Follow TV Tropes

Following

History TheScrappy / MarvelUniverse

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
The Destiny one is forced. The Moira backlash is mostly exclusively focused on her villainous turn.


** In '' ComicBook/XMenTheKrakoanAge'' both Moria and Destiny have become this due to a multitude retcons. For Moria some people don’t like her entirely new background and retroactively introduced powers coupled with her saturday morning cartoon villain antics after ''Inferno'' and even the fans who don’t mind the different direction for her character still feel her descent to outright genocidal villainy (complete with skinning Banshee and killing Jean) was rushed and sloppily handled. For Destiny, a good deal of fans dislike how she both TookALevelInJerkass (being controlling and emotional abusive to Rogue rather gentle and accepting like she previously was) and gets a colossal amount of CharacterShilling to be one of the most important mutants ever. The latest retcon to Nightcrawler’s origin where she’s not only his birth mother but apparently sent him to the circus because she foresaw that it was important for him to be raised that way doesn’t help either.

to:

** In '' ComicBook/XMenTheKrakoanAge'' both Moria and Destiny have become ComicBook/XMenTheKrakoanAge'', Moira X became this due to a multitude retcons. For Moria some people don’t like her entirely new background and retroactively introduced powers coupled with her saturday morning cartoon villain antics after ''Inferno'' and even the fans who don’t mind the different direction for her character still ''Inferno'', as many feel her descent to outright genocidal villainy (complete with skinning Banshee and killing Jean) was rushed and sloppily handled. For Destiny, a good deal of fans dislike how she both TookALevelInJerkass (being controlling and emotional abusive to Rogue rather gentle and accepting like she previously was) and gets a colossal amount of CharacterShilling to be one of While many found her powers interesting when the most important mutants ever. The latest retcon to Nightcrawler’s origin where she’s not only his birth mother but apparently sent him to saga began under Creator/JonathanHickman, the circus because she foresaw overall consensus is that it her character took an almost ''immediate'' downturn in writing quality once he announced he was important for him to be raised that way doesn’t help either. leaving the books, and the X-writers positioned her into the role of a villain.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod, while possessing a personality that made wet cardboard seem interesting. Even worse to the fans is that [[CreatorsPet he keeps getting shoehorned into other people's storylines]], while contributing nothing other than to serve as a reminder of how Peter and MJ will never get to stay together.

to:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] beau in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions him. His only point as no more than a walking plot device character is to enforce StatusQuoIsGod, while possessing a personality that made wet cardboard seem interesting. Even worse to the fans is that [[CreatorsPet he keeps getting shoehorned into other people's storylines]], while contributing nothing other than to serve as a reminder of how StatusQuoIsGod by keeping Peter and MJ will never get apart, because he has very little personality outside of that. To make matters worse, he's clearly ''not'' meant to stay together.be a HateSink, because most of the time, he's actually ''nice'', which actually only makes him worse in the fans' eyes, to the point that he's gained an ironic fanbase around this.



** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider an AudienceAlienatingEra for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug. This has, ironically, led to the fandom by and large forgiving Wanda, with most now recognizing that the whole sordid M-Day affair was the fault of ExecutiveMeddling, not her as a character.

to:

** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider an AudienceAlienatingEra for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and his involvement, instead having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug. This has, ironically, led to the fandom by and large forgiving Wanda, with most now recognizing that the whole sordid M-Day affair was the fault of ExecutiveMeddling, not her as a character.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I have been on a few different forums, and I have seen zero evidence of anything other than revulsion at Paul. Certainly nothing even approaching ironic memes about him.


** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]

to:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad StatusQuoIsGod, while possessing a personality that it's practically gone around made wet cardboard seem interesting. Even worse to the fans is that [[CreatorsPet he keeps getting shoehorned into other side people's storylines]], while contributing nothing other than to serve as a reminder of how Peter and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]] MJ will never get to stay together.

