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** [[ReplacementScrappy Noel and Serah]] in VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII-2 . Noel for getting bucketloads of screentime in the trailers, and Serah for referring to Snow (her ''fiance'') as a "friend" in the trailer, and because fans see her as a replacement of the main protagonist, Lightning (the fact that Serah is, in fact, Lightning's sister; the fact that she seems to have the exact same paradigm roles (Commando, Ravager, and Medic); The fact that her mission is described as being exactly the same as Lightning's ("Save her sister"...though really, what could Serah do to help a supposed Warrior Goddess?); the fact that she seems to have a suspiciously similar weapon to Lightning (instead of a gunblade, it's a swordbow); etc...probably doesn't help very much. It also probably didn't help that they described Lightning as the main protagonist for the first six months and then suddenly show Serah for 98% of the trailers and announced that Lightning would only make brief playable appearances). Noel...well...he just has the misfortune of being described as the replacement for the original main cast.

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** [[ReplacementScrappy Noel and Serah]] in VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII-2 .''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII2''. Noel for getting bucketloads of screentime in the trailers, and Serah for referring to Snow (her ''fiance'') as a "friend" in the trailer, and because fans see her as a replacement of the main protagonist, Lightning (the fact that Serah is, in fact, Lightning's sister; the fact that she seems to have the exact same paradigm roles (Commando, Ravager, and Medic); The fact that her mission is described as being exactly the same as Lightning's ("Save her sister"...though really, what could Serah do to help a supposed Warrior Goddess?); the fact that she seems to have a suspiciously similar weapon to Lightning (instead of a gunblade, it's a swordbow); etc...probably doesn't help very much. It also probably didn't help that they described Lightning as the main protagonist for the first six months and then suddenly show Serah for 98% of the trailers and announced that Lightning would only make brief playable appearances). Noel...well...he just has the misfortune of being described as the replacement for the original main cast.
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Entry was more about translation/localization issues than the character.


* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' has an odd example: in the [[FanTranslation RPGe]] and GBA translations, Faris is considered to be a fun, entertaining character. In the [=PS1=] port, they gave her a [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate accent]] that was completely awful and overdone in every scene, making her ''incredibly'' obnoxious. [[note]]The GBA Translation retains some aspects of the pirate accent, but it's toned down significantly and is very well-done in comparison. [[/note]]
-->'''GBA Translation''': Trying to steal my ship, are you? You've a lot of brass...\\
'''[=PS1=] Translation''': D'arr! Ye got courage...Tryin' to steal me ship from under me own nose!
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I wouldn't considered Arydin a scrappy since he has already established himself as a character that we Love To Hate. Plus he gets a lot of screen time since he is the Big Bad. This sounds more like a Base Breaker issue than a scrappy


** Ardyn Izunia, despite being the main antagonist and was supposed to be hated for murdering Lunafreya, is hated for entirely different reasons. First off, [[SpotlightStealingSquad he hogged up a lot of the game's screen time at the expense of the other antagonists such as Iedolus and Versitael]] and he also came across as very annoying and irritating. The final boss against him left fans to feel less cathartic about beating him due to how the battle was laid out and ended with a quick time event.

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Entire groups cannot be scrappies.


* Fans started a Scrappydom ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI all the way back]]'', with the Black Belt/Master class. Mind you, the BB was actually ''stronger'' than the Fighter ([[Webcomic/EightBitTheater who likes swords]]), but its defenses were negligible, as equipping armor reduced its attack power. After becoming Master, while the class becomes even ''more'' powerful, it lacks the ability to use magic when both rival classes, Knight and Ninja, can.

