History Main / WithUsOrAgainstUs

* As mentioned earlier, Message Boards. This mostly applies to religious and political boards, but can (and usually will) extend to everything else. Anyone who has spent enough time on boards will know that there's often topics where you either agree with a completely insane statement or you're branded as whatever is the opposite of the poster's ideology/beliefs/whatever (examples of popular insults: [[DirtyCommunists communist]]/[[CorruptCorporateExecutive selfish capitalist]], {{Satan}}ist/[[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions superstitious nutjob]], [[DepravedHomosexual homosexual]]/[[HeteronormativeCrusader homophobe]] [this one usually appears just for opposing ANY opinion]). It's important to note that {{troll}}s are often to blame for this.

** It's a non-sequitur: claiming that "There are ''no'' blacks and whites" is wrong is [[FalseDichotomy not]] the same as claiming "There are ''only'' blacks and whites" is true. And the quote, strictly speaking, ''does not'' claim that "There are ''no'' blacks and whites" is wrong -- it [[InternetColdReader dives into]] [[AdHominem motivations]]. That is, [[SelfDemonstratingArticle self-demonstrating example]].

* Gaston in ''Film/{{Beauty and the Beast}}'', when he's roused the villagers into a TorchesAndPitchforks mob against the Beast while Belle is trying to talk some reason into them ("If you're not with us, you're against us!").

* ''[[SpiderMan Spider-Man]]: BrandNewDay'' has [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Extermist]]. To him, you are either with the heroes or with the villains, and anyone who dares to criticize superheroes or even laugh at them is evil and schemes to blur the line between good and evil-- and therefore, must be eliminated. He even tried to kill the guy who made a website dedicated to laughing at Spider-Man--[[spoiler: who happened to be Peter Parker]].

-->'''Philiip:'' [[TakeAThirdOption I am neither with you, nor am I against you]]!

* The page quote from ''RevengeOfTheSith''.

* {{Film/Avatar}}: Colonel Miles Quaritch while fighting Jake Sully at the climactic battle of The Tree of Souls.

* The world in the {{Film/Apocalypse}} film series is divided into who's believing who is God: Franco Maccalusso or Jesus Christ. Neutrality on the issue is brutally dealt with by the One Nation Earth agents and officers.
* {{Film/X-Men}}:First Class: Sebastian Shaw: "If you're not with us, then you are, by definiton, against us."
* PiratesOfTheCaribbean: On Stranger Tides:

-->'''Philiip:'' I am neither with you, nor am I against you!

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* PiratesOfTheCaribbean: On Stranger Tides: Pirate: "You're either with us or against us!" Philiip: "I am neither with you, nor am I against you!" Pirate: "Can he do that?" Jack: "He's religious; I believe it's required."

* Parodied in ''[=~Monty Python's Life of Brian~=]'', where the splinter groups against the Romans [[WeAreStrugglingTogether hated each other as much as the Romans]]. While this was originally intended as a satire on the increasingly-fractured British Left in the late '70s (the Pythons were all for [[BritishPoliticalSystem Labour]] at the time, although JohnCleese has since become a Lib Dem), it turns out that the Jews in Jesus' day really were quite fractured and always squabbling against themselves instead of the Romans.

* [[X-Men: First Class]]: Sebastian Shaw: "If you're not with us, then you are, by definiton, against us."
* [[Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides]]: Pirate: "You're either with us or against us!" Philiip: "I am neither with you, nor am I against you!" Pirate: "Can he do that?" Jack: "He's religious; I believe it's required."

* The Atlantic Federation of ''GundamSEED'' does this with regards to [[TheKingdom Orb]]. Orb has a mass driver, which the Atlantic Federation needs, so they give them this trope as an ultimatum[[hottip:*:Admittedly, this was done mainly by [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Muruta Azrael]]; the other leaders of the Atlantic Federation were very reluctant to go along with it]]. It happens all over again in ''GundamSEEDDestiny'', (albeit done pretty much entirely by [[WesternTerrorists Blue Cosmos]]/[[AncientConspiracy Logos]] this time) when the Destroy Gundam is unleashed on the western Eurasian Federation for being too sympathetic to ZAFT.

