History Recap / DeathBattleS05E10CarnageVsLucy

When it comes to crazy, there's really no limit to how far you can go.

Like ComicBook/{{Carnage}}, the dangerously demented psychopath of Creator/MarvelComics. And Lucy, the messed-up murder lady from ''Manga/ElfenLied''.

On the other side of the world, through Manga and Anime, comes another psychopath with horrifying superpowers. Be warned, what follows is pretty disturbing. Kaede, better known as Lucy, is the queen of the Dicolnii and may in fact be the most dangerous of her kind. Orphaned due to her unique features, the horns shaped like cat ears, Kaede was left at an orphanage with the children picking on her ruthlessly. She eventually found a stray puppy and became friends with it, only for the other children to learn and force her to watch as they beat it to death. Horrified and in rage, her powers were awakened and used to murder the kids. This would be the start of Lucy's path of bloodshed.

However, as a Diclonius, Lucy has two key weaknesses. A blow to the forehead or losing her horn will nullify her vectors. Also, if she pushes herself too hard, she starts to melt. Despite this, Lucy pulled through and found redemption by saving the life of the man she loved. [[MoodWhiplash That being said, Elfen Lied is most memorable for its extreme amounts of gore]].

-->'''Boomstick''': She dealt the ''carnage'' needed for a total ''vector''-y, and took the ''lied''. [[ItMakesSenseInContext There! I said it right, Wiz. Happy?!]]
-->'''Wiz''': The winner is Lucy.

-->'''Boomstick''': ''[shocked by Lucy's first kills]'' Oh. ''Damn.''

* RunningGag: Boomstick pronouncing "Lied" as it's spelled rather than the German pronunciation of "lead", as in "leader", and Wiz correcting him with the insistence that "it's German". He gets it right for his end-of-episode one-liner, though.

Our hosts start with the more deranged of the two. Cletus Kasady didn't exactly have a normal childhood. His mother tried to kill Cletus for killing her dog, his father killed his mother for it and was sent to prison, and Cletus killed his grandmother. After burning down his orphanage and being caught for 11 known murders, Kasady was sent to prison, where his cellmate was Eddie Brock, also known as the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' hating symbiote host ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}''. Eddie's symbiote would begin reproducing asexually, creating a new symbiote that bonded with Cletus through a cut on his skin, merging with his blood. Thanks to his symbiote, Cletus Kasady would become the dangerous monster known as Carnage.

* OutsideContextProblem: One of Carnage's few advantages in this Death Battle. Lucy's enemies in her series were Chief Kakuzawa's soldiers and other Diclonius, who she'd usually casually tear apart within minutes. Carnage is something she's never had to consider facing prior, a complete {{Berserker}} who can put himself back together no matter how many times he's sliced apart, while also having [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere no affiliation or awareness of the Diclonius]] in addition to not being sicced on her by the [[NotMeThisTime Diclonius Institute]].

* OneHitKill: Lucy only needed one high-frequency Vector attack to kill Carnage, leaving him with nothing to regenerate from.
** This is actually noted in one of the post-match info-squares. ''Both'' Carnage and Lucy could and really only needed to land only a single fatal blow on their opponent to end the fight, it's just that Lucy had far more offensive and defensive options to do so before Carnage did.

* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome:
** With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives ''lots'' of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her.
** If one of the opponent's [[NukeEm strongest attacks]] capitalizes on [[WeakToFire crippling weaknesses]] ''and'' they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.

->'''[[WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan Carnage]]''': Carnage... is... CHAOS!!!

Which blood-drawing psycho killer of the two will come out alive with the other inevitably going out a mess of blood and guts? Will the crimson symbiote-donning enemy of Spider-Man claim another victim or will the Queen Diclonius manage to tear Cletus to shreds? Only one killer will survive in a [[TitleDrop death battle]].