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* Fans started a Scrappydom ''[[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI all the way back]]'', with the Black Belt/Master class. Mind you, the BB was actually ''stronger'' than the Fighter ([[Webcomic/EightBitTheater who likes swords]]), but its defenses were negligible, as equipping armor reduced its attack power. After becoming Master, while the class becomes even ''more'' powerful, it lacks the ability to use magic when both rival classes, Knight and Ninja, can.
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** Lunafreya Nox Fluret; before the game was released, she was hated for [[ReplacementScrappy being the rewritten version of Stella Nox Fleuret]], a supposed AntiVillain with powers similar to Noctis back when the game was still ''Versus XIII''. After the game is released, she then became mainly hated for only having [[AdvertisedExtra a few important scenes of screen time despite advertisements pointing out that she is a main character.]] Her [[StrangledByTheRedString romance with Noctis is considered to be very underdeveloped due to not spending much time together on screen]] and her death at the hands of Ardyn has failed to make fans sympathize with her and made her look like a cheap Aerith expy through this.
** Iedolus Adelcarpt is also another scrappy as he as also failed to live up to his character role through lack of screen time. He is supposed to be a major antagonist and the chancellor of Niflheim yet he only get a couple of important scenes that only last a few minutes.
** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character as he was only present in one very brief scene in the game. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was [[spoiler:Prompto's father]] was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more.

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** Lunafreya Nox Fluret; before the game was released, she was hated for [[ReplacementScrappy being the rewritten version of Stella Nox Fleuret]], a supposed AntiVillain with powers similar to Noctis back when the game was still ''Versus XIII''. After the game is released, she then became mainly hated for only having [[AdvertisedExtra a few important scenes of screen time despite advertisements pointing out that she is a main character.]] Her [[StrangledByTheRedString romance with Noctis is considered to be very underdeveloped due to not spending much time together on screen]] and her death at the hands of Ardyn has failed to make fans sympathize with her and made her look like a cheap Aerith expy through this.
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** Iedolus Adelcarpt is also another scrappy as he as also failed to live up to his character role through lack of screen time. He is supposed to be a major antagonist and the chancellor of Niflheim yet he only get a couple of important scenes that only last a few minutes. In addition, the player doesn't even get to fight him while he is human but instead fights him in chapter 13, which is seen as the game's worst level while he has been transformed into a demonic monster called Foras.
** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character as he was only present in one very brief scene in the game. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was [[spoiler:Prompto's father]] was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more. The episode Prompto DLC has him RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap though by not only giving him more screen time and making him the main antagonist of the DLC but also acknowledging his fatherly relationship with Prompto and making that relationship an important plot point in the episode.



** The game's version of Bahamut. First off, he is king of the Astral but he basically causes the events of the game to happen by having Ardyn be a messiah like figure against Ifrit and the Starscourge and then repays him by having him demonized simply because Ardyn absorbed the evils in the world. Then Bahamut came up with a massive plan to end the starscourge when he should have has the power to eradicate it himself. That plan involves having Noctis absorbed into the crystal and stay there for 10 years, then releasing him back out and having him sacrifice himself not taking into consideration all of the things Noctis went through. Bahamut is also a summonable character but players disliked the fact that they could only summon Bahamut in only one point of the game, with it being the boss fight against Ifrit and that summon does not defeat Ifrit but rather moves the whole boss fight into the second phase, leaving Shiva and Noctis to clean up the whole mess

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** The game's version of Bahamut. First off, he is king of the Astral Astrals but he basically causes the events of the game to happen by having Ardyn be become a messiah like figure against Ifrit and the Starscourge and then repays him by having him demonized simply because Ardyn absorbed the evils in the world. Then Bahamut came up with a massive plan to end the starscourge when he should have has had the power to eradicate it himself. That plan involves having Noctis absorbed into the crystal and stay there for 10 years, then releasing him back out and having him sacrifice himself not taking into consideration all of the horrible things Noctis went through.through such as losing his father and Lunafreya. Bahamut is also a summonable character but players disliked the fact that they could only summon Bahamut in only one point of the game, with it being the boss fight against Ifrit and that summon does not defeat Ifrit but rather moves the whole boss fight into the second phase, leaving Shiva and Noctis to clean up the whole mess
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** The game's version of Bahamut. First off, he is king of the Astral but he basically causes the events of the game to happen by having Ardyn be a messiah like figure against Ifrit and the Starscourge and then repays him by having him demonized simply because Ardyn absorbed the evils in the world. Then Bahamut came up with a massive plan to end the starscourge when he should have has the power to eradicate it himself. That plan involves having Noctis absorbed into the crystal and stay there for 10 years, then releasing him back out and having him sacrifice himself not taking into consideration all of the things Noctis went through. Bahamut is also a summonable character but players disliked the fact that they could only summon Bahamut in only one point of the game, with it being the boss fight against Ifrit and that summon does not defeat Ifrit but rather moves the whole boss fight into the second phase, leaving Shiva and Noctis to clean up the whole mess

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** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was [[spoiler:Prompto's father]] was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more.
** Cor Leonis was advertised as an important character and a party member in the game and was even advertised as part of the main cast in photos featuring him and the four other main characters walking together, yet he only gets to be a guest character in only two parts of the game with them being finding the first of the royal arms and participating in a boss fight against Loqi Tummelt. He also failed to protect King Regis from death in the Insomnia invasion.

