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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and he is only Hank McCoy in name and appearance only as he is more [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute similar to Dr. Abraham Cornelius and Professor Thornton.]] The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and he is only Hank McCoy in name and appearance only as he is more made to be a blatant [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute similar Suspiciously Similar Substitute]] to Dr. Abraham Cornelius and Professor Thornton.]] The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype stereotype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then than the actual Beast nowadays. That, and he is only Hank McCoy in name and appearance only as he is more [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute similar to Dr. Abraham Cornelius and Professor Thornton.]] The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug. This has, ironically, led to the fandom by and large forgiving Wanda, with most now recognizing that the whole sordid M-Day affair was the fault of ExecutiveMeddling, not her as a character.

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** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge an AudienceAlienatingEra for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug. This has, ironically, led to the fandom by and large forgiving Wanda, with most now recognizing that the whole sordid M-Day affair was the fault of ExecutiveMeddling, not her as a character.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a generic and rather overblown [[NecessaryEvil Necessary Evil]] archetype - a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a plot device for shock value; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-note character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a plot device for shock value; make [[FauxlosophicNarration pretentious monologues about the importance of his role or what is currently happening]]; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place with a nasty case of [[DidntThinkThisThrough Didn’t Think This Through]] - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-note one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a plot device for shock value; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a plot device for shock value; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional one-note character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, issue. In sharp contrast to his previous characterizations, he is portrayed in X-Force 2019 and Wolverine 2020 as completely lacking any redeemable or sympathetic traits; having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; a plot device for shock value; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for petty grief]] to former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* Lee Price is widely regarded as the single worst ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and CreatorsPet who lacked any of the likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at actuallt popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you that the readership ''cheered'' when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a lot more fans then he used to have]].

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* Lee Price is widely regarded as the single worst ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and CreatorsPet who lacked any of the likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at actuallt actually popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you that the readership ''cheered'' when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a lot more fans then he used to have]].
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant villainous and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place.place - bordering on [[TooDumbToLive Too Dumb To Live]]. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawmanCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawmanCharacter [[StrawCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly worsening reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then than serve as an unsubtle [[StrawmanCharacter Strawman]] for the books’ espionage/political concept; make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure.tenure; often causing the main conflicts and setbacks in the first place. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him with Krakoa’s national security anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for friends, allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for former friends, former allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself.himself; or cause [[KickTheDog unnecessary]] grief for friends, allies, or strangers alike. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate.tolerate and, arguably, a one-dimensional character. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]].time]] or at least be given the [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From The Scrappy Heap]] treatment. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; X-Men]] and something of a [[PopularWithFurries Furry icon]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. To add further salt to the wound, he has been portrayed as constantly [[IRejectYourReality deluding]] himself into believing he is still a heroic and noble individual no matter how [[ObliviouslyEvil blatantly repugnant and pointless his methods are.]] All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this made him lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. That, and he has carried a large handful of [[IdiotBall Idiot Balls]] during his tenure. All of this results in him being perceived as too much of a [[HateSink Hate Sink]] to tolerate. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make him popular. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make made him popular.lose many fans he garnered throughout the years. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. Even worse, [[KarmaHoudini he gets away scot-free with his actions despite every logical reason why he shouldn’t; namely that many characters don’t trust him at all, and are aware of his destructive actions, but do virtually nothing to put a stop to it for no other reason besides “carte blanche”;]] despite the fact that even the authority figures who granted him “carte blanche” don’t trust him anymore. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.

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** Aunt May, to those who feel her character has become TheArtifact. As Peter Parker is now an adult, a grandmotherly figure seems more unnecessary. It doesn't help that his attempts at saving her life [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay caused the most hated storyline in Spider Man History.]] It ''also'' doesn't help that both of her deaths were well-received, especially the first, an undoing them so she can be a grandmother to Peter is seen as really unnecessary.

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** Aunt May, to those who feel her character has become TheArtifact. As Peter Parker is now an adult, a grandmotherly figure seems more unnecessary. It doesn't help that his attempts at saving her life [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay caused the most hated storyline in Spider Man History.]] It ''also'' doesn't help that both of her deaths were extremely well-received, especially the first, an and undoing them so she can be a grandmother to Peter is seen as really unnecessary.



