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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. An HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16, 2022 for a release date sometime in 2023.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. An HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16, 2022 for a release date sometime in 2023.2024.
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** This entry is also the only one that attempts to tie into ''Literature/TheWaterMargin'' beyond having 108 protagonists.
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* GameplayAndStoryIntegration: Gremio has poor stat growth until level 60, and the lag will really become noticeable around the midgame - [[spoiler:the point at which he openly wonders if Tir still needs to be watched over]].
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** Gremio has poor stat growth until level 60, and the lag will really become noticeable around the midgame - [[spoiler:the point at which he openly wonders if Tir still needs to be watchedover]].over]].
** After [[spoiler:Gremio's death at Milich's hands, the party invades Milich's fortress, Scarleticia, to end his reign and (potentially) execute him in vengeance. While the party only requires Viktor and Flik, bringing Cleo, Pahn, and Camille (all three of whom are three close friends of Gremio) gets extra dialogue where they openly state that they want Milich's head for what he's done.]]
** Gremio has poor stat growth until level 60, and the lag will really become noticeable around the midgame - [[spoiler:the point at which he openly wonders if Tir still needs to be watched
** After [[spoiler:Gremio's death at Milich's hands, the party invades Milich's fortress, Scarleticia, to end his reign and (potentially) execute him in vengeance. While the party only requires Viktor and Flik, bringing Cleo, Pahn, and Camille (all three of whom are three close friends of Gremio) gets extra dialogue where they openly state that they want Milich's head for what he's done.]]
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* HiddenElfVillage: Subverted, in that it's out in the open and rather easy to find. They're not very hospitable toward humans, though.
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* HiddenElfVillage: Subverted, Double subverted, in that it's out in the open and rather easy to find. find, but to even get there, you need an elf with you to traverse the Great Forest, or else you will be stuck in a looping screen. The other problem: They're not very hospitable toward humans, though.
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** The lack of several features that would become staple in the series and also gives further characterizations to the plot-irrelevant characters, making characterizations rather archaic: Bath dialogues are non-existant (''II'' will feature a few, but it's not until ''III'' that the series gives you tons) so Bath only exists to dump urns and paintings. And lastly? There's no 'detective' character to peek into the secrets of the characters you recruited.
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* CaptainErsatz: Maximilian, for ''Literature/DonQuixote,'' Stallion, bizarrely, for VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog and Fu Su Lu for Guin from ''LightNovel/GuinSaga''.
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* CaptainErsatz: Maximilian, for ''Literature/DonQuixote,'' Stallion, bizarrely, for VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog and Fu Su Lu for Guin from ''LightNovel/GuinSaga''.''Literature/GuinSaga''.
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It’s March 31 and no remaster, sadly.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. An HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16, 2022 for a release date in March 2023.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. An HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16, 2022 for a release date sometime in March 2023.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. A HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16, 2022 for a release date sometime in 2023.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. A An HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16, 2022 for a release date sometime in March 2023.
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* AmericanKirbyIsHardcore: The original [[https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198843-suikoden/boxes/28033 US boxart]] made the characters look less anime and more out of a Western fantasy novel. While this was common practice during the third and fourth generations of video gaming, by the time the fifth gen gained traction, anime became more accepted among American audiences, which is why the practice was dropped from the second game onward.
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* CoversAlwaysLie: The original [[https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198843-suikoden/boxes/28033 US boxart]] made the characters look less anime and more out of a Western fantasy novel. While this was common practice during the third and fourth generations of video gaming, by the time the fifth gen gained traction, anime became more accepted among the US market, which is why the practice was dropped from the second game onward.
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* CoversAlwaysLie: The original [[https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/198843-suikoden/boxes/28033 US boxart]] made the characters look less anime and more out of a Western fantasy novel. While this was common practice during the third and fourth generations of video gaming, by the time the fifth gen gained traction, anime became more accepted among the US market, which is why the practice was dropped from the second game onward.
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** The fight against the Queen Ant before [spoiler: Ted takes her on solo and banishes her to hell.]
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* HopelessBossFight: The first fight against Neclord, nothing you do will have any effect against him.
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** The first fight against Neclord, nothing you do will have any effect against him.
** The fight against the Queen Ant before [spoiler: Ted takes her on solo and banishes her to hell.]
** The first fight against Neclord, nothing you do will have any effect against him.
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* GameplayAndStoryIntegration: Gremio has poor stat growth until level 60, and the lag will really become noticeable around the midgame - [[spoiler:the point at which he openly wonders if Tir still needs to be watched over]].