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** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character.character as he was only present in one very brief scene in the game. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was [[spoiler:Prompto's father]] was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more.
** Cor Leonis was advertised as an important character and a party member in the game and was even advertised as part of the main cast in photos featuring him and the four other main characters walking together, yet he only gets to be a guest character in only two parts of the game with them being finding the first of the royal arms and participating in a boss fight against Loqi Tummelt. He also failed to protect King Regis from death in the Insomnia invasion.
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** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was Prompto's father was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more.

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** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was Prompto's father [[spoiler:Prompto's father]] was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more.



** Ardyn Izunia, despite being the main antagonist and was supposed to be hated for murdering Lunafreya, is hated for entirely different reasons. First off, he hogged up a lot of the game's screen time at the expense of the other antagonists such as Iedolus and Versitael and he also came across as very annoying and irritating. The final boss against him left fans to feel less cathartic about beating him due to how the battle was laid out and ended with a quick time event.

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** Ardyn Izunia, despite being the main antagonist and was supposed to be hated for murdering Lunafreya, is hated for entirely different reasons. First off, [[SpotlightStealingSquad he hogged up a lot of the game's screen time at the expense of the other antagonists such as Iedolus and Versitael Versitael]] and he also came across as very annoying and irritating. The final boss against him left fans to feel less cathartic about beating him due to how the battle was laid out and ended with a quick time event.
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* ''Videogame/FinalFantasyXV'': Many of the game's examples below are scrappies due to spending less time in the limelight than they should have.
** Lunafreya Nox Fluret, is mainly hated for only having a few important scenes of screen time despite advertisements pointing out that she is a main character. Her romance with Noctis is considered to be very underdeveloped due to not spending much time together on screen and her death at the fans of Ardyn has failed to make fans sympathize with her and made her look like a cheap Aerith expy through this.

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* ''Videogame/FinalFantasyXV'': Many of the game's examples below are scrappies due to [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter spending less time in the limelight than they should have.
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** Lunafreya Nox Fluret, Fluret; before the game was released, she was hated for [[ReplacementScrappy being the rewritten version of Stella Nox Fleuret]], a supposed AntiVillain with powers similar to Noctis back when the game was still ''Versus XIII''. After the game is released, she then became mainly hated for only having [[AdvertisedExtra a few important scenes of screen time despite advertisements pointing out that she is a main character. character.]] Her [[StrangledByTheRedString romance with Noctis is considered to be very underdeveloped due to not spending much time together on screen screen]] and her death at the fans hands of Ardyn has failed to make fans sympathize with her and made her look like a cheap Aerith expy through this.

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** There's also [[CrutchCharacter Cyan]], a {{Samurai}} spends most of the game moping (though it's justified; his ENTIRE NATION was killed early on), speaks in YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe (that other characters openly mock), has rather low magic stats in battle, and his special ability, [=SwdTech=]/Bushido, takes forever to charge up. This was sort of fixed in the IOS version, where you can select your [=SwdTech=] before you charge it.

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** There's also [[CrutchCharacter Cyan]], a {{Samurai}} spends most of the game moping (though it's justified; his ENTIRE NATION and his FAMILY was killed early on), speaks in YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe (that other characters openly mock), has rather low magic stats in battle, and his special ability, [=SwdTech=]/Bushido, takes forever to charge up. This was sort of fixed in the IOS version, where you can select your [=SwdTech=] before you charge it.



