{Disney}} characters who are forgotten. Xion is a (semi) {{Disney}} character who is forgotten [[spoiler:in universe]]. I'd expect her to defend [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] to Mortimer as she is also a [[spoiler:copy of TheHero character.]]

[[WMG: Characters from past {{Disney}} TV Animation shows are trapped in the Wasteland.]]
Considering how {{Disney}} basically likes to pretend their past TV cartoons never existed, it would not surprise me if [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] were to run into [[WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers Gadget Hackwrench]] or [[TheWeekenders Tino]] during his travels in the Wasteland. Of course, since WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck has got a new comic book coming out, that probably means he and his co-stars found a way out.

* {{Disney}} has screwed over WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}} so much that this will eventually happen.

Before [[TheMcCoy Sora]] was created, [[MickeyMouse Mickey]] was supposed to be TheProtagonist, but {{Disney}} wanted DonaldDuck.

{{Disney}} [[ScrewedByTheNetwork forgot]] about the show, so why not?

(At the very least, he should be a boss; he's both from Fantasia and mostly Forgotten by the DisneyAnimatedCanon).

Warren Spector said that he wanted to make a game that would scare the youth of today, just as how the DisneyAnimatedCanon scared his generation when they were kids. And what better way to do that than to take the characters that they love from the DisneyChannel and fill them with ten tons of NightmareFuel?

*** Don't you mean Critter Country as a whole's been cut? (Splash Mountain from what I read is only in Frontierland at [[DisneyThemeParks Walt Disney World]], but at all other [[DisneyThemeParks parks]] it's located in Critter Country if the park has one, minus [[DisneyThemeParks Disneyland Paris]] which lacks the ride due to the budget and cold weather), then again I have no idea how the [[DisneyThemeParks Disneyland's]] map is since it's been ages since I've been there, but I'm pretty sure you mean Critter Country as well.

Warren mentioned that defunct [[DisneyThemeParks DisneyLand/World]] rides will appear in the games. Mr Toad's ride was scrapped without any remorse from Disney, and he did have an animated movie that was also forgotten. Add the fact that he was really kind of obsessive and insane in the film, and there's perfect villain material.

[[WMG: ''HouseOfMouse'' takes place in the distant future of Wasteland, similar to (and compatible with) the ''ToontownOnline'' theory above.]]

Go to Ostown and look at the sign. You can see where a "T" and "O" were knocked over to the left of "OSTOWN," and the "S" there could be the "N" turned on its side. Also, if you play ''ToontownOnline,'' then surely you will have noticed that the graphics on this sign are exactly the same as the "TOONTOWN" sign in Toontown Central's playground, excluding the altered letters. Toontown is probably a little big to fit in the Ostown area, but it could be that only Toontown Central is there and all the other neighborhoods are scattered all around Wasteland and accessed via Projector Screens (after all, who knows what lies behind the darkness of the street tunnels?).

*** (Original poster) I'm perfectly aware of how old the "Toontown" concept is, thank you. But what you're doing is you're applying this "X was based on Y" Doylist talk to a Watsonian WMG. So what if ToontownOnline isn't the first Toontown, it's still a setting that has the name and the sign. And this ''is'' Wild Mass Guessing.

[[WMG: The ''ToontownOnline'' Toontown is part of Wasteland (also compatible with the ''HouseOfMouse'' theory below).]]

** Toontown Online is based on the Toontown sections of the themeparks, which in turn was based on Roger Rabbit... so yeah, OlderThanTheyThink, anyone?

[[WMG: The Phantom Blot has merged with [[TheBlackCauldron The Horned King]].]]

[[WMG:[[TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad Mr. Toad]] will be a villain.]]
Warren mentioned that defunct [[DisneyThemeParks DisneyLand/World]] rides will appear in the games. Mr Toad's ride was scrapped without any remorse from Disney, not to mention he did have an animated movie that was also pretty much forgotten. Add the fact that he was really kind of obsessive and insane in the film, and there's perfect villain material.

Think about it. Ever since ''EpicMickey'' was even in the planning stage, [[OswaldtheLuckyRabbit Oswald's]] semi-unknown popularity has skyrocketed. He came back to the ownership of {{Disney}} through a ''flesh and blood human'', where all of his [[DisneyClassicShorts classic]] shorts were quickly made available through {{Disney}} Treasures DVD. Also, inevitably, he will become even more popular once the [[VideoGame game]] comes out. It's possible that they might even be BreakingTheFourthWall as an explanation for him to escape.

[[WMG: TheMadDoctor is the one that builds the [[MechaMooks Beetleworx enemies]]]]

* Confirmed by the Game Informer article. The [[MechaMooks Beetleworx]] are simple maintenance robots... at least, that's what TheMadDoctor ''said'' they are.

[[WMG: TheMadDoctor ''is'' the Phantom Blot.]]
In the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoKSq8cDZng&feature=related#t=3m01s 1933 cartoon]], TheMadDoctor is wearing a black cloak that makes him look exactly like the classic design of the Phantom Blot. It'd be a nice little MythologyGag (and plot twist) if the two were one and the same.