Added: 974

Changed: 123

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
added example(s)


** The first Madame Web, mainly because she gave a lot of {{vague|nessIsComing}} prophesizing and warning without ever actually ''helping'' Spider-Man with the threats she keeps saying are just around the corner. It wore on people's nerves after a while. Even in-universe Spidey doesn't like her all that much.

to:

** The first Madame Web, mainly because she gave a lot of {{vague|nessIsComing}} prophesizing and warning without ever actually ''helping'' Spider-Man with the threats she keeps saying are just around the corner. It wore on people's nerves after a while. Even in-universe Spidey doesn't like her all that much. You can imagine the collective {{facepalm}} Spidey fans had when Creator/{{Sony}} revealed the ''Film/MadameWeb'' trailer.


Added DiffLines:

** In '' ComicBook/XMenTheKrakoanAge'' both Moria and Destiny have become this due to a multitude retcons. For Moria some people don’t like her entirely new background and retroactively introduced powers coupled with her saturday morning cartoon villain antics after ''Inferno'' and even the fans who don’t mind the different direction for her character still feel her descent to outright genocidal villainy (complete with skinning Banshee and killing Jean) was rushed and sloppily handled. For Destiny, a good deal of fans dislike how she both TookALevelInJerkass (being controlling and emotional abusive to Rogue rather gentle and accepting like she previously was) and gets a colossal amount of CharacterShilling to be one of the most important mutants ever. The latest retcon to Nightcrawler’s origin where she’s not only his birth mother but apparently sent him to the circus because she foresaw that it was important for him to be raised that way doesn’t help either.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''ComicBook/{{Annihilation}}'': Few fans of ''ComicBook/AnnihilationConquest'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After the miniseries ended, Wraith only appeared as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself.

to:

* ''ComicBook/{{Annihilation}}'': Few fans of ''ComicBook/AnnihilationConquest'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After the miniseries ended, Wraith only appeared as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself.itself before returning over a decade later to be [[BackForTheDead killed off by Knull]] in ''Web of Venom''.

Added: 4

Changed: 4687

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Updating Links, Alphabatizing


* Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After the miniseries ended, Wraith only appeared as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself.

to:

* ''ComicBook/{{Annihilation}}'': Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' ''ComicBook/AnnihilationConquest'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After the miniseries ended, Wraith only appeared as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself.



** During the Busiek/Perez run, new character Triathlon wasn't held in very high esteem among the fandom. Some of this was due to being a member of a ChurchOfHappyology, some of this was due to his being foisted on the team by politics, but mostly due to his acting like a JerkAss to the established characters people actually like. After he left the group, any enmity against him was largely forgotten -- until he mercilessly killed [[DefectorFromDecadence Crusader]] at the end of ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''.

to:

** During the Busiek/Perez run, new character Triathlon wasn't held in very high esteem among the fandom. Some of this was due to being a member of a ChurchOfHappyology, some of this was due to his being foisted on the team by politics, but mostly due to his acting like a JerkAss to the established characters people actually like. After he left the group, any enmity against him was largely forgotten -- until he mercilessly killed [[DefectorFromDecadence Crusader]] at the end of ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''.''ComicBook/SecretInvasion2008''.



* From ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', there's Franklin Richards, the son of Reed and Susan Richards. Not only is he a frequent kidnapping victim, which in itself would probably make him a Scrappy, but he's also an all-powerful RealityWarper who is undoubtedly one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But even that has potential, as seen with characters like Superman, exploring what to do with that power and how much it weighs on people. But no, all he does is pull retcons and marketing gimmicks for Marvel (the much loathed ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'') and that's when his powers ''aren't'' suppressed. And when that's not happening, his entire character is being the "normal" person, but in a bland, having pretty much no character way. It doesn't help that Valeria Richards, Franklin's younger sister, is much more liked, due to being much more intelligent, fitting in with the high-concept stories more, ''and'' having an interesting relationship with ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Franklin was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some during Jonathan Hickman's beloved run, where Franklin was a focus. His adult counterpart was given an actual match for his powers, and his scenes with ComicBook/{{Galactus}} in particular are liked by many. Franklin himself began being developed into a character who had daddy issues because he is of average intelligence, and what was focused on was that Franklin had a big imagination in comparison to his sister Valeria's intelligence.