Our hosts start with the more deranged of the two. Cletus Kasady didn't exactly have a normal childhood. His mother tried to kill Cletus for killing her dog, his father killed his mother for it and sent to prison, and Cletus killed his grandmother. After burning down his orphanage and being caught for 11 known murders, Kasady was sent to prison, where his cellmate was Eddie Brock, also known as the ''Franchise/SpiderMan'' hating symbiote host ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}''. Eddie's symbiote would begin reproducing asexually, creating a new symbiote that bonded with Cletus through a cut on his skin, merging with his blood. Thanks to his symbiote, Cletus Kasady would become the dangerous monster known as Carnage.

As the spawn of Venom, Carnage has most of Venom's abilities, such as super strength. However, Carnage is actually stronger than his "father" and comes with his own unique powers, like shapeshifting. He's able to create axes and projectiles with his own bloody suit. He can also create tendrils he can use to attack or directly infect his victims to control or torment them. He's also capable of regenerations and even if the symbiote were somehow destroyed on the outside, it will be reformed from his bloody even through the tiniest cut. The symbiote also has an enhanced sense of awareness, allowing him to sense his victims, and even if you can get away, he's learned how to fly by forming wings. Given that [[Recap/DeathBattleS04E03VenomVsBane Venom has shown to be fast enough to catch bullets after fired]], and Carnage is said to be as fast if not faster, this means he's likely able to react faster than twice the speed of sound. Furthermore, Venom is specifically stronger than Spider-Man, whose best known strength feat was lifting equipment on par with a locomotive (which, given the time period, would have been 130 tons) and Carnage has outmuscled both of them together. And once, when he was looking for a journalist, he used his tendrils to locate her and transport through said tendrils 2 miles away. She shot him, but thanks this healing factor and his durability, he was more than able to survive a stronger blast at 125 tons of TNT. He's also survived a gene bomb explosion and being ripped in half in space.

Granted, Carnage is not invincible, just hard to put down. Like all symbiotes, he's weak to extreme heat. He used to be weak to loud noises, but used magic get rid of it. However, in spite of this, Carnage doesn't let this stop from doing what he loves... murder.

On the other side of the world, through Manga and Anime, comes another psychopath with horrifying superpowers. Be warned, what follows is pretty disturbing. Kaede, better known as Lucy, is the queen of the Dicolnii and may in fact be the most dangerous of her kind. Orphaned due to her unique features, the horns shaped like cat ears, Kaede was left at orphanage with the children picking on her ruthlessly. She eventually found a stray puppy and became friends with it, only for the other children to learn and force her to watch as they beat it to death. Horrified and in rage, her powers were awakened, and used to murder the kids. This would be the start of Lucy's path of bloodshed.

As a Diclonius, Lucy has vectors, which can best be described as 7 feet invisible psychic arms from her back. As a queen, she has 28 of them and is meant to use them to infect human males so that they will breed more Diclonii. However, due to her unhappy childhood, Lucy uses them for something else. By vibrating at different frequencies, the vectors have different uses. At their lowest frequency, they pass through objects with no effect. At medium, they become solid and act as shields and can lift heavy objects, even lifting herself by pressing the vectors into the ground. At their third frequency, they act as blades, cutting through metal and even humans. At their highest frequency, the vectors become visible and can greater damage. These vectors are fast enough to catch a bullet, even bullets that are shot at 900 mph, which would give her vector almost 1,900 mph in reaction time. These vectors are strong enough to throw a pen through a man's skull, lift a boulder that likely weighs almost 75 tons, and shielded a SLAM missile. It should be noted than Lucy isn't always in control of her actions, due to her damaged sanity. A gunshot to the head has created a split personality called "Nyu", who is childlike and innocent, contrasting the apathetic and brutal person Lucy normally is. Along with this is a third voice, her "DNA voice" that constantly urges her to kill and infect humans. It's only through Nyu does Lucy gain any friends and a shot at redemption. However, this didn't stop her from getting involved in battles that resulted in her going at full power. At her full strength her vectors are longer and capable of explosions on par with nuclear fusion.

However, as a Diclonius, Lucy has two key weakness. A blow to the forehead or losing her horn will nullify her vectors. Also, if she pushes herself too hard, she starts to melt. In spite of this, Lucy pulled through and found redemption through saving the life of the man she loved. [[MoodWhiplash That being said, Elfen Lied is most memorable for its extreme amounts of gore]].

