History Sandbox / Themayorofsimpleton

Misused: WalkingSpoiler:

WalkingSpoiler:

WalkingSpoiler is a trope about characters whose very existence is a spoiler, hence the name. Unfortunately, as a [[Sandbox/WalkingSpoilerWickCheck wick check]] shows (and as I observed, a quick look at the page also shows), many, many examples are misused, often instead being about characters who are heavily associated with spoilers, but are not themselves spoilers. Specifically:

WalkingSpoiler (to be done later)

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* SeasonalRot[=/=]DorkAge

'''For SeasonalRot:'''

And DorkAge for that matter. Classified as "Needs Help" because it is actually a combination of Unclear Description, Misused, and Complaining all at once.

SeasonalRot and DorkAge are two very similar tropes (to the point where they may be similar enough to be redundant in some areas) that have attracted a lot of misuse and complaining over the years.

As a [[Sandbox/SeasonalRotDorkAgeWickChecks wick check shows,]] the first trope, SeasonalRot, is supposed to be about a single installment in a series that is believed to be of lower quality than other installments per the description. The laconic, however, states that it is simply a "dip in quality in a long-running series." The wick check shows that the examples often get confused between these two definitions as well, along with the trope attracting complaining.

The second trope, DorkAge, concerns a very similar concept to SeasonalRot's laconic, a period of time containing a dip in quality in a long-running ''franchise'' rather than series. The problem is, often times examples do not ''have'' a definitive beginning or end, as the wick check shows, along with also attracting complaining.

The definitions of both this trope and SeasonalRot have been noted as being very unclear, since it is hard to tell whether the examples cited as misuse are actually misuse, due to the conflicting definitions in the descriptions. They also seem to inherently invite complaining and contention, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious and hard to define. Any two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period, and any time period could be defined as "SeasonalRot" or a "DorkAge", which makes it hard to objectively define.

Oh, and here's what Administrivia/TropesNeedingTRS had to say about SeasonalRot:

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* SeasonalRot is unclear on whether it is supposed to be about a single season/installment that isn't as good as the rest, or a series that starts going downhill in quality; the latter is redundant to {{Sequelitis}}. The related DorkAge focuses on specific decisions that led to a downturn in quality, but it is also poorly defined.
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What should be done with the tropes? Well first off, I initially considered asking for a time limit on DorkAge or SeasonalRot examples, but then I realized there is no way of definitively telling if a series is out of its "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" since it is based entirely on opinion. A more extreme choice could be making SeasonalRot or DorkAge (or a new trope made from combining the two into one) Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages, for being too contentious and opinion-based to make a non-biased judgement. That option might be too extreme, though, and I have few ideas beyond those, however. What should we do?

The definitions of both this trope and SeasonalRot have been noted as being very unclear, since it is hard to tell whether the examples cited as misuse are actually misuse, due to the conflicting definitions in the descriptions. They also seem to inherently invite complaining and contention, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious and hard to define. Any two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period, which makes it hard to objectively define.

The definitions of both this trope and SeasonalRot have been noted as being very unclear, since it is hard to tell whether the examples cited as misuse are actually misuse, due to the conflicting definitions in the descriptions. They also seem to inherently invite complaining and contention, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious and hard to define since any two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period, thereby making it hard to objectively define.

The definitions of both this trope and SeasonalRot have been noted as being very unclear, since it is hard to tell whether the examples cited as misuse are actually misuse, due to the conflicting definitions in the descriptions. They also seem to inherently invite complaining and contention, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious and hard to define, since any two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period, thereby making it hard to objectively define.

The definitions of both this trope and SeasonalRot have been noted as being very unclear, since it is hard to tell whether the examples cited as misuse are actually misuse, due to the conflicting definitions in the descriptions. They also seem to inherently invite complaining and contention, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious and hard to define, since any two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period.

For SeasonalRot:

What should be done with the tropes? Well first off, I initially considered asking for a time limit on DorkAge or SeasonalRot examples, but then I realized there is no way of definitively telling if a series is out of its "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" since it is based entirely on opinion. A more extreme choice could be making SeasonalRot or DorkAge (or a new trope made from combining the two into one) Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages, for being too contentious and opinion-based to make a non-biased judgement. I have few ideas beyond those, however. What should we do?