to:

* From ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', there's ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'': Franklin Richards, the son of Reed and Susan Richards. Not only is he a frequent kidnapping victim, which in itself would probably make him a Scrappy, but he's also an all-powerful RealityWarper who is undoubtedly one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But even that has potential, as seen with characters like Superman, exploring what to do with that power and how much it weighs on people. But no, all he does is pull retcons and marketing gimmicks for Marvel (the much loathed ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'') and that's when his powers ''aren't'' suppressed. And when that's not happening, his entire character is being the "normal" person, but in a bland, having pretty much no character way. It doesn't help that Valeria Richards, Franklin's younger sister, is much more liked, due to being much more intelligent, fitting in with the high-concept stories more, ''and'' having an interesting relationship with ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Franklin was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some during Jonathan Hickman's beloved run, where Franklin was a focus. His adult counterpart was given an actual match for his powers, and his scenes with ComicBook/{{Galactus}} in particular are liked by many. Franklin himself began being developed into a character who had daddy issues because he is of average intelligence, and what was focused on was that Franklin had a big imagination in comparison to his sister Valeria's intelligence.



* Sally "Website/YouTube is more important than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually expressed that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody to blame but himself for the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).
* Franchise/SpiderMan:

to:

* Sally "Website/YouTube is ''ComicBook/TheSentry'': The Sentry was originally received well enough (largely because of his interesting origins and his jaw droppingly cool fight with the Green Scar Hulk), until ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'' or ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. Unfortunately, Bendis got hold of him and turned him into Norman Osborn's pet killing machine with the mentality of a child, and gave him more important powers than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually expressed Silver Age Superman. This, combined with the fact that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody kept changing Sentry's origin and his relationship to blame [[EnemyWithout the Void]] (The Void is Sentry's split personality! The Void is the real Bob Reynolds, who was a druggie! The Void is the Angel of Death!), meant that eventually every reader had stopped caring about who the Sentry really was and just wanted him to go away. Even then, his "interesting" origins were a cause for a broken base considering they consisted of him stealing a random vial that somehow made him strong enough to fight off Galactus. That same one that much more technologically advanced Galaxy spanning empires like the Skrulls can't stop but himself for a much more primitive lab's random vial is just the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).
trick.
* Franchise/SpiderMan:''ComicBook/SpiderMan'':



** Carlie Cooper's portrayal resulted in a massive backlash from fans.[[note]]Creator/JoeQuesada, the mastermind behind ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', had originally intended to resurrect Gwen Stacy during the event, but as her death was too important to Spider-Man, he was turned down and conceived Carlie, named after his daughter, instead.[[/note]] Originally it was more along the lines of ReplacementScrappy for ComicBook/{{M|aryJaneWatson}}J, but it escalated when everyone, from past girlfriends to best friends, kept telling Peter how 'right' she was for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'. It was REALLY not helped by the fact she would get mad at Peter for the stupidest things, was pushed as a Woobie because her hero cop dad supposedly died only to be revealed he wasn't a hero and wasn't dead, act like a hypocrite, amongst other problems. She's also received ire for having similar characteristics as four of Peter's past love interests: troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy and attempted Adorkable (Deb Whitman), loves Peter for him (MJ, and an invert of ComicBook/BlackCat), is old friends with Harry Osborn, a tsundere, and Peter's 'true love' and perfect girl (Gwen). You could make the case that the writers are trying to evoke Gwen Stacy in her character, but in the end comes off as a lot like Comicbook/LanaLang in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. In the aftermath of ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', she was demoted to a supporting cast member without romantic interest in Peter. However, in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', the hatred for her increased tenfold, with Carlie somehow being the only one who investigated why Peter was acting massively out of character. She discovers what happened by doing what can be considered the barest minimum of detective work. Again, fans were not amused at Carlie getting such an easy win, and rejoiced when she was Goblin'd... only for it to inexplicably not work on her, and her alone. Fortunately, after that [[PutOnABus she left the Spidey books entirely.]]