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: [[spoiler:Sanchez]]'s name isn't inscribed on Luc's tablet of the 108 Stars of Destiny.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: {{Foreshadowing}}:
** [[spoiler:Sanchez]]'s name isn't inscribed on Luc's tablet of the 108 Stars ofDestiny.Destiny.
** Viktor suggests that Gremio shouldn’t join the party for the excursion into Soniere, as he has a feeling something bad will happen if Gremio joins. [[spoiler:He’s right.]]
** [[spoiler:Sanchez]]'s name isn't inscribed on Luc's tablet of the 108 Stars of
** Viktor suggests that Gremio shouldn’t join the party for the excursion into Soniere, as he has a feeling something bad will happen if Gremio joins. [[spoiler:He’s right.]]
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* AntiGrinding: Experience gained scales with level - once you’ve reached a high enough level, you’ll go from getting multiple levels per battle to getting single-digit experience.
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* AntiFrustrationFeatures:
** Experience gained scales with level, so if you’re suddenly forced to use a character you’ve otherwise neglected, you can get them up to an acceptable level quickly.
** If you queue up a healing item and you defeat the enemy[=/=]enemies before the item usage comes up, the item will get used before the victory screen, preventing any situations where you forget to heal between battles and start a new fight with a unit near-death.
** Experience gained scales with level, so if you’re suddenly forced to use a character you’ve otherwise neglected, you can get them up to an acceptable level quickly.
** If you queue up a healing item and you defeat the enemy[=/=]enemies before the item usage comes up, the item will get used before the victory screen, preventing any situations where you forget to heal between battles and start a new fight with a unit near-death.
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** Despite having six playable characters at any given moment, two instances - Kwanda’s Fortress and carrying the upgraded boat to Rikon - require you to use six predetermined characters with no swapping allowed.
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** Fire spears were a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance real thing]].
** To mount a naval assault, the rebels need to acquire five hundred boats impossibly fast, so they use a dragon's breath to freeze up a flotilla of skiffs from solid ice. With the apparently temperate climate around Lake Toran, this would be as far-fetched and temporary as it sounds, but it's not without a real-world counterpart: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete Pykrete]]. This mixture of water ice and sawdust was experimented with as a serious possibility for large ship hulls during WWII. The {{Series/Mythbusters}} made a small boat hull using a modified recipe, and it worked rather well--for less than an hour.
** Fire spears were a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance real thing]].
** To mount a naval assault, the rebels need to acquire five hundred boats impossibly fast, so they use a dragon's breath to freeze up a flotilla of skiffs from solid ice. With the apparently temperate climate around Lake Toran, this would be as far-fetched and temporary as it sounds, but it's not without a real-world counterpart: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete Pykrete]]. This mixture of water ice and sawdust was experimented with as a serious possibility for large ship hulls during WWII. The {{Series/Mythbusters}} made a small boat hull using a modified recipe, and it worked rather well--for less than an hour.
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* KillerRabbit: In Mt. Tigerwolf, the player can encounter Slasher Rabbits as one of the RandomEncounters. They wield axes and wear little helmets.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of imperial Imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. A HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16 16, 2022 for a release date sometime in 2023.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country.
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[[HelloInsertNameHere The young son]] of imperial General Teo [=McDohl=] lives a comfortable, happy life in the [[TheEmpire Scarlet Moon Empire]] with his famous father, house full of [[BattleButler personal bodyguards]], and best friend Ted. However, everything gets turned upside down when he winds up with the [[EmpathicWeapon Soul Eater]], one of the 27 True Runes, [[ClingyMacGuffin stuck on his right hand]]. Turns out the empire's ''really'' interested in said True Rune, and young [=McDohl=] finds himself roped into the [[LaResistance Liberation Army]] and forced to face off against his father and his country. A HD remaster of ''Suikoden I'' and ''II'' was announced September 16 for a release date sometime in 2023.
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* TheGrimReaper: The Soul Eater invokes his imagery, its symbol looking like a robed figure brandishing a large scythe.
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* NiceHat: The Narcissists wear very nice hats.
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ZCE and character-specific tropes.
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* ActionGirlfriend: Tengaar.
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* BlindSeer: Leknaat.
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* BoisterousBruiser: Viktor.
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* CelibateHero: Flik.
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* ColdSniper: Clive.
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* DarkIsNotEvil[=/=]EvenEvilHasStandards: The Soul Eater is described as "the most wicked of the True Runes", but at the end, [[spoiler:it rejects Windy]].
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* DarkIsNotEvil[=/=]EvenEvilHasStandards: DarkIsNotEvil: The Soul Eater is described as "the most wicked of the True Runes", but at the end, [[spoiler:it rejects Windy]].
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* EvilSorcerer: Windy.
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* YouGottaHaveBlueHair: Stallion the elf has blue hair.