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** Versitael Besithia was also supposed to be an antagonist in the game yet his time on screen was extremely minimal and he came across as a very bland character. Many fans who played the game have even forgotten that he existed in the game by the time they got to the last chapter. The fact that he was Prompto's father was not even revealed on screen and had to be revealed via WordOfGod as this revelation would have fleshed out Versitael a bit more.
** Cor Leonis was advertised as an important character and a party member in the game and was even advertised as part of the main cast in photos featuring him and the four other main characters walking together, yet he only gets to be a guest character in only two parts of the game with them being finding the first of the royal arms and participating in a boss fight against Loqi Tummelt. He also failed to protect King Regis from death in the Insomnia invasion.
** Ardyn Izunia, despite being the main antagonist and was supposed to be hated for murdering Lunafreya, is hated for entirely different reasons. First off, he hogged up a lot of the game's screen time at the expense of the other antagonists such as Iedolus and Versitael and he also came across as very annoying and irritating. The final boss against him left fans to feel less cathartic about beating him due to how the battle was laid out and ended with a quick time event.

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a character cant be a scrappy and a hate sink at the same time and that applies to Argath. you contradicted yourself by mentioning that he is a hate sink and by saying that he crossed the moral event horizon since a character MEH is proof that creators intended for a character to be hated


** Argath Thadalfus is clearly [[HateSink intended to be hated]], but he's also technically on your side for most of his screen time. A perfect example of AristocratsAreEvil, he spends his time as a guest character doing nothing but showing contempt for everyone not of noble blood - which includes several members of your party - until he finally crosses the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:casually killing Tietra when an enemy tried to use her as a HumanShield]]. He is hated so much that he is almost guaranteed to appear in any "Most hated video game characters" poll, especially since he is from a ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' title. The PSP version of the game includes an extra stage in which Argath comes BackFromTheDead just so the player can have the pleasure of killing him a second time.


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** Lunafreya Nox Fluret, is mainly hated for only having a few important scenes of screen time despite advertisements pointing out that she is a main character. Her romance with Noctis is considered to be very underdeveloped due to not spending much time together on screen and her death at the fans of Ardyn has failed to make fans sympathize with her and made her look like a cheap Aerith expy through this.
** Iedolus Adelcarpt is also another scrappy as he as also failed to live up to his character role through lack of screen time. He is supposed to be a major antagonist and the chancellor of Niflheim yet he only get a couple of important scenes that only last a few minutes.
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** Barret, whose profanity and tough guy slang caused many to label him as a [[EthnicScrappy racist stereotype]] and an example of the tendency of Japanese translators to apply such dialogue to characters based on skin color.

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** Barret, whose profanity and tough guy slang caused many to label him as a [[EthnicScrappy racist stereotype]] and an example of the tendency of Japanese translators games to apply such dialogue to characters based on skin color.
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has so many characters on the player's side that are almost universally hated, one wonders if it was intentional. Chief among them is Alphinaud, who doesn't do anything but talk, and talk, and goddamn talk, always in a smug and condescending manner. He bosses everyone around, never actually ''does'' anything remotely productive, and is generally a completely useless, insufferable git that ''everyone'' wants to see turn evil just so they can kill the little shit. Making matters worse is that he first appears condescending to his much more likeable sister about how her plans to uncover the truth of the past are unproductive and stupid. It turns out that what she's doing is clearly more important than Alphinaud's space wasting. However, this is (somewhat) fixed in the ''Heavensward'' expansion, which has Alphinaud take a more active role in the story - including fighting alongside you.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has so many characters on the player's side that are almost universally hated, one wonders if it was intentional. Chief among them is Alphinaud, who doesn't do anything but talk, and talk, and goddamn talk, always in a smug and condescending manner. He bosses everyone around, never actually ''does'' anything remotely productive, and is generally a completely useless, insufferable git that ''everyone'' wants to see turn evil just so they can kill the little shit. His "quests" generally involve going back and forth repeatedly between locations watching him do things, with your presence there stupendously unnecessary. Making matters worse is that he first appears condescending to his much more likeable sister about how her plans to uncover the truth of the past are unproductive and stupid. It turns out that what she's doing is clearly more important than Alphinaud's space wasting. However, this is (somewhat) fixed in the ''Heavensward'' expansion, which has Alphinaud take a more active role in the story - including fighting alongside you.
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You're kinda contradicting yourself saying that a lot of it was exclusive to the Western fanbase, since you said he was considered annoying even in Japanese, but I kept the values dissonance portion of the edit, since that is a good point.
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You're kinda contradicting yourself saying that a lot of it was exclusive to the Western fanbase, since you said he was considered annoying even in Japanese, but I kept the values dissonance portion of the edit, since that is a good point.


** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and childish personality, both in English and in Japanese. He's intended to be a more lighthearted, happier protagonist compared with the moodier characters in 7 and 8, but fans who tend to think this way usually say Zidane from 9 did it first and did it better. A lot of this is exclusive to the Western fanbase however, due to ValuesDissonance regarding the stricter social pressure in upholding your family, Japanese players seem to look on him more kindly.

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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and childish personality, both in English and in Japanese. He's intended to be a more lighthearted, happier protagonist compared with the moodier characters in 7 and 8, but fans who tend to think this way usually say Zidane from 9 did it first and did it better. A lot of this is exclusive to the Western fanbase however, due Due to ValuesDissonance regarding the stricter social pressure in upholding your family, however, Japanese players seem to look on him more kindly.
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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and childish personality.

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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and childish personality.personality, both in English and in Japanese. He's intended to be a more lighthearted, happier protagonist compared with the moodier characters in 7 and 8, but fans who tend to think this way usually say Zidane from 9 did it first and did it better. A lot of this is exclusive to the Western fanbase however, due to ValuesDissonance regarding the stricter social pressure in upholding your family, Japanese players seem to look on him more kindly.
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** Algus Sadalfus is clearly [[HateSink intended to be hated]], but he's also technically on your side for most of his screen time. A perfect example of AristocratsAreEvil, he spends his time as a guest character doing nothing but showing contempt for everyone not of noble blood - which includes several members of your party - until he finally crosses the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:casually killing Tetra when an enemy tried to use her as a HumanShield]]. He is hated so much that he is almost guaranteed to appear in any "Most hated video game characters" poll, especially since he is from a ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' title. The PSP version of the game includes an extra stage in which Algus comes BackFromTheDead just so the player can have the pleasure of killing him a second time.
** The [[MagikarpPower Rafa]] / [[SpoonyBard Malak]] sibling duo is so absolutely ''useless'' in battle, they've earned nothing but scorn from game players. This is exacerbated by the presence of [[GameBreaker game-breaking]] characters like T.G. Cid, Agrias, and Meliadoul, as well as Rafa's [[LeeroyJenkins suicidal rush towards Assassin-type foes]] in the missions where the player is supposed to [[EscortMission protect her from getting killed]].

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** Algus Sadalfus Argath Thadalfus is clearly [[HateSink intended to be hated]], but he's also technically on your side for most of his screen time. A perfect example of AristocratsAreEvil, he spends his time as a guest character doing nothing but showing contempt for everyone not of noble blood - which includes several members of your party - until he finally crosses the MoralEventHorizon by [[spoiler:casually killing Tetra Tietra when an enemy tried to use her as a HumanShield]]. He is hated so much that he is almost guaranteed to appear in any "Most hated video game characters" poll, especially since he is from a ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' title. The PSP version of the game includes an extra stage in which Algus Argath comes BackFromTheDead just so the player can have the pleasure of killing him a second time.
** The [[MagikarpPower Rafa]] Rapha]] / [[SpoonyBard Malak]] Marack]] sibling duo is so absolutely ''useless'' in battle, they've earned nothing but scorn from game players. This is exacerbated by the presence of [[GameBreaker game-breaking]] characters like T.G. Cid, Agrias, and Meliadoul, as well as Rafa's Rapha's [[LeeroyJenkins suicidal rush towards Assassin-type foes]] in the missions where the player is supposed to [[EscortMission protect her from getting killed]].
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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and childish personalitydescribing Tidus as.

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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and childish personalitydescribing Tidus as. personality.
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Describing Tidus as a dumb jock wasn't really accurate


** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and DumbJock characteristics.

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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and DumbJock characteristics.childish personalitydescribing Tidus as.
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** Arguably Lightning as well. At best, she's a BaseBreakingCharacter with some praising her as a badass ActionGirl, while others consider her an AlphaBitch who is abrasive and dismissive towards her allies.
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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and [[DumbJock]] characteristics.

