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* Even after you beat Saber Alter, the singularity doesn't fix itself. When you go back, Heracles is still there and still corrupted, everything is still on fire, the humans have not returned, and in fact everything is exactly as you left it.
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* Even after you beat Saber Alter, the singularity doesn't fix itself. When you go back, Heracles is still there and still corrupted, everything is still on fire, the humans have not returned, and in fact everything is exactly as you left it.it.
!!Character page - FGO Odin
The greatest god of the Norse Pantheon, known as the Allfather of Wisdom. Although he never appears in person, his actions make a strong impact on the plot.
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* TheArchmage: He is the one who brought/discovered the 18 Primordial Runes, and all characters that possess them (save regular Scáthach) have a direct Conny to him. Notably, the Primordial Rune skill does not have a rank, not even EX (which is what is usually given to skills impossible to rank).
* {{Familiar}}: As per myth, he has his crows Huginn and Muninn, and his wolves Freki and Geri. Huginn and Muninn watch over the protagonists during the second Lostbelt, while Freki and Geri were apparently given to Cú Chulainn Caster.
* TheGhost: He never shows up in person, only talked about by other characters.
* GreaterScopeParagon: By his actions, it's pretty clear he fights for Proper Human History. He used Cú Chulainn Caster as his agent to aid Chaldea in stabilizing Singularity F and Lostbelt 6, and he indirectly aids Chaldea against Scáthach-Skadi in Lostbelt 2.
* TheManBehindTheMan: A positive example of this trope; he is the one directing Cú Chulainn Caster's actions for the entirety of the game in order to aid Chaldea.
* TheOmniscient: Unconfirmed, but what we know of his so far shows that he has the best Clairvoyance in the setting. He can see through past, present and future, can see what happens in the Lostbelts and the Singularities, and can exert his influence on all. Not even Goetia could see beyond 2018 of Proper Human History, and that was in the Grand Caster vessel.
* SuperEmpowering: One of his abilities, most clearly seen with Cú Caster, who can now use Runes in ways he was never taught.
!!Character page - FGO Odin
The greatest god of the Norse Pantheon, known as the Allfather of Wisdom. Although he never appears in person, his actions make a strong impact on the plot.
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* TheArchmage: He is the one who brought/discovered the 18 Primordial Runes, and all characters that possess them (save regular Scáthach) have a direct Conny to him. Notably, the Primordial Rune skill does not have a rank, not even EX (which is what is usually given to skills impossible to rank).
* {{Familiar}}: As per myth, he has his crows Huginn and Muninn, and his wolves Freki and Geri. Huginn and Muninn watch over the protagonists during the second Lostbelt, while Freki and Geri were apparently given to Cú Chulainn Caster.
* TheGhost: He never shows up in person, only talked about by other characters.
* GreaterScopeParagon: By his actions, it's pretty clear he fights for Proper Human History. He used Cú Chulainn Caster as his agent to aid Chaldea in stabilizing Singularity F and Lostbelt 6, and he indirectly aids Chaldea against Scáthach-Skadi in Lostbelt 2.
* TheManBehindTheMan: A positive example of this trope; he is the one directing Cú Chulainn Caster's actions for the entirety of the game in order to aid Chaldea.
* TheOmniscient: Unconfirmed, but what we know of his so far shows that he has the best Clairvoyance in the setting. He can see through past, present and future, can see what happens in the Lostbelts and the Singularities, and can exert his influence on all. Not even Goetia could see beyond 2018 of Proper Human History, and that was in the Grand Caster vessel.
* SuperEmpowering: One of his abilities, most clearly seen with Cú Caster, who can now use Runes in ways he was never taught.
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** The fact that Cu Chulainn Caster was summoned, as detailed above.
** Another Servant that was summoned there was Benkei. WordOfGod states that the Holy Grail in Fuyuki cannot summon Eastern Servants because it's a Western concept (Emiya being the exception for several reasons), so how is he here?
** Another Servant that was summoned there was Benkei. WordOfGod states that the Holy Grail in Fuyuki cannot summon Eastern Servants because it's a Western concept (Emiya being the exception for several reasons), so how is he here?
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** The fact that Cu Chulainn Caster was summoned, as detailed above.
** Another ServantLancer that was summoned there was Benkei. WordOfGod states that the Holy Grail in Fuyuki cannot summon Eastern Servants because it's a Western concept (Emiya being the exception for several reasons), so how is he here?
** Another Servant
** Another servant who isn't here is Medea... yet you still fight Dragon Tooth warriors in certain places.
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* Then there's the fact that specific areas were destroyed.
** The Tohsaka is replaced by a ''crater'', which also marks the point of the Excalibur attack. This could mean ''anything'':
** The Emiya residence is reduced to rabble.
** The Tohsaka is replaced by a ''crater'', which also marks the point of the Excalibur attack. This could mean ''anything'':
** The Emiya residence is reduced to rabble.
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* Then there's the fact that specific areas were destroyed.
**destroyed. The Tohsaka is replaced by a ''crater'', which also marks the point of the Excalibur attack. This could mean ''anything'':
** Theattack, the Emiya residence is reduced to rabble.rabble, and so is the school, etc. This can have several explanations. While attacking the house of the Second Owner makes sense if you want to dismantle a grail war, it looks a lot more like she specifically hunted down the Masters from ''Fate/stay night''.
* Even after you beat Saber Alter, the singularity doesn't fix itself. When you go back, Heracles is still there and still corrupted, everything is still on fire, the humans have not returned, and in fact everything is exactly as you left it.
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* Even after you beat Saber Alter, the singularity doesn't fix itself. When you go back, Heracles is still there and still corrupted, everything is still on fire, the humans have not returned, and in fact everything is exactly as you left it.
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* ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'':
** ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'':
*** Archer... is not an archer. He has a bow that he can use, but he's primarily a swordsman. The same goes for [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]], the Archer from the previous Holy Grail War. WordOfGod has stated either could have gotten the title of Saber (in each Holy Grail War, there's the same set of seven titles the servants go by), but the Saber who is [[spoiler:King Arthur]] fits it even better, and since they often used their swords [[StormOfBlades as range weapons]] "Archer" was the next best fit. FSN Archer's personal combat philosophies are also quite close to the ideal of ''Kyūdō''. Not to mention the attitude which inspired the ''Independent Action'' ability associated with the Archer class being a strong element of characterization in both of the above.
*** Assassin, from the same series, is not an assassin. He is an honorable and upfront {{ronin}} who doesn't bother using his class skill and prefers matching swords with his opponents in fair fights. He isn't even a Hassan, which is an actual requirement for being summoned in this class under normal conditions. [[spoiler:There is a reason why a Servant named ''True'' Assassin appears in the Heaven's Feel route.]]
** ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' proves that the definitions and qualifications of the Servant classes are actually quite loose, to the point of MemeticMutation.
*** The '''Saber''' class is ''usually'' made up of sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks), Nikola Tesla (who [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archers and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
*** The definition of '''Lancer''' is a horse riding knight or similar wielding a lance. The definition of Lancer in ''FGO'' is anyone who wields a BladeOnAStick, which includes lances, spears, Naginatas, scythes, etc. And then [[spoiler:there's the Grand Lancer, who isn't wielding anything. He IS the spear, and he fights by shooting energy from his hands]]. This was questioned by a LOT of people.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class. Unless you're Saint Martha or Ozymandias. They don't ride anything.
*** You'd think '''Caster''' contains wizards. No it doesn't. Other than magic users, this is the go-to class for scientists, inventors, craftsmen, and artists. This is why Thomas Edison and Hans Christian Andersen are here. It should also be noted the Muramasa - a swordsmith - is annoyed that he's a Saber as he would normally be in this class, and he even has the Caster-exclusive ''Territory Creation'' skill.
*** The good chunk of the '''Assassin''' class failed to assassinate their targets. [[spoiler:Grand Assassin]] is a ''swordsman'', which is {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d the second he shows up. And why is Dr. Henry Jekyll here?
*** You'd think that the '''Berserker''' class is made up of people with UnstoppableRage. Sure, there's no shortage of them, but that's not the actual qualification. Berserkers are those who are inflicted with ''Madness Enhancement'', which makes their behaviour erratic even if it previously wasn't. While there are plenty of natural Berserkers who had a few screws loose to begin with, you also end up with folks like Florence Nightingale (who wasn't like this at ''all'' in real life), and Beowulf who isn't acting any crazy at all. Oh and by the way, there are some people ''out'' of the Berserker class who have Madness Enhancement.
*** The '''Ruler''' class, introduced in ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', sounds like a class where you'd find a lot of kings. No. It's a class for people who do not wish for the Holy Grail, and they're supposed to act as regulators for the other Servants. ...''Except'' that Amakusa Shirou Tosikada didn't get the memo, because he sure wants that cup. And there are a whole bunch of people in other classes who are not interested in the grail either.
