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* NamesTheSame: Younger viewers might be confused looking through episode guides that a frequent guest on the show was David Horowitz. No, not the conservative writer, but a consumer advocate who would teach the audience how to spot misleading or deceptive advertising. Since he was a fixture on NBC's Los Angeles O&O station, based out of the same facility that Carson taped at, it was easy to have him on as a guest.
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** Also applies to the Antenna TV run; as NBC owns the name "The Tonight Show", a new title sequence had to be made, referring to the show as simply "Johnny Carson". Though unlike ''Carson's Comedy Classics'', these are the full episodes (although occasionally, musical performances are cut, likely due to licensing issues).

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** Also applies to the Antenna TV run; as NBC owns the name "The Tonight Show", a new title sequence had to be made, referring to the show as simply "Johnny Carson". Though unlike Unlike ''Carson's Comedy Classics'', these are the full episodes (although occasionally, episodes, although occasionally musical performances are cut, likely cut due to licensing issues).issues. Said issues carry over to the music coming back from commercials, with Antenna replacing them all with various stock music pieces. Once you know that, it's a little weird seeing Ed praise Doc and the NBC Orchestra, since they didn't actually play the songs.
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* NamesTheSame: Younger viewers might be confused looking through episode guides that a frequent guest on the show was David Horowitz. No, not the conservative writer, but a consumer advocate who would teach the audience how to spot misleading or deceptive advertising.

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* NamesTheSame: Younger viewers might be confused looking through episode guides that a frequent guest on the show was David Horowitz. No, not the conservative writer, but a consumer advocate who would teach the audience how to spot misleading or deceptive advertising. Since he was a fixture on NBC's Los Angeles O&O station, based out of the same facility that Carson taped at, it was easy to have him on as a guest.

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** Creator/BobHope was also on a lot, but it should be noted that he was not Johnny's favorite guest; Bob had an already-prepared and very convoluted set-up for his interviews where Johnny would have to repeatedly set up Bob's prepared punchlines, which made Johnny feel very confined. Bob was also hard of hearing in later years, so if Johnny went out of order, Bob might accidentally answer the wrong question. According to former head writer Andrew Nicholls:

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** Creator/BobHope was also on a lot, but it should be noted that he was not Johnny's favorite guest; [[ExecutiveMeddling because of Hope's pull with NBC, he was given the privilege to essentially book himself onto the show]] whenever he had something to promote (usually one of his comedy specials for the network). Bob had an already-prepared and very convoluted set-up for his interviews where Johnny would have to repeatedly set up Bob's prepared punchlines, which made Johnny feel very confined. Bob was also hard of hearing in later years, so if Johnny went out of order, Bob might accidentally answer the wrong question. According to former head writer Andrew Nicholls:



* ExecutiveMeddling: As was common for the era, Johnny couldn't say what network a show was on if it wasn't NBC; he could only say "it airs on another network". The rule was relaxed starting with Leno's era.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: ExecutiveMeddling:
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As was common for the era, Johnny couldn't say what network a show was on if it wasn't NBC; he could only say "it airs on another network". The rule was relaxed starting with Leno's era.era.
** As noted above, NBC gave Creator/BobHope carte blanche to book himself onto ''The Tonight Show'' whenever he had something to promote (usually, it must be said, one of his many NBC specials). Hope, notoriously unable to function without having all his jokes written for him ahead of time, came armed with a script which Johnny had to follow to the letter. Johnny, who preferred interviewing guests spontaneously and letting the conversation flow naturally, despised doing this, but swallowed his pride. Given how much pull Johnny had at NBC and the great lengths they went to in order to keep him onside, the fact that Hope could steamroll him like this really says something about how much pull ''he'' had.

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* ReferencedBy:
** Creator/JackNicholson in ''Film/TheShining''. "HEEERRE'S JOHNNY!" Director Creator/StanleyKubrick didn't recognize the reference because he was living in England at the time and ''The Tonight Show'' didn't air over there.
** Music/TheBeachBoys recorded "Johnny Carson", an eccentric, but sincere, tribute to him and the show, on the 1977 album ''The Beach Boys Love You''.
** 1990s AlternativeRock band [=Dramarama=]'s song "Last Cigarette" includes the line "You don't have to read the headlines you can hear what Johnny Carson said."
** ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred de Cordova plays his own FictionalCounterpart in the film. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.

