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---->'''Hoffman:''' Right now you're feeling helpless.

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---->'''Hoffman:''' Right now now, you're feeling helpless.
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** In ''Saw X'', [[spoiler:When Cecilia and Parker appear to have defeated Jigsaw in his own game, Cecilia walks over to grab the bag in the control room... which triggers a tripwire and reveals a 10-minute countdown timer, activating their actual trap.]]

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** In ''Saw X'', [[spoiler:When [[spoiler:when Cecilia and Parker appear to have defeated Jigsaw in his own game, Cecilia walks over to grab the bag in the control room... which triggers a tripwire and reveals a 10-minute countdown timer, activating their actual trap.]]
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** In ''Saw X'', [[spoiler:When Cecilia and Parker appear to have defeated Jigsaw in his own game, Cecilia walks over to grab the bag in the control room... which triggers a tripwire and reveals a 10-minute countdown timer, activating their actual trap.]]
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*** In ''Film/SawX'', Cecilia remains remarkably calm and collected throughout the whole game up to her own trap... [[spoiler:until she [[OhCrap realizes]] that she's been OutGambitted and panics. While chemical gas spreads in the room she's trapped in, she frantically fights for her survival and murders Parker in order to poke her head through a make-shift hole out of the room to avoid suffocating. As John, Amanda, and Carlos leave, she frantically screams out for John as she's left to rot in the gas-filled room]].

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*** ** In ''Film/SawX'', Cecilia remains remarkably calm and collected throughout the whole game up to her own trap... [[spoiler:until she [[OhCrap realizes]] that she's been OutGambitted and panics. While chemical gas spreads in the room she's trapped in, she frantically fights for her survival and murders Parker in order to poke her head through a make-shift hole out of the room to avoid suffocating. As John, Amanda, and Carlos leave, she frantically screams out for John as she's left to rot in the gas-filled room]].
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*** In ''Film/SawX'', Cecilia remains remarkably calm and collected throughout the whole game up to her own trap... [[spoiler:until she [[OhCrap realizes]] that she's been OutGambitted and panics. While chemical gas spreads in the room she's trapped in, she frantically fights for her survival and murders Parker in order to poke her head through a make-shift hole out of the room to avoid suffocating. As John, Amanda, and Carlos leave, she frantically screams out for John as she's left to rot in the gas-filled room]].
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*** Other than a sliver of affection for Jill, his apprentices (excluding [[BlackSheep Hoffman]]) and a few other people, John doesn't seem to be capable of empathy. This is lampshaded by one of his victims, Anna, who while no saint by any means, calls him out for his lack of compassion. While corrupting Hoffman early on in their relationship, he even explicitly states that purging feelings of empathy or remorse are necessary to do what he does.

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*** Other than a sliver of affection for Jill, his apprentices (excluding [[BlackSheep Hoffman]]) Hoffman) and a few other people, John doesn't seem to be capable of empathy. This is lampshaded by one of his victims, Anna, who while no saint by any means, calls him out for his lack of compassion. While corrupting Hoffman early on in their relationship, he even explicitly states that purging feelings of empathy or remorse are necessary to do what he does.
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* WretchedHive: Although not necessarily in a CrapsackWorld status, the city in which the events of the films take place in seems to be absolutely teeming with AssholeVictims and {{Jerkass}}es.

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* WretchedHive: Although not necessarily in a CrapsackWorld status, the The unnamed city in which the events of the most films take place in seems to be absolutely teeming with AssholeVictims and {{Jerkass}}es.
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* WrapItUp: ''Saw 3D'' was originally drafted by ExecutiveMeddling to wrap up the series after ''Saw VI'' underperformed at the box office, namely by condensing two planned films into one. However, more films were released years later.

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* WrapItUp: ''Saw 3D'' was originally drafted by ExecutiveMeddling [[invoked]]ExecutiveMeddling to wrap up the series after ''Saw VI'' underperformed at the box office, namely by condensing two planned films into one. However, more films were released years later.
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* WorldOfJerkass: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around, has done something illegal, or at minimum a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.
* WrapItUp: ''Saw 3D'' was originally drafted by ExecutiveMeddling to wrap up the series after ''Saw VI'' underperformed at the box office, namely by condensing two planned films into one. However, two more films, ''Jigsaw'' and ''Spiral'', were released years later. To be fair, one focuses on [[spoiler:John's very first apprentice]], and only features John in flashbacks without any other previously-seen characters; meanwhile, the second one purely features a Jigsaw copycat and doesn't have any appearances of previous characters (including those from ''Jigsaw''), just a glimpse of John's picture and discussion of his methods, so for all intents and purposes, the two films that came after are pretty much stand-alone films.