*** The game itself pokes a lot of fun with this, but the grand prize has to go to Caster Merlin, who says that "even though his sword shoots beams, he's not an Archer."
** ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'':
*** Archer... is not an archer. He has a bow that he can use, but he's primarily a swordsman. The same goes for [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]], the Archer from the previous Holy Grail War. WordOfGod has stated either could have gotten the title of Saber (in each Holy Grail War, there's the same set of seven titles the servants go by), but the Saber who is [[spoiler:King Arthur]] fits it even better, and since they often used their swords [[StormOfBlades as range weapons]] "Archer" was the next best fit. FSN Archer's personal combat philosophies are also quite close to the ideal of ''Kyūdō''. Not to mention the attitude which inspired the ''Independent Action'' ability associated with the Archer class being a strong element of characterization in both of the above.
*** Assassin, from the same series, is not an assassin. He is an honorable and upfront {{ronin}} who doesn't bother using his class skill and prefers matching swords with his opponents in fair fights. He isn't even a Hassan, which is an actual requirement for being summoned in this class under normal conditions. [[spoiler:There is a reason why a Servant named ''True'' Assassin appears in the Heaven's Feel route.]]
** ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' proves that the definitions and qualifications of the Servant classes are actually quite loose, to the point of MemeticMutation.
*** The '''Saber''' class is ''usually'' made up of sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks), Nikola Tesla (who [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archers and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
*** The definition of '''Lancer''' is a horse riding knight or similar wielding a lance. The definition of Lancer in ''FGO'' is anyone who wields a BladeOnAStick, which includes lances, spears, Naginatas, scythes, etc. And then [[spoiler:there's the Grand Lancer, who isn't wielding anything. He IS the spear, and he fights by shooting energy from his hands]]. This was questioned by a LOT of people.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class. Unless you're Saint Martha or Ozymandias. They don't ride anything.
*** You'd think '''Caster''' contains wizards. No it doesn't. Other than magic users, this is the go-to class for scientists, inventors, craftsmen, and artists. This is why Thomas Edison and Hans Christian Andersen are here. It should also be noted the Muramasa - a swordsmith - is annoyed that he's a Saber as he would normally be in this class, and he even has the Caster-exclusive ''Territory Creation'' skill.
*** The good chunk of the '''Assassin''' class failed to assassinate their targets. [[spoiler:Grand Assassin]] is a ''swordsman'', which is {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d the second he shows up. And why is Dr. Henry Jekyll here?
*** You'd think that the '''Berserker''' class is made up of people with UnstoppableRage. Sure, there's no shortage of them, but that's not the actual qualification. Berserkers are those who are inflicted with ''Madness Enhancement'', which makes their behaviour erratic even if it previously wasn't. While there are plenty of natural Berserkers who had a few screws loose to begin with, you also end up with folks like Florence Nightingale (who wasn't like this at ''all'' in real life), and Beowulf who isn't acting any crazy at all. Oh and by the way, there are some people ''out'' of the Berserker class who have Madness Enhancement.
*** The '''Ruler''' class, introduced in ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', sounds like a class where you'd find a lot of kings. No. It's a class for people who do not wish for the Holy Grail, and they're supposed to act as regulators for the other Servants. ...''Except'' that Amakusa Shirou Tosikada didn't get the memo, because he sure wants that cup. And there are a whole bunch of people in other classes who are not interested in the grail either.
*** The game itself pokes a lot of fun with this, but the grand prize has to go to Caster Merlin, who says that "even though his sword shoots beams, he's not an Archer."
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** ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'':
*** Archer... is not an archer. He has a bow that he can use, but he's primarily a swordsman. The same goes for [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]], the Archer from the previous Holy Grail War. WordOfGod has stated either could have gotten the title of Saber (in each Holy Grail War, there's the same set of seven titles the servants go by), but the Saber who is [[spoiler:King Arthur]] fits it even better, and since they often used their swords [[StormOfBlades as range weapons]] "Archer" was the next best fit. FSN Archer's personal combat philosophies are also quite close to the ideal of ''Kyūdō''. Not to mention the attitude which inspired the ''Independent Action'' ability associated with the Archer class being a strong element of characterization in both of the above.
*** Assassin, from the same series, is not an assassin. He is an honorable and upfront {{ronin}} who doesn't bother using his class skill and prefers matching swords with his opponents in fair fights. He isn't even a Hassan, which is an actual requirement for being summoned in this class under normal conditions. [[spoiler:There is a reason why a Servant named ''True'' Assassin appears in the Heaven's Feel route.]]
** ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' proves that the definitions and qualifications of the Servant classes are actually quite loose, to the point of MemeticMutation.
*** The '''Saber''' class is ''usually'' made up of sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks), Nikola Tesla (who [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archers and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
*** The definition of '''Lancer''' is a horse riding knight or similar wielding a lance. The definition of Lancer in ''FGO'' is anyone who wields a BladeOnAStick, which includes lances, spears, Naginatas, scythes, etc. And then [[spoiler:there's the Grand Lancer, who isn't wielding anything. He IS the spear, and he fights by shooting energy from his hands]]. This was questioned by a LOT of people.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class. Unless you're Saint Martha or Ozymandias. They don't ride anything.
*** You'd think '''Caster''' contains wizards. No it doesn't. Other than magic users, this is the go-to class for scientists, inventors, craftsmen, and artists. This is why Thomas Edison and Hans Christian Andersen are here. It should also be noted the Muramasa - a swordsmith - is annoyed that he's a Saber as he would normally be in this class, and he even has the Caster-exclusive ''Territory Creation'' skill.
*** The good chunk of the '''Assassin''' class failed to assassinate their targets. [[spoiler:Grand Assassin]] is a ''swordsman'', which is {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d the second he shows up. And why is Dr. Henry Jekyll here?
*** You'd think that the '''Berserker''' class is made up of people with UnstoppableRage. Sure, there's no shortage of them, but that's not the actual qualification. Berserkers are those who are inflicted with ''Madness Enhancement'', which makes their behaviour erratic even if it previously wasn't. While there are plenty of natural Berserkers who had a few screws loose to begin with, you also end up with folks like Florence Nightingale (who wasn't like this at ''all'' in real life), and Beowulf who isn't acting any crazy at all. Oh and by the way, there are some people ''out'' of the Berserker class who have Madness Enhancement.
*** The '''Ruler''' class, introduced in ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', sounds like a class where you'd find a lot of kings. No. It's a class for people who do not wish for the Holy Grail, and they're supposed to act as regulators for the other Servants. ...''Except'' that Amakusa Shirou Tosikada didn't get the memo, because he sure wants that cup. And there are a whole bunch of people in other classes who are not interested in the grail either.
*** The game itself pokes a lot of fun with this, but the grand prize has to go to Caster Merlin, who says that "even though his sword shoots beams, he's not an Archer."
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*** '''Sabers''' are ''usually'' sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
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*** '''Sabers''' are The '''Saber''' class is ''usually'' made up of sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
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*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks) Nikola Tesla (who [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archers and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
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*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks) rocks), Nikola Tesla (who [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archers and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
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*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks) Nikola Tesla (who uses basically [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archer and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
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*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks) Nikola Tesla (who uses basically [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archer Archers and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
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** The definition of '''Lancer''' is a horse riding knight or similar wielding a lance. The definition of Lancer in ''FGO'' is anyone who wields a BladeOnAStick, which includes lances, spears, Naginatas, scythes, etc. And then [[spoiler:there's the Grand Lancer, who isn't wielding anything. He IS the spear, and he fights by shooting energy from his hands]]. This was questioned by a LOT of people.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class.
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*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class. Unless you're Saint Martha or Ozymandias. They don't ride anything.
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*** You'd think that the '''Berserker''' class is made up of people with UnstoppableRage. Sure, there's no shortage of them, but that's not the actual qualification. Berserkers are those who are inflicted with ''Madness Enhancement'', which makes their behaviour erratic even if it previously wasn't. While there are plenty of natural Berserkers who had a few screws loose to begin with, you also end up with folks like Florence Nightingale (who wasn't like this at ''all'' in real life), and Beowulf who isn't acting any crazy at all. Oh and by the way, there are some people ''out'' of the Berserker class who have Madness Enhancement.
*** The '''Ruler''' class, introduced in ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', sounds like a class where you'd find a lot of kings. No. It's a class for people who do not wish for the Holy Grail, and they're supposed to act as regulators for the other Servants. ...''Except'' that Amakusa Shirou Tosikada didn't get the memo, because he sure wants that cup. And there are a whole bunch of people in other classes who are not interested in the grail either.
*** The '''Ruler''' class, introduced in ''LightNovel/FateApocrypha'', sounds like a class where you'd find a lot of kings. No. It's a class for people who do not wish for the Holy Grail, and they're supposed to act as regulators for the other Servants. ...''Except'' that Amakusa Shirou Tosikada didn't get the memo, because he sure wants that cup. And there are a whole bunch of people in other classes who are not interested in the grail either.