to:

** Carlie Cooper's portrayal resulted in a massive backlash from fans.[[note]]Creator/JoeQuesada, the mastermind behind ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', had originally intended to resurrect Gwen Stacy during the event, but as her death was too important to Spider-Man, he was turned down and conceived Carlie, named after his daughter, instead.[[/note]] Originally it was more along the lines of ReplacementScrappy for ComicBook/{{M|aryJaneWatson}}J, but it escalated when everyone, from past girlfriends to best friends, kept telling Peter how 'right' she was for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'. It was REALLY not helped by the fact she would get mad at Peter for the stupidest things, was pushed as a Woobie because her hero cop dad supposedly died only to be revealed he wasn't a hero and wasn't dead, act like a hypocrite, amongst other problems. She's also received ire for having similar characteristics as four of Peter's past love interests: troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy and attempted Adorkable (Deb Whitman), loves Peter for him (MJ, and an invert of ComicBook/BlackCat), is old friends with Harry Osborn, a tsundere, and Peter's 'true love' and perfect girl (Gwen). You could make the case that the writers are trying to evoke Gwen Stacy in her character, but in the end comes off as a lot like Comicbook/LanaLang ComicBook/LanaLang in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. In the aftermath of ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', she was demoted to a supporting cast member without romantic interest in Peter. However, in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', the hatred for her increased tenfold, with Carlie somehow being the only one who investigated why Peter was acting massively out of character. She discovers what happened by doing what can be considered the barest minimum of detective work. Again, fans were not amused at Carlie getting such an easy win, and rejoiced when she was Goblin'd... only for it to inexplicably not work on her, and her alone. Fortunately, after that [[PutOnABus she left the Spidey books entirely.]]



* Comicbook/TheSentry was originally received well enough (largely because of his interesting origins and his jaw droppingly cool fight with the Green Scar Hulk), until ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'' or ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. Unfortunately, Bendis got hold of him and turned him into Norman Osborn's pet killing machine with the mentality of a child, and gave him more powers than Silver Age Superman. This, combined with the fact that writers kept changing Sentry's origin and his relationship to [[EnemyWithout the Void]] (The Void is Sentry's split personality! The Void is the real Bob Reynolds, who was a druggie! The Void is the Angel of Death!), meant that eventually every reader had stopped caring about who the Sentry really was and just wanted him to go away. Even then, his "interesting" origins were a cause for a broken base considering they consisted of him stealing a random vial that somehow made him strong enough to fight off Galactus. That same one that much more technologically advanced Galaxy spanning empires like the Skrulls can't stop but a much more primitive lab's random vial is just the trick.
* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyIsCool, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''. Ultimate Deadpool would eventually be unceremoniously killed off in ''[[ComicBook/DeadpoolKillsTheMarvelUniverse Deadpool Kills Deadpool]]'' by the main Deadpool, with few readers mourning him.

to:

* Comicbook/TheSentry was originally received well enough (largely ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'': Lee Price is widely regarded as the single worst Venom host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because of his interesting origins he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and his jaw droppingly cool fight with CreatorsPet who lacked any of the Green Scar Hulk), until ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'' or ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. Unfortunately, Bendis got hold likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at actually popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you that the readership ''cheered'' when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and turned him into Norman Osborn's pet killing machine with the mentality of humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a child, and gave him lot more powers than Silver Age Superman. This, combined with the fact that writers kept changing Sentry's origin and his relationship fans then he used to [[EnemyWithout the Void]] (The Void is Sentry's split personality! The Void is the real Bob Reynolds, who was a druggie! The Void is the Angel of Death!), meant that eventually every reader had stopped caring about who the Sentry really was and just wanted him to go away. Even then, his "interesting" origins were a cause for a broken base considering they consisted of him stealing a random vial that somehow made him strong enough to fight off Galactus. That same one that much more technologically advanced Galaxy spanning empires like the Skrulls can't stop but a much more primitive lab's random vial is just the trick.
have]].
* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'': Ultimate ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyIsCool, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''. Ultimate Deadpool would eventually be unceremoniously killed off in ''[[ComicBook/DeadpoolKillsTheMarvelUniverse Deadpool Kills Deadpool]]'' by the main Deadpool, with few readers mourning him.



