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Short version: Is this not just a video game-specific version of MsFanservice?
Longer version: A while back I brought up ThirdPersonSeductress [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16938696700.56296700&page=1 on Image Pickin']] due to the page image at the time being Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption of Lara Croft of ''Franchise/TombRaider'', and in several attempts to find better, more illustrative examples of the trope, we repeatedly ran into problems of not being able to find illustrations that actually said more than "the player character is [[MsFanservice an attractive woman]]," missing out on the implied idea behind the trope that the character was made with the specific intent by developers to give the ([[MostGamersAreMale presumably heterosexual male player]]) something sexy to play as with the driving philosophy being "SexSells". However, someone pointed out that that's just a DistinctionWithoutADifference, and those in the thread agreed.
I understand the specific implication of what the ThirdPersonSeductress trope is getting at, but the problem is that when compared to something like MsFanservice, there's a very specific bar to clear in saying this character was not ''just'' for the sake of providing fanservice, but to fulfill this very direct assertion of "the game was going to show the back end of a character for hour upon hour, then it may as well be the back end of a pretty girl." That's not only treading into "Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific", but that's a bar that many wicks do not clear -- many avoid explaining that qualifier and just use it synonymously with MsFanservice.
Below is my wick check:
Short version: Is this not just a video game-specific version of MsFanservice?
Longer version: A while back I brought up ThirdPersonSeductress [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16938696700.56296700&page=1 on Image Pickin']] due to the page image at the time being Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption of Lara Croft of ''Franchise/TombRaider'', and in several attempts to find better, more illustrative examples of the trope, we repeatedly ran into problems of not being able to find illustrations that actually said more than "the player character is [[MsFanservice an attractive woman]]," missing out on the implied idea behind the trope that the character was made with the specific intent by developers to give the ([[MostGamersAreMale presumably heterosexual male player]]) something sexy to play as with the driving philosophy being "SexSells". However, someone pointed out that that's just a DistinctionWithoutADifference, and those in the thread agreed.
I understand the specific implication of what the ThirdPersonSeductress trope is getting at, but the problem is that when compared to something like MsFanservice, there's a very specific bar to clear in saying this character was not ''just'' for the sake of providing fanservice, but to fulfill this very direct assertion of "the game was going to show the back end of a character for hour upon hour, then it may as well be the back end of a pretty girl." That's not only treading into "Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific", but that's a bar that many wicks do not clear -- many avoid explaining that qualifier and just use it synonymously with MsFanservice.
Below is my wick check:
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* Characters/TombRader: Lara is both the TropeMaker and TropeCodifier, right down to providing the trope image. A combination of her quite skimpy AdventurerOutfit, impossible curves and then-revolutionary perspective instantly made her into an icon. '''For probably the most prolific example of this trope's original intent, this entry does disappointingly little explanation for why she was made the way she was, which is public knowledge and by all accounts should be presented here.'''
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* Characters/TombRader: Characters/TombRaider: Lara is both the TropeMaker and TropeCodifier, right down to providing the trope image. A combination of her quite skimpy AdventurerOutfit, impossible curves and then-revolutionary perspective instantly made her into an icon. '''For probably the most prolific example of this trope's original intent, this entry does disappointingly little explanation for why she was made the way she was, which is public knowledge and by all accounts should be presented here.'''
* VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}:
** Quite possibly a parody of this trope since ''anything'' Bayonetta does that is supposed to be sexy usually comes off as completely hilarious instead.
** Jeanne also has her own sexy moments during cutscenes and during her boss battles. She's just as on par with Bayonetta in this aspect once you unlock her as a playable character.
* VideoGame/GunValkyrie: Kelly O'Lenmey. All of her three gearsuits are [[FormFittingWardrobe form-fitting]] and particularly emphasize her butt. The game isn't shy of [[MaleGaze showing off how good she looks in it either]], in the few cutscenes there are in the game, especially during the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6pMR8agob8 gearsuit transformation scenes]]. Some of the loading screens has her wearing barely anything. Also see OutOfClothesExperience above.
* VideoGame/JadeEmpire: Downplayed. The female player characters are predictably attractive, and their costumes do little to hide their charms, but their slim figures don't stoop to the blatant exaggeration of some [[Franchise/TombRaider notoriously top-heavy heroines]]. Also has a SpearCounterpart in that two of the male PC models are [[WalkingShirtlessScene constantly shirtless]] and quite buff.