** All of the Inheritors except Morlun and Karn. While some dislike Morlun, most are ambivalent towards him and he had a mysterious and scary vibe that made him a decent addition to the RoguesGallery. The others on the other hand are generally considered boring and annoying at best, and ruin Morlun's style at worst. Two stand out in particular:

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** All of the Inheritors except Morlun and Karn. While some dislike Morlun, most are ambivalent towards him and he had a mysterious and scary vibe that made him a decent addition to the RoguesGallery. The others on the other hand are generally considered boring and annoying at best, and ruin Morlun's style at worst.worst, and fans despise how Creator/DanSlott seems obsessed with constantly bringing them back to try and use them to [[CListFodder slaughter beloved characters for shock value]]. Two stand out in particular:



** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug.
* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. His only real actions of note are causing the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret and Sentinel]], three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years. He became even more hated after the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event, where he was given a whole domain of his own to make heroes kill each other in for no reason at all... [[TakeThatScrappy and then Marvel rectified the problem]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the best way possible]]: [[spoiler:[[KilledOffForReal by killing him]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill in the most glorious way possible]]]].
* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make him popular.

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** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug.
rug. This has, ironically, led to the fandom by and large forgiving Wanda, with most now recognizing that the whole sordid M-Day affair was the fault of ExecutiveMeddling, not her as a character.
* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. His Not only real actions is he the impetus of note are causing both of those [[FanonDiscontinuity ill-received]] books, but he directly caused the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret and Sentinel]], Seyfret/Sentinel]] — three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years. He became even more years — and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]], all in a particularly embarrassing failed attempt by Hopless at making a guy who had long been regarded as [[HarmlessVillain a lovable loser]] at best into [[NotSoHarmlessVillain a serious threat]]. All it succeeded in doing was making Arcade into probably the most hated villain in the MU and actually making his VillainDecay ''even worse'' then when he was regarded as a joke character, as other writers refused to play along and depicted him as a pathetic laughingstock [[EvenEvilHasStandards with a target on his back]] for going after the teenagers, while fans just wanted Arcade dead and his victims restored to life. Tellingly, his next major appearance in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event, where he was given a whole domain of his own mostly just an excuse to make heroes kill each other in for no reason at all... [[TakeThatScrappy and then Marvel rectified the problem]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the best way possible]]: [[spoiler:[[KilledOffForReal by killing him]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill brutally kill him in the most glorious way possible]]]].
humiliating, batshit insane, and over-the-top manner possible]].
* ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make him popular. When the Krakoan Age rolled around, many hoped he would get [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] like [[AuthorsSavingThrow most X-Men characters did in that time]]. Instead, the writers seem to have inexplicably doubled down on it, and Beast has only become more and more obnoxious, egotistical, and unlikable with every issue, having been twisted into a mutant black ops director who seems to do nothing other then make morally appalling "[[ShootTheDog hard choices]]" for the "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans greater good]]" that don't seem to actually benefit anybody other then maybe himself. You know things have gotten bad when many readers feel that Dark Beast — Hank's EvilCounterpart and widely considered [[CompleteMonster one of the most despicable X-Men villains ever]] — is more likable and sympathetic then the actual Beast nowadays. The horrid irony of it all is that he ''used'' to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse one of the most popular X-Men]]; nobody can figure out why Marvel seems determined to make him the most hated instead.
* Lee Price is widely regarded as the single worst ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'' host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and CreatorsPet who lacked any of the likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at actuallt popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you that the readership ''cheered'' when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a lot more fans then he used to have]].

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* ComicBook/TheInhumans, never the most popular of Marvel's character groups, have steadily become this following the Terrigen bomb - the fact that they were taking the place of the X-Men, both symbolically (young people with new powers popping up everywhere, being found and guided by a senior team) and as a species, what with the Terrigen cloud giving mutants 'M-Pox', a knock-off of the Legacy Virus.[[note]]Not helping things was the ExecutiveMeddling where Ike Perlmutter orchestrated the push of the Inhumans in the place of the X-Men because at the time, the X-Men's film rights had not been regained by Marvel yet.[[/note]] The Inhumans' general self-righteousness, the fact that they treated an attack on the Terrigen cloud by the X-Men as an excuse to respond with lethal force (as is pointed out, without the Terrigen, the worst that happens is some people don't get powers. With it, mutants are on the verge of extinction), primarily against Scott [[spoiler:or rather, Emma Frost's projection of him]]. Oh, and then they depict him as Mutant Hitler - needless to say, the X-Men's revenge in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' was one of the few parts of it that was widely applauded. Really, it isn't so much a matter of trying to imagine why they're so disliked, but why ''anyone'' would like them in the first place.
** ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make him popular.