** The third man to go by "Thunderbird", Neal Shaara, by virtue of having absolutely no right or reason to use that name[[note]]He originally was supposed to be called Agni, after the Vedic fire-god, but that was nixed by editorial for sounding too much like "acne".[[/note]]; the original Thunderbird and his brother were both Native Americans with superhuman strength, durability, and speed. Neal is/was an Indian with fire/energy powers. Having the popular Comicbook/{{Psylocke}} dump the also well-liked Archangel for this guy also rubbed people the wrong way.

to:

** The third man to go by "Thunderbird", Neal Shaara, by virtue of having absolutely no right or reason to use that name[[note]]He originally was supposed to be called Agni, after the Vedic fire-god, but that was nixed by editorial for sounding too much like "acne".[[/note]]; the original Thunderbird and his brother were both Native Americans with superhuman strength, durability, and speed. Neal is/was an Indian with fire/energy powers. Having the popular Comicbook/{{Psylocke}} ComicBook/{{Psylocke}} dump the also well-liked Archangel for this guy also rubbed people the wrong way.



* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. Not only is he the impetus of both of those [[FanonDiscontinuity ill-received]] books, but he directly caused the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret/Sentinel]] — three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years — and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]], all in a particularly embarrassing failed attempt by Hopeless at making a guy who had long been regarded as [[HarmlessVillain a lovable loser]] at best into [[NotSoHarmlessVillain a serious threat]]. All it succeeded in doing was making Arcade into probably the most hated villain in the MU and actually making his VillainDecay ''even worse'' then when he was regarded as a joke character, as other writers refused to play along and depicted him as a pathetic laughingstock [[EvenEvilHasStandards with a target on his back]] for going after teenagers, while fans just wanted Arcade dead and his victims restored to life. Tellingly, his next major appearance in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' was mostly just an excuse to [[TakeThatScrappy brutally kill him in the most humiliating, batshit insane, and over-the-top manner possible]].
* Lee Price is widely regarded as the single worst ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and CreatorsPet who lacked any of the likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at actually popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you that the readership ''cheered'' when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a lot more fans then he used to have]].

to:

* Minor X-Men villain ** Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. Not only is he the impetus of both of those [[FanonDiscontinuity ill-received]] books, but he directly caused the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret/Sentinel]] — three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years — and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]], all in a particularly embarrassing failed attempt by Hopeless at making a guy who had long been regarded as [[HarmlessVillain a lovable loser]] at best into [[NotSoHarmlessVillain a serious threat]]. All it succeeded in doing was making Arcade into probably the most hated villain in the MU and actually making his VillainDecay ''even worse'' then when he was regarded as a joke character, as other writers refused to play along and depicted him as a pathetic laughingstock [[EvenEvilHasStandards with a target on his back]] for going after teenagers, while fans just wanted Arcade dead and his victims restored to life. Tellingly, his next major appearance in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' was mostly just an excuse to [[TakeThatScrappy brutally kill him in the most humiliating, batshit insane, and over-the-top manner possible]].
* Lee Price ** Sally "Website/YouTube is widely regarded as the single worst ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and CreatorsPet who lacked any of the likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at more important than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you expressed that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the readership ''cheered'' reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody to blame but himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a lot more fans then he used to have]].for the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).
----
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Updating Link


** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]

to:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]
Mrph1 MOD

Added: 346

Changed: 71

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


!Franchise/MarvelUniverse
TheScrappy in this franchise.

to:

!Franchise/MarvelUniverse
Examples of TheScrappy in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse franchise.

Marvel Universe characters who have been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap have [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap/MarvelUniverse their own page]].