At a train station one stormy night, Nyu waits patiently for her train, only for her notice when it arrives that something is wrong. There is screaming, laughter and blood splatters on the window--and more blood is painting the windows as she watches. The doors open, revealing Carnage standing in puddles of gore. Looking up to see the supposedly harmless Nyu, Carnage lunges for his new victim. This causes the terrified Nyu persona to retreat as Lucy takes her place...

With her vectors, Lucy catches the attacking Carnage in mid-air, who is confused as to why he's suddenly stopped. Telling him to die, Lucy tears the monster apart. Normally, this would be it, but Carnage laughs this off and reforms, much to Lucy's confusion. Carnage tries to cut her in half, but Lucy counters by shielding with her vectors. Although Carnage cannot lay a scratch on her, Lucy finds herself unable to put her opponent down thanks to his regeneration ability. Through some quick thinking and dirty fighting, Carnage is able to use projectiles to scratch Lucy and begin to wear her down. Starting to lose patience, Lucy counters and smashes Carnage into a pillar, chop him up again and throw him into the train. Carnage doesn't die, instead he starts singing about killing her. He then becomes a large mass of tendrils with hands out to get a hold of her. Lucy does her best to block, but when she lifts herself into the air, Carnage starts forming around her vectors, vowing to murder his opponent. Lucy responds by vibrating her vectors to shake him off and then vows to put him out of his misery after slamming him into the ground. At full power, Lucy's vectors come towards Carnage, who can only tell Lucy that he hates her before he is caught in a massive explosion. Though the train station is destroyed, Lucy survives, having defeated her monstrous opponent.

While Carnage's healing powers and durability gave him the edge to survive long, that was his only real advantage. While Carnage can pass speeds of mach 2, Lucy's vectors at full power can reach 240 miles in less than 2 seconds, putting her 250 times faster than her opponent with a range 120 times as far. With her speed and his healing, the fight depended on who could land the killing blow first. The only way to defeat Carnage was to completely destroy him, and Lucy had what it takes to win. Carnage's main Achilles heel in this fight was his heat tolerance. At full power, Lucy once caused an explosion that destroyed an island and created an earthquake and 100 ft tidal wave. An explosion of that magnitude would require 31,000 tons of TNT, on par with nuclear fusion, which Lucy's power has been compared to. The heat from such an explosion can reach 180,000 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 18 times hotter than the surface of the sun and far more hot and powerful than anything Carnage has ever dealt with. The only way Carnage could have won is if he powered through the vectors, which would have been difficult due to their speed and he had no way to see them. Ultimately, Carnage's durability wasn't enough to deal with Lucy's greater speed and overwhelming power.

* CombatTentacles: Both combatants have a capability of using them -- Carnage's symbiote can shape its attacks into tentacles, while Lucy has her multiple vectors.

* IronicNurseryTune: After being thrown into the train, Carnage starts singing in an effort to mess with Lucy's head.

* {{Irony}}: Both Carnage and Lucy are known for killing their victims with quite brutal and bloody methods. However, Carnage's death is an GoryDiscretionShot and there's no blood shown when he's vaporized.
* KillItWithFire: One of the Carnage symbiote's very few and [[WeakToFire more readily-available weaknesses]], especially after it traded the weakness to sonics for a far-less-common weakness to eldritch magic. Lucy manages to exploit it and take the win.

* ALighterShadeOfBlack: Lucy has a mountain of dead bodies in her name, but she has a [[TragicVillain tragic backstory]] and [[FriendToAllLivingThings a love for animals]] that keeps her sympathetic, plus she would develop regret for the murders she's committed and found redemption saving the man she loved at the cost of her own life. Her opponent, Cletus Kasady, was a demented serial killer even before becoming Carnage, and made himself known as one of the Marvel Universe's most feared villains who takes deep joy out of senseless killing of anyone regardless of age or even species, and is ultimately incapable of feeling genuine love, much less regret or even a desire for redemption.