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* ReferencedBy:
** Creator/JackNicholson in ''Film/TheShining''. "HEEERRE'S JOHNNY!" Director Creator/StanleyKubrick didn't recognize the reference because he was living in England at the time and ''The Tonight Show'' didn't air over there.
** Music/TheBeachBoys recorded "Johnny Carson", an eccentric, but sincere, tribute to him and the show, on the 1977 album ''The Beach Boys Love You''.
** 1990s AlternativeRock band [=Dramarama=]'s song "Last Cigarette" includes the line "You don't have to read the headlines you can hear what Johnny Carson said."
** ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred de Cordova plays his
ReferencedBy: [[ReferencedBy/TheTonightShowStarringJohnnyCarson Has its' own FictionalCounterpart in the film. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.page]].

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: With selected episodes officially being released on DVD, Carson Productions is becoming increasingly insistent on having unauthorized Website/YouTube Carson clips removed from the site. To their credit, Carson Productions has been releasing a good number of complete episodes (usually the mid-'70s 90-minute episodes) on [=YouTube=] for free viewing. And for the first time since 1992, the Carson shows are airing again on broadcast television, specifically the subchannel Antenna TV. When episodes started on Antenna TV, Carson Productions opened [[https://licensing.johnnycarson.com/ their licensing vault]] to the general public. New registrations are now likely limited to media personnel, though.
** Episodes featuring such {{Guest Host}}s as Creator/JoanRivers, Creator/GarryShandling, and Creator/JayLeno are unavailable to the public under the current arrangement.

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: With selected episodes officially being released on DVD, Carson Productions is becoming increasingly insistent on having unauthorized Website/YouTube Carson clips removed from the site. To their credit, Carson Productions has been releasing a good number of complete episodes (usually the mid-'70s 90-minute episodes) on [=YouTube=] for free viewing. And for the first time since 1992, the Carson shows are airing again on broadcast television, specifically the subchannel Antenna TV. When episodes started on Antenna TV, Carson Productions opened [[https://licensing.johnnycarson.com/ their licensing vault]] to the general public. New registrations are now likely limited to media personnel, though.
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though. Episodes featuring such {{Guest Host}}s as Creator/JoanRivers, Creator/GarryShandling, and Creator/JayLeno are unavailable to the public under the current arrangement.
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* AllStarCast: The same episode that originated the [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal Copper Clapper Caper]] also featured a Mighty Carson Art Players presentation of a ''Film/MutinyOnTheBounty'' parody. The "Players" other than Johnny were James Garner,[[note]](Fletcher Christian)[[/note]] Richard Crenna,[[note]](unnamed, likely Alexander Smith)[[/note]] Dan Rowan,[[note]](Able Seaman Rowan)[[/note]] Dick Martin,[[note]](Able Seaman Martin)[[/note]] and Milton Berle.[[note]](The Cook)[[/note]]

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* AllStarCast: The same episode that originated the [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal Copper Clapper Caper]] also featured a Mighty Carson Art Players presentation of a ''Film/MutinyOnTheBounty'' parody. The "Players" other than Johnny were James Garner,[[note]](Fletcher Creator/JamesGarner,[[note]](Fletcher Christian)[[/note]] Richard Crenna,[[note]](unnamed, Creator/RichardCrenna,[[note]](unnamed, likely Alexander Smith)[[/note]] Dan Rowan,[[note]](Able Creator/DanRowan,[[note]](Able Seaman Rowan)[[/note]] Dick Martin,[[note]](Able Creator/DickMartin,[[note]](Able Seaman Martin)[[/note]] and Milton Berle.Creator/MiltonBerle.[[note]](The Cook)[[/note]]
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** There are episodes on Amazon Prime as well, and they're ''mostly'' complete, but like the Antenna TV airings, they're not allowed to use ''The Tonight Show'' name so the intros are redone. Additionally, all the title cards are removed, and there is ''no'' stock music when guests enter, just applause.
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** Creator/BobHope was also on a lot, but it should be noted that he was not Johnny's favorite guest; Johnny felt confined by the typical format of his interviews, where he would repeatedly set up Bob's prepared punchlines. Bob was also hard of hearing in later years, so if Johnny went out of order, Bob might accidentally answer the wrong question. According to former head writer Andrew Nicholls:

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** Creator/BobHope was also on a lot, but it should be noted that he was not Johnny's favorite guest; Bob had an already-prepared and very convoluted set-up for his interviews where Johnny felt confined by the typical format of his interviews, where he would have to repeatedly set up Bob's prepared punchlines.punchlines, which made Johnny feel very confined. Bob was also hard of hearing in later years, so if Johnny went out of order, Bob might accidentally answer the wrong question. According to former head writer Andrew Nicholls:

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* CreatorsFavorite: Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Creator/CarlReiner. Many of these episodes are now streamed by Shout! Factory.