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* ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'':
** ''VideoGame/Persona1'':
*** After the first dungeon, the game offers you the option to either go through the SEBEC route, or the Snow Queen Quest. The two routes have absolutely nothing in common, so you fight completely different bosses in each.
*** In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
** ''VideoGame/Persona2'':
*** In ''Innocent Sin'', right before Caracol you can either leave Yukino behind or force her to come with you. If you take her with you, when you reach the observation bridge you have to fight three Longinus Spear mechs. However, if you leave her behind, you find [[spoiler:Shadow Yukino and Lady Scorpio]] fighting them, and you have to fight ''them'' once they're done.
*** In ''Eternal Punishment'', one third through the game you are asked to spread a rumour that the person investigating the NewWorldOrder is either a man or a woman. Spreading the rumour it's a woman results in Eriko's route, which takes you through the Sumaru TV station, and results in boss fights against her Stalker ([[spoiler:actually a Shikigami]]), Wang Long Chizuru's puppet, and in the Underwater Ruins, Wang Long Chizuru herself. However, if you spread the rumour it's a man, you go to Nanjo's route, and the game takes you through the sewers and the secret laboratory, where you fight several Red Berret Mini-bosses, and [[spoiler:Demonized Sugimoto]]. The Underwater Ruins boss is also replaced with [[spoiler:Takahisa Kandori and four X-2 mechs]].
* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': Long story short: If you're Law-aligned, you kill all the Chaotic leaders. If you're Chaos-aligned, you kill all the lawful leaders. If you're Neutral, you kill ''everyone''.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'':
*** In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, or both.
*** BonusBoss Beelzebub cannot be fought in the Chaos route because he joins you.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'': The FinalBoss is the same in all three routes, but the bosses you fight before that are different.
*** In the Law Route, you fight [[spoiler:Lucifer]].
*** In the Chaos Route, you have to fight your way through a BossBonanza that consists of [[spoiler:Sabaoth, Saddai and Elohim]], before fighting [[spoiler:Satan]].
*** In the Neutral route, you have to fight ''all of the above'', plus [[spoiler:Kuzuryuu]].
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne'': Since this game does not follow the typical Law-Chaos-Neutral alignment system, the potential routes and bosses that come with them become... ''complicated''.
*** If you choose to side with a Reason, you have to fight the summoned deities of all the other Reasons.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'':
*** In the Law Route, you fight against [[spoiler:Soil Jimenez, and Ubergestalt Gore]], and the FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]].
*** In the Chaos Route, you can fight against [[spoiler:Ryan, Mastema, and Ubergestalt Gore]]. The FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]].
*** In the Neutral route, you fight against [[spoiler:Soil Jimenez and Pillar Zelenin]], and the FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]].
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] adds extensions and new bosses to the already existing ones. To even unlock the new endings you need to complete the Womb of Grief, including its several bosses.
*** Also only in Redux, [[spoiler:Alex]] is introduced as a RecurringBoss, but the final fight against her greatly changes depending on the route. If you do not go for the new endings, you have to fight her one extra time - either before [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]] in Chaos, or after [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]] in Law and Neutral. Also, depending on how far you progressed in the Womb of Grief, she may summon [[spoiler:Amon and Shaytan]] [[WolfpackBoss to help her out]]. On the other hand, if you ''do'' go for her games, you avoid that last battle but have to fight her several more times throughout the game in exchange.
* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Depending on which ending you're going for, several boss fights play out quite differently.
** In any Neutral route (any playthrough where you don't go to [[spoiler:the True Lab]]), the last two bosses are [[spoiler:Asgore]], followed by [[spoiler:Omega Flowey]]. It should be noted that you cannot fight the second one indefinitely; if you beat him in two playthroughs, he won't fight you again because he knows he'll lose, thus locking you out of the fight.
** If you ''do'' go through [[spoiler:the True Lab]], the fights against [[spoiler:Asgore and Omega Flowey]] are skipped and instead you fight [[spoiler:the God of Hyperdeath]]. This is also the route that unlocks the GoldenEnding.
** If you're going for endings such as [[spoiler:Annoying Dog as king]] or [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy run]], you cannot [[SkippableBoss skip Muffet]].
** The [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy]] route has by far the biggest changes, even if most of the individuals that fight you are the same.
*** [[spoiler:Papyrus]] ''doesn't'' fight you, he just stands there. This is in sharp contrast to his WakeUpCallBoss status in all other routes.
*** MiniBoss Mad Dummy turns into Glad Dummy and also refuses to fight you.
*** [[spoiler:Undyne is killed in one hit and [[CameBackStrong turns into Undyne the Undying]], who is much, ''much'' more difficult.]]
*** Mettaton [[spoiler:ditches the show-ratings thing and the EX form, and instead shows up in the NEO form. He goes down in one hit, which is far different from his ThatOneBoss EX fight.]]
*** This is the only route where you can fight [[spoiler: Sans]]. He serves as the FinalBoss. [[spoiler:Asgore and Flowey]] are dealt with in cutscenes instead.
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* ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'':
** ''VideoGame/Persona1'':
*** After the first dungeon, the game offers you the option to either go through the SEBEC route, or the Snow Queen Quest. The two routes have absolutely nothing in common, so you fight completely different bosses in each.
*** In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
** ''VideoGame/Persona2'':
*** In ''Innocent Sin'', right before Caracol you can either leave Yukino behind or force her to come with you. If you take her with you, when you reach the observation bridge you have to fight three Longinus Spear mechs. However, if you leave her behind, you find [[spoiler:Shadow Yukino and Lady Scorpio]] fighting them, and you have to fight ''them'' once they're done.
*** In ''Eternal Punishment'', one third through the game you are asked to spread a rumour that the person investigating the NewWorldOrder is either a man or a woman. Spreading the rumour it's a woman results in Eriko's route, which takes you through the Sumaru TV station, and results in boss fights against her Stalker ([[spoiler:actually a Shikigami]]), Wang Long Chizuru's puppet, and in the Underwater Ruins, Wang Long Chizuru herself. However, if you spread the rumour it's a man, you go to Nanjo's route, and the game takes you through the sewers and the secret laboratory, where you fight several Red Berret Mini-bosses, and [[spoiler:Demonized Sugimoto]]. The Underwater Ruins boss is also replaced with [[spoiler:Takahisa Kandori and four X-2 mechs]].
* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': Long story short: If you're Law-aligned, you kill all the Chaotic leaders. If you're Chaos-aligned, you kill all the lawful leaders. If you're Neutral, you kill ''everyone''.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'':
*** In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, or both.
*** BonusBoss Beelzebub cannot be fought in the Chaos route because he joins you.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'': The FinalBoss is the same in all three routes, but the bosses you fight before that are different.
*** In the Law Route, you fight [[spoiler:Lucifer]].
*** In the Chaos Route, you have to fight your way through a BossBonanza that consists of [[spoiler:Sabaoth, Saddai and Elohim]], before fighting [[spoiler:Satan]].
*** In the Neutral route, you have to fight ''all of the above'', plus [[spoiler:Kuzuryuu]].
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne'': Since this game does not follow the typical Law-Chaos-Neutral alignment system, the potential routes and bosses that come with them become... ''complicated''.
*** If you choose to side with a Reason, you have to fight the summoned deities of all the other Reasons.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'':
*** In the Law Route, you fight against [[spoiler:Soil Jimenez, and Ubergestalt Gore]], and the FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]].
*** In the Chaos Route, you can fight against [[spoiler:Ryan, Mastema, and Ubergestalt Gore]]. The FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]].
*** In the Neutral route, you fight against [[spoiler:Soil Jimenez and Pillar Zelenin]], and the FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]].
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] adds extensions and new bosses to the already existing ones. To even unlock the new endings you need to complete the Womb of Grief, including its several bosses.
*** Also only in Redux, [[spoiler:Alex]] is introduced as a RecurringBoss, but the final fight against her greatly changes depending on the route. If you do not go for the new endings, you have to fight her one extra time - either before [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]] in Chaos, or after [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]] in Law and Neutral. Also, depending on how far you progressed in the Womb of Grief, she may summon [[spoiler:Amon and Shaytan]] [[WolfpackBoss to help her out]]. On the other hand, if you ''do'' go for her games, you avoid that last battle but have to fight her several more times throughout the game in exchange.
* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Depending on which ending you're going for, several boss fights play out quite differently.
** In any Neutral route (any playthrough where you don't go to [[spoiler:the True Lab]]), the last two bosses are [[spoiler:Asgore]], followed by [[spoiler:Omega Flowey]]. It should be noted that you cannot fight the second one indefinitely; if you beat him in two playthroughs, he won't fight you again because he knows he'll lose, thus locking you out of the fight.
** If you ''do'' go through [[spoiler:the True Lab]], the fights against [[spoiler:Asgore and Omega Flowey]] are skipped and instead you fight [[spoiler:the God of Hyperdeath]]. This is also the route that unlocks the GoldenEnding.