* SuperStrength: Carnage is naturally superior to the likes of Spiderman and Venom, and his opponent can effortlessly lift 70 ton boulders and throw them great distances. When Lucy's Vectors are maxed out though, she far outclasses Carnage in this category.

** If one of the opponent's [[NukeEm strongest attacks]] capitalizes on [[WeakToFire a crippling weaknesses]] ''and'' they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.

* RealityEnsues:
** With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives ''lots'' of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her.
** If one of the opponent's [[NukeEm strongest attacks]] capitalizes on [[WeakToFire a crippling weaknesses]] ''and'' they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.

->''[[Anime/ElfenLied (Cue extended montage of numerous deaths in multiple locations at Lucy's vectors)]]''

* CurbStompBattle: In the end, Lucy dominates Carnage in almost every way, and his one advantage (durability) is negated by her raw offensive power. This is even reflected in the fight animation itself -- while most other curbstomp death battles gave the outclassed loser a CurbStompCushion, there is none for Carnage here as Lucy is clearly in control of the entire fight.

* SuperSpeed: While Carnage is more mobile than Lucy, her Vector's can move over '''250''' times faster than anything he can react to. Combined with her reflexes, he was hard-pressed to land ''any'' solid hits.

While Carnage's healing powers and durability gave him the edge to survive long, that was his only real advantage. While Carnage can pass speeds of mach 2, Lucy's vectors at full power can reach 240 miles in less than 2 seconds, putting her 250 times faster than her opponent with a range 120 times as far. With her speed and his healing, the fight depended on who could land the killing blow first. The only way to defeat Carnage was to completely destroy him, and Lucy had what it takes to win. Carnage's main Achilles heel in this fight was his low heat tolerance. At full power, Lucy once caused an explosion that destroyed an island and created an earthquake and 100 ft tidal wave. An explosion of that magnitude would require 31,000 tons of TNT, on par with nuclear fusion, which Lucy's power has been compared to. The heat from such an explosion can reach 180,000 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 18 times hotter than the surface of the sun and far more hot and powerful than anything Carnage has ever dealt with. The only way Carnage could have won is if he powered through the vectors, which would have been difficult due to their speed and he had no way to see them. Ultimately, Carnage's durability wasn't enough to deal with Lucy's greater speed and overwhelming power.

While Carnage's healing powers and durability gave him the edge to survive long, that was his own real advantage. Carnage can pass speeds of mach 2, Lucy's vectors at full power reach 240 miles in less than 2 seconds, putting her at 250 times faster than her opponent with a range 120 times as far. With her speed and his healing, the fight depended on who could land the killing blow first. The only way to defeat Carnage was to completely destroy him, and Lucy had what it takes to win. At full power, Lucy once caused an explosion that destroyed an island and created an earthquake and 100 ft tidal wave. An explosion of that magnitude would require 31,000 tons of TNT, on par with nuclear fusion, which Lucy's power has been compared to. The heat from such an explosion reaches to to 180,000 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 18 times hotter than the surface of the sun and far more hot and powerful than anything Carnage has ever dealt with. And heat was Carnage's key weakness. The only way Carnage could have won is if he powered through the vectors, which would have been difficult due to their speed and he had no way to see them. Ultimately, Carnage's durability wasn't enough to deal with Lucy's greater speed and overwhelming power.

* SingleStrokeBattle: Subverted. Lucy's ''first move of the fight'' involves tearing Cletus in half, ripping him limb from limb, and then dropping the pieces to the pavement. If Nyu had been fighting almost '''anyone''' else in Death Battle history, her first move of the fight would have resulted in this trope. Unfortunately for her, Carnage [[HealingFactor can]] [[GoodThingYouCanHeal survive]] [[PullingThemselvesTogether that]].

** If one the opponent's [[NukeEm strongest attacks]] capitalizes on [[WeakToFire a crippling weaknesses]] ''and'' they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.