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* ComicBook/TheInhumans, never the most popular of Marvel's character groups, have steadily become this following the Terrigen bomb - the fact that they were taking the place of the X-Men, both symbolically (young people with new powers popping up everywhere, being found and guided by a senior team) and as a species, what with the Terrigen cloud giving mutants 'M-Pox', a knock-off of the Legacy Virus.[[note]]Not helping things was the ExecutiveMeddling where Ike Perlmutter orchestrated the push of the Inhumans in the place of the X-Men because at the time, the X-Men's film rights had not been regained by Marvel yet.[[/note]] The Inhumans' general self-righteousness, the fact that they treated an attack on the Terrigen cloud by the X-Men as an excuse to respond with lethal force (as is pointed out, without the Terrigen, the worst that happens is some people don't get powers. With it, mutants are on the verge of extinction), primarily against Scott [[spoiler:or rather, Emma Frost's projection of him]]. Oh, and then they depict him as Mutant Hitler - needless to say, the X-Men's revenge in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' was one of the few parts of it that was widely applauded. Really, it isn't so much a matter of trying to imagine why they're so disliked, but why ''anyone'' would like them in the first place.
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ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make him popular.
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* ''ComicBook/XMen:'' A number throughout the years due to its LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters.

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** Cindy Moon aka ComicBook/{{Silk}} was this when she was first introduced (she got seriously RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap when her ongoing came out though). Created via retcon as a girl who was ''also'' bitten by the same radioactive spider as Peter Parker, Silk was a ''huge'' CreatorsPet and ReplacementScrappy who was introduced to be both Peter's new love interest and crime-fighting partner, whose debut storyline also featured the ''highly'' controversial FaceHeelTurn of Black Cat. Besides her powers being essentially 'Spider-Man's only better', she also had StrangledByTheRedString as an ''actual'' part of her powerset, as she produced pheromones that made herself and Peter unable to stop trying to make out when together, something that raises ''serious'' questions about consent. All of this combined with her ItsAllAboutMe disposition, and her inexperience in superheroing[[note]]leading to the deaths of [[spoiler: Last-Stand Spider-Man and Spider-Assassin]] during ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', during which she was a ''huge'' SpotlightStealingSquad[[/note]] made her heavily disliked...and yet, for some reason Marvel decided to give her an ongoing series.[[note]]Fortunately, the latter turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as the book quickly retconned out her pheromone powers and gave her ''heavy'' CharacterDevelopment, put focus on her anxiety and depression while downplaying her JerkAss tendencies and thus transformed her from a selfish idiot into an Adorkable but well-meaning rookie. Her relationship with Peter was also changed into something more platonic, and her book gave Black Cat ''much'' better attention than Silk's aforementioned debut story did, with Cindy and Felicia developing a very well-liked dynamic, and she became something of a MoralityPet for J. Jonah Jameson. By the time her run finished its course, she was completely unrecognisable from the girl people were decrying back in ''Spider-Verse''.[[/note]]

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** Cindy Moon aka ComicBook/{{Silk}} was this when she was first introduced (she got seriously RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap when her ongoing came out though). Created via retcon as a girl who was ''also'' bitten by the same radioactive spider as Peter Parker, Silk was a ''huge'' CreatorsPet and ReplacementScrappy who was introduced to be both Peter's new love interest and crime-fighting partner, whose debut storyline also featured the ''highly'' controversial FaceHeelTurn of Black Cat. Besides her powers being essentially 'Spider-Man's only better', she also had StrangledByTheRedString as an ''actual'' part of her powerset, as she produced pheromones that made herself and Peter unable to stop trying to make out when together, something that raises ''serious'' questions about consent. All of this combined with her ItsAllAboutMe disposition, and her inexperience in superheroing[[note]]leading to the deaths of [[spoiler: Last-Stand [[spoiler:Last-Stand Spider-Man and Spider-Assassin]] during ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', during which she was a ''huge'' SpotlightStealingSquad[[/note]] made her heavily disliked...and yet, for some reason Marvel decided to give her an ongoing series.[[note]]Fortunately, the latter turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as the book quickly retconned out her pheromone powers and gave her ''heavy'' CharacterDevelopment, put focus on her anxiety and depression while downplaying her JerkAss tendencies and thus transformed her from a selfish idiot into an Adorkable but well-meaning rookie. Her relationship with Peter was also changed into something more platonic, and her book gave Black Cat ''much'' better attention than Silk's aforementioned debut story did, with Cindy and Felicia developing a very well-liked dynamic, and she became something of a MoralityPet for J. Jonah Jameson. By the time her run finished its course, she was completely unrecognisable from the girl people were decrying back in ''Spider-Verse''.[[/note]]



*** Daemos, Morlun's bigger, dumber, eviler brother. Mostly for having very few personality traits beyond... "big, dumb, and evil." Also because he [[spoiler: killed MC2 Peter Parker and Spider-Man Unlimited]].
*** Morlun's father Solus too, for being an InvincibleVillain capable of [[spoiler: killing Captain Universe!Spider-Man with little effort, despite the latter being a PhysicalGod]].

