History Main / WithUsOrAgainstUs

* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' demonstrates what happens when you mix this trope into a setting that runs on BlackAndGreyMorality. The results, from the Imperium of Man and Tau Empire, are not pretty. In the ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' novels, this kind of view is expressed by many who are joining the traitors.
--->'''Tarik Torgaddon''': If those are my choices, then I am against you.

** Kira himself shares this view to a point. Or at least this is what he tells Athrun after he repeatedly tries to justify his siding against Orb, and Kira promptly shuts him down by saying regardless of how he wants to view it, he's still attacking soliders of their nation and that makes him an enemy. He doesn't kill Athrun though, and in fact is largely forgiving of anyone fighting against him, unlike most of the other factions.

* ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'': Elscol Loro, an anti-Imperial fighter who's much more extreme than the New Republic, has come to believe this by The Bacta War. She tells Iella that there's no way to really stay "neutral". Either you're with the Empire or against them. Attempting to not get involved just tacitly supports the status quo of the Empire. As a result, she claims she'll target civilians if they don't wake up and side with her fight, but Iella reigns her in.

* ''ComicBook/SupremePower'' sees its version of Nighthawk, [[RaceLift reimagined as an African-American]], espouse this view, believing the world to consist of masters and slaves and slaves who don't fight against the masters are with them.

* The Wiki/SCPFoundation thinks that the [[UnitedNationsisaSuperpower Global Occult Coalition]] are hypocritical KnightTemplar who think MurderistheBestSolution when it comes to the anomalous, but stories focused on them show they’re really more of this trope. They’re perfectly okay with anomalies as long as they aren’t dangerous or don’t break the Masquerade.

* In ''Disney/AladdinAndTheKingOfThieves'' (third movie), the song "Are You In or Out?" is devoted to this trope.
* Gaston in ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', when he's roused the villagers into a TorchesAndPitchforks mob against the Beast while Belle is trying to talk some reason into them ("If you're not with us, you're against us!").

** Luke 11:23: "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."

** James 4:4 is a warning to spiritual adulterers:

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%%* A major part of ''Literature/{{Victoria}}''

* When Creator/SteveDitko took a heavy turn into Objectivism, his heroes started to preach his viewpoint. That ''ComicBook/MrA"'' Creator/AlanMoore sings about? That was one of Ditko's, who claimed that man can either be good or evil with no in-between.

* A few of the more {{Anvilicious}} episodes of ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'' were like this.

* In [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Fire Emblem Fates]], both Hoshido and Nohr nations will treat you this way if you choose one side over the other, especially in the Revelations path if you choose neither side. A few individuals ''do'' eventually warm up to you.

* In [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates]], both Hoshido and Nohr nations will treat you this way if you choose one side over the other, especially in the Revelations path if you choose neither side. A few individuals _do_ eventually warm up to you.

[[DescribeTopicHere Describe With Us or Against Us here,]] [[SelfDemonstratingArticle or you are my enemy!]]

TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing. With that said, Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease. TheFundamentalist is in every kind of belief that can be named so they're all as bad as non belief, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment so there's no need to pick out the crazies who think anyone who has or does not have pineapple on pizza should die or anything.]]

* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'':
** The Atlantic Federation does this with regards to [[TheGoodKingdom Orb]]. Orb has a mass driver, which the Atlantic Federation needs, so they give them this trope as an ultimatum[[note]]This was done mainly by Muruta Azrael; the other leaders of the Atlantic Federation were very reluctant to go along with it[[/note]]. It happens all over again in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'', (albeit done by [[WesternTerrorists Blue Cosmos]] / [[AncientConspiracy Logos]] this time) when the Destroy Gundam is unleashed on the western Eurasian Federation for being too sympathetic to ZAFT. Durandal also pulls this at the end of the series, stating that anyone who doesn't agree to his Destiny Plan is a threat to world peace, in with the aforementioned terrorists and deserve to be eliminated via KillSat.
** Kira himself shares this view to a point. Or at least this is what he tells Athrun after he repeatedly tries to justify his siding against Orb, and Kira promptly shuts him down by saying regardless of how he wants to view it, he's still attacking soliders of their nation and that makes him an enemy. He doesn't kill Athrun though, and in fact is largely forgiving of anyone fighting against him, unlike most of the other factions.

* ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'': During the Future Trunks Saga, this is the reason [[spoiler:Goku Black and Future Zamasu [[KillTheGod killed all the gods]] in Future Trunks' timeline. As Black explains, he knew that none of the other gods would ever support or understand his plans or ideals, so they had to die to prevent them from trying to stop him.]]

* ''ComicBook/ForeverEvil'': The Crime Syndicate deals with any dissenters with extreme prejudice. [[spoiler: Including their former alternate universe.]]

** If all his other methods fail, [[{{Jerkass}} Prowl]] will try this option, even trying to use it on Ultra Magnus when the guy tries to call him on his BS before [[spoiler:Megatron's trial.]]
** Getaway, as well. [[spoiler:He spent a year going around the crew, asking who sympathised with Megatron, and who would side with Rodimus in a coup, wiping their memories if they gave an answer he didn't like. When the time comes, he has the people who disagreed kicked off the ship.]]
* ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers2013:'' During ''Last Days'', Steve Rogers declares as such to the Mighty Avengers. Either they're helping him hunt down the Illuminati, or they're the enemy. The team don't support either group, and decide to TakeAThirdOption.

* ''ComicBook/SupremePower'' sees its version of Nighthawk, [[RaceLift reimagined as an African-American]], espouse this view, believing the world to consist of masters and slaves and slaves who don't fight against the masters are with them.

* Inverted in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8907405/1/Aegis Aegis]]'' where [[Film/{{Underworld}} Amelia]] declares that if [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Xander]] isn't with the lycans, then he's with the vampires. He agrees when he realizes the other option is to be killed by one faction or the other.

* In ''Disney/AladdinAndTheKingOfThieves'' (third movie), the song "Are You In or Out?" is devoted to this trope.

* Parodied in ''Film/MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian'', where the splinter groups against the Romans [[WeAreStrugglingTogether hated each other as much as the Romans]]. While this was originally intended as a satire on the increasingly-fractured British Left in the late '70s (the Pythons were all for [[UsefulNotes/BritishPoliticalSystem Labour]] at the time, although Creator/JohnCleese has since become a Lib Dem), it turns out that the Jews in Jesus' day really were quite fractured and always squabbling against themselves instead of the Romans.
* ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'': When Vader throws that line at Obi-Wan, he simply responds, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" (which, ironically, is itself an absolute) and ignites his saber.
** The irony in Obi-Wan's response is often pointed out, but this does illustrate a key difference between Jedi and Sith, even though Palpatine pointed out some of their similarities. The Jedi believe in absolute Good and Evil, but acknowledge that most people are neutral in this conflict and that asking everyone to be on the side of Good would be too much, thus them remaining neutral is a good compromise. The Sith compromise the distinction between Good and Evil because they only care about themselves or at best their family, but they hate or despise anyone who isn't helping them and are thus absolutists on the matter of their own self-interests. Anakin's sentence is in line with a Darksider's psychology, Obi-Wan's was not the most fitting but it doesn't mean as much about the Jedis' hypocrisy as many believe.
* In ''Film/BenHur1959'', this mentality is what drove Messala to sentence Judah Ben-Hur to slavery. Messala wanted his friend Ben-Hur to turn in the Jews who were speaking against him and the Roman occupation. Ben-Hur refuses, