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** Despite its success, ''Substance'' hasn't been in print since 2005, thanks to London Records and Warner Bros. seeking to supplant it with the ''Singles'' compilation released that same year, which instead focuses on New Order's 7" A-sides and radio edits. In September of 2020, the compilation was finally added to streaming services, using the same master as the CD and DAT release (meaning the cassette-exclusive tracks are absent and "The Perfect Kiss" is cut short once again), though it has yet to return to print on a physical format.

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** Despite its success, ''Substance'' hasn't been in went out of print since in 2005, thanks to London Records and Warner Bros. seeking to supplant it with the ''Singles'' compilation released that same year, which instead focuses on New Order's 7" A-sides and radio edits. In September of 2020, the compilation was finally added to streaming services, using the same master as the CD and DAT release (meaning the cassette-exclusive tracks are absent and "The Perfect Kiss" is cut short once again), though it has yet to would not return to print on a physical format.format until 2023, when the band announced a deluxe remastered reissue on CD and vinyl (including the cassette-exclusive tracks).

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* ReferencedBy: Philippe Decouflé, who directed the music video for "True Faith", used it as the basis for the 1992 Winter Olympics' opening ceremony.

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Philippe Decouflé, who directed the music video for "True Faith", used it as the basis for the 1992 Winter Olympics' opening ceremony.ceremony.
** Music/Galaxie500 covered "Ceremony" on their ''Blue Thunder'' EP, which was eventually appended to CD reissues of their ''On Fire'' album.
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* MultiDiscWork: Most releases of the album package it as such due to the amount of content included.

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* MultiDiscWork: Most releases of the album package it as such across two discs due to the amount of content included.included. The UK DAT and cassette releases additionally spread it across two tapes, while many international cassette releases truncate it to one.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Elements of the "Confusion '87" version, including the "WWRL" and "Ra-tata-tatata-ta-ta-hey!" samples, were already present in live performances of the song from several years earlier.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Elements of the "Confusion '87" version, including the "WWRL" and "Ra-tata-tatata-ta-ta-hey!" samples, were already present in live performances of the song from several years earlier.
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* BadExportForYou: Many cassette releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a single double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S. The Canadian branch of Factory, distributed by [[Creator/PolydorRecords PolyGram]], decided to TakeAThirdOption and release the B-sides portion on cassette as [[https://www.discogs.com/release/2621988-New-Order-Substance-Sides a separate compilation]] entitled ''Substance Sides'' while also releasing the double-CD version.

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* BadExportForYou: Many cassette releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a single double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S. The Canadian branch of Factory, distributed by [[Creator/PolydorRecords PolyGram]], decided to TakeAThirdOption and release the B-sides portion on cassette as [[https://www.discogs.com/release/2621988-New-Order-Substance-Sides a separate compilation]] entitled ''Substance Sides'' while with artwork inspired by the "True Faith" single. They also releasing released the double-CD version.version in that country.
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* BadExportForYou: Many cassette releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a single double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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* BadExportForYou: Many cassette releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a single double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S. The Canadian branch of Factory, distributed by [[Creator/PolydorRecords PolyGram]], decided to TakeAThirdOption and release the B-sides portion on cassette as [[https://www.discogs.com/release/2621988-New-Order-Substance-Sides a separate compilation]] entitled ''Substance Sides'' while also releasing the double-CD version.
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* MoneyDearBoy: The band put out the compilation because they knew that a compilation featuring their non-album singles and 12-inch mixes would earn them a lot of money. They also quickly recorded a new single for the compilation because having another hit would increase the album's value.

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* MoneyDearBoy: The band put out the compilation because they knew that a compilation featuring their non-album singles and 12-inch mixes would earn them a lot of money.money with minimal effort. They also quickly recorded a new single for the compilation because having another hit would increase the album's value.
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* MoneyDearBoy: The band put out the compilation because they knew that a compilation featuring their non-album singles and 12-inch mixes would earn them a lot of money. They also quickly recorded a new single for the compilation because having another hit would increase the album's value.
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* BadExportForYou: Many cassette releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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* BadExportForYou: Many cassette releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a single double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.
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* {{Corpsing}}: The re-recorded "Confusion" ends with the band cracking up over the outro, segueing into a small bit of StudioChatter.
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* CompletelyDifferentTitle: "Thieves Like us" was renamed "夢盗人" (Dream Thief) in Japan.

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* CompletelyDifferentTitle: "Thieves Like us" Us" was renamed "夢盗人" (Dream Thief) in Japan.
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* FanNickname:
** ''Substance 1987'', after the cover art, thanks to the existence of the Music/JoyDivision compilation [[Music/SubstanceJoyDivisionAlbum of the same name]]; it's even the title the New Order album goes under on Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}.
** The re-recorded versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion" typically go by "Temptation '87" and "Confusion '87" among fans, both due to the lack of official distinguishing names and to keep in line with the band's later archival remixes.
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* ApprovalOfGod: According to Peter Hook, Errol Brown of Hot Chocolate responded to the interpolation of "Emma" in "Thieves Like Us" with a simple "Well done, my boy!"
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* ReferencedBy: Philippe Decouflé, who directed the music video for "True Faith", used it as the basis for the 1992 Winter Olympics' opening ceremony.
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* CompletelyDifferentTitle: "Thieves Like us" was renamed "夢盗人" (Dream Thief) in Japan.

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* PopCultureUrbanLegends: One account behind the plain packaging of the "Sub-Culture" single-- a generic black sleeve with a cutout for the disc label-- claims that Peter Saville openly refused to design a cover for the release, being dissatisfied with John Robie's mixing compared to the album version. However, Saville himself debunked this rumor on April 17, 2020, clarifying that he was never commissioned to design a sleeve in the first place.



* WriterRevolt: One account behind the plain packaging of the "Sub-Culture" single-- a generic black sleeve with a cutout for the disc label-- claims that Peter Saville openly refused to design a cover for the release, being dissatisfied with John Robie's mixing compared to the album version. Eventually he compromised by designing the label itself, with a typography credit attributed to "P/S/A" (Peter Saville Associates).
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* WriterRevolt: One account behind the plain packaging of the "Sub-Culture" single-- a generic black sleeve with a cutout for the disc label-- claims that Peter Saville openly refused to design a cover for the release, being dissatisfied with John Robie's mixing compared to the album version.

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* WriterRevolt: One account behind the plain packaging of the "Sub-Culture" single-- a generic black sleeve with a cutout for the disc label-- claims that Peter Saville openly refused to design a cover for the release, being dissatisfied with John Robie's mixing compared to the album version. Eventually he compromised by designing the label itself, with a typography credit attributed to "P/S/A" (Peter Saville Associates).
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: "1963" was originally meant to be the lead single for ''Substance'', with "True Faith" as the B-side. However, this configuration was swapped for the final release after the band's US label, Qwest Records, came to the conclusion that "True Faith" had greater commercial potential. While they ended up being right, with "True Faith" serving as the band's American BreakthroughHit, "1963" quickly became enough of a fan-favorite for it to later be remixed for inclusion in ''(the best of) [=NewOrder=]'' in 1994, with an additional remix on top of this becoming a single in its own right in January of 1995 (also being included on the US release of ''(the best of)'' in place of the 1994 mix).

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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: "1963" was originally meant to be the lead single for ''Substance'', with "True Faith" as the B-side. However, this configuration was swapped for the final release after the band's US label, Qwest Records, came to the conclusion that "True Faith" had greater commercial potential. While they ended up being right, with "True Faith" serving as the band's American BreakthroughHit, "1963" quickly became enough of a fan-favorite for it to later be remixed for inclusion in ''(the best of) [=NewOrder=]'' in 1994, with an additional remix on top of this becoming a single in its own right in January of 1995 (also being included on the US release of ''(the best of)'' in place of the 1994 mix).mix).
* WriterRevolt: One account behind the plain packaging of the "Sub-Culture" single-- a generic black sleeve with a cutout for the disc label-- claims that Peter Saville openly refused to design a cover for the release, being dissatisfied with John Robie's mixing compared to the album version.
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* ShrugOfGod: Bernard Sumner once said "I haven't a clue what this is about" when tasked with describing "The Perfect Kiss" in an interview. Later sources would state that it was inspired by a guy who randomly showed New Order his hidden gun collection before heading out for a night on the town.