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*** Daemos, Morlun's bigger, dumber, eviler brother. Mostly for having very few personality traits beyond... "big, dumb, and evil." Also because he [[spoiler: killed MC2 [[spoiler:killed [[ComicBook/MarvelComics2 MC2]] Peter Parker and Spider-Man Unlimited]].
*** Morlun's father Solus too, for being an InvincibleVillain capable of [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing Captain Universe!Spider-Man with little effort, despite the latter being a PhysicalGod]].



* ''ComicBook/XMen:'' A number through out the years due to its LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters.

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* ''ComicBook/XMen:'' A number through out throughout the years due to its LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters.



** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug.
* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. His only real actions of note are causing the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret and Sentinel]], three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years. He became even more hated after the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event, where he was given a whole domain of his own to make heroes kill each other in for no reason at all... [[TakeThatScrappy and then Marvel rectified the problem]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the best way possible]]: [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal by killing him]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill in the most glorious way possible]]]].
* The {{ComicBook/Inhumans}}, never the most popular of Marvel's character groups, have steadily become this following the Terrigen bomb - the fact that they were taking the place of the X-Men, both symbolically (young people with new powers popping up everywhere, being found and guided by a senior team) and as a species, what with the Terrigen cloud giving mutants 'M-Pox', a knock-off of the Legacy Virus.[[note]]Not helping things was the ExecutiveMeddling where Ike Perlmutter orchestrated the push of the Inhumans in the place of the X-Men because at the time, the X-Men's film rights had not been regained by Marvel yet.[[/note]] The Inhumans' general self-righteousness, the fact that they treated an attack on the Terrigen cloud by the X-Men as an excuse to respond with lethal force (as is pointed out, without the Terrigen, the worst that happens is some people don't get powers. With it, mutants are on the verge of extinction), primarily against Scott [[spoiler:or rather, Emma Frost's projection of him]]. Oh, and then they depict him as Mutant Hitler - needless to say, the X-Men's revenge in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' was one of the few parts of it that was widely applauded. Really, it isn't so much a matter of trying to imagine why they're so disliked, but why ''anyone'' would like them in the first place.

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** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex husband, ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug.
* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. His only real actions of note are causing the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret and Sentinel]], three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years. He became even more hated after the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event, where he was given a whole domain of his own to make heroes kill each other in for no reason at all... [[TakeThatScrappy and then Marvel rectified the problem]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the best way possible]]: [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal [[spoiler:[[KilledOffForReal by killing him]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill in the most glorious way possible]]]].
* The {{ComicBook/Inhumans}}, ComicBook/TheInhumans, never the most popular of Marvel's character groups, have steadily become this following the Terrigen bomb - the fact that they were taking the place of the X-Men, both symbolically (young people with new powers popping up everywhere, being found and guided by a senior team) and as a species, what with the Terrigen cloud giving mutants 'M-Pox', a knock-off of the Legacy Virus.[[note]]Not helping things was the ExecutiveMeddling where Ike Perlmutter orchestrated the push of the Inhumans in the place of the X-Men because at the time, the X-Men's film rights had not been regained by Marvel yet.[[/note]] The Inhumans' general self-righteousness, the fact that they treated an attack on the Terrigen cloud by the X-Men as an excuse to respond with lethal force (as is pointed out, without the Terrigen, the worst that happens is some people don't get powers. With it, mutants are on the verge of extinction), primarily against Scott [[spoiler:or rather, Emma Frost's projection of him]]. Oh, and then they depict him as Mutant Hitler - needless to say, the X-Men's revenge in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' was one of the few parts of it that was widely applauded. Really, it isn't so much a matter of trying to imagine why they're so disliked, but why ''anyone'' would like them in the first place.
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* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyIsCool, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''.

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* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyIsCool, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''. Ultimate Deadpool would eventually be unceremoniously killed off in ''[[ComicBook/DeadpoolKillsTheMarvelUniverse Deadpool Kills Deadpool]]'' by the main Deadpool, with few readers mourning him.
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** Michelle Gonzales, a token love interest for Peter from the BND era. Michelle is a violent bully who wound up becoming Peter's roommate when Vin went to prison, and regularly insulted, abused, and humiliated Peter.
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* None of the Marvel Scrappies above, however, compare with reporter Sally "Website/YouTube is more important than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually expressed that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody to blame but himself for the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).

