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* Both likely witnessed a murder story if you have seen a lot of them
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Of course, it all goes horribly wrong, and he's gives up.

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Of course, it all goes horribly wrong, and he's gives up.up.

[[WMG: All the characters in Wonderland are based off people (or animals) Alice knows in real life]]
Because it's a dream sequence, the whole world is based on Alice's mind. She subconciously draws on others she knows in the real world to match the fictional characters in Wonderland. Some examples include:

The Queen of Hearts: based on a mean teacher Alice had. This teacher was verbally, and at times physically abusive (it IS the 19th century after all)with her students.

The Mad Hatter: based on an eccentric (but harmless) scientist Alice knows. He's a friend to Alice's family. The March Hare is based on his assistant.

Tweedledum and Tweedledee: based on two Irish blue collar construction workers that Alice encountered many times in her neighborhood. They're a bit portly like the duo in her dream and enjoy telling Alice stories.

The Caterpillar: based on the dean of the school Alice attends. He's a bit of a serious, but very intelligent person. While stern, often gives students very helpful advice.

The Chesire Cat: based on a fat cat owned by Alice's grandparents. Alice always wondered what he was thinking.

The Walrus: based on a vagrant scam artist who conned Alice's grandparents out of money (he was eventually arrested)

The Carpenter: based on a real carpenter who fixed the stairs in Alice's home.
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*** OR, he was Willy Wonka first, but when he lost his [[NiceHat awesome hat]] he couldn't find any more in the style he liked...SO he went into hat making, as well as continuing to make chocolate. The mercury started to affect his brain and he started to go wilder and wilder with his chocolate experiments, until he punched a hole between dimensions. Travelling through this sent him back in time (to the Victorian era), and made him younger (hence how he was able to be a younger version of himself in the flashback).

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*** OR, he was Willy Wonka first, but when he lost his [[NiceHat awesome hat]] hat he couldn't find any more in the style he liked...SO he went into hat making, as well as continuing to make chocolate. The mercury started to affect his brain and he started to go wilder and wilder with his chocolate experiments, until he punched a hole between dimensions. Travelling through this sent him back in time (to the Victorian era), and made him younger (hence how he was able to be a younger version of himself in the flashback).
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** Also, Willy has a [[NiceHat pretty kickin' hat]]

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** Also, Willy has a [[NiceHat pretty kickin' hat]]
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** Her sister takes after Belle.

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** Her sister takes after Belle.Belle.

[[WMG: The King from the 1951 film was trying to protect Alice from execution]]
Notice Alice is the only person who the King decides to give a trial for. Possible he thought Alice might be innocent and wanted to make sure she was.

Also, later during the trail, he summons the Mad Hatter who tells the court he was celebrating his unbirthday, prompting the King to remind the Queen it's her unbirthday. Perhaps the King set this up, as he was hoping that if the queen was in a good enough mood, she might forgive Alice or at least forget about executing her.

Of course, it all goes horribly wrong, and he's gives up.
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Alice has multiple moments of CasualDangerDialogue (seemingly unconcerned with the fact that she could be falling to her death while she worries dropping the marmalade might kill someone below, acknowledging that she'll likely drown in the pool of tears and only considers it "a queer thing") in the series, seemingly more concerned with the strangeness of the situation than the fact that she could die. Not to mention in Through the Looking-Glass, she encounters Humpty Dumpty who states that with "proper assistance"—as in, dying or being killed—she could have stopped aging at seven rather than being at her "uncomfortable age" of seven years and six months". Maybe Alice has some hidden DeathSeeker tendencies that only shows up in her DreamWorld, since it's an internal projection of her thoughts/people she knows/etc.

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Alice has multiple moments of CasualDangerDialogue (seemingly unconcerned with the fact that she could be falling to her death while she worries dropping the marmalade might kill someone below, acknowledging that she'll likely drown in the pool of tears and only considers it "a queer thing") in the series, seemingly more concerned with the strangeness of the situation than the fact that she could die. Not to mention in Through the Looking-Glass, she encounters Humpty Dumpty who states that with "proper assistance"—as in, dying or being killed—she could have stopped aging at seven rather than being at her "uncomfortable age" of seven years and six months". Maybe Alice has some hidden DeathSeeker tendencies that only shows up in her DreamWorld, DreamLand, since it's an internal projection of her thoughts/people she knows/etc.
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* There's an E in both. Why not?
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* Because Poe wrote on both. -???, Johnny Depp (paraphrase)

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* Because Poe wrote on both. -???, Johnny Depp (paraphrase)- Sam Loyd
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** The mushrooms are probably picked by bakers to make their cookies. Alice is the only affected by this because she isn't from Wonderland.

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** The mushrooms are probably picked by bakers to make their cookies. Alice is the only affected by this because she isn't from Wonderland.Wonderland.

[[WMG: The universe is one where Belle accepted Gaston's advances.]]
* Alice inherits Belle's dress sense and imagination and Gaston's persistence and non-understanding of books without pictures.
** Her sister takes after Belle.