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* CanonName: The protagonist does not have an official name, but the Japanese novelization and drama [=CDs=] gave him the name of "Tir", which has become a FanNickname. The name "Ryui" has also been used in a manga.
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* CanonName: The protagonist does not have an official name, but the Japanese novelization and drama [=CDs=] gave him the name of "Tir", which has become a FanNickname."Tir". The name "Ryui" has also been used in a manga.
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* StupidityIsTheOnlyOption: The tea. After just hearing rumors that people who visited a certain inn end up drugged and robbed, the group visits and inn and are [[ASpotOfTea immediately offered tea]]. Everyone else drinks up and waits for Tir to do the same. He can refuse, technically, as many times as he wants. But if you want to advance the plot, you ''have'' to drink the tea.
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* StupidityIsTheOnlyOption: The tea. After just hearing rumors that people who visited a certain inn end up drugged and robbed, the group visits and inn and are [[ASpotOfTea immediately offered tea]].tea. Everyone else drinks up and waits for Tir to do the same. He can refuse, technically, as many times as he wants. But if you want to advance the plot, you ''have'' to drink the tea.
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** There's a bit of FridgeBrilliance about that, as you can read [[{{Fridge/Suikoden}} here]].
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* PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling: The Great Forest can act as this after you pass through the Fortress of Kwaba near the start of the game. While you can't get past the first screen of it yet, the enemies in that screen, like the Kobolds, will be enough to propel your characters a good six or seven levels in a single battle and are easily dispatched with area effect magic, like the Fire Rune Cleo normally has at this point. It's a good idea too, since the next dungeon is Toran Castle, which has an annoying ThatOneBoss, and the extra levels can really help.
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* PeninsulaOfPowerLeveling: The Great Forest can act as this after you pass through the Fortress of Kwaba near the start of the game. While you can't get past the first screen of it yet, the enemies in that screen, like the Kobolds, will be enough to propel your characters a good six or seven levels in a single battle and are easily dispatched with area effect magic, like the Fire Rune Cleo normally has at this point. It's a good idea too, since the next dungeon is Toran Castle, which has an annoying ThatOneBoss, a tough boss, and the extra levels can really help.
* SomethingAboutARose: Milich Oppenheimer ''really'' likes roses.
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* SomethingAboutARose: Milich Oppenheimer ''really'' likes roses.
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* NeverFoundTheBody: Odessa Silverberg suffers lethal wounds during an Imperial attack. Before she dies, she asks Tir [=McDohl=] to weigh her body down and throw it in an underground river, so that friend and foe alike do not learn of her death. He does so, and keeps the secret for the better part of a year, revealing the ruse only when LaResistance is fully established.
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* NeverFoundTheBody: Invoked. Odessa Silverberg suffers lethal wounds during an Imperial attack. Before she dies, she asks Tir [=McDohl=] to weigh her body down and throw it in an underground river, so that friend and foe alike do not learn of her death. He does so, and keeps the secret for the better part of a year, revealing the ruse only when LaResistance is fully established.
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* SuckMyRose: Milich Oppenheimer ''really'' likes roses.
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* SuckMyRose: SomethingAboutARose: Milich Oppenheimer ''really'' likes roses.
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** The 108 Stars of Destiny gathering (or just missing one, actually) reveal that there's a reason why Soul Eater's full title of 'Rune of Life and Death', it's not just about getting people to die a lot. By gathering the 108 stars, it allowed the Soul Eater to get into the 'Life' part by [[spoiler:letting Gremio get revived by the Gate Rune, all while not nerfing itself (therefore, despite reviving Gremio, he'll still appear as the apparition that rejected Windy).]] Though unlike [[VideoGame/SuikodenIV the prequel's Rune of Punishment]], it's not clear if Soul Eater will still have the nasty habit of devouring other souls afterwards, so [[spoiler:Tir is always on a lookout and distancing himself from others further.]]
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* DegradedBoss: The Queen Ant is the invincible boss in the early game that [[SmallRoleBigImpact ended up forcing the reveal of Ted's Soul Eater and then caused lasting trouble for Tir and friends and the whole continent.]] You can encounter a lot of defeatable versions as normal enemies later.
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* DegradedBoss: The Queen Ant is the invincible boss in the early game that [[SmallRoleBigImpact ended up forcing the reveal of Ted's Soul Eater and then caused lasting trouble for Tir and friends and the whole continent.]] You can encounter a lot of defeatable versions as normal enemies later.later in Seek Valley.
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** The only installment that don't play Jeane up as the MsFanservice or Viki being an utter [[TheDitz ditz]].
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** The only installment that don't play Jeane up as the MsFanservice or Viki being an utter [[TheDitz ditz]]. Also Leknaat being a little more flirty instead of utterly mysterious.