->''[[Anime/ElfenLied (extended montage of numerous deaths in multiple locations at Lucy's vectors)]]''

At a train station at night during the rain, Nyu waits patiently for her train, only for her notice when it arrives that something is wrong. There is screaming, laughter and blood splatters on the window. The doors open, and Carnage stands with puddles of blood surrounding him. He looks to see the supposedly harmless Nyu and Carnage leaps to a new victim. This causes the terrified Nyu persona to retreat as Lucy takes her place...

With her vectors, Lucy catches the attacking Carnage in mid-air, who is confused as to why he's suddenly in the air. Telling him to die, Lucy tears the monster apart. Normally, this would be it, but Carnage laughs this off and reforms, much to Lucy's confusion. Carnage tries to cut her in half, but Lucy counters by shielding with her vectors. Although Carnage cannot lay a scratch on her, Lucy finds herself unable to put her opponent down thanks to his regeneration ability. Through some quick thinking and dirty fighting, Carnage is able to use projectiles to scratch Lucy and begin to wear her down. Starting to lose patience, Lucy counters and smashes Carnage into a pillar, chop him up again and throw him into the train. Carnage doesn't die, instead he starts singing about killing her. He then becomes a large mass of tendrils with hands out to get a hold of her. Lucy does her best to block, but when she lifts herself into the air, Carnage starts forming around her vectors, vowing to murder his opponent. Lucy responds by vibrating her vectors to shake him off and then vows to put him out of his misery after slamming him into the ground. At full power, Lucy's vectors come towards Carnage, who can only tell Lucy that he hates her before he is caught in a massive explosion. Though the train station is destroyed, Lucy survives, having defeated her monstrous opponent.

** If one the opponent's [[NukeEm strongest attack]] capitalizes on [[WeakToFire a crippling weaknesses]] ''and'' they can hit reliably with it, the one with said weakness is not going to last.

* RealityEnsues: With no proper method of seeing Lucy's invisible vectors (before she shifts them to higher frequency), Carnage is unable to see where the attacks are coming from and receives ''lots'' of damage while having a tough time trying to hit Lucy. This is shown pretty well when he angrily complains about why he can't hit her.

At a train station at night during the rain, Nyu waits patiently for her train, only for her notice when it arrives that something is wrong. There is screaming, laughter and blood splatters on the window. The doors open, and Carnage stands with puddles of blood surrounding him. He looks to see the supposedly harmless Nyu and Carnage leaps to a new victim. This causes the terrified Nyu to become Lucy...

With her vectors, Lucy catches Carnage, who is confused as to why he's suddenly in the air. Telling him to die, Lucy tears the monster apart. Normally, this would be it, but Carnage laughs this off and reforms, much to Lucy's confusion. Carnage tries to cut her in half, but Lucy counters by shielding with her vectors. Although Carnage cannot lay a scratch on her, Lucy finds herself unable to put her opponent down thanks to his regeneration ability. Through some quick thinking and dirty fighting, Carnage is able to use projectiles to scratch Lucy and begin to wear her down. Starting to lose patience, Lucy counters and smashes Carnage into a pillar, chop him up again and throw him into the train. Carnage doesn't die, instead he starts singing about killing her. He then becomes a large mass of tendrils with hands out to get a hold of her. Lucy does her best to block, but when she lifts herself into the air, Carnage starts forming around her vectors, vowing to murder his opponent. Lucy responds by vibrating her vectors to shake him off and then vows to put him out of his misery after slamming him into the ground. At full power, Lucy's vectors come towards Carnage, who can only tell Lucy that he hates her before he is caught in a massive explosion. Though the train station is destroyed, Lucy survives, having defeated her monstrous opponent.

-->'''Boomstick''': ''[shocked by Lucy's first kills]'' Oh. Shit.
* ALighterShadeOfBlack: Lucy has a mountain of dead bodies in her name, but she has a [[TragicVillain tragic backstory]] and [[FriendToAllLivingThings a love for animals]] that keeps her sympathetic, plus she would develop regret for the murders she's committed and found redemption saving the man she loved at the cost of her own life. Her opponent, Cletus Kasady, was a demented serial killer even before becoming Carnage, and made himself known as one of the Marvel Universe's most feared villains who takes deep joy out of senseless killing of anyone regardless of age or even species, and is ultimately incapable of feeling genuine love, much less regret or a desire for redemption.