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** Maybe it could've. The Hatter said it was 2 days slow. Maybe the oil in the mustard could've sped it up a bit.



Her parents were never mentioned at all in the course of the books, either by Alice herself or in the narration. Her sister is mentioned several times and her brother once, but even then only by the narration, not Alice herself. The only one she mentions potentially missing her at home as she falls down the rabbit hole is her cat Dinah. She seems to spend much of her time pretending to be two people, and whereas in the animated Disney version she cries because she'll never get home after eating the cake, in the original book she cries because she can't get to the garden and she doesn't want to be alone. Along with seeming lonely and distant from her family (possibly as a case of ParentalNeglect [[AbusiveParents or worse]]), Alice constantly berates herself, and is described as not only having a tendency to scold herself so harshly she cries, but she also hit herself for cheating herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself. We don't know if the latter point is a frequent tactic [[SelfHarm to punish herself]], as it's all only dwelled on for a single sentence, but since it's mentioned in the same sentence as her constant berating of herself, it could have one wonder if [[FridgeHorror physically harming herself is a regular thing]].

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Her parents were never mentioned at all in the course of the books, either by Alice herself or in the narration. Her sister is mentioned several times and her brother once, but even then only by the narration, not Alice herself. The only one she mentions potentially missing her at home as she falls down the rabbit hole is her cat Dinah. She seems to spend much of her time pretending to be two people, and whereas in the animated Disney version she cries because she'll never get home after eating the cake, in the original book she cries because she can't get to the garden and she doesn't want to be alone. Along with seeming lonely and distant from her family (possibly as a case of ParentalNeglect [[AbusiveParents or worse]]), Alice constantly berates herself, and is described as not only having a tendency to scold herself so harshly she cries, but she also hit herself for cheating herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself. We don't know if the latter point is a frequent tactic [[SelfHarm to punish herself]], as it's all only dwelled on for a single sentence, but since it's mentioned in the same sentence as her constant berating of herself, it could have one wonder if [[FridgeHorror physically harming herself is a regular thing]].thing]].

[[WMG: The carrot's and the mushroom's make the cookie's and Drink Me potions.]]
* Or maybe the other side of the mushroom make's the potions.
** Either way. It could be that the White Rabbit's side job is providing Carrot's to make the Drink me! Potions.
** What about the caterpillar's mushroom's?
** The mushrooms are probably picked by bakers to make their cookies. Alice is the only affected by this because she isn't from Wonderland.
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* Look out! She's RAVEN mad! - The March Hare, [[Disney/AliceInWonderland Disney edition]]

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* Look out! She's RAVEN mad! - The March Hare, [[Disney/AliceInWonderland [[WesternAnimation/AliceInWonderland Disney edition]]



[[WMG: Wonderland and [[{{Disney/PeterPan}} Neverland]] are the same place.]]

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[[WMG: Wonderland and [[{{Disney/PeterPan}} [[WesternAnimation/PeterPan Neverland]] are the same place.]]
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[[WMG: Alice has deep self-esteem issues.]]

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[[WMG: Alice comes from a broken home life and has deep self-esteem issues.issues as a result.]]

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The Hatter tells Alice that he and Time "quarreled last March—just before ''he'' went mad, you know". While out-of-universe it's a play on the phrase "mad as a March Hare", so of course it makes sense. In-universe, however, the argument between the Hatter and Time was just before the Hare went mad. The Hare might have been the OnlySaneMan before the incident, and Time might have punished Hatter not only by making it always tea-time (until they were freed from it by ''Looking-Glass''), but also ''causing the Hare to go mad in the first place''.

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The Hatter tells Alice that he and Time "quarreled last March—just before ''he'' went mad, you know". While out-of-universe it's a play on the phrase "mad as a March Hare", so of course it makes sense. In-universe, however, the argument between the Hatter and Time was just before the Hare went mad. The Hare might have been the OnlySaneMan before the incident, and Time might have punished Hatter not only by making it always tea-time (until they were freed from it by ''Looking-Glass''), but also ''causing the Hare to go mad in the first place''.place''.

[[WMG: Alice has deep self-esteem issues.]]
Her parents were never mentioned at all in the course of the books, either by Alice herself or in the narration. Her sister is mentioned several times and her brother once, but even then only by the narration, not Alice herself. The only one she mentions potentially missing her at home as she falls down the rabbit hole is her cat Dinah. She seems to spend much of her time pretending to be two people, and whereas in the animated Disney version she cries because she'll never get home after eating the cake, in the original book she cries because she can't get to the garden and she doesn't want to be alone. Along with seeming lonely and distant from her family (possibly as a case of ParentalNeglect [[AbusiveParents or worse]]), Alice constantly berates herself, and is described as not only having a tendency to scold herself so harshly she cries, but she also hit herself for cheating herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself. We don't know if the latter point is a frequent tactic [[SelfHarm to punish herself]], as it's all only dwelled on for a single sentence, but since it's mentioned in the same sentence as her constant berating of herself, it could have one wonder if [[FridgeHorror physically harming herself is a regular thing]].