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* ShrugOfGod: Bernard Sumner once said "I haven't a clue what this is about" when tasked with describing "The Perfect Kiss" in an interview. interview with ''GQ'' magazine. Later sources would state that it was at least partly inspired by a guy who randomly showed New Order his hidden gun collection before heading out for a night on the town.
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* ShrugOfGod: Bernard Sumner once said "I haven't a clue what this is about" when tasked with describing the song in an interview. Later sources would state that it was inspired by a guy who randomly showed New Order his hidden gun collection before heading out for a night on the town.

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* ShrugOfGod: Bernard Sumner once said "I haven't a clue what this is about" when tasked with describing the song "The Perfect Kiss" in an interview. Later sources would state that it was inspired by a guy who randomly showed New Order his hidden gun collection before heading out for a night on the town.
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* ShrugOfGod: Bernard Sumner once said "I haven't a clue what this is about" when tasked with describing the song in an interview. Later sources would state that it was inspired by a guy who randomly showed New Order his hidden gun collection before heading out for a night on the town.
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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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* BadExportForYou: The American Many cassette release releases outside the U.K., including in America, only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage being it was on a double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.
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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage was it being it was on a double-play cassette; instead, the packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.
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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette; instead, the J-card simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the A-sides portion, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette; instead, the J-card packaging simply plugged the double-CD release for those looking for the B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.
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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the main album, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette. The sticker on the CD shrink wrap advertised that the tracks on the second disc were only available on CD. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S. It's likely no accident that the Qwest cassette J-card proudly advertises that the compilation is also available on CD. T

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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the main album, A-sides portion, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette. The sticker on cassette; instead, the CD shrink wrap advertised that J-card simply plugged the tracks on double-CD release for those looking for the second disc were only available on CD.B-sides. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S. It's likely no accident that the Qwest cassette J-card proudly advertises that the compilation is also available on CD. T



** The re-recorded versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion" typically go by "Temptation '87" and "Confusion '87" among fans, for lack of an official name to distinguish them from the originals.

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** The re-recorded versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion" typically go by "Temptation '87" and "Confusion '87" among fans, for both due to the lack of an official name distinguishing names and to distinguish them from keep in line with the originals.band's later archival remixes.



** Despite its success, ''Substance'' hasn't been in print since 2005, thanks to London Records and Warner Bros. seeking to supplant it with the ''Singles'' compilation released that same year. Because ''that'' compilation focuses primarily on New Order's 7" singles and radio edits and only covering the A-sides, this means that, save for the 2008 collector's editions of the band's studio albums (on which many of them were included as bonus tracks), the 12" mixes and B-sides have more or less fallen by the wayside. In September of 2020, the compilation was finally added to streaming services, using the same master as the CD and DAT release (meaning the cassette-exclusive tracks are absent and "The Perfect Kiss" is cut short once again), though it has yet to return to print on a physical format.

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** Despite its success, ''Substance'' hasn't been in print since 2005, thanks to London Records and Warner Bros. seeking to supplant it with the ''Singles'' compilation released that same year. Because ''that'' compilation year, which instead focuses primarily on New Order's 7" singles A-sides and radio edits and only covering the A-sides, this means that, save for the 2008 collector's editions of the band's studio albums (on which many of them were included as bonus tracks), the 12" mixes and B-sides have more or less fallen by the wayside.edits. In September of 2020, the compilation was finally added to streaming services, using the same master as the CD and DAT release (meaning the cassette-exclusive tracks are absent and "The Perfect Kiss" is cut short once again), though it has yet to return to print on a physical format.



* MultiDiscWork: In its double-LP and double-CD configurations.

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* MultiDiscWork: In its double-LP and double-CD configurations.Most releases of the album package it as such due to the amount of content included.
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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the main album, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the main album, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette. The sticker on the CD shrink wrap advertised that the tracks on the second disc were only available on CD. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S. It's likely no accident that the Qwest cassette J-card proudly advertises that the compilation is also available on CD. T
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* BadExportForYou: The American cassette release only contained the main album, with the only advantage was it being on a double-play cassette. Qwest, unlike its parent label, Creator/WarnerBrosRecords, seemed actually keen to really promote the CD format, releasing the full double-CD version in the U.S.

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