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* WorldOfJerkass: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, a few exceptions, nearly every single person in across the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around, has done something illegal, or is at minimum a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority most of his victims.
* WrapItUp: ''Saw 3D'' was originally drafted by ExecutiveMeddling to wrap up the series after ''Saw VI'' underperformed at the box office, namely by condensing two planned films into one. However, two more films, ''Jigsaw'' and ''Spiral'', films were released years later. To be fair, one focuses on [[spoiler:John's very first apprentice]], and only features John in flashbacks without any other previously-seen characters; meanwhile, the second one purely features a Jigsaw copycat and doesn't have any appearances of previous characters (including those from ''Jigsaw''), just a glimpse of John's picture and discussion of his methods, so for all intents and purposes, the two films that came after are pretty much stand-alone films.later.
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* WorldOfJerkAss: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around, has done something illegal, or at minimum a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.

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* WorldOfJerkAss: WorldOfJerkass: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around, has done something illegal, or at minimum a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.
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* SympatheticVillainDespicableVillain: The sympathetic/despicable dynamic often comes into play between the Jigsaw killers, who are usually sympathetic, and certain antagonistic victims of theirs, who are despicable. While the killers tend to be the main threat, said victims are usually tested for doing acts [[EvenEvilHasStandards the killers find despicable]], and some actively seek to cross more lines in the games than they are forced to.
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* TheStarscream: A flashback in ''Saw VI'' reveals that Hoffman [[spoiler:blackmailed Amanda into failing her test in ''III'', setting off the chain of events that led to the deaths of both her and John in quick succession. Jill later caught onto this deception, and [[KickTheSonOfABitch angrily tries to sabotage Hoffman's test]]]].

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* TheStarscream: A flashback in ''Saw VI'' reveals that Hoffman [[spoiler:blackmailed Amanda into failing her test in ''III'', setting off the chain of events that led to the deaths of both her and John in quick succession. Jill later caught onto this deception, and [[KickTheSonOfABitch [[HoistByHisOwnPetard angrily tries to sabotage Hoffman's test]]]].
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* WorldOfJerkAss: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around or, at the very least, has done something illegal, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.

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* WorldOfJerkAss: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around or, at the very least, around, has done something illegal, or at minimum a JerkWithAHeartOfGold, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.
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* WorldOfJerkAss: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around or, at the very least, has done something illegal, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.

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* WorldOfJerkAss: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw, Lynn in Saw 3, and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around or, at the very least, has done something illegal, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.
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* WorldOfJerkAss: With the exceptions of Adam in Saw and Carlos in Saw X, nearly every single person in the movie franchise is either repugnant to be around or, at the very least, has done something illegal, which is precisely why Jigsaw targets the majority of his victims.
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* SeriesContinuityError: The franchise's timeline was already very complex, so much that even dedicated fans can get frustrated getting a grasp on the sequence of events, especially since some movies happen out of chronological order or even during another; however, the timeline was still carefully constructed, and could be understood clearly when put in order. Then along came ''Jigsaw'', which dropped a bomb on everyone by revealing that [[spoiler:Logan, a new character who debuted in the film, was the first Jigsaw apprentice, not the previously-introduced Hoffman]]. Fans were baffled at this reveal, since it disrupted the timeline the previous films had, and when the issue was brought up to the film's writers, they admitted that they did the twist because knowing the complete timeline didn't make any sense for it (since the film was released and is set years after the previous ones), and they were hoping that nobody would notice it.