* VideoGame/MarioKartWii: quipping any of the human females with a bike causes them to wear a [[BadassBiker body-clinging biker suit]] instead of a frilly dress. Justified, in that a frilly dress would be very impractical to wear on a bike. '''This not only has nothing to do with developer intent, it also gets an in-universe justification?'''
* VideoGame/{{Metaforce}}: The three main characters present in the first iteration of ''Metaforce'', those being Brynn (a cybernetic firearms specialist), [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg57fECjWd8 Miko]] (a ninja with psychic abilities), and an unnamed third woman who was a rifle-wielding assassin. This was later whittled down to just Brynn, before the entire project was scrapped and in favor of a ''Metroid'' title.
* VideoGame/Persona5Strikers: Since MsFanservice Ann, as Panther, can now be controlled as a third-person ActionRPG star, she attains this role, especially given her tendency to pose suggestively while dungeon crawling with some angles letting you see just how busty she really is; her All-Out Attack focuses on her chest even more than usual. Makoto also slightly falls into this role, as players can have a better view of how her SensualSpandex outlines the curves of her body.
** Quite possibly a parody of this trope since ''anything'' Bayonetta does that is supposed to be sexy usually comes off as completely hilarious instead.
** Jeanne also has her own sexy moments during cutscenes and during her boss battles. She's just as on par with Bayonetta in this aspect once you unlock her as a playable character.
* VideoGame/GunValkyrie: Kelly O'Lenmey. All of her three gearsuits are [[FormFittingWardrobe form-fitting]] and particularly emphasize her butt. The game isn't shy of [[MaleGaze showing off how good she looks in it either]], in the few cutscenes there are in the game, especially during the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6pMR8agob8 gearsuit transformation scenes]]. Some of the loading screens has her wearing barely anything. Also see OutOfClothesExperience above.
* VideoGame/JadeEmpire: Downplayed. The female player characters are predictably attractive, and their costumes do little to hide their charms, but their slim figures don't stoop to the blatant exaggeration of some [[Franchise/TombRaider notoriously top-heavy heroines]]. Also has a SpearCounterpart in that two of the male PC models are [[WalkingShirtlessScene constantly shirtless]] and quite buff.
* VideoGame/MarioKartWii: quipping any of the human females with a bike causes them to wear a [[BadassBiker body-clinging biker suit]] instead of a frilly dress. Justified, in that a frilly dress would be very impractical to wear on a bike. '''This not only has nothing to do with developer intent, it also gets an in-universe justification?'''
* VideoGame/{{Metaforce}}: The three main characters present in the first iteration of ''Metaforce'', those being Brynn (a cybernetic firearms specialist), [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg57fECjWd8 Miko]] (a ninja with psychic abilities), and an unnamed third woman who was a rifle-wielding assassin. This was later whittled down to just Brynn, before the entire project was scrapped and in favor of a ''Metroid'' title.
* VideoGame/Persona5Strikers: Since MsFanservice Ann, as Panther, can now be controlled as a third-person ActionRPG star, she attains this role, especially given her tendency to pose suggestively while dungeon crawling with some angles letting you see just how busty she really is; her All-Out Attack focuses on her chest even more than usual. Makoto also slightly falls into this role, as players can have a better view of how her SensualSpandex outlines the curves of her body.
* VideoGame/BloodstainedRitualOfTheNight: FeministFantasy: By deliberate design, Miriam was chosen as the protagonist to capitalize on a demand and need for strong female video game leads. In addition, this story is wholly ''about'' Miriam, rather than her simply being a passive character in someone else's story or merely being used as a ThirdPersonSeductress. Despite her main goal being tied to a major male character, [[spoiler:this is because ''he'' is the DistressedDude and Miriam is setting out to save him in fulfillment of a promise they made long ago (and even then, it's later revealed that he was just bait and Miriam was the true target all along). The other male characters either act in a supporting role or wind up putting all their hopes in Miriam after their own plans go awry. In addition, the two true villains behind the plot are both women; the TrueFinalBoss they both seek to revive is gendered male, but is more of a demonic force than an actual person, and you have to [[AttackItsWeakPoint defeat his summoner]] in order to actually beat him]].
* VideoGame/BloodRayne2: MsFanservice: [[ThirdPersonSeductress Rayne]], [[HellBentForLeather Ephemera]], and [[FullFrontalAssault Ferril]] all definitely qualify. '''Also ZCE.'''