** If you're going for endings such as [[spoiler:Annoying Dog as king]] or [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy run]], you cannot [[SkippableBoss skip Muffet]].
** The [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy]] route has by far the biggest changes, even if most of the individuals that fight you are the same.
*** [[spoiler:Papyrus]] ''doesn't'' fight you, he just stands there. This is in sharp contrast to his WakeUpCallBoss status in all other routes.
*** MiniBoss Mad Dummy turns into Glad Dummy and also refuses to fight you.
*** [[spoiler:Undyne is killed in one hit and [[CameBackStrong turns into Undyne the Undying]], who is much, ''much'' more difficult.]]
*** Mettaton [[spoiler:ditches the show-ratings thing and the EX form, and instead shows up in the NEO form. He goes down in one hit, which is far different from his ThatOneBoss EX fight.]]
*** This is the only route where you can fight [[spoiler: Sans]]. He serves as the FinalBoss. [[spoiler:Asgore and Flowey]] are dealt with in cutscenes instead.
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* ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'':
** ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'':
*** Archer... is not an archer. He has a bow that he can use, but he's primarily a swordsman. The same goes for [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]], the Archer from the previous Holy Grail War. WordOfGod has stated either could have gotten the title of Saber (in each Holy Grail War, there's the same set of seven titles the servants go by), but the Saber who is [[spoiler:King Arthur]] fits it even better, and since they often used their swords [[StormOfBlades as range weapons]] "Archer" was the next best fit. FSN Archer's personal combat philosophies are also quite close to the ideal of ''Kyūdō''. Not to mention the attitude which inspired the ''Independent Action'' ability associated with the Archer class being a strong element of characterization in both of the above.
*** Assassin, from the same series, is not an assassin. He is an honorable and upfront {{ronin}} who doesn't bother using his class skill and prefers matching swords with his opponents in fair fights. He isn't even a Hassan, which is an actual requirement for being summoned in this class under normal conditions. [[spoiler:There is a reason why a Servant named ''True'' Assassin appears in the Heaven's Feel route.]]
** ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' proves that the definitions and qualifications of the Servant classes are actually quite loose, to the point of MemeticMutation.
*** '''Sabers''' are ''usually'' sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks) Nikola Tesla (who uses basically [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archer and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
** The definition of '''Lancer''' is a horse riding knight or similar wielding a lance. The definition of Lancer in ''FGO'' is anyone who wields a BladeOnAStick, which includes lances, spears, Naginatas, scythes, etc. And then [[spoiler:there's the Grand Lancer, who isn't wielding anything. He IS the spear, and he fights by shooting energy from his hands]]. This was questioned by a LOT of people.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class.
*** You'd think '''Caster''' contains wizards. No it doesn't. Other than magic users, this is the go-to class for scientists, inventors, craftsmen, and artists. This is why Thomas Edison and Hans Christian Andersen are here. It should also be noted the Muramasa - a swordsmith - is annoyed that he's a Saber as he would normally be in this class, and he even has the Caster-exclusive ''Territory Creation'' skill.
*** The good chunk of the '''Assassin''' class failed to assassinate their targets. [[spoiler:Grand Assassin]] is a ''swordsman'', which is {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d the second he shows up. And why is Dr. Henry Jekyll here?
*** The game itself pokes a lot of fun with this, but the grand prize has to go to Caster Merlin, who says that "even though his sword shoots beams, he's not an Archer."
* ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'':
** ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'':
*** Archer... is not an archer. He has a bow that he can use, but he's primarily a swordsman. The same goes for [[spoiler:Gilgamesh]], the Archer from the previous Holy Grail War. WordOfGod has stated either could have gotten the title of Saber (in each Holy Grail War, there's the same set of seven titles the servants go by), but the Saber who is [[spoiler:King Arthur]] fits it even better, and since they often used their swords [[StormOfBlades as range weapons]] "Archer" was the next best fit. FSN Archer's personal combat philosophies are also quite close to the ideal of ''Kyūdō''. Not to mention the attitude which inspired the ''Independent Action'' ability associated with the Archer class being a strong element of characterization in both of the above.
*** Assassin, from the same series, is not an assassin. He is an honorable and upfront {{ronin}} who doesn't bother using his class skill and prefers matching swords with his opponents in fair fights. He isn't even a Hassan, which is an actual requirement for being summoned in this class under normal conditions. [[spoiler:There is a reason why a Servant named ''True'' Assassin appears in the Heaven's Feel route.]]
** ''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' proves that the definitions and qualifications of the Servant classes are actually quite loose, to the point of MemeticMutation.
*** '''Sabers''' are ''usually'' sword users, which would be what you'd expect... Except that you have folks like Saber Karna who uses GoodOldFisticuffs, and Rama who states [[ThrowingYourSwordAlwaysWorks his sword is a throwing weapon]]. And then there's the fact that most of those Sabers can shoot {{Sword Beam}}s, which technically makes them ranged fighters. Which in turn would qualify them for...
*** The '''Archer''' class, which is not actually just archers but anyone who "fights from range". This includes people who use guns and crossbows, like Billy the Kid and William Tell, but also has some completely absurd members like King David (who throws rocks) Nikola Tesla (who uses basically [[ShockAndAwe shoots lightning]]), [[LightNovel/TheGardenOfSinners Asagami Fujino]] who can ''twist'' things (that's not even throwing anything!), and Summer Jeanne who throws ''dolphins''. [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer Yes, you read that right]]. And ''then'' the are the folks who can use a bow and arrow but choose not to, like the above mentioned ''FSN'' Archer and [[LightNovel/FateApocrypha Chiron]], who uses Pankration.
** The definition of '''Lancer''' is a horse riding knight or similar wielding a lance. The definition of Lancer in ''FGO'' is anyone who wields a BladeOnAStick, which includes lances, spears, Naginatas, scythes, etc. And then [[spoiler:there's the Grand Lancer, who isn't wielding anything. He IS the spear, and he fights by shooting energy from his hands]]. This was questioned by a LOT of people.
*** '''Rider''' sounds quite self-evident compared to the others... until Medb tells you that the only reason she qualifies for it is because she's [[DoubleEntendre skilled at riding men]]. Yes, you can ride ANYTHING in this class.
*** You'd think '''Caster''' contains wizards. No it doesn't. Other than magic users, this is the go-to class for scientists, inventors, craftsmen, and artists. This is why Thomas Edison and Hans Christian Andersen are here. It should also be noted the Muramasa - a swordsmith - is annoyed that he's a Saber as he would normally be in this class, and he even has the Caster-exclusive ''Territory Creation'' skill.
*** The good chunk of the '''Assassin''' class failed to assassinate their targets. [[spoiler:Grand Assassin]] is a ''swordsman'', which is {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d the second he shows up. And why is Dr. Henry Jekyll here?
*** The game itself pokes a lot of fun with this, but the grand prize has to go to Caster Merlin, who says that "even though his sword shoots beams, he's not an Archer."
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[=CasCu=] may be Odin in disguise
* At absolutely no point does he ever give his name or makes any mention to it.
** Other Servants who initially don't give their names say that they'll give it to you later. Caster does not even bring up the subject.
** In the ''Garden of Sinners'' crossover event, he says "there's no Cu Chulainn here". It's treated as a gag, but...
** In the Singularity F Memorial Quest, he's the only Servant referred to by his ''Class'' name instead of his True name.
* He's not supposed to be the Caster of the Fuyuki Grail War in the first place. In the original reality, it's Medea, while in ''FGO'' reality it's Solomon. Material states that Singularity F is the result of data colliding, and Caster resulted from that.
* "Isn't bit boring to play a game that never ends? For better or for worse, it's like you can't move the pieces forward, yeah?" Is he talking about Singularity F?
* His Final Ascension art and animation update features two white wolves. Odin is stated to have two wolves named Geri and Freki.
* His second Noble Phantasm, which he mentions in one of his My Room lines, is called "Ochd Deug Odin - Seal of the Great God". It's an exceedingly powerful Rank A Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm with potentially {{Game Break|er}}ing effects, but what's interesting is its description: it activates by chanting its True Name and using all 18 primordial runes granted by Scathach at once (keep in mind she taught him the Norse ones) and it "temporarily unleashes the power of the rune possessed by the Great Odin". Aside from the weirdness of him even having that Noble Phantasm in the first place (he's not supposed to have Wickerman either, but at least we get an explanation for that), why can't he use it? (Potential GameBreaker status not withstanding).
* In the North America version of the game, his Bond Craft Essense is called "Yggdrasil Tree". That's taken from Myth/NorseMythology, so why would a ''Celt'' have it?
* For some reason, he's in the Nordic Fields during Boudica's [=3rd=] Strengthening Quest.
* During Valentine's Day in the return gift scene, he talks about the Human Order Incineration and the Human Order Reorganization - a.k.a. the Lostbelts. Somehow he knew about the Lostbelts before the game even got to that point.