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Alice has multiple moments of CasualDangerDialogue (seemingly unconcerned with the fact that she could be falling to her death while she worries dropping the marmalade might kill someone below, acknowledging that she'll likely drown in the pool of tears and only considers it "a queer thing") in the series, seemingly more concerned with the strangeness of the situation than the fact that she could die. Not to mention in Through the Looking-Glass, she encounters Humpty Dumpty who states that with "proper assistance"—as in, dying or being killed—she could have stopped aging at seven rather than being at her "uncomfortable age" of seven years and six months". Maybe Alice has some hidden DeathSeeker tendencies that only shows up in her DreamWorld, since it's an internal projection of her thoughts/people she knows/etc.

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Alice has multiple moments of CasualDangerDialogue (seemingly unconcerned with the fact that she could be falling to her death while she worries dropping the marmalade might kill someone below, acknowledging that she'll likely drown in the pool of tears and only considers it "a queer thing") in the series, seemingly more concerned with the strangeness of the situation than the fact that she could die. Not to mention in Through the Looking-Glass, she encounters Humpty Dumpty who states that with "proper assistance"—as in, dying or being killed—she could have stopped aging at seven rather than being at her "uncomfortable age" of seven years and six months". Maybe Alice has some hidden DeathSeeker tendencies that only shows up in her DreamWorld, since it's an internal projection of her thoughts/people she knows/etc.knows/etc.

[[WMG: The March Hare's madness was actually caused by Time as a case of IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure.]]
The Hatter tells Alice that he and Time "quarreled last March—just before ''he'' went mad, you know". While out-of-universe it's a play on the phrase "mad as a March Hare", so of course it makes sense. In-universe, however, the argument between the Hatter and Time was just before the Hare went mad. The Hare might have been the OnlySaneMan before the incident, and Time might have punished Hatter not only by making it always tea-time (until they were freed from it by ''Looking-Glass''), but also ''causing the Hare to go mad in the first place''.

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[[WMG: Wonderland and [[{{Disney/PeterPan}} Neverland]] are the same place.]]

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[[WMG: Wonderland and [[{{Disney/PeterPan}} Neverland]] are the same place.]]]]

[[WMG: Alice in the books is subconsciously suicidal.]]
Alice has multiple moments of CasualDangerDialogue (seemingly unconcerned with the fact that she could be falling to her death while she worries dropping the marmalade might kill someone below, acknowledging that she'll likely drown in the pool of tears and only considers it "a queer thing") in the series, seemingly more concerned with the strangeness of the situation than the fact that she could die. Not to mention in Through the Looking-Glass, she encounters Humpty Dumpty who states that with "proper assistance"—as in, dying or being killed—she could have stopped aging at seven rather than being at her "uncomfortable age" of seven years and six months". Maybe Alice has some hidden DeathSeeker tendencies that only shows up in her DreamWorld, since it's an internal projection of her thoughts/people she knows/etc.
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This covers Wild Mass Guessings for both [[Literature/AlicesAdventuresInWonderland the original books]] as well as its adaptations.
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I know that's not the author's intent, but, hear me out. Many of the characters found in Wonderland can be seen as metaphors for the various traits of Autistic children. The White Rabbit represents the obsessive-compulsive nature many people in Autism have. Both the March Hare and Mad Hatter represent the classic ritualistic behaviors found in Autistic people. The Cheshire Cat represents the random quirks or unsusual sense of humor. And, the Queen Of Hearts represents the over-emotional side people with Autism sometimes express.

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I know that's not the author's intent, but, hear me out. Many of the characters found in Wonderland can be seen as metaphors for the various traits of Autistic children. The White Rabbit represents the obsessive-compulsive nature many people in Autism have. Both the March Hare and Mad Hatter represent the classic ritualistic behaviors found in Autistic people. The Cheshire Cat represents the random quirks or unsusual sense of humor. And, the Queen Of Hearts represents the over-emotional side autistic people with Autism sometimes express.
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Yes, it's [[VideoGame/AmericanMcGeesAlice cliched]] and [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees bad]], but so many Gothic [[{{Grimmification}} Grimmifications]] had been made by the time that [[Tropers/{{Cue}} this troper]] had read the original that it made too much sense and brought down the humor at points.

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Yes, it's [[VideoGame/AmericanMcGeesAlice cliched]] and [[PoisonOakEpilepticTrees [[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees bad]], but so many Gothic [[{{Grimmification}} Grimmifications]] had been made by the time that [[Tropers/{{Cue}} this troper]] had read the original that it made too much sense and brought down the humor at points.
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* Now let's not be silly.
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** [[PansLabyrinth No wait, that's a different movie. It wasn't this one, but it was similar.]]

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** [[PansLabyrinth [[Film/PansLabyrinth No wait, that's a different movie. It wasn't this one, but it was similar.]]
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* because neither is much like a bicycle

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* because Because neither is much like a bicycle



* [[BecauseISaidSo Because I said so.]]

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* [[BecauseISaidSo Because I said so.]]
BecauseISaidSo.
* No, chairs don't have purple feet.

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