'''A Administrivia/{{No Recent Examples|please}} rule applies to
this franchise.trope'''. Examples shouldn't be added until '''six months''' after a character is introduced or becomes hated, to avoid any knee-jerk reactions.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


!!Franchise/MarvelUniverse

to:

!!Franchise/MarvelUniverse!Franchise/MarvelUniverse
TheScrappy in this franchise.
----
Mrph1 MOD

Changed: 131

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After four issues of fans wondering how a twelve-year-old's fanfiction got shuffled in with the Annihilation scripts, Wraith proceeded to appear only as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself.

to:

* Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After four issues of fans wondering how a twelve-year-old's fanfiction got shuffled in with the Annihilation scripts, miniseries ended, Wraith proceeded to appear only appeared as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself.
Mrph1 MOD

Changed: 64

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After four issues of fans wondering how a twelve-year-old's fanfiction got shuffled in with the Annihilation scripts, Wraith proceeded to appear only as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself, and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome never appeared again afterward]].

to:

* Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After four issues of fans wondering how a twelve-year-old's fanfiction got shuffled in with the Annihilation scripts, Wraith proceeded to appear only as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself, and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome never appeared again afterward]].itself.
Mrph1 MOD

Changed: 20

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]

to:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's mysterious new beau in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]

to:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's [[TheExsNewJerkass mysterious new beau beau]] in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him.him, in addition to the fact that he functions as no more than a walking plot device to enforce StatusQuoIsGod. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's mysterious new beau in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him.

to:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's mysterious new beau in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him. The heat for Paul is actually so bad that it's practically gone around the other side and turned him into a FountainOfMemes, with readers describing him as alternatively [[MemeticBadass the greatest villain in the book's history, or the greatest hero of the Marvel Universe.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's mysterious new beau in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManWellsAndRomitaJr'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderManNickSpencer the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Brought this up on the cleanup thread. May was judged to be more of a BBC than a Scrappy, since she is not hated enough to be the latter trope.


** Aunt May, to those who feel her character has become TheArtifact. As Peter Parker is now an adult, a grandmotherly figure seems more unnecessary. It doesn't help that his attempts at saving her life [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay caused the most hated storyline in Spider Man History.]] It ''also'' doesn't help that both of her deaths were extremely well-received, especially the first, and undoing them so she can be a grandmother to Peter is seen as really unnecessary.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. Not only is he the impetus of both of those [[FanonDiscontinuity ill-received]] books, but he directly caused the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret/Sentinel]] — three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years — and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]], all in a particularly embarrassing failed attempt by Hopless at making a guy who had long been regarded as [[HarmlessVillain a lovable loser]] at best into [[NotSoHarmlessVillain a serious threat]]. All it succeeded in doing was making Arcade into probably the most hated villain in the MU and actually making his VillainDecay ''even worse'' then when he was regarded as a joke character, as other writers refused to play along and depicted him as a pathetic laughingstock [[EvenEvilHasStandards with a target on his back]] for going after teenagers, while fans just wanted Arcade dead and his victims restored to life. Tellingly, his next major appearance in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' was mostly just an excuse to [[TakeThatScrappy brutally kill him in the most humiliating, batshit insane, and over-the-top manner possible]].

to:

* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. Not only is he the impetus of both of those [[FanonDiscontinuity ill-received]] books, but he directly caused the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret/Sentinel]] — three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years — and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]], all in a particularly embarrassing failed attempt by Hopless Hopeless at making a guy who had long been regarded as [[HarmlessVillain a lovable loser]] at best into [[NotSoHarmlessVillain a serious threat]]. All it succeeded in doing was making Arcade into probably the most hated villain in the MU and actually making his VillainDecay ''even worse'' then when he was regarded as a joke character, as other writers refused to play along and depicted him as a pathetic laughingstock [[EvenEvilHasStandards with a target on his back]] for going after teenagers, while fans just wanted Arcade dead and his victims restored to life. Tellingly, his next major appearance in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' was mostly just an excuse to [[TakeThatScrappy brutally kill him in the most humiliating, batshit insane, and over-the-top manner possible]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I cut the whole entry. Beast has had the entry since 2017 or 2018, so I thought it was a valid entry and should remain. However, after seeing the discussion in the Scrappy Cleanup forum, I thought it was best to cut it since it contradicts his Broken Base and Base Breaking Character entries on other pages; as well as proof that there are readers who actually like Beast’s current portrayal. However, I think some of the points made should be used in his Broken Base and Base Breaking entries since a LOT of people I’ve seen on social media find Beast’s portrayal in Ben Percy’s Wolverine and X-Force more aggravating and overblown than amusing or engaging.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
See discussion page for reasons behind Beast being cut (edit reason for previous edit, no other changes)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like most X-Men characters did in that time or at least be given the RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessarilyEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of {{Idiot Ball}}s during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of DidntThinkThisThrough - bordering on TooDumbToLive. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a {{Hate Sink}} to tolerate and, an arguably simplistic character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or {{Continuity Nod}}s regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s {{mind rape}}s; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it. Many a reader has argued that Beast’s present Krakoa characterization is ''incongruous'' with his post-Schism characterization, despite the latter being the catalyst to his [[TookALevelInJerkass raised levels in jerkass]].
Mrph1 MOD