* In the 2019 Valentine's event, he's seen reading the book "Scandinavia's Beautiful Mountains".
* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. He also seems confused about him in his material profile. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions. The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
* According to the Arcade version of FGO, it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
* A lot of his official art has him looking subtly different that the other versions of Cu Chulainn.
** He has lighter-coloured hair in all of his artwork, and ''Anime/FateGrandCarnival'' gives him wrinkles under the eyes. This trait is usually used in anime to show a character around 40-50 years old; an age that Cu Chulainn never reached.
** In his card art and formal outfit card, his eyes are almost orange rather than red. In addition, one eye is always at least partially hidden.
** In his April Fool's card, he has different facial features than the rest of the Cu Chulainns.
* Tying to the above, Odin is known for disguising himself as an older man, usually a wizard, in a hood, and he's missing an eye. Missing eye aside, Caster fits all that criteria, and as pointed out above, most his art hides his eye anyway. Odin gave said eye in exchange for wisdom, and there are a few remarks that Caster is getting smarter.
* In the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Emiya draws a connection between Gae Bolg and Odin's spear, Gungnir. In his animation update, Caster throws his staff above the enemies heads, and then it changes tragectory to attack them from behind.While this could easily be a reference to Gae Bolg's actual method of killing in the myth (it entered the victim through the ''asshole''), it could also be a reference to how Odin would throw Gungnir above the heads of his enemies to declare a war.
* There are overall several indications that Caster will play a significant role later in the story: he's featured in the trailer of Lostbelt 6 and received his animation update during the Lostbelt 6 livestream, and WordOfGod has implied several times that we will be returning to Singularity F at some point.
** Tying to the above, in one of My Room conversations, he say's he'll teach you how to use Runes later. Maybe it's not BlatantLies after all.
* Caster and Odin share several personality traits. Both of them are known as "the raging one", are strongly tied with the concept of war, magic, and wisdom, and both of them are TheGadfly - as Caster displays in Singularity F when he tries to get Mash to activate her Noble Phantasm. In addition, in various events Caster seems to have a gambling problem, which is also one of Odin's traits. Not to mention "summon me as a Lancer" works for Odin too.
* At absolutely no point does he ever give his name or makes any mention to it.
** Other Servants who initially don't give their names say that they'll give it to you later. Caster does not even bring up the subject.
** In the ''Garden of Sinners'' crossover event, he says "there's no Cu Chulainn here". It's treated as a gag, but...
** In the Singularity F Memorial Quest, he's the only Servant referred to by his ''Class'' name instead of his True name.
* He's not supposed to be the Caster of the Fuyuki Grail War in the first place. In the original reality, it's Medea, while in ''FGO'' reality it's Solomon. Material states that Singularity F is the result of data colliding, and Caster resulted from that.
* "Isn't bit boring to play a game that never ends? For better or for worse, it's like you can't move the pieces forward, yeah?" Is he talking about Singularity F?
* His Final Ascension art and animation update features two white wolves. Odin is stated to have two wolves named Geri and Freki.
* His second Noble Phantasm, which he mentions in one of his My Room lines, is called "Ochd Deug Odin - Seal of the Great God". It's an exceedingly powerful Rank A Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm with potentially {{Game Break|er}}ing effects, but what's interesting is its description: it activates by chanting its True Name and using all 18 primordial runes granted by Scathach at once (keep in mind she taught him the Norse ones) and it "temporarily unleashes the power of the rune possessed by the Great Odin". Aside from the weirdness of him even having that Noble Phantasm in the first place (he's not supposed to have Wickerman either, but at least we get an explanation for that), why can't he use it? (Potential GameBreaker status not withstanding).
* In the North America version of the game, his Bond Craft Essense is called "Yggdrasil Tree". That's taken from Myth/NorseMythology, so why would a ''Celt'' have it?
* For some reason, he's in the Nordic Fields during Boudica's [=3rd=] Strengthening Quest.
* During Valentine's Day in the return gift scene, he talks about the Human Order Incineration and the Human Order Reorganization - a.k.a. the Lostbelts. Somehow he knew about the Lostbelts before the game even got to that point.
* In the 2019 Valentine's event, he's seen reading the book "Scandinavia's Beautiful Mountains".
* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. He also seems confused about him in his material profile. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions. The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
* According to the Arcade version of FGO, it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
* A lot of his official art has him looking subtly different that the other versions of Cu Chulainn.
** He has lighter-coloured hair in all of his artwork, and ''Anime/FateGrandCarnival'' gives him wrinkles under the eyes. This trait is usually used in anime to show a character around 40-50 years old; an age that Cu Chulainn never reached.
** In his card art and formal outfit card, his eyes are almost orange rather than red. In addition, one eye is always at least partially hidden.
** In his April Fool's card, he has different facial features than the rest of the Cu Chulainns.
* Tying to the above, Odin is known for disguising himself as an older man, usually a wizard, in a hood, and he's missing an eye. Missing eye aside, Caster fits all that criteria, and as pointed out above, most his art hides his eye anyway. Odin gave said eye in exchange for wisdom, and there are a few remarks that Caster is getting smarter.
* In the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Emiya draws a connection between Gae Bolg and Odin's spear, Gungnir. In his animation update, Caster throws his staff above the enemies heads, and then it changes tragectory to attack them from behind.While this could easily be a reference to Gae Bolg's actual method of killing in the myth (it entered the victim through the ''asshole''), it could also be a reference to how Odin would throw Gungnir above the heads of his enemies to declare a war.
* There are overall several indications that Caster will play a significant role later in the story: he's featured in the trailer of Lostbelt 6 and received his animation update during the Lostbelt 6 livestream, and WordOfGod has implied several times that we will be returning to Singularity F at some point.
** Tying to the above, in one of My Room conversations, he say's he'll teach you how to use Runes later. Maybe it's not BlatantLies after all.
* Caster and Odin share several personality traits. Both of them are known as "the raging one", are strongly tied with the concept of war, magic, and wisdom, and both of them are TheGadfly - as Caster displays in Singularity F when he tries to get Mash to activate her Noble Phantasm. In addition, in various events Caster seems to have a gambling problem, which is also one of Odin's traits. Not to mention "summon me as a Lancer" works for Odin too.
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** Other Servants who initially don't give their names say that they'll give it to you later. Caster does not even bring up
** In the ''Garden of Sinners'' crossover event, he says "there's no Cu Chulainn here". It's treated as a gag, but...
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* His second Noble Phantasm, which he mentions in one of his My Room lines, is called "Ochd Deug Odin - Seal of
* The Servants summoned in
* In the North America version of the game, his Bond Craft Essense is called "Yggdrasil Tree". That's taken from Myth/NorseMythology, so why would a ''Celt'' have it?
* For some reason, he's in the Nordic Fields during Boudica's [=3rd=] Strengthening Quest.
* During Valentine's Day in the return gift scene, he talks about the Human Order Incineration and the Human Order Reorganization - a.k.a. the Lostbelts. Somehow he knew about the Lostbelts before the game even got to that point.
* In the 2019 Valentine's event, he's seen reading the book "Scandinavia's Beautiful Mountains".
* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. He also seems confused about him in his material profile.
** The fact
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions. The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
* According to the Arcade version of FGO, it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
* A lot of his official art has him looking subtly different that the other versions of Cu Chulainn.
** He has lighter-coloured hair in all of his artwork, and ''Anime/FateGrandCarnival'' gives him wrinkles under the eyes. This trait is usually used in anime to show a character around 40-50 years old; an age
**
** A Servant that very notably is NOT here is Gilgamesh. The church that Gilgamesh normally uses as his
** In his April Fool's card, he has different facial features than
*
* In
* There are overall several indications that Caster will play a significant role later in the story: he's featured in the trailer of Lostbelt 6 and received his animation update during the Lostbelt 6 livestream, and WordOfGod has implied several times that we will be returning to Singularity F at some point.
** Tying to the above, in one of My Room conversations, he say's he'll teach you how to use Runes later. Maybe it's not BlatantLies after all.
* Caster and Odin share several personality traits. Both of them are known as "the raging one", are strongly tied with the concept of war, magic, and wisdom, and both of them are TheGadfly - as Caster displays
* As said above, in each Singularity there is a clear explanation about what went wrong with it. However, according to Caster, Fuyuki just... burst into flames all of a sudden and all the humans disappeared. And we never find out how.
** In the manga and animated adaptations, Benkei is replaced with Lancer Medusa - a full-grown version. In the animated adaptation, after the city went on fire she started turning people into stone; except that by that point, the humans were gone. So where did she find the people?
** Then there's the other theory that the humans did not disappear, but were ''hunted down''.
* Said implication? As the [[Fridge/FateGrandOrder Fridge Horror]] folder points out, it's implied that Saber is responsible for much of the destruction. The city is cut in half by what's strongly implied to be Excalibur.
* Then there's the fact that specific areas were destroyed.