* VideoGame/GothamKnights2022: MsFanservice: Batgirl has gained special notoriety for this, being notably even more curvaceous than usual and it’s pretty much unavoidable during Barbara’s [[ThirdPersonSeductress gameplay]] and cutscenes that you’ll be starring at her thick buttocks in SensualSpandex for ages. Also some DevelopersForesight as most of her capes are quite short, especially her default one.
* VideoGame/PerfectDark: HotterAndSexier: Here is Joanna [[http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_medium/1/10392/906028-20090228_000333.jpg in the N64 version.]] Here is Joanna [[https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/29/7f/2c297f51d8cf4805116f327d274aba9f.jpg in ''Perfect Dark Zero'']], showing tons of cleavage. (She was [[http://www.gamekyo.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320050925_234236_0_big.jpg on the cover of FHM magazine]] (!)) For the Xbox Live remaster, they went back to her conservative way of dressing, [[http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCKcUPQSX0E_MBd&w=200&h=434&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F9%2F91%2FJoanna_dark_N64_render.png but still couldn't resist dolling her up a bit.]] Maybe playing a sexpot just appeals to the [[EscapistCharacter female]] (and [[ThirdPersonSeductress woman-loving]]) audiences more?
* YMMV/DragonsCrown: ComplacentGamingSyndrome: During the early phases of online play, there were players would rather have the Amazon, Dwarf, and Elf in their parties over the Wizard and the Sorceress (the Knight was more of a middle ground). These players would usually mention that the Elf could outperform the Wizard without being ''as'' squishy, as well as not having to pause (as in, stop attacking things) to recharge mana. And for a while during these phases, Sorceress players were sometimes outright discriminated against, since Sorceresses didn't put out the damage Wizards could and some people assumed that Sorceress players were just using her for the ThirdPersonSeductress aspect of her character (ignoring that the other characters, such as the Amazon, could be used the same way). Nowadays it seems to have mellowed out as Wizards carved their own niche for being DifficultButAwesome while Sorceresses became valued due to their capability to be TheMedic with Create Food and the ability to bolster the whole party's defenses with Protection (this includes summons as well). '''A very gratuitous pothole at that considering the topic of this entry.'''
* YMMV/MaxPayne2TheFallOfMaxPayne: BestKnownForTheFanservice: The game is well known not only for fleshing out Mona Sax and making her playable, but also for making her [[FanservicePack way more gorgeous]] and a ThirdPersonSeductress. She also gets a brief intimate scene with Max, which is interrupted by the cleaners.
* VideoGame/BloodRayne2: MsFanservice: [[ThirdPersonSeductress Rayne]], [[HellBentForLeather Ephemera]], and [[FullFrontalAssault Ferril]] all definitely qualify. '''Also ZCE.'''
* VideoGame/GothamKnights2022: MsFanservice: Batgirl has gained special notoriety for this, being notably even more curvaceous than usual and it’s pretty much unavoidable during Barbara’s [[ThirdPersonSeductress gameplay]] and cutscenes that you’ll be starring at her thick buttocks in SensualSpandex for ages. Also some DevelopersForesight as most of her capes are quite short, especially her default one.
* VideoGame/PerfectDark: HotterAndSexier: Here is Joanna [[http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_medium/1/10392/906028-20090228_000333.jpg in the N64 version.]] Here is Joanna [[https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/29/7f/2c297f51d8cf4805116f327d274aba9f.jpg in ''Perfect Dark Zero'']], showing tons of cleavage. (She was [[http://www.gamekyo.com/Webmasters/Images/40611320050925_234236_0_big.jpg on the cover of FHM magazine]] (!)) For the Xbox Live remaster, they went back to her conservative way of dressing, [[http://external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCKcUPQSX0E_MBd&w=200&h=434&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F9%2F91%2FJoanna_dark_N64_render.png but still couldn't resist dolling her up a bit.]] Maybe playing a sexpot just appeals to the [[EscapistCharacter female]] (and [[ThirdPersonSeductress woman-loving]]) audiences more?
* YMMV/DragonsCrown: ComplacentGamingSyndrome: During the early phases of online play, there were players would rather have the Amazon, Dwarf, and Elf in their parties over the Wizard and the Sorceress (the Knight was more of a middle ground). These players would usually mention that the Elf could outperform the Wizard without being ''as'' squishy, as well as not having to pause (as in, stop attacking things) to recharge mana. And for a while during these phases, Sorceress players were sometimes outright discriminated against, since Sorceresses didn't put out the damage Wizards could and some people assumed that Sorceress players were just using her for the ThirdPersonSeductress aspect of her character (ignoring that the other characters, such as the Amazon, could be used the same way). Nowadays it seems to have mellowed out as Wizards carved their own niche for being DifficultButAwesome while Sorceresses became valued due to their capability to be TheMedic with Create Food and the ability to bolster the whole party's defenses with Protection (this includes summons as well). '''A very gratuitous pothole at that considering the topic of this entry.'''