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* CreatorsFavorite: CreatorsFavorite:
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Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Creator/CarlReiner. Many of these episodes are now streamed by Shout! Factory.run.



--> '''Andrew Nicholls''': There was nothing spontaneous about Hope. He was a guy who relied on his writers for every topic. Johnny was very quick on his feet. Very well read. He was a guy who learned Swahili, learned Russian, learned astronomy. He appreciated people who he felt engaged with the real world. There was nothing to talk to Bob about.

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--> ---> '''Andrew Nicholls''': Nicholls:''' There was nothing spontaneous about Hope. He was a guy who relied on his writers for every topic. Johnny was very quick on his feet. Very well read. He was a guy who learned Swahili, learned Russian, learned astronomy. He appreciated people who he felt engaged with the real world. There was nothing to talk to Bob about.about.
** Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Creator/CarlReiner. Many of these episodes are now streamed by Shout! Factory.
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** ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred de Cordova plays his own FictionalCounterpart in the farm. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.

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** ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred de Cordova plays his own FictionalCounterpart in the farm.film. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.
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** ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred De Cordova plays his own FictionalCounterpart in the farm. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.

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** ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred De de Cordova plays his own FictionalCounterpart in the farm. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.

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** Music/TheBeachBoys recorded "Johnny Carson", an eccentric, but sincere, tribute to him and the show, on the 1977 album ''The Beach Boys Love You''.



** The show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' from ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'' is inspired by the ''The Tonight Show'', including the color pattern of the curtains and the host (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) is an {{expy}} of Johnny Carson.

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** The ''Film/TheKingOfComedy'' is about a wannabe comedian (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) who's obsessed with talk show host Jerry Langford (played by Creator/JerryLewis). Langford is obviously an {{expy}} of Carson, and Carson was even offered the role. He turned it down, but Carson's producer Fred De Cordova plays his own FictionalCounterpart in the farm. Then it went full circle in ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'', when De Niro played Carson {{expy}} Murray Franklin, whose show ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' from ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'' is inspired by the ''The Tonight Show'', including even borrowed the color pattern of the curtains and the host (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) is an {{expy}} of Johnny Carson.from Carson's ''Tonight Show''.

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: With selected episodes officially being released on DVD, Carson Productions is becoming increasingly insistent on having unauthorized Website/YouTube Carson clips removed from the site. To their credit, Carson Productions has been releasing a good number of complete episodes (usually the mid 70's 90 minute episodes) on [=YouTube=] for free viewing. And for the first time since 1992, the Carson shows are airing again on broadcast television, specifically the subchannel Antenna TV. When episodes started on Antenna TV, Carson Productions opened [[https://licensing.johnnycarson.com/ their licensing vault]] to the general public. New registrations are now likely limited to media personnel, though.

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: With selected episodes officially being released on DVD, Carson Productions is becoming increasingly insistent on having unauthorized Website/YouTube Carson clips removed from the site. To their credit, Carson Productions has been releasing a good number of complete episodes (usually the mid 70's 90 minute mid-'70s 90-minute episodes) on [=YouTube=] for free viewing. And for the first time since 1992, the Carson shows are airing again on broadcast television, specifically the subchannel Antenna TV. When episodes started on Antenna TV, Carson Productions opened [[https://licensing.johnnycarson.com/ their licensing vault]] to the general public. New registrations are now likely limited to media personnel, though.though.
** Episodes featuring such {{Guest Host}}s as Creator/JoanRivers, Creator/GarryShandling, and Creator/JayLeno are unavailable to the public under the current arrangement.
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* CreatorsFavorite: Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Creator/CarlReiner.

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* CreatorsFavorite: Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Creator/CarlReiner. Many of these episodes are now streamed by Shout! Factory.
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** The ''Tonight: 4 Decades of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson'' 15-disc DVD set sounds fantastic... except all the episodes are edited in some fashion; certain episodes are chopped down from the standard 43 minutes to a mere 23 minutes!
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* NamesTheSame: Younger viewers might be confused looking through episode guides that a frequent guest on the show was David Horowitz. No, not the conservative writer, but a consumer advocate who would teach the audience how to spot misleading or deceptive advertising.

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** Creator/BobHope was also on a lot, but it should be noted that he was not Johnny's favorite guest; Johnny felt confined by the typical format of his interviews, where he would repeatedly set up Bob's prepared punchlines. Bob was also hard of hearing in later years, so if Johnny went out of order, Bob might accidentally answer the wrong question. According to former head writer Andrew Nicholls:
--> '''Andrew Nicholls''': There was nothing spontaneous about Hope. He was a guy who relied on his writers for every topic. Johnny was very quick on his feet. Very well read. He was a guy who learned Swahili, learned Russian, learned astronomy. He appreciated people who he felt engaged with the real world. There was nothing to talk to Bob about.
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* CreatorsFavorite: Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Carl Reiner.