** The Tohsaka is replaced by a ''crater'', which also
** The Emiya residence is reduced to
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* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions.
** The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
** Scathach says that it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions.
** The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
** Scathach says that it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
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* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. He also seems confused about him in his material profile. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT ofquestions.
**questions. The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
** Scathach says that * According to the Arcade version of FGO, it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.summoning.
* A lot of his official art has him looking subtly different that the other versions of Cu Chulainn.
** He has lighter-coloured hair in all of his artwork, and ''Anime/FateGrandCarnival'' gives him wrinkles under the eyes. This trait is usually used in anime to show a character around 40-50 years old; an age that Cu Chulainn never reached.
** In his card art and formal outfit card, his eyes are almost orange rather than red. In addition, one eye is always at least partially hidden.
** In his April Fool's card, he has different facial features than the rest of the Cu Chulainns.
* Tying to the above, Odin is known for disguising himself as an older man, usually a wizard, in a hood, and he's missing an eye. Missing eye aside, Caster fits all that criteria, and as pointed out above, most his art hides his eye anyway. Odin gave said eye in exchange for wisdom, and there are a few remarks that Caster is getting smarter.
* In the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Emiya draws a connection between Gae Bolg and Odin's spear, Gungnir. In his animation update, Caster throws his staff above the enemies heads, and then it changes tragectory to attack them from behind.While this could easily be a reference to Gae Bolg's actual method of killing in the myth (it entered the victim through the ''asshole''), it could also be a reference to how Odin would throw Gungnir above the heads of his enemies to declare a war.
* There are overall several indications that Caster will play a significant role later in the story: he's featured in the trailer of Lostbelt 6 and received his animation update during the Lostbelt 6 livestream, and WordOfGod has implied several times that we will be returning to Singularity F at some point.
** Tying to the above, in one of My Room conversations, he say's he'll teach you how to use Runes later. Maybe it's not BlatantLies after all.
* Caster and Odin share several personality traits. Both of them are known as "the raging one", are strongly tied with the concept of war, magic, and wisdom, and both of them are TheGadfly - as Caster displays in Singularity F when he tries to get Mash to activate her Noble Phantasm. In addition, in various events Caster seems to have a gambling problem, which is also one of Odin's traits. Not to mention "summon me as a Lancer" works for Odin too.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of
**
* A lot of his official art has him looking subtly different that the other versions of Cu Chulainn.
** He has lighter-coloured hair in all of his artwork, and ''Anime/FateGrandCarnival'' gives him wrinkles under the eyes. This trait is usually used in anime to show a character around 40-50 years old; an age that Cu Chulainn never reached.
** In his card art and formal outfit card, his eyes are almost orange rather than red. In addition, one eye is always at least partially hidden.
** In his April Fool's card, he has different facial features than the rest of the Cu Chulainns.
* Tying to the above, Odin is known for disguising himself as an older man, usually a wizard, in a hood, and he's missing an eye. Missing eye aside, Caster fits all that criteria, and as pointed out above, most his art hides his eye anyway. Odin gave said eye in exchange for wisdom, and there are a few remarks that Caster is getting smarter.
* In the original ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'', Emiya draws a connection between Gae Bolg and Odin's spear, Gungnir. In his animation update, Caster throws his staff above the enemies heads, and then it changes tragectory to attack them from behind.While this could easily be a reference to Gae Bolg's actual method of killing in the myth (it entered the victim through the ''asshole''), it could also be a reference to how Odin would throw Gungnir above the heads of his enemies to declare a war.
* There are overall several indications that Caster will play a significant role later in the story: he's featured in the trailer of Lostbelt 6 and received his animation update during the Lostbelt 6 livestream, and WordOfGod has implied several times that we will be returning to Singularity F at some point.
** Tying to the above, in one of My Room conversations, he say's he'll teach you how to use Runes later. Maybe it's not BlatantLies after all.
* Caster and Odin share several personality traits. Both of them are known as "the raging one", are strongly tied with the concept of war, magic, and wisdom, and both of them are TheGadfly - as Caster displays in Singularity F when he tries to get Mash to activate her Noble Phantasm. In addition, in various events Caster seems to have a gambling problem, which is also one of Odin's traits. Not to mention "summon me as a Lancer" works for Odin too.
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* ''Fanfic/SevenDaysSurvivor'' (''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', ''VideoGame/Persona3'', ''VideoGame/Persona4''''VideoGame/Persona4''
!!Let's put my WMG tinfoil hat on
[=CasCu=] may be Odin in disguise
* At absolutely no point does he ever give his name or makes any mention to it.
** Other Servants who initially don't give their names say that they'll give it to you later. Caster does not even bring up the subject.
** In the ''Garden of Sinners'' crossover event, he says "there's no Cu Chulainn here". It's treated as a gag, but...
** In the Singularity F Memorial Quest, he's the only Servant referred to by his ''Class'' name instead of his True name.
* He's not supposed to be the Caster of the Fuyuki Grail War in the first place. In the original reality, it's Medea, while in ''FGO'' reality it's Solomon. Material states that Singularity F is the result of data colliding, and Caster resulted from that.
* "Isn't bit boring to play a game that never ends? For better or for worse, it's like you can't move the pieces forward, yeah?" Is he talking about Singularity F?
* His Final Ascension art and animation update features two white wolves. Odin is stated to have two wolves named Geri and Freki.
* His second Noble Phantasm, which he mentions in one of his My Room lines, is called "Ochd Deug Odin - Seal of the Great God". It's an exceedingly powerful Rank A Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm with potentially {{Game Break|er}}ing effects, but what's interesting is its description: it activates by chanting its True Name and using all 18 primordial runes granted by Scathach at once (keep in mind she taught him the Norse ones) and it "temporarily unleashes the power of the rune possessed by the Great Odin". Aside from the weirdness of him even having that Noble Phantasm in the first place (he's not supposed to have Wickerman either, but at least we get an explanation for that), why can't he use it? (Potential GameBreaker status not withstanding).
* In the North America version of the game, his Bond Craft Essense is called "Yggdrasil Tree". That's taken from Myth/NorseMythology, so why would a ''Celt'' have it?
* For some reason, he's in the Nordic Fields during Boudica's [=3rd=] Strengthening Quest.
* During Valentine's Day in the return gift scene, he talks about the Human Order Incineration and the Human Order Reorganization - a.k.a. the Lostbelts. Somehow he knew about the Lostbelts before the game even got to that point.
* In the 2019 Valentine's event, he's seen reading the book "Scandinavia's Beautiful Mountains".
* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions.
** The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
** Scathach says that it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
!!Let's put my WMG tinfoil hat on
[=CasCu=] may be Odin in disguise
* At absolutely no point does he ever give his name or makes any mention to it.
** Other Servants who initially don't give their names say that they'll give it to you later. Caster does not even bring up the subject.
** In the ''Garden of Sinners'' crossover event, he says "there's no Cu Chulainn here". It's treated as a gag, but...
** In the Singularity F Memorial Quest, he's the only Servant referred to by his ''Class'' name instead of his True name.
* He's not supposed to be the Caster of the Fuyuki Grail War in the first place. In the original reality, it's Medea, while in ''FGO'' reality it's Solomon. Material states that Singularity F is the result of data colliding, and Caster resulted from that.
* "Isn't bit boring to play a game that never ends? For better or for worse, it's like you can't move the pieces forward, yeah?" Is he talking about Singularity F?
* His Final Ascension art and animation update features two white wolves. Odin is stated to have two wolves named Geri and Freki.
* His second Noble Phantasm, which he mentions in one of his My Room lines, is called "Ochd Deug Odin - Seal of the Great God". It's an exceedingly powerful Rank A Anti-Fortress Noble Phantasm with potentially {{Game Break|er}}ing effects, but what's interesting is its description: it activates by chanting its True Name and using all 18 primordial runes granted by Scathach at once (keep in mind she taught him the Norse ones) and it "temporarily unleashes the power of the rune possessed by the Great Odin". Aside from the weirdness of him even having that Noble Phantasm in the first place (he's not supposed to have Wickerman either, but at least we get an explanation for that), why can't he use it? (Potential GameBreaker status not withstanding).
* In the North America version of the game, his Bond Craft Essense is called "Yggdrasil Tree". That's taken from Myth/NorseMythology, so why would a ''Celt'' have it?
* For some reason, he's in the Nordic Fields during Boudica's [=3rd=] Strengthening Quest.
* During Valentine's Day in the return gift scene, he talks about the Human Order Incineration and the Human Order Reorganization - a.k.a. the Lostbelts. Somehow he knew about the Lostbelts before the game even got to that point.
* In the 2019 Valentine's event, he's seen reading the book "Scandinavia's Beautiful Mountains".
* In the FGO mats, Sigurd takes special notice of him and then has a DoubleTake. The fact that Sigurd noticed Caster is odd, but it should also be noted that Sigurd encountered Odin a number of times in his legend, thus making him one of the most likely people to recognize him.