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* None of the Marvel Scrappies above, however, compare with reporter Sally "Website/YouTube is more important than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually expressed that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody to blame but himself for the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).
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* From ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', there's Franklin Richards, the son of Reed and Susan Richards. Not only is he a frequent kidnapping victim, which in itself would probably make him a Scrappy, but he's also an all-powerful RealityWarper who is undoubtedly one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But even that has potential, as seen with characters like Superman, exploring what to do with that power and how much it weighs on people. But no, all he does is pull retcons and marketing gimmicks for Marvel (the much loathed ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'') and that's when his powers ''aren't'' suppressed. And when that's not happening, his entire character is being the "normal" person, but in a bland, having pretty much no character way. It doesn't help that Valeria Richards, Franklin's younger sister, is much more liked, due to being much more intelligent, fitting in with the high-concept stories more, ''and'' having an interesting relationship with ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Franklin was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some during Jonathan Hickman's beloved run, where Franklin was a focus. His adult counterpart was given an actual match for his powers, and his scenes with ComicBook/{{Galactus}} in particular are liked by some, while others consider it to be just another AssPull. Franklin himself began being developed into a character who had daddy issues because he is of average intelligence, and what was focused on was that Franklin had a big imagination in comparison to his sister Valeria's intelligence.

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* From ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', there's Franklin Richards, the son of Reed and Susan Richards. Not only is he a frequent kidnapping victim, which in itself would probably make him a Scrappy, but he's also an all-powerful RealityWarper who is undoubtedly one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But even that has potential, as seen with characters like Superman, exploring what to do with that power and how much it weighs on people. But no, all he does is pull retcons and marketing gimmicks for Marvel (the much loathed ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'') and that's when his powers ''aren't'' suppressed. And when that's not happening, his entire character is being the "normal" person, but in a bland, having pretty much no character way. It doesn't help that Valeria Richards, Franklin's younger sister, is much more liked, due to being much more intelligent, fitting in with the high-concept stories more, ''and'' having an interesting relationship with ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Franklin was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some during Jonathan Hickman's beloved run, where Franklin was a focus. His adult counterpart was given an actual match for his powers, and his scenes with ComicBook/{{Galactus}} in particular are liked by some, while others consider it to be just another AssPull.many. Franklin himself began being developed into a character who had daddy issues because he is of average intelligence, and what was focused on was that Franklin had a big imagination in comparison to his sister Valeria's intelligence.
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** ComicBook/{{Carnage}} has been around for quite some time, and while he does have his fans, a sizable chunk of the fanbase really hates him and always has hated him. When he first came out, he was widely decried as a Joker copy minus any of what actually makes the Joker a good villain. His near-total lack of meaningful character development has not helped his cause. Being a violent nihilist who devotes his entire existence to murdering as many people as possible may have worked just fine in the Nineties, but as comics began to move away from that type of thing, he did not change one bit. His tendency to go around inflicting TheWorfEffect just to show how much of a threat he is also doesn't tend to go over well. Marvel at least seems to be somewhat aware of how widely disliked he is and periodically does things to try and re-establish him, but none of those attempts have ever actually addressed the core issues of why fans hate him. It says quite a lot about Carnage when by far his most popular appearance in years was in ''ComicBook/{{Axis}}''... a comic whose core gimmick was heroes and villains being turned into the opposite of their former selves. In fact, usual Carnage is disliked by so many that fellow Scrappy ComicBook/TheSentry briefly managed to briefly [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get himself off the list]] by flying Carnage into space and [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe ripping him in half.]]
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* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyAwesome, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''.