* YMMV/MaxPayne2TheFallOfMaxPayne: BestKnownForTheFanservice: The game is well known not only for fleshing out Mona Sax and making her playable, but also for making her [[FanservicePack way more gorgeous]] and a ThirdPersonSeductress. She also gets a brief intimate scene with Max, which is interrupted by the cleaners.
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* Characters/{{PVP}}: * {{GIRL}}: Francis plays a female superhero called Catfight, allegedly because, as he put it [[ThirdPersonSeductress "If I'm gonna be staring at an ass in tights all day, it might as well be a nice ass!"]] Also played at least one female character in Cole's ''Dungeons&Dragons'' game. '''Listing another person's preference of player characters, no developer intent.'''
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* Characters/{{PVP}}: * {{GIRL}}: Francis plays a female superhero called Catfight, allegedly because, as he put it [[ThirdPersonSeductress "If I'm gonna be staring at an ass in tights all day, it might as well be a nice ass!"]] Also played at least one female character in Cole's ''Dungeons&Dragons'' game. '''Listing another person's preference of player characters, no developer intent.'''
* VideoGame/MirrorsEdge: Averted. This game is played from a first-person perspective, and [[PlayerCharacter Faith]] wears practical clothes for a ''traçeuse'', namely a tank-top, cargo-pants and ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jika-tabi jika-tabi]]'' shoes. Her appearance is only apparent in the cutscenes. '''Listed aversion.'''
* VideoGame/MirrorsEdge: Averted. This game is played from a first-person perspective, and [[PlayerCharacter Faith]] wears practical clothes for a ''traçeuse'', namely a tank-top, cargo-pants and ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jika-tabi jika-tabi]]'' shoes. Her appearance is only apparent in the cutscenes. '''Listed aversion.'''
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* VideoGame/{{Drakan}}: Rynn. Bonus points for being modeled after a hot girl in RealLife (Myrna Blankenstein, who appeared later on the promotional posters for the first game, google them).
* VideoGame/{{Gladiatrix}}: The universally-skimpy armors and clothes in the module conspire towards this. The game's low polygon count conspires against it.
* VideoGame/{{Microvolts}}: The females can be quite pleasing on the eyes. Bonus points for being customizable.
* VideoGame/Nightshade2003: Hibana.
* VideoGame/StreetsOfRage: Blaze. She even ''winks'' at you on the character select screen in ''1''.
* VideoGame/TombRaiderI: TropeMaker. This is [[MsFanservice Lara]] [[ShowSomeLeg Croft]] we're talking about.
* VideoGame/VelvetAssassin: Considering the grim setting, though, it's not dialed up very high.
* VideoGame/WarhammerOnline: Witch Elves again.
* VideoGame/ZombiePanicInWonderland: Snow White AGAIN!
* VideoGame/{{Gladiatrix}}: The universally-skimpy armors and clothes in the module conspire towards this. The game's low polygon count conspires against it.
* VideoGame/{{Microvolts}}: The females can be quite pleasing on the eyes. Bonus points for being customizable.
* VideoGame/Nightshade2003: Hibana.
* VideoGame/StreetsOfRage: Blaze. She even ''winks'' at you on the character select screen in ''1''.
* VideoGame/TombRaiderI: TropeMaker. This is [[MsFanservice Lara]] [[ShowSomeLeg Croft]] we're talking about.
* VideoGame/VelvetAssassin: Considering the grim setting, though, it's not dialed up very high.
* VideoGame/WarhammerOnline: Witch Elves again.
* VideoGame/ZombiePanicInWonderland: Snow White AGAIN!
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* Characters/StreetFighterV: Menat became an instant sensation from ''the very day she was released'', as in addition to being the main franchise's first character from Egypt, she has a very outgoing, bubbly and graceful demeanor. Players were ''instantly'' captivated by even her standard walking, sitting, and taunt animations, to say nothing of the [[FanservicePack extremely sexy]] costumes she has been given.
* Characters/TombRader: Lara is both the TropeMaker and TropeCodifier, right down to providing the trope image. A combination of her quite skimpy AdventurerOutfit, impossible curves and then-revolutionary perspective instantly made her into an icon. '''For probably the most prolific example of this trope's original intent, this entry does disappointingly little explanation for why she was made the way she was, which is public knowledge and by all accounts should be presented here.'''