* Scathach's Interlude bring up a LOT of questions.
** The regular Lancer Cu Chulainn says that his power is reduced because half his Saint Graph is missing. Mash suggests that the reduction in power may be because he was separated in numerous classes, but Lancer Cu had no idea there was a Caster version of him. In addition, there are several Servants summonable in numerous classes, and none of them has this problem. There's a possibility that the other half of the Saint Graph went to Caster, and he's using an external source to stabilize it.
** Scathach says that it's impossible for any version of Cu Chulainn to be summoned without Gae Bolg or the skill "Martial Arts Disciplining in the Shadow Country". Yet Caster has neither, thus making him an impossible summoning.
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* ''Fanfic/NotTheIntendedUseZatentsukenReverse'' ''Fanfic/NotTheIntendedUseZantetsukenReverse'' (''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'', ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow'')
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*** This is the only route where you can fight [[spoiler: Sans]]. He serves as the FinalBoss. [[spoiler:Asgore and Flowey]] are dealt with in cutscenes instead.
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*** This is the only route where you can fight [[spoiler: Sans]]. He serves as the FinalBoss. [[spoiler:Asgore and Flowey]] are dealt with in cutscenes instead.instead.
!!SMT Fanworks list
* ''Fanfic/NotTheIntendedUseZatentsukenReverse'' (''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'', ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow'')
* ''Fanfic/SevenDaysSurvivor'' (''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', ''VideoGame/Persona3'', ''VideoGame/Persona4''
!!SMT Fanworks list
* ''Fanfic/NotTheIntendedUseZatentsukenReverse'' (''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'', ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaChroniclesOfSorrow'')
* ''Fanfic/SevenDaysSurvivor'' (''VideoGame/DevilSurvivor'', ''VideoGame/Persona3'', ''VideoGame/Persona4''
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Re: editing a redirect. What you do is you click the edit button on a different wiki page, then you manually edit the URL to change the bit after "title=" to LanceOfLonginus (or whatever page you want to edit) and hit "enter". (You may need to change the bit after "groupname=" as well, if the page you want to edit is in a different namespace than you're currently in.) That'll take you straight to the editing form for that page, and allow you to make it stop redirecting or change where it redirects to.
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!!Reminders
* What the hell tropes apply to this image here: [[spoiler:[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/98_cu_chulainn_alter_berserker_1.png]]]]
* What the hell tropes apply to this image here: [[spoiler:[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/98_cu_chulainn_alter_berserker_1.png]]]]
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* What the hell tropes apply to this image here: [[spoiler:[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/98_cu_chulainn_alter_berserker_1.png]]]]
* What the hell tropes apply to this image here: [[spoiler:[[quoteright:350:https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/98_cu_chulainn_alter_berserker_1.png]]]]
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* Fill Spacebattles works index (will this need a page eventually?)
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!!Reminders to self
* Replace all wrongful ILoveNuclearPower entries in the ''Persona'' franchise with AtomicSuperpower.
* Replace all wrongful ILoveNuclearPower entries in the ''Persona'' franchise with AtomicSuperpower.
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** ''VideoGame/Persona1'': In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
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** ''VideoGame/Persona1'': ''VideoGame/Persona1'':
*** After the first dungeon, the game offers you the option to either go through the SEBEC route, or the Snow Queen Quest. The two routes have absolutely nothing in common, so you fight completely different bosses in each.
*** In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
*** After the first dungeon, the game offers you the option to either go through the SEBEC route, or the Snow Queen Quest. The two routes have absolutely nothing in common, so you fight completely different bosses in each.
*** In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
** If you ''do'' go through [[spoiler:the True Lab]], the fights against [[spoiler:Asgore and Omega Flowey]] are skipped and instead you fight [[spoiler:the God of Hyperdeath]]. This is also the route that unlocks the GoldenEnding.
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*** Mettaton [[spoiler:ditches the show-ratings thing and the EX form, and instead shows up in the NEO form. He goes down in one hit, which is far different from his ThatOneBoss EX fight.]]
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** In any Neutral route (any playthrough where you don't go to [[spoiler:the True Lab]]), the last two bosses are [[spoiler:Asgore]], followed by [[spoer:Omega Flowey]]. It should be noted that you cannot fight the second one indefinitely; if you beat him in two playthroughs, he won't fight you again because he knows he'll lose, thus locking you out of the fight.
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** In any Neutral route (any playthrough where you don't go to [[spoiler:the True Lab]]), the last two bosses are [[spoiler:Asgore]], followed by [[spoer:Omega [[spoiler:Omega Flowey]]. It should be noted that you cannot fight the second one indefinitely; if you beat him in two playthroughs, he won't fight you again because he knows he'll lose, thus locking you out of the fight.
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*** [[spoiler:Undyne is killed in one hit and [[CameBackStrong turns into Undyne the Undying, who is much, ''much'' more difficult.]]
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*** Also only in Redux, [[spoiler:Alex]] is introduced as a RecurringBoss, but the final fight against her greatly changes depending on the route. If you do not go for the new endings, you have to fight her one extra time - either before [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]] in Chaos, or after [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]] in Law and Neutral. Also, depending on how far you progressed in the Womb of Grief, she may summon [[spoiler:Amon and Shaytan]] [[WolfpackBoss to help her out]]. On the other hand, if you ''do'' go for her games, you avoid that last battle but have to fight her several more times throughout the game in exchange.
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*** Also only in Redux, [[spoiler:Alex]] is introduced as a RecurringBoss, but the final fight against her greatly changes depending on the route. If you do not go for the new endings, you have to fight her one extra time - either before [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]] in Chaos, or after [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]] in Law and Neutral. Also, depending on how far you progressed in the Womb of Grief, she may summon [[spoiler:Amon and Shaytan]] [[WolfpackBoss to help her out]]. On the other hand, if you ''do'' go for her games, you avoid that last battle but have to fight her several more times throughout the game in exchange.exchange.
* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Depending on which ending you're going for, several boss fights play out quite differently.
** In any Neutral route (any playthrough where you don't go to [[spoiler:the True Lab]]), the last two bosses are [[spoiler:Asgore]], followed by [[spoer:Omega Flowey]]. It should be noted that you cannot fight the second one indefinitely; if you beat him in two playthroughs, he won't fight you again because he knows he'll lose, thus locking you out of the fight.
** If you're going for endings such as [[spoiler:Annoying Dog as king]] or [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy run]], you cannot [[SkippableBoss skip Muffet]].
** The [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy]] route has by far the biggest changes, even if most of the individuals that fight you are the same.
*** [[spoiler:Papyrus]] ''doesn't'' fight you, he just stands there.
*** MiniBoss Mad Dummy turns into Glad Dummy and also refuses to fight you.
*** [[spoiler:Undyne is killed in one hit and [[CameBackStrong turns into Undyne the Undying, who is much, ''much'' more difficult.]]
*** Mettaton [[spoiler:ditches the show-ratings thing and the EX form, and instead shows up in the NEO form. He goes down in one hit, which is far different from his EX fight.]]
*** This is the only route where you can fight [[spoiler: Sans]]. He serves as the FinalBoss. [[spoiler:Asgore and Flowey]] are dealt with in cutscenes instead.
* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Depending on which ending you're going for, several boss fights play out quite differently.
** In any Neutral route (any playthrough where you don't go to [[spoiler:the True Lab]]), the last two bosses are [[spoiler:Asgore]], followed by [[spoer:Omega Flowey]]. It should be noted that you cannot fight the second one indefinitely; if you beat him in two playthroughs, he won't fight you again because he knows he'll lose, thus locking you out of the fight.
** If you're going for endings such as [[spoiler:Annoying Dog as king]] or [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy run]], you cannot [[SkippableBoss skip Muffet]].
** The [[spoiler:Genocide / No-Mercy]] route has by far the biggest changes, even if most of the individuals that fight you are the same.
*** [[spoiler:Papyrus]] ''doesn't'' fight you, he just stands there.
*** MiniBoss Mad Dummy turns into Glad Dummy and also refuses to fight you.
*** [[spoiler:Undyne is killed in one hit and [[CameBackStrong turns into Undyne the Undying, who is much, ''much'' more difficult.]]
*** Mettaton [[spoiler:ditches the show-ratings thing and the EX form, and instead shows up in the NEO form. He goes down in one hit, which is far different from his EX fight.]]
*** This is the only route where you can fight [[spoiler: Sans]]. He serves as the FinalBoss. [[spoiler:Asgore and Flowey]] are dealt with in cutscenes instead.
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*** In the Chaos Route, you can fight against [[spoiler:Ryan]] half way through the game, and later on fight against [[spoiler: Ubergestalt Gore]]. The FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]].
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*** In the Chaos Route, you can fight against [[spoiler:Ryan]] half way through the game, [[spoiler:Ryan, Mastema, and later on fight against [[spoiler: Ubergestalt Gore]]. The FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]].