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* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyAwesome, CrazyIsCool, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''.
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* Few fans of ''[[{{ComicBook/Annihilation}} Annihilation: Conquest]]'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After four issues of fans wondering how a twelve-year-old's fanfiction got shuffled in with the Annihilation scripts, Wraith proceeded to appear only as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself, and [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome never appeared again afterward]].
* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'':
** During the Busiek/Perez run, new character Triathlon wasn't held in very high esteem among the fandom. Some of this was due to being a member of a ChurchOfHappyology, some of this was due to his being foisted on the team by politics, but mostly due to his acting like a JerkAss to the established characters people actually like. After he left the group, any enmity against him was largely forgotten -- until he mercilessly killed [[DefectorFromDecadence Crusader]] at the end of ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''.
** ComicBook/WonderMan earned this reputation back in the 80's, when he was a member of the West Coast Avengers. The fan reaction to the infamous storyline where he tried to break up ComicBook/ScarletWitch and ComicBook/TheVision so that he could date the former earned him the ire of a number of readers.
* From ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'', there's Franklin Richards, the son of Reed and Susan Richards. Not only is he a frequent kidnapping victim, which in itself would probably make him a Scrappy, but he's also an all-powerful RealityWarper who is undoubtedly one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But even that has potential, as seen with characters like Superman, exploring what to do with that power and how much it weighs on people. But no, all he does is pull retcons and marketing gimmicks for Marvel (the much loathed ''ComicBook/HeroesReborn'') and that's when his powers ''aren't'' suppressed. And when that's not happening, his entire character is being the "normal" person, but in a bland, having pretty much no character way. It doesn't help that Valeria Richards, Franklin's younger sister, is much more liked, due to being much more intelligent, fitting in with the high-concept stories more, ''and'' having an interesting relationship with ComicBook/DoctorDoom. Franklin was RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some during Jonathan Hickman's beloved run, where Franklin was a focus. His adult counterpart was given an actual match for his powers, and his scenes with ComicBook/{{Galactus}} in particular are liked by some, while others consider it to be just another AssPull. Franklin himself began being developed into a character who had daddy issues because he is of average intelligence, and what was focused on was that Franklin had a big imagination in comparison to his sister Valeria's intelligence.
** However, pretty much immediately after Hickman's run ended and Matt Fraction's run began, he reverted to his entire character being "the kid" of the group. It didn't help that Valeria also became that kind of character, drawing attention to it.
** [[HesAllGrownUp Dan Slott's take on Franklin]] has proven immensely unpopular. He remains a central focus of Slott's run, but has been heavily flanderized. When he's not PluckyComicRelief, he's angsting. He has been nerfed yet again. Only this time, much of his pagetime is spent acting like a jerk and complaining about his power seep (despite previous incarnations of the character showing much more maturity over this very issue.)
* None of the Marvel Scrappies above, however, compare with reporter Sally "Website/YouTube is more important than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually expressed that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody to blame but himself for the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).
* Franchise/SpiderMan:
** Aunt May, to those who feel her character has become TheArtifact. As Peter Parker is now an adult, a grandmotherly figure seems more unnecessary. It doesn't help that his attempts at saving her life [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay caused the most hated storyline in Spider Man History.]] It ''also'' doesn't help that both of her deaths were well-received, especially the first, an undoing them so she can be a grandmother to Peter is seen as really unnecessary.
** The first Madame Web, mainly because she gave a lot of {{vague|nessIsComing}} prophesizing and warning without ever actually ''helping'' Spider-Man with the threats she keeps saying are just around the corner. It wore on people's nerves after a while. Even in-universe Spidey doesn't like her all that much.
** ComicBook/{{Carnage}} has been around for quite some time, and while he does have his fans, a sizable chunk of the fanbase really hates him and always has hated him. When he first came out, he was widely decried as a Joker copy minus any of what actually makes the Joker a good villain. His near-total lack of meaningful character development has not helped his cause. Being a violent nihilist who devotes his entire existence to murdering as many people as possible may have worked just fine in the Nineties, but as comics began to move away from that type of thing, he did not change one bit. His tendency to go around inflicting TheWorfEffect just to show how much of a threat he is also doesn't tend to go over well. Marvel at least seems to be somewhat aware of how widely disliked he is and periodically does things to try and re-establish him, but none of those attempts have ever actually addressed the core issues of why fans hate him. It says quite a lot about Carnage when by far his most popular appearance in years was in ''ComicBook/{{Axis}}''... a comic whose core gimmick was heroes and villains being turned into the opposite of their former selves. In fact, usual Carnage is disliked by so many that fellow Scrappy ComicBook/TheSentry briefly managed to briefly [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get himself off the list]] by flying Carnage into space and [[HalfTheManHeUsedToBe ripping him in half.]]