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* CreatorsFavorite: Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Carl Reiner.Creator/CarlReiner.
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** The show ''Live with Murray Franklin'' from ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'' is inspired by the ''The Tonight Show'', including the color pattern of the curtains and the host (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) is an {{expy}} of Johnny Carson.

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** The show ''Live with ''Live! With Murray Franklin'' from ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'' is inspired by the ''The Tonight Show'', including the color pattern of the curtains and the host (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) is an {{expy}} of Johnny Carson.
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** The show ''Live with Murray Franklin'' from ''Film/{{Joker|2019}}'' is inspired by the ''The Tonight Show'', including the color pattern of the curtains and the host (played by Creator/RobertDeNiro) is an {{expy}} of Johnny Carson.
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* ReferencedBy:
**Creator/JackNicholson in ''Film/TheShining''. "HEEERRE'S JOHNNY!" Director Creator/StanleyKubrick didn't recognize the reference because he was living in England at the time and ''The Tonight Show'' didn't air over there.
**1990s AlternativeRock band [=Dramarama=]'s song "Last Cigarette" includes the line "You don't have to read the headlines you can hear what Johnny Carson said."
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** Much of the first ten years, due to tape reuse. 1972-92 are intact.

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** Much of the first ten years, due to tape reuse. 1972-92 (coinciding with the show's move to Burbank) are intact.
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* AllStarCast: The same episode that originated the [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal Copper Clapper Caper]] also featured a Mighty Carson Art Players presentation of a ''Film/MutinyOnTheBounty'' parody. The "Players" other than Johnny were James Garner,[[note]](Fletcher Christian)[[/note]] Richard Crenna,[[note]](unnamed, likely Alexander Smith)[[/note]] Dan Rowan,[[note]](Able Seaman Rowan)[[/note]] Dick Martin,[[note]](Able Seaman Martin)[[/note]] and Milton Berle.[[note]](The Cook)[[/note]]
* CreatorsFavorite: Creator/BurtReynolds was on the show over ''sixty'' times during the 30-year run. Other frequent guests included David Steinberg, David Brenner, Bob Newhart, Creator/DonRickles, Buddy Hackett, Creator/GeorgeCarlin, Orson Bean, Charles Nelson Reilly, Creator/DavidLetterman, Creator/DomDeluise, and Carl Reiner.
* EditedForSyndication:
** In 1983, a ClipShow series called ''Carson's Comedy Classics'' was offered to local stations. Each half-hour episode consisted of two or three extended segments, usually "Mighty Carson Art Players" skits and/or segments with Carson characters such as Carnac and Aunt Blabby, plus shorter segments (i.e. commercial spoofs).
** Also applies to the Antenna TV run; as NBC owns the name "The Tonight Show", a new title sequence had to be made, referring to the show as simply "Johnny Carson". Though unlike ''Carson's Comedy Classics'', these are the full episodes (although occasionally, musical performances are cut, likely due to licensing issues).
* ExecutiveMeddling: As was common for the era, Johnny couldn't say what network a show was on if it wasn't NBC; he could only say "it airs on another network". The rule was relaxed starting with Leno's era.
* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: With selected episodes officially being released on DVD, Carson Productions is becoming increasingly insistent on having unauthorized Website/YouTube Carson clips removed from the site. To their credit, Carson Productions has been releasing a good number of complete episodes (usually the mid 70's 90 minute episodes) on [=YouTube=] for free viewing. And for the first time since 1992, the Carson shows are airing again on broadcast television, specifically the subchannel Antenna TV. When episodes started on Antenna TV, Carson Productions opened [[https://licensing.johnnycarson.com/ their licensing vault]] to the general public. New registrations are now likely limited to media personnel, though.
* MilestoneCelebration: Prime-time specials to observe his anniversary – 1972, to celebrate Carson's 10th anniversary of hosting the show; 1977, for his 15th; and annually from 1979-1991. The first special was rather limited as far as showing "classic" highlights, since most shows had been erased or recorded over, although famous moments – i.e., Ed Ames' tomahawk throw, the ''Franchise/{{Dragnet}}'' parody, Tiny Tim's wedding and others – were preserved and shown. The later specials had more archived clips, since all shows produced after sometime in 1972 exist.
* MissingEpisode:
** Much of the first ten years, due to tape reuse. 1972-92 are intact.
** The Antenna TV reruns almost entirely skip the guest hosted episodes, so unless you happen to have them taped off TV from their initial airings, good luck seeing them.
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