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** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and [[DumbJock]] DumbJock characteristics.

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** Barret, whose profanity and tough guy slang caused many to label him as a [[EthnicScrappy racist stereotype]] and an example of the tendency of Japanese translators to apply such dialogue to characters based on skin color.



** Although he was well-received at the time of the game's release, many who look back on the series consider Tidus one of the more annoying of the Final Fantasy protagonists due to his whiny voice and [[DumbJock]] characteristics.



* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'': Vaan. While he is the main character of the game, he has little involvement in the story, and becomes nothing more than a TagalongKid shortly into the game. His very existence means that the more popular Ashe/Basch/Balthier cannot be the main character. Imagine having your favorite character thrown out of the spotlight by somebody completely pointless? Also if you're tired of the usual pretty-boy RPG hero, Vaan falls right into that cliche ''hard''. Or even worse, realizing that not only are the previously mentioned important players tossed aside, but there are GuestStarPartyMember characters like Reddas and Larsa who contribute more to the plot than Vaan.

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXII'': Vaan. While he is the main character of the game, he has little involvement in the story, and becomes nothing more than a TagalongKid shortly into the game. His very existence means that the more popular Ashe/Basch/Balthier cannot be the main character.character (especially irritating when one learns that Basch WAS originally intended to be the main character before the team decided [[PanderingToTheBase that young kids would appeal more to the game's teenage demographic]]). Imagine having your favorite character thrown out of the spotlight by somebody completely pointless? Also if you're tired of the usual pretty-boy RPG hero, Vaan falls right into that cliche ''hard''. Or even worse, realizing that not only are the previously mentioned important players tossed aside, but there are GuestStarPartyMember characters like Reddas and Larsa who contribute more to the plot than Vaan.


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** Arguably Lightning as well. At best, she's a BaseBreakingCharacter with some praising her as a badass ActionGirl, while others consider her an AlphaBitch who is abrasive and dismissive towards her allies.
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** Cait Sith is a very silly [[TeamPet puppet]] that forces his way into the party, his attacks are somewhat luck-based. His betrayal is shockingly EasilyForgiven. His "HeroicSacrifice" seems cool at first, but a few seconds later is proven rather... overdramatic in execution. Possibly RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by virtue of [[spoiler: actually being Reeve]] and helping lighten up the dreary ''DirgeOfCerberus''.

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** Cait Sith is a very silly [[TeamPet puppet]] that forces his way into the party, his attacks are somewhat luck-based. His betrayal is shockingly EasilyForgiven. His "HeroicSacrifice" seems cool at first, but a few seconds later is proven rather... overdramatic in execution. Possibly RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap by virtue of [[spoiler: actually being Reeve]] and helping lighten up the dreary ''DirgeOfCerberus''.''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus''.

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** There's also [[CrutchCharacter Cyan]], a {{Samurai}} spends most of the game moping (though it's justified; his ENTIRE NATION was killed early on), speaks in YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe (that other characters openly mock), has rather low magic stats in battle, and his special ability, SwdTech/Bushido, takes forever to charge up. This was sort of fixed in the IOS version, where you can select your SwdTech before you charge it.

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** There's also [[CrutchCharacter Cyan]], a {{Samurai}} spends most of the game moping (though it's justified; his ENTIRE NATION was killed early on), speaks in YeOldeButcheredeEnglishe (that other characters openly mock), has rather low magic stats in battle, and his special ability, SwdTech/Bushido, [=SwdTech=]/Bushido, takes forever to charge up. This was sort of fixed in the IOS version, where you can select your SwdTech [=SwdTech=] before you charge it.



* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'': Rinoa, for the [[AmericansHateTingle Western audience]] at least. When she's not being rescued from monsters, sorceresses, the vastness of space, her poor planning skills, or her poor judgment, she's [[ManicPixieDreamGirl trying to coax Squall out of his shell]] in a way that struck many players as being more irritating and juvenile than the cheerful cuteness she was designed to project. Her eventual CharacterDevelopment and growth into a GameBreaker makes lots of players warm up to her, but to some people, her Sorceress status comes off as in-universe SpecialSnowflakeSyndrome.
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' has an odd example: in the [[FanTranslation RPGe]] and GBA translations, Faris is considered to be a fun, entertaining character. In the PS1 port, they gave her a [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate accent]] that was completely awful and overdone in every scene, making her ''incredibly'' obnoxious. [[note]]The GBA Translation retains some aspects of the pirate accent, but it's toned down significantly and is very well-done in comparison. [[/note]]

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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' has an odd example: in the [[FanTranslation RPGe]] and GBA translations, Faris is considered to be a fun, entertaining character. In the PS1 [=PS1=] port, they gave her a [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate accent]] that was completely awful and overdone in every scene, making her ''incredibly'' obnoxious. [[note]]The GBA Translation retains some aspects of the pirate accent, but it's toned down significantly and is very well-done in comparison. [[/note]]



'''PS1 Translation''': D'arr! Ye got courage...Tryin' to steal me ship from under me own nose!

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'''PS1 '''[=PS1=] Translation''': D'arr! Ye got courage...Tryin' to steal me ship from under me own nose!
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** Tidus likely echoes the feelings of many players after beating Seymour yet again:
--> '''Tidus:''' And 'stay' up there!!
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->'''PS1 Translation''': D'arr! Ye got courage...Tryin' to steal me ship from under me own nose!\\
'''GBA Translation''': Trying to steal my ship, are you? You've a lot of brass...

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->'''PS1 -->'''GBA Translation''': Trying to steal my ship, are you? You've a lot of brass...\\
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'''GBA Translation''': Trying to steal my ship, are you? You've a lot of brass...
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* ''FinalFantasyV'' has an odd example: in the [[FanTranslation RPGe]] and GBA translations, Faris is considered to be a fun, entertaining character. In the PS1 port, they gave her a [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate accent]] that was completely awful and overdone in every scene, making her ''incredibly'' obnoxious. [[note]]The GBA Translation retains some aspects of the pirate accent, but it's toned down significantly and is very well-done in comparison. [[/note]]

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* ''FinalFantasyV'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' has an odd example: in the [[FanTranslation RPGe]] and GBA translations, Faris is considered to be a fun, entertaining character. In the PS1 port, they gave her a [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate accent]] that was completely awful and overdone in every scene, making her ''incredibly'' obnoxious. [[note]]The GBA Translation retains some aspects of the pirate accent, but it's toned down significantly and is very well-done in comparison. [[/note]]
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* ''FinalFantasyV'' has an odd example: in the [[FanTranslation RPGe]] and GBA translations, Faris is considered to be a fun, entertaining character. In the PS1 port, they gave her a [[TalkLikeAPirate pirate accent]] that was completely awful and overdone in every scene, making her ''incredibly'' obnoxious. [[note]]The GBA Translation retains some aspects of the pirate accent, but it's toned down significantly and is very well-done in comparison. [[/note]]
->'''PS1 Translation''': D'arr! Ye got courage...Tryin' to steal me ship from under me own nose!\\
'''GBA Translation''': Trying to steal my ship, are you? You've a lot of brass...
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'': Rinoa, for the [[AmericansHateTingle Western audience]] at least. When she's not being rescued from monsters, sorceresses, the vastness of space, her poor planning skills, or her poor judgment, she's [[ManicPixieDreamGirl trying to coax Squall out of his shell]] in a way that struck many players as being more irritating and juvenile than the cheerful cuteness she was designed to project. Her eventual CharacterDevelopment and growth into a GameBreaker makes lots of players warm up to her, but to some people, her Sorceress status comes off as in-universe SpecialSnowflakeSyndrome.

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** * ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIII'': Rinoa, for the [[AmericansHateTingle Western audience]] at least. When she's not being rescued from monsters, sorceresses, the vastness of space, her poor planning skills, or her poor judgment, she's [[ManicPixieDreamGirl trying to coax Squall out of his shell]] in a way that struck many players as being more irritating and juvenile than the cheerful cuteness she was designed to project. Her eventual CharacterDevelopment and growth into a GameBreaker makes lots of players warm up to her, but to some people, her Sorceress status comes off as in-universe SpecialSnowflakeSyndrome.

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