** A lot of the villains introduced during ''ComicBook/BrandNewDay'', like Freak or Paper Doll, were rather hated by fans due to replacing many of Spidey's established foes as well as the new villains established during JMS's run. At the same time many of said villains lacked the traits that made the old bad guys likable or cool. The only exceptions to this are Mr. Negative and Overdrive, who have managed to establish themselves as lasting and worthy new additions to Spidey's RoguesGallery.
** Michelle Gonzales, a token love interest for Peter from the BND era. Michelle is a violent bully who wound up becoming Peter's roommate when Vin went to prison, and regularly insulted, abused, and humiliated Peter.
** New "hero" Alpha due to basically being the antithesis to everything Spider-Man stands for (has zero responsibility, wastes his gifts, has an ego the size of a mountain, etc.).
** Carlie Cooper's portrayal resulted in a massive backlash from fans.[[note]]Creator/JoeQuesada, the mastermind behind ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', had originally intended to resurrect Gwen Stacy during the event, but as her death was too important to Spider-Man, he was turned down and conceived Carlie, named after his daughter, instead.[[/note]] Originally it was more along the lines of ReplacementScrappy for ComicBook/{{M|aryJaneWatson}}J, but it escalated when everyone, from past girlfriends to best friends, kept telling Peter how 'right' she was for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'. It was REALLY not helped by the fact she would get mad at Peter for the stupidest things, was pushed as a Woobie because her hero cop dad supposedly died only to be revealed he wasn't a hero and wasn't dead, act like a hypocrite, amongst other problems. She's also received ire for having similar characteristics as four of Peter's past love interests: troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy and attempted Adorkable (Deb Whitman), loves Peter for him (MJ, and an invert of ComicBook/BlackCat), is old friends with Harry Osborn, a tsundere, and Peter's 'true love' and perfect girl (Gwen). You could make the case that the writers are trying to evoke Gwen Stacy in her character, but in the end comes off as a lot like Comicbook/LanaLang in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. In the aftermath of ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', she was demoted to a supporting cast member without romantic interest in Peter. However, in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', the hatred for her increased tenfold, with Carlie somehow being the only one who investigated why Peter was acting massively out of character. She discovers what happened by doing what can be considered the barest minimum of detective work. Again, fans were not amused at Carlie getting such an easy win, and rejoiced when she was Goblin'd... only for it to inexplicably not work on her, and her alone. Fortunately, after that [[PutOnABus she left the Spidey books entirely.]]
** Cindy Moon aka ComicBook/{{Silk}} was this when she was first introduced (she got seriously RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap when her ongoing came out though). Created via retcon as a girl who was ''also'' bitten by the same radioactive spider as Peter Parker, Silk was a ''huge'' CreatorsPet and ReplacementScrappy who was introduced to be both Peter's new love interest and crime-fighting partner, whose debut storyline also featured the ''highly'' controversial FaceHeelTurn of Black Cat. Besides her powers being essentially 'Spider-Man's only better', she also had StrangledByTheRedString as an ''actual'' part of her powerset, as she produced pheromones that made herself and Peter unable to stop trying to make out when together, something that raises ''serious'' questions about consent. All of this combined with her ItsAllAboutMe disposition, and her inexperience in superheroing[[note]]leading to the deaths of [[spoiler: Last-Stand Spider-Man and Spider-Assassin]] during ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', during which she was a ''huge'' SpotlightStealingSquad[[/note]] made her heavily disliked...and yet, for some reason Marvel decided to give her an ongoing series.[[note]]Fortunately, the latter turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as the book quickly retconned out her pheromone powers and gave her ''heavy'' CharacterDevelopment, put focus on her anxiety and depression while downplaying her JerkAss tendencies and thus transformed her from a selfish idiot into an Adorkable but well-meaning rookie. Her relationship with Peter was also changed into something more platonic, and her book gave Black Cat ''much'' better attention than Silk's aforementioned debut story did, with Cindy and Felicia developing a very well-liked dynamic, and she became something of a MoralityPet for J. Jonah Jameson. By the time her run finished its course, she was completely unrecognisable from the girl people were decrying back in ''Spider-Verse''.[[/note]]
** All of the Inheritors except Morlun and Karn. While some dislike Morlun, most are ambivalent towards him and he had a mysterious and scary vibe that made him a decent addition to the RoguesGallery. The others on the other hand are generally considered boring and annoying at best, and ruin Morlun's style at worst. Two stand out in particular:
*** Daemos, Morlun's bigger, dumber, eviler brother. Mostly for having very few personality traits beyond... "big, dumb, and evil." Also because he [[spoiler: killed MC2 Peter Parker and Spider-Man Unlimited]].
*** Morlun's father Solus too, for being an InvincibleVillain capable of [[spoiler: killing Captain Universe!Spider-Man with little effort, despite the latter being a PhysicalGod]].
* Comicbook/TheSentry was originally received well enough (largely because of his interesting origins and his jaw droppingly cool fight with the Green Scar Hulk), until ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'' or ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. Unfortunately, Bendis got hold of him and turned him into Norman Osborn's pet killing machine with the mentality of a child, and gave him more powers than Silver Age Superman. This, combined with the fact that writers kept changing Sentry's origin and his relationship to [[EnemyWithout the Void]] (The Void is Sentry's split personality! The Void is the real Bob Reynolds, who was a druggie! The Void is the Angel of Death!), meant that eventually every reader had stopped caring about who the Sentry really was and just wanted him to go away. Even then, his "interesting" origins were a cause for a broken base considering they consisted of him stealing a random vial that somehow made him strong enough to fight off Galactus. That same one that much more technologically advanced Galaxy spanning empires like the Skrulls can't stop but a much more primitive lab's random vial is just the trick.
* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'' has their take on Comicbook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyAwesome, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''.
* ''ComicBook/XMen:'' A number through out the years due to its LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters.
** A notable example is Maggott. A mutant with a very disturbing power who spoke in thoroughly annoying South African slang and was hyped up as being awesome, amongst other complaints. Fortunately, they got rid of him after a short-but-not-short-enough amount of time. And now he's dead.
** The third man to go by "Thunderbird", Neal Shaara, by virtue of having absolutely no right or reason to use that name[[note]]He originally was supposed to be called Agni, after the Vedic fire-god, but that was nixed by editorial for sounding too much like "acne".[[/note]]; the original Thunderbird and his brother were both Native Americans with superhuman strength, durability, and speed. Neal is/was an Indian with fire/energy powers. Having the popular Comicbook/{{Psylocke}} dump the also well-liked Archangel for this guy also rubbed people the wrong way.
** More than practically any other teen X-Men character, Ink from the very short-lived ''Young X-Men'' series was hated by many fans. The fact that the writer went to extreme lengths (like ya know, giving him the power of Phoenix) to make him seem important did not go over well with fans, and he also had the stigma of being a human rather than a mutant. Being a JerkAss and bizarrely ending up with Emma Frost in a BadFuture also didn't help.
** In second place would be Icarus, for his {{Wangst}}, his bringing up his dead girlfriend (whom he'd only dated for a week) every other appearance, and the fact that [[spoiler:he ends up trusting an ObviouslyEvil SinisterMinister and getting himself and many of his friends killed in the process]]. A panel of [[spoiler:his dead body]] with a ridiculous expression on his face has become a meme in the fandom. His wangst is especially bad when you consider that the rest of his team actually have ''legitimate'' emotional problems. He even compared the feeling of losing the aforementioned girlfriend to losing ''everything'', even though he has a supportive mother as well as brothers and sisters who are also mutants and attend Xavier's ''with'' him, and is generally not in any of the conflicts at Xavier's. [[FacePalm What's worst is that he said this to Surge, whose father basically disowned her because of her powers, and whose mother is too afraid to stand up to him.]] Icarus already had two strikes against him, having been created by the fan-reviled Chuck Austen and introduced in what's generally considered one of the worst X-Men stories of all time. His {{Wangst}} didn't so much tip him over the edge as throw him bodily off of it.
** Very difficult to believe now, but ComicBook/KittyPryde started out like this. Her introductory story was fine, but some fans thought that Claremont had no idea what to do with her after Creator/JohnByrne left (it did not help that Byrne's final three issues were crowning moments of awesome for Kitty). Her acceptance became general in the Brood arc (which also introduced Lockheed, her constant companion) and with the story "Professor Xavier Is A Jerk!" which was fittingly about Kitty Pryde justifying her membership of the X-Men.
** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider a DorkAge for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at it and having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug.
* Minor X-Men villain Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. His only real actions of note are causing the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret and Sentinel]], three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years. He became even more hated after the ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' event, where he was given a whole domain of his own to make heroes kill each other in for no reason at all... [[TakeThatScrappy and then Marvel rectified the problem]] [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the best way possible]]: [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal by killing him]] [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill in the most glorious way possible]]]].
* The {{ComicBook/Inhumans}}, never the most popular of Marvel's character groups, have steadily become this following the Terrigen bomb - the fact that they were taking the place of the X-Men, both symbolically (young people with new powers popping up everywhere, being found and guided by a senior team) and as a species, what with the Terrigen cloud giving mutants 'M-Pox', a knock-off of the Legacy Virus.[[note]]Not helping things was the ExecutiveMeddling where Ike Perlmutter orchestrated the push of the Inhumans in the place of the X-Men because at the time, the X-Men's film rights had not been regained by Marvel yet.[[/note]] The Inhumans' general self-righteousness, the fact that they treated an attack on the Terrigen cloud by the X-Men as an excuse to respond with lethal force (as is pointed out, without the Terrigen, the worst that happens is some people don't get powers. With it, mutants are on the verge of extinction), primarily against Scott [[spoiler:or rather, Emma Frost's projection of him]]. Oh, and then they depict him as Mutant Hitler - needless to say, the X-Men's revenge in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'' was one of the few parts of it that was widely applauded. Really, it isn't so much a matter of trying to imagine why they're so disliked, but why ''anyone'' would like them in the first place.
** ComicBook/{{Beast|MarvelComics}} has increasingly become this since ''Schism'', becoming increasingly arrogant and self-righteous as he takes increasingly reckless decisions (bringing the O5 to the future being just one), [[WhatTheHellHero then when called out for them by all of the X-Men]], retorts that they can't possibly be smart enough to understand what he's doing and thus to judge him. Unsurprisingly, this does not make him popular.

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