* Characters/VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlinesPlayerCharacter: Most of the (non-Nosferatu) female clans are this in some way. Most obviously is the female Malkavian, who starts the game in a {{Stripperiffic}} cheerleader outfit and upgrades it into fetish gear. Other notable examples are the female Ventrue's starting dress with a [[SexySlitDress slit that goes all the way up]], the Brujah's tank top and biker gear look, and the female Tremere for her glasses and her second outfit's PaintedOnPants.
* GrandTheftAutoV/GrandTheftAutoOnlineTropes: If you play a female character in Online mode, you can modify her appearance and [[VirtualPaperDoll apparel]] to your heart's content. And yes, you can also make your character {{Stripperific}} too.
* Characters/TombRader: Lara is both the TropeMaker and TropeCodifier, right down to providing the trope image. A combination of her quite skimpy AdventurerOutfit, impossible curves and then-revolutionary perspective instantly made her into an icon. '''For probably the most prolific example of this trope's original intent, this entry does disappointingly little explanation for why she was made the way she was, which is public knowledge and by all accounts should be presented here.'''
* Characters/VampireTheMasqueradeBloodlinesPlayerCharacter: Most of the (non-Nosferatu) female clans are this in some way. Most obviously is the female Malkavian, who starts the game in a {{Stripperiffic}} cheerleader outfit and upgrades it into fetish gear. Other notable examples are the female Ventrue's starting dress with a [[SexySlitDress slit that goes all the way up]], the Brujah's tank top and biker gear look, and the female Tremere for her glasses and her second outfit's PaintedOnPants.
* GrandTheftAutoV/GrandTheftAutoOnlineTropes: If you play a female character in Online mode, you can modify her appearance and [[VirtualPaperDoll apparel]] to your heart's content. And yes, you can also make your character {{Stripperific}} too.
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* Literature/PlayerTwoStart: MostGamersAreMale: An attitude that's slowly butterflied away over the course of the story. With gaming's emergence in the mainstream happening roughly five years ahead of schedule, the mass influx of women and girls into gaming begins in the mid-'90s. As such, instead of the WhiteMaleLead becoming the default video game protagonist and gaining the strength of inertia behind it, developers begin adding more prominent female characters into their games, initially as a case of TheSmurfettePrinciple to appeal to girls but later evolving into a trend in its own right. One of the major themes of the story is that the aggressively masculine video game culture that took off in the late '90s and early '00s in OTL (or, as some readers have called it, the "dudebro-ification" of gaming), with all the associated problems concerning [[ThirdPersonSeductress the general portrayal]] [[DamselInDistress of women]] in video games, never takes root, and the idea of [[GamerChick women as gamers]] is something that's seen as perfectly normal, having never been particularly unique or strange.
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* Characters/TheGamersDorknessRising: Luster, based on Gary's HotTeacher. [[spoiler: He gets the idea to hit on Daphne, gets reminded he's playing a woman, and decides to continue hitting on her because GirlOnGirlIsHot.]]
* Characters/ViewtifulJoe: Yep, especially when you set the game to Adult. (See DistractedByTheSexy for more details.)
* MonsterHunter/TropesSToZ: Like any game where you can choose gender, many males tend to choose the female option. Must be due to all those outfits you can dress her in. '''Documenting conjecture of an audience phenomenon.'''
* StarWarsTheOldRepublic/TropesQToZ: Both you and your companions can fit that, with {{Stripperific}} dancers' outfits thrown in.
* Characters/ViewtifulJoe: Yep, especially when you set the game to Adult. (See DistractedByTheSexy for more details.)
* MonsterHunter/TropesSToZ: Like any game where you can choose gender, many males tend to choose the female option. Must be due to all those outfits you can dress her in. '''Documenting conjecture of an audience phenomenon.'''
* StarWarsTheOldRepublic/TropesQToZ: Both you and your companions can fit that, with {{Stripperific}} dancers' outfits thrown in.
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* Characters/ADanceWithRogues: The Princess sure knows how to flaunt her stuff. '''ZCE'''.
* Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters: Very curvy and shapely, wears skimpy clothing, and beats up enemies with her bare hands.