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*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] adds extensions and new bosses to the already existing ones. First of all, to even unlock the new endings you need to complete the Womb of Grief, including its several bosses. What happens during each route depends on your choices. If you unlock the new endings but choose not to go with any of them,
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*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] adds extensions and new bosses to the already existing ones. First of all, to To even unlock the new endings you need to complete the Womb of Grief, including its several bosses. What happens during each route depends bosses.
*** Also only in Redux, [[spoiler:Alex]] is introduced as a RecurringBoss, but the final fight against her greatly changes depending onyour choices. the route. If you unlock do not go for the new endings endings, you have to fight her one extra time - either before [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]] in Chaos, or after [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]] in Law and Neutral. Also, depending on how far you progressed in the Womb of Grief, she may summon [[spoiler:Amon and Shaytan]] [[WolfpackBoss to help her out]]. On the other hand, if you ''do'' go for her games, you avoid that last battle but choose not have to go with any of them,fight her several more times throughout the game in exchange.
*** Also only in Redux, [[spoiler:Alex]] is introduced as a RecurringBoss, but the final fight against her greatly changes depending on
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*** Law is represented by [[spoiler:Zelenin]], Chaos by [[spoiler:Jimenez]], and Neutral by [[spoiler:Commander Gore]]. You can only side with one, and fight the other two as bosses.
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] makes the situation a bit more complex. In order to achieve the new Law, Chaos or Neutral endings, you must complete the otherwise optional Womb of Grief and fight all its bosses. In the New Law route, you end up fighting [[spoiler:Mastema]], which is otherwise impossible, and
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] makes the situation a bit more complex. In order to achieve the new Law, Chaos or Neutral endings, you must complete the otherwise optional Womb of Grief and fight all its bosses. In the New Law route, you end up fighting [[spoiler:Mastema]], which is otherwise impossible, and
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*** In the Law Route, you fight against [[spoiler:Soil Jimenez, and Ubergestalt Gore]], and the FinalBoss is represented by [[spoiler:Zelenin]], [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]].
*** In the Chaosby [[spoiler:Jimenez]], Route, you can fight against [[spoiler:Ryan]] half way through the game, and later on fight against [[spoiler: Ubergestalt Gore]]. The FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Pillar Zelenin]].
*** In the Neutralby [[spoiler:Commander Gore]]. You can only side with one, and route, you fight against [[spoiler:Soil Jimenez and Pillar Zelenin]], and the other two as bosses.
FinalBoss is [[spoiler:Mem Aleph]].
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]]makes adds extensions and new bosses to the situation a bit more complex. In order already existing ones. First of all, to achieve even unlock the new Law, Chaos or Neutral endings, endings you must need to complete the otherwise optional Womb of Grief and fight all Grief, including its several bosses. In What happens during each route depends on your choices. If you unlock the New Law route, you end up fighting [[spoiler:Mastema]], which is otherwise impossible, andnew endings but choose not to go with any of them,
*** In the Chaos
*** In the Neutral
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]]
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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, or both.
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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'':
*** In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, orboth.both.
*** BonusBoss Beelzebub cannot be fought in the Chaos route because he joins you.
*** In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, or
*** BonusBoss Beelzebub cannot be fought in the Chaos route because he joins you.
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** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'':''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'':
*** Law is represented by [[spoiler:Zelenin]], Chaos by [[spoiler:Jimenez]], and Neutral by [[spoiler:Commander Gore]]. You can only side with one, and fight the other two as bosses.
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] makes the situation a bit more complex. In order to achieve the new Law, Chaos or Neutral endings, you must complete the otherwise optional Womb of Grief and fight all its bosses. In the New Law route, you end up fighting [[spoiler:Mastema]], which is otherwise impossible, and
*** Law is represented by [[spoiler:Zelenin]], Chaos by [[spoiler:Jimenez]], and Neutral by [[spoiler:Commander Gore]]. You can only side with one, and fight the other two as bosses.
*** [[UpdatedRerelease Redux]] makes the situation a bit more complex. In order to achieve the new Law, Chaos or Neutral endings, you must complete the otherwise optional Womb of Grief and fight all its bosses. In the New Law route, you end up fighting [[spoiler:Mastema]], which is otherwise impossible, and
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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': Since all the games have StoryBranching and MultipleEndings, the bosses you have to fight in them differ every time.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like.
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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': Since Long story short: If you're Law-aligned, you kill all the games have StoryBranching and MultipleEndings, Chaotic leaders. If you're Chaos-aligned, you kill all the bosses lawful leaders. If you're Neutral, you have to fight in them differ every time.
kill ''everyone''.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, or both.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'': The FinalBoss is the same in all three routes, but the bosses you fight before that are different.
*** In the Law Route, you fight [[spoiler:Lucifer]].
*** In the Chaos Route, you have to fight your way through a BossBonanza that consists of [[spoiler:Sabaoth, Saddai and Elohim]], before fighting [[spoiler:Satan]].
*** In the Neutral route, you have to fight ''all of the above'', plus [[spoiler:Kuzuryuu]].
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne'': Since this game does not follow the typical Law-Chaos-Neutral alignment system, the potential routes and bosses that come with them become... ''complicated''.
*** If you choose to side with a Reason, you have to fight the summoned deities of all the other Reasons.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'':
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like. Earlier on, with the same criteria you either fight the Chaos Hero, the Law Hero, or both.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII'': The FinalBoss is the same in all three routes, but the bosses you fight before that are different.
*** In the Law Route, you fight [[spoiler:Lucifer]].
*** In the Chaos Route, you have to fight your way through a BossBonanza that consists of [[spoiler:Sabaoth, Saddai and Elohim]], before fighting [[spoiler:Satan]].
*** In the Neutral route, you have to fight ''all of the above'', plus [[spoiler:Kuzuryuu]].
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiNocturne'': Since this game does not follow the typical Law-Chaos-Neutral alignment system, the potential routes and bosses that come with them become... ''complicated''.
*** If you choose to side with a Reason, you have to fight the summoned deities of all the other Reasons.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney'':
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!!RouteBoss stuff
* ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'':
** ''VideoGame/Persona1'': In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
** ''VideoGame/Persona2'':
*** In ''Innocent Sin'', right before Caracol you can either leave Yukino behind or force her to come with you. If you take her with you, when you reach the observation bridge you have to fight three Longinus Spear mechs. However, if you leave her behind, you find [[spoiler:Shadow Yukino and Lady Scorpio]] fighting them, and you have to fight ''them'' once they're done.
*** In ''Eternal Punishment'', one third through the game you are asked to spread a rumour that the person investigating the NewWorldOrder is either a man or a woman. Spreading the rumour it's a woman results in Eriko's route, which takes you through the Sumaru TV station, and results in boss fights against her Stalker ([[spoiler:actually a Shikigami]]), Wang Long Chizuru's puppet, and in the Underwater Ruins, Wang Long Chizuru herself. However, if you spread the rumour it's a man, you go to Nanjo's route, and the game takes you through the sewers and the secret laboratory, where you fight several Red Berret Mini-bosses, and [[spoiler:Demonized Sugimoto]]. The Underwater Ruins boss is also replaced with [[spoiler:Takahisa Kandori and four X-2 mechs]].
* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': Since all the games have StoryBranching and MultipleEndings, the bosses you have to fight in them differ every time.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like.
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!!RouteBoss stuff
* ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'':
** ''VideoGame/Persona1'': In the SEBEC route, if you answer critical questions at specific points in the game incorrectly, you'll be forced to fight Hariti and the Teddy Bear. Having to fight these bosses is a surefire indicator that you're locked to the bad ending.
** ''VideoGame/Persona2'':
*** In ''Innocent Sin'', right before Caracol you can either leave Yukino behind or force her to come with you. If you take her with you, when you reach the observation bridge you have to fight three Longinus Spear mechs. However, if you leave her behind, you find [[spoiler:Shadow Yukino and Lady Scorpio]] fighting them, and you have to fight ''them'' once they're done.
*** In ''Eternal Punishment'', one third through the game you are asked to spread a rumour that the person investigating the NewWorldOrder is either a man or a woman. Spreading the rumour it's a woman results in Eriko's route, which takes you through the Sumaru TV station, and results in boss fights against her Stalker ([[spoiler:actually a Shikigami]]), Wang Long Chizuru's puppet, and in the Underwater Ruins, Wang Long Chizuru herself. However, if you spread the rumour it's a man, you go to Nanjo's route, and the game takes you through the sewers and the secret laboratory, where you fight several Red Berret Mini-bosses, and [[spoiler:Demonized Sugimoto]]. The Underwater Ruins boss is also replaced with [[spoiler:Takahisa Kandori and four X-2 mechs]].
* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': Since all the games have StoryBranching and MultipleEndings, the bosses you have to fight in them differ every time.
** ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI'': In the Law Route, the FinalBoss is Asura, while in the Chaos Route the FinalBoss is ArchangelMichael. If you're going through the Neutral route, you have to fight ''both'' of them in any order you like.