And DorkAge for that matter.

The definition of both this trope and SeasonalRot also seem to inherently invite complaining and contention, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious and hard to define, since any two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period.

What should be done with the tropes? Well first off, I initially considered asking for a time limit on DorkAge or SeasonalRot examples, but then I realized there is no way of definitively telling if a series is out of its "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" since it is based entirely on opinion. A more extreme choice could be making SeasonalRot or DorkAge (or a new trope made from combining the two into one) Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages, for being too contentious and opinion-based to make a non-biased judgement. I have few ideas beyond those, however. What should we do?

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[[folder:Write-up for SeasonalRot]]

As a [[Sandbox/SeasonalRotDorkAgeWickChecks wick check shows,]] the first trope, SeasonalRot, is supposed to be about a single installment in a series that is believed to be of lower quality than other installments per the description. The laconic, however, states that it is simply a "dip in quality in a long-running series." The wick check shows that the examples often get confused between these two definitions as well, along with attracting complaining.

The second trope, DorkAge, concerns a very similar concept to SeasonalRot's laconic, a period of time containing a dip in quality in a long-running ''franchise'' rather than series. The problem is, often times examples do not ''have'' a definitive beginning or end, as the wick check shows.

The definition of both this trope and SeasonalRot also seem to invite complaining, by concerning a concept that is inherently contentious, since two fans can often have a different opinion on a supposed "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" period.

What should be done with the tropes? Well first off, I initially considered asking for a time limit on DorkAge or SeasonalRot examples, but then I realized there is no way of definitively telling if a series is out of its "Dork Age" or "Seasonal Rot" since it is based entirely on opinion. A more extreme choice could be making SeasonalRot or DorkAge Administrivia/DefinitionOnlyPages, for being too contentious and opinion-based to make a non-biased judgement. I have few ideas beyond those, however. What should we do?

As a [[SeasonalRotDorkAgeWickChecks wick check shows,]] the first trope, SeasonalRot, is supposed to be about a single installment in a series that is believed to be of lower quality than other installments per the description. The laconic, however, states that it is simply a "dip in quality in a long-running series." The wick check shows that the examples often get confused between these two definitions as well, along with attracting complaining.

* EightPointEight

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!!TRS writeup for EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys

EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys is supposed to be (as far as I can tell) about monkeys being used to add comedic value to a work. However, likely due to its [[Administrivia/EverythingsWorseWithSnowclones name]], it has essentially become "monkeys exist", which is Administrivia/PeopleSitOnChairs. A [[Sandbox/ThisWickChecksBetterWithMonkeys wick check]] specifically revealed the following:

* 12% of examples are correct
* 74% of examples are simply about monkeys existing in a work
* 10% of examples were about other monkey-related concepts we may or may not have tropes for/may or may not be tropeworthy, and
* 4% of examples were not classifiable under the other categories.

Making things worse is that even the correct examples, as pointed out by Tropers/WarJay77, are very low on context. On top of that (although I am fairly certain it is) I am not even entirely sure if the definition I used ''is'' the definition, since the description and Laconic are both unclear as to the actual meaning of this trope.

I am unsure of the tropeworthiness of what I believe to be the concept, but it might exist, so I propose four possible solutions:

* Rename (on the Wick Check thread, I suggested MoreFunWithABarrelOfMonkeys, Tropers/{{mightymewtron}} suggested a play on MonkeyBusiness)
* Send back to TLP (possibly with a new name) with whatever legit examples there are and try to get some more legit examples
* Salvage yard it, or
* Cut the trope, maybe merging it with PrimateIndex

What does everyone else think should be done? Are there any other ideas for fixing this trope?

Making things worse is that even the correct examples, as pointed out by Tropers/WarJay77, are very low on context. On top of that, I am not even entirely sure if the definition I used ''is'' the definition, since the description and Laconic are both unclear as to the actual meaning of this trope.

Making things worse is that even the correct examples, as pointed out by Tropers/WarJay77, are very low on context.

I am unsure of the tropeworthiness of this concept, but it might exist, so I propose four possible solutions:

* Rename (I suggested MoreFunWithABarrelOfMonkeys, Tropers/{{mightymewtron}} suggested a play on MonkeyBusiness)

* Cut

What does everyone else think should be done?