Changed: -21

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Authors Saving Throw deleted - it's now trivia, with a different meaning


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessarilyEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of {{Idiot Ball}}s during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of DidntThinkThisThrough - bordering on TooDumbToLive. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a {{Hate Sink}} to tolerate and, an arguably simplistic character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] time or at least be given the RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessarilyEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of {{Idiot Ball}}s during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of DidntThinkThisThrough - bordering on TooDumbToLive. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a {{Hate Sink}} to tolerate and, an arguably simplistic character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably simplistic character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it. Many a reader has argued that Beast’s present Krakoa characterization is ''incongruous'' with his post-Schism characterization, despite the latter being the catalyst to his [[TookALevelInJerkass raised levels in jerkass]].

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil [[NecessarilyEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] {{Idiot Ball}}s during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] DidntThinkThisThrough - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]].TooDumbToLive. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] {{Hate Sink}} to tolerate and, an arguably simplistic character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] {{Continuity Nod}}s regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; {{mind rape}}s; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it. Many a reader has argued that Beast’s present Krakoa characterization is ''incongruous'' with his post-Schism characterization, despite the latter being the catalyst to his [[TookALevelInJerkass raised levels in jerkass]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional simplistic character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it. Many a reader has argued that Beast’s present Krakoa characterization is ''incongruous''with his post-Schism characterization, despite the latter being the catalyst to his [[TookALevelInJerkass raised levels in jerkass]].

to:

** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it. Many a reader has argued that Beast’s present Krakoa characterization is ''incongruous''with ''incongruous'' with his post-Schism characterization, despite the latter being the catalyst to his [[TookALevelInJerkass raised levels in jerkass]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it.

to:

** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it. Many a reader has argued that Beast’s present Krakoa characterization is ''incongruous''with his post-Schism characterization, despite the latter being the catalyst to his [[TookALevelInJerkass raised levels in jerkass]].

Added: 477

Changed: -4

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse [[BreakoutCharacter one of the most popular X-Men]] Marvel characters]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.instead.
** For further damage, the Krakoa era hasn’t provided any [[CallBack Call-Backs]] or [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] regarding Hank’s previous traumatic experiences (Cassandra Nova’s [[MindRape mind rapes]]; being abducted and replaced by his Dark Beast counterpart; M-Day and its aftermath; the deaths of his many friends; ''and a handful of others'') to crystalize his worst-than-ever behavior. Making it come across as him being more horrible just because he felt like it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or AwesomeEvil conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or AwesomeEvil EvilIsCool conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsAwesome conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, an arguably one-dimensional character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsAwesome AwesomeEvil conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be a blatant [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable redeemable, sympathetic, or charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a an arguably one-dimensional character.character, and more of a nuisance than a character with LoveToHate or EvilIsAwesome conceits. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be a blatant an obvious [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius Cornelius, and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and he is made to be a blatant [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

to:

* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable sympathetic, or sympathetic charismatic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and he is made the Wolverine 2020 run make him to be a blatant [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius and Professor Thornton. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

Top