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* SeriesContinuityError: The franchise's timeline was already very complex, so much that even dedicated fans can get frustrated getting a grasp on the sequence of events, especially since some movies happen out of chronological order or even during another; however, the timeline was still carefully constructed, and could be understood clearly when put in order. Then along came ''Jigsaw'', which dropped a bomb on everyone by revealing that [[spoiler:Logan, a new character who debuted in the film, was the first Jigsaw apprentice, not the previously-introduced Hoffman]]. Fans were baffled at this reveal, since it disrupted the timeline the previous films had, and when the issue was brought up to the film's writers, they admitted that they did the twist such a reveal because knowing the complete timeline didn't make any sense for it (since the film was released and is set years after the previous ones), and they were hoping that nobody would notice it.the error.
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* SeriesContinuityError: The franchise's timeline was already very complex, so much that even dedicated fans can get frustrated getting a grasp on the sequence of events, especially since some movies happen out of chronological order or even during another; however, the timeline was still carefully constructed, and could be understood clearly when put in order. Then along came ''Jigsaw'', which dropped a bomb on everyone by revealing that [[spoiler:Logan, a new character who debuted in the film, was the first Jigsaw apprentice, not the previously-introduced Hoffman]]. Fans were baffled at this reveal, since it disrupted the timeline the previous films had, and when the issue was brought up to the film's writers, they admitted that knowing the complete timeline didn't make any sense for such a reveal (since the film was released and is set years after the previous ones), and they were hoping that nobody would notice it.

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* SeriesContinuityError: The franchise's timeline was already very complex, so much that even dedicated fans can get frustrated getting a grasp on the sequence of events, especially since some movies happen out of chronological order or even during another; however, the timeline was still carefully constructed, and could be understood clearly when put in order. Then along came ''Jigsaw'', which dropped a bomb on everyone by revealing that [[spoiler:Logan, a new character who debuted in the film, was the first Jigsaw apprentice, not the previously-introduced Hoffman]]. Fans were baffled at this reveal, since it disrupted the timeline the previous films had, and when the issue was brought up to the film's writers, they admitted that they did the twist because knowing the complete timeline didn't make any sense for such a reveal it (since the film was released and is set years after the previous ones), and they were hoping that nobody would notice it.
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* TomTheDarkLord: Jigsaw, the EvilGenius SerialKiller who later becomes a borderline DarkMessiah, is an unassuming old man named John. Ditto for his notorious successor who had racked a much larger body count than him; he goes by the plain name of Mark.

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* TomTheDarkLord: Jigsaw, the EvilGenius SerialKiller who later becomes a borderline DarkMessiah, is an unassuming old man named John. Ditto for his notorious successor who had racked a much larger body count than him; he goes by the plain name of Mark.
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* TomTheDarkLord: Jigsaw, the EvilGenius SerialKiller who later becomes a borderline DarkMessiah, is an unassuming old man named John.

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* TomTheDarkLord: Jigsaw, the EvilGenius SerialKiller who later becomes a borderline DarkMessiah, is an unassuming old man named John. Ditto for his notorious successor who had racked a much larger body count than him; he goes by the plain name of Mark.
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* TrilogyCreep: The franchise is easily one of the largest examples of this trope. To put it through: ''Saw'' was originally intended to be a standalone film. Because of its astounding success, the creators decided to make the first two sequels in order to finish with a trilogy. Due to ExecutiveMeddling after the larger success of those movies, they came back after the third one and just decided to flesh out a story and keep writing until they came up with the perfect ending. They came up with an additional 5 movies, but due to further meddling they had to condense the last two into ''Saw 3D'', which would have originally ended the franchise in 2010. However, it was revived in 2017, with the additions of an eighth and ninth entry.

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* TrilogyCreep: The franchise is easily one of the largest examples of this trope. To put it through: ''Saw'' was originally intended to be a standalone film. Because of its astounding success, the creators decided to make the first two sequels in order to finish with a trilogy. Due to ExecutiveMeddling [[invoked]]ExecutiveMeddling after the larger success of those movies, they came back after the third one and just decided to flesh out a story and keep writing until they came up with the perfect ending. They came up with an additional 5 movies, but due to further meddling they had to condense the last two into ''Saw 3D'', which would have originally ended the franchise in 2010. However, it was revived in 2017, with the additions of an eighth and ninth entry.
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* TomTheDarkLord: Jigsaw, the EvilGenius SerialKiller who later becomes a borderline DarkMessiah, is an unassuming old man named John.
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** The so-called "Fatal Five" in ''Film/SawV'', who were all involved in an arson case in which eight people died, are tested in a catacomb place for their selfishness. While they were meant to work together through various hints, only two of them survive at the end because they were determined to fight each other.

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** The so-called "Fatal Five" in ''Film/SawV'', who were all involved in an arson case in which eight people died, are tested in a catacomb place for their selfishness. While they were meant to work together through various hints, only two of them survive at the end because [[AHouseDivided they were determined to fight each other.other]].

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