* Characters/HeroesOfTheStormStarcraftUniverse: You will probably gather quickly that Nova [[TheTease enjoys flirting with the player,]] even if it's sometimes in a somewhat {{Tsundere}}-like manner. Could be this was only intended for [[MostGamersAreMale the male audience]]... or maybe Nova goes both ways? Impossible to say for sure... '''Kind of a borderline case marked by how it doesn't specify developer intent, this reads far more as just being a fourth-wall-breaking example of TheTease.'''
* Characters/NierAutomata: She's become rather well-known for it, what with her attractive character design and the aforementioned skirt. Even the trailers play it up somewhat what with her SupermodelStrut. '''Little description, also referring to other sections of the page for context.'''
* Characters/PN03: Her suit is either skin tight or thong accessorized, she moves her body a lot, and the camera is permanently planted behind her, so yes.
* Characters/RememberMe: Downplayed - Nilin is certainly slim and gorgeous, but she dresses fairly sensibly.
* Characters/StreetFighterIV: Poison is considered one of the sexiest characters in both franchises of the shared ''Street Fighter''[=/=]''Videogame/FinalFight'' universe, both due to her highly sexualized looks, behavior and moveset, and [[TransgenderFetishization because she's the only transfemale character]] [[ShrugOfGod (maybe)]]. In addition to the people attracted to her sexually, she's also beloved by the trans community for being their only self-insert character. '''Still no developer intent, last sentence lists an audience reaction in the main page.'''
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* Characters/{{Arms}}: MsFanservice: Her walking animation has her [[ThirdPersonSeductress sensually swinging her hips]] while [[https://i.imgur.com/GNvr6It.gif putting her hands on them]], illustrating her status as a glamorous ProudBeauty. '''No comment on developer intent, just highlighting general fanservice.'''
* Characters/HeavenlySword: MsFanservice: She is extremely attractive, even [[DirtyOldMan Bohan agrees]]. Also doubles as ThirdPersonSeductress, since she is the playable character. '''Also ZCE.'''
* Characters/MaxPayne: MsFanservice: Thanks to a new model, better graphics, and a larger role in the story, we [[ThirdPersonSeductress get to see her lovely figure]] as she headshots scores of mooks. She even has a fully rendered nude model for a brief ShowerScene, although the player only sees her ToplessnessFromTheBack and [[ShouldersUpNudity from the waist up]].
* Characters/MortalKombatDeception: MsFanservice: The newest bit of totty introduced in ''Deception'', emphasised by many ThirdPersonSeductress animations. '''Also ZCE.'''
* Characters/OverwatchWidowmaker: ProudBeauty: She's implied to be still quite vain, given how many of her animations have her flaunting her appearance (though that's likely [[ThirdPersonSeductress for the benefit of the player]]). In ''Masquerade'', once she's done KickingAssInAllHerFinery, she opens a hand mirror to check if she messed up something during the fight.
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* Characters/GameGrumpsTeamGrump: Favors playing as girls when games give him the option, and flat-out said in the first Resident Evil video that he picked Jill over Chris because of her butt. '''This is not itself an example of a character, rather one let's-player's personal preference that doesn't otherwise describe anything about the developer-based nature of the trope.'''
* Characters/FinalFantasyXIIILightning:
** A beautiful aversion in her base-game and related appearances. She's attractive but is not played for fanservice nor is her outfit particularly revealing, especially in comparison to Vanille and Fang. '''Not only is this listing an aversion, it also says nothing about developer intent, just that she's got a modest design.'''
** Played with in ''Lightning Returns'', where she can don either more revealing outfits and show off her JigglePhysics, or wear outfits that are even more modest than her original. '''Still says nothing about developer intent.'''
* Characters/HighScoreGirl: ChasteHero/ CelibateHero:
** Haruo occasionally ''can'' acknowledge the female form... when it's in the context [[ThirdPersonSeductress of a female video game character]]. Otherwise he often mocks any opponent that picks their character of choice due to any kind of crush they might have on the character, and scoffed at Akira leering at splash screen of a naked woman in a naughty Mahjong game. '''The way the depiction of a character playing female avatars is described, this kinda just reads more like an example of CrossPlayer.'''
* Characters/{{Oni}}: Averted - while Konoko is certainly good-looking, she wears very practical TCTF uniforms when on duty, and casual street clothes otherwise. According to the development they had to fight tooth and nail not to give her a {{Stripperiffic}} outfit. '''Listed aversion.'''
* Characters/{{PVP}}: * {{GIRL}}: Francis plays a female superhero called Catfight, allegedly because, as he put it [[ThirdPersonSeductress "If I'm gonna be staring at an ass in tights all day, it might as well be a nice ass!"]] Also played at least one female character in Cole's ''Dungeons&Dragons'' game. '''Listing another person's preference of player characters, no developer intent.'''