* The concept of "War is Peace" in ''NineteenEightyFour basically boils down to this trope.

The KnightTemplar and TheFundamentalist are characters prone to holding this particular belief due to their belief that they are "right" and the other people are "wrong." Totalitarian regimes ''love'' this trope, if your subjects have this mentality they will beg for your [[BigBrotherIsWatching protection]].

->'''Anakin Skywalker''': If you're not with me, then you're my enemy.
-->-- ''StarWars: Revenge of the Sith''

->''He takes a card and shades one half of it in dark\\
So he can demonstrate to you just what he means.\\
He says, "There's black and there is white,\\
And there is wrong, and there is right,\\
And there is nothing, nothing in between."\\
That's what [[SteveDitko Mr. A]] said.''
-->-- '''AlanMoore''', "Mr. A"

In fiction, a WriterOnBoard will [[{{Anvilicious}} hammer this point home]] through the use of {{Strawman Political}}s to show that not being on the side of right is bad, no matter what other side you take. The only hope of these people is to [[EasyEvangelism turn to the side of right as fast as possible]]. The KnightTemplar and TheFundamentalist are characters prone to holding this particular belief due to their belief that they are "right" and the other people are "wrong."

* {{X-Men: First Class}}: Sebastian Shaw: "If you're not with us, then you are, by definiton, against us."
* {{Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides}}: Pirate: "You're either with us or against us!" Philiip: "I am neither with you, nor am I against you!" Pirate: "Can he do that?" Jack: "He's religious; I believe it's required."

* ''Gomorra'' (2008). Toto, a 13 year old member of a Mafia clan fighting a gang war against a breakaway group, is told this when he hesitates to set up the mother of his childhood friend (who's joined the breakaway faction) to be murdered.

* ''ShamanKing'' anime, it's a reason X-laws hunt down Yoh and his friends. Like Marco said, they become "too powerful to let [them] be."

* [[SpiderMan Spider-Man]] BrandNewDay has [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Extermist]]. For him you either was with heroes or with villains, and everybody who dare to criticize superheroes or even laugh at them is evil and schemes to blur the line between good and evil and have to be eliminated. He even tried to kill guy who made website dedicated to laughing at Spider-Man [[spoiler: Who happened to be Peter Parker]].

-> "Hey, Sully, how does it feel to betray your own race? You think you're one of them? It's time to wake up."

* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' Melisandre talks this way, that people either belong to her god [[KnightTemplar R'hlorr]] or to the [[GodOfEvil Other]]. She analogizes to Ser Davos that an onion that's half rotted isn't half a good onion, it's a rotten onion.

** Its actually not messageboard only. Pretty often it can be seen in Real Life as well. There is surprisingly high amount of support of actions of certain countries of what used to be West among people in former communist countries, even among those who dont agree morally - simply because "If you are not agreeing with West, you must be Communist" and as far as I know, same tendency exist everywhere. Speak about Cold War Mindset.

* The Daleks in DoctorWho take this to its logical(?) extreme: you are either a Dalek, or you are EXTERMINATED!!!

* The Atlantic Federation of ''GundamSEED'' does this with regards to [[TheKingdom Orb]]. Orb has a mass driver, which the Atlantic Federation needs, so they give them this trope as an ultimatum[[hottip:*:Admittedly, this was done mainly by [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Muruta Azrael]]; the other leaders of the Atlantic Federation were very reluctant to go along with it]]. It happens all over again in ''GundamSEEDDestiny'', (albeit done pretty much entirely by [[WesternTerrorists Blue Cosmos]]/[[AncientConspiracy Logos]] this time) when the Destroy Gundam is unleashed on the Eurasian Federation for being too sympathetic to ZAFT.

* Demona says this in the pilot of ''{{Gargoyles}}'': "If you are not my ally, then you are my enemy."