* NoBodyLeftBehind: One of the few ways to put down Carnage for good is to make sure absolutely nothing is left of him when he's killed. Luckily for Lucy, her explosive vectors let her disintegrate Carnage in a nuclear blast of fire.

* CurbStompBattle: In the end, Lucy dominates Carnage in almost every way, and his one advantage (durability) is negated by her raw offensive power.

* BattleInTheRain: Lucy and Carnage's showdown takes place during a thunderstorm.

* LaserGuidedKarma: Boomstick considers the kids who killed Lucy's dog in front of her to have deserved their horrible deaths.

* KillItWithFire: One of the Carnage symbiote's very few and [[WeakToFire more-readily available weaknesses]], especially after it traded the weakness to sonics for a far-less-common weakness to eldritch magic. Lucy manages to exploit it and take the win.

* BadPeopleAbuseAnimals: A shared incident in both their backstories is the abuse of a dog. In Lucy's case, it was the kids at the orphanage killing her adopted puppy before she snapped and slaughtered them, in Cletus case he was the one who killed the family dog.

As the spawn of Venom, Carnage has most of Venom's abilities, such as super strength. However, Carnage is actually stronger than his "father" and comes with his own unique powers, like shapeshifting. He's able to create axes and projectiles with his own bloody suit. He can also create tendrils he can use to attack or directly infect his victims to control or torment them. He's also capable of regenerations and even if the symbiote were somehow destroyed on the outside, it will be reformed from his bloody even through the tiniest cut. The symbiote also has an enhanced sense of awareness, allowing him to sense his victims, and even if you can get away, he's learned how to fly by forming wings. Given that [[Recap/DeathBattleS04E03VenomVsBane Venom has shown to be fast enough to catch bullets after fired]], and Carnage is said to be as fast if not faster, this means he's likely able to react faster than twice the speed of sound. Furthermore, Venom is specifically stronger than Spider-Man, whose best known strength feat was lifting equipment on pair with a locomotive (which, given the time period, would have been 130 tons) and Carnage has outmuscled both of them together. And once, when he was looking for a journalist, he used his tendrils to locate her and transport through said tendrils 2 miles away. She shot him, but thanks this healing factor and his durability, he was more than able to survive a stronger blast and 125 tnt. He's also survived a gene bomb explosions and being ripped in half in space.

While Carnage's healing powers and durability gave him the edge to survive long, that was his own real advantage. Carnage can pass speeds of mach 2, Lucy's vectors at full power reach 240 miles in less than 2 seconds, putting her at 250 times faster than her opponent with a range 120 times as far. With her speed and his healing, the fight depended on who could land the killing blow first. The only way to defeat Carnage was to completely destroy him, and Lucy had what it takes to win. At full power, Lucy once caused an explosion that destroyed an island and created an earthquake and 100 ft tidal wave. An explosion of that magnitude would require 31,000 tons of TNT, on pair with nuclear fusion, which Lucy's power has been compared to. The heat from such an explosion reaches to to 180,000 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 18 times hotter than the surface of the sun and far more hot and powerful than anything Carnage has ever dealt with. And heat was Carnage's key weakness. The only way Carnage could have won is if he powered through the vectors, which would have been difficult due to their speed and he had no way to see them. Ultimately, Carnage's durability wasn't enough to deal with Lucy's greater speed and overwhelming power.

* ALighterShadeOfBlack: Lucy has a mountain of dead bodies in her name, but she has a [[TragicVillain tragic backstory]] and [[FriendToAllLivingThings a love for animals]] that keeps her sympathetic, plus she would develop regret for the murders she's committed and found redemption saving the man she loved at the cost of her own life. Her opponent, Cletus Kasady, was a demented serial killer even before becoming Carnage, and made himself known as one of the Marvel Universe's most feared villains who takes deep joy out of senseless killing of anyone regardless of age or even species, and is ultimately in capable of feeling genuine love, much less regret or a desire for redemption.