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* Characters/BatmanArkhamSeriesRoguesGalleryCity: Whenever you play as her. '''When you play as who? Exactly.'''
* Characters/LollipopChainsaw: TheTease: Either because of or resulting in the ThirdPersonSeductress.
* Characters/ADanceWithRogues: The Princess sure knows how to flaunt her stuff. '''ZCE'''.
* Characters/FinalFantasyVIIPlayableCharacters: Very curvy and shapely, wears skimpy clothing, and beats up enemies with her bare hands.
* Characters/HeroesOfTheStormStarcraftUniverse: You will probably gather quickly that Nova [[TheTease enjoys flirting with the player,]] even if it's sometimes in a somewhat {{Tsundere}}-like manner. Could be this was only intended for [[MostGamersAreMale the male audience]]... or maybe Nova goes both ways? Impossible to say for sure... '''Kind of a borderline case marked by how it doesn't specify developer intent, this reads far more as just being a fourth-wall-breaking example of TheTease.'''
* Characters/NierAutomata: She's become rather well-known for it, what with her attractive character design and the aforementioned skirt. Even the trailers play it up somewhat what with her SupermodelStrut. '''Little description, also referring to other sections of the page for context.'''
* Characters/PN03: Her suit is either skin tight or thong accessorized, she moves her body a lot, and the camera is permanently planted behind her, so yes.
* Characters/RememberMe: Downplayed - Nilin is certainly slim and gorgeous, but she dresses fairly sensibly.
* Characters/StreetFighterIV: Poison is considered one of the sexiest characters in both franchises of the shared ''Street Fighter''[=/=]''Videogame/FinalFight'' universe, both due to her highly sexualized looks, behavior and moveset, and [[TransgenderFetishization because she's the only transfemale character]] [[ShrugOfGod (maybe)]]. In addition to the people attracted to her sexually, she's also beloved by the trans community for being their only self-insert character. '''Still no developer intent, last sentence lists an audience reaction in the main page.'''
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* Characters/{{Arms}}: MsFanservice: Her walking animation has her [[ThirdPersonSeductress sensually swinging her hips]] while [[https://i.imgur.com/GNvr6It.gif putting her hands on them]], illustrating her status as a glamorous ProudBeauty. '''No comment on developer intent, just highlighting general fanservice.'''
* Characters/HeavenlySword: MsFanservice: She is extremely attractive, even [[DirtyOldMan Bohan agrees]]. Also doubles as ThirdPersonSeductress, since she is the playable character. '''Also ZCE.'''
* Characters/MaxPayne: MsFanservice: Thanks to a new model, better graphics, and a larger role in the story, we [[ThirdPersonSeductress get to see her lovely figure]] as she headshots scores of mooks. She even has a fully rendered nude model for a brief ShowerScene, although the player only sees her ToplessnessFromTheBack and [[ShouldersUpNudity from the waist up]].
* Characters/MortalKombatDeception: MsFanservice: The newest bit of totty introduced in ''Deception'', emphasised by many ThirdPersonSeductress animations. '''Also ZCE.'''
* Characters/OverwatchWidowmaker: ProudBeauty: She's implied to be still quite vain, given how many of her animations have her flaunting her appearance (though that's likely [[ThirdPersonSeductress for the benefit of the player]]). In ''Masquerade'', once she's done KickingAssInAllHerFinery, she opens a hand mirror to check if she messed up something during the fight.
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[[folder:Other forms of misuse]]
* Characters/GameGrumpsTeamGrump: Favors playing as girls when games give him the option, and flat-out said in the first Resident Evil video that he picked Jill over Chris because of her butt. '''This is not itself an example of a character, rather one let's-player's personal preference that doesn't otherwise describe anything about the developer-based nature of the trope.'''
* Characters/FinalFantasyXIIILightning:
** A beautiful aversion in her base-game and related appearances. She's attractive but is not played for fanservice nor is her outfit particularly revealing, especially in comparison to Vanille and Fang. '''Not only is this listing an aversion, it also says nothing about developer intent, just that she's got a modest design.'''
** Played with in ''Lightning Returns'', where she can don either more revealing outfits and show off her JigglePhysics, or wear outfits that are even more modest than her original. '''Still says nothing about developer intent.'''
* Characters/HighScoreGirl: ChasteHero/ CelibateHero:
** Haruo occasionally ''can'' acknowledge the female form... when it's in the context [[ThirdPersonSeductress of a female video game character]]. Otherwise he often mocks any opponent that picks their character of choice due to any kind of crush they might have on the character, and scoffed at Akira leering at splash screen of a naked woman in a naughty Mahjong game. '''The way the depiction of a character playing female avatars is described, this kinda just reads more like an example of CrossPlayer.'''
* Characters/{{Oni}}: Averted - while Konoko is certainly good-looking, she wears very practical TCTF uniforms when on duty, and casual street clothes otherwise. According to the development they had to fight tooth and nail not to give her a {{Stripperiffic}} outfit. '''Listed aversion.'''
* Characters/{{PVP}}: * {{GIRL}}: Francis plays a female superhero called Catfight, allegedly because, as he put it [[ThirdPersonSeductress "If I'm gonna be staring at an ass in tights all day, it might as well be a nice ass!"]] Also played at least one female character in Cole's ''Dungeons&Dragons'' game. '''Listing another person's preference of player characters, no developer intent.'''
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[[folder:Other forms of ZCEs]]
* Characters/BatmanArkhamSeriesRoguesGalleryCity: Whenever you play as her. '''When you play as who? Exactly.'''
* Characters/LollipopChainsaw: TheTease: Either because of or resulting in the ThirdPersonSeductress.
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Category: '''Duplicate Trope'''
Short version: Is this not just a video game-specific version of MsFanservice?
Longer version: A while back I brought up ThirdPersonSeductress [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16938696700.56296700&page=1 on Image Pickin']] due to the page image at the time being Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption of Lara Croft of ''Franchise/TombRaider'', and in several attempts to find better, more illustrative examples of the trope, we repeatedly ran into problems of not being able to find illustrations that actually said more than "the player character is [[MsFanservice an attractive woman]]," missing out on the implied idea behind the trope that the character was made with the specific intent by developers to give the ([[MostGamersAreMale presumably heterosexual male player]]) something sexy to play as with the driving philosophy being "SexSells". However, someone pointed out that that's just a DistinctionWithoutADifference, and those in the thread agreed.
I understand the specific implication of what the ThirdPersonSeductress trope is getting at, but the problem is that when compared to something like MsFanservice, there's a very specific bar to clear in saying this character was not ''just'' for the sake of providing fanservice, but to fulfill this very direct assertion of "the game was going to show the back end of a character for hour upon hour, then it may as well be the back end of a pretty girl." That's not only treading into "Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific", but that's a bar that many wicks do not clear -- many avoid explaining that qualifier and just use it synonymously with MsFanservice.
Below is my wick check:
* Examples explaining that the attractive female player character was made the way she is for male titillation:
* Example is just "an attractive female player character"
* Misuse/ZCE
[[folder:Examples explaining that the attractive female player character was made the way she is for male titillation]]
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[[folder:Example is just "an attractive female player character"]]
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Short version: Is this not just a video game-specific version of MsFanservice?
Longer version: A while back I brought up ThirdPersonSeductress [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16938696700.56296700&page=1 on Image Pickin']] due to the page image at the time being Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption of Lara Croft of ''Franchise/TombRaider'', and in several attempts to find better, more illustrative examples of the trope, we repeatedly ran into problems of not being able to find illustrations that actually said more than "the player character is [[MsFanservice an attractive woman]]," missing out on the implied idea behind the trope that the character was made with the specific intent by developers to give the ([[MostGamersAreMale presumably heterosexual male player]]) something sexy to play as with the driving philosophy being "SexSells". However, someone pointed out that that's just a DistinctionWithoutADifference, and those in the thread agreed.
I understand the specific implication of what the ThirdPersonSeductress trope is getting at, but the problem is that when compared to something like MsFanservice, there's a very specific bar to clear in saying this character was not ''just'' for the sake of providing fanservice, but to fulfill this very direct assertion of "the game was going to show the back end of a character for hour upon hour, then it may as well be the back end of a pretty girl." That's not only treading into "Administrivia/TheSameButMoreSpecific", but that's a bar that many wicks do not clear -- many avoid explaining that qualifier and just use it synonymously with MsFanservice.
Below is my wick check:
* Examples explaining that the attractive female player character was made the way she is for male titillation:
* Example is just "an attractive female player character"
* Misuse/ZCE
[[folder:Examples explaining that the attractive female player character was made the way she is for male titillation]]
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[[folder:Example is just "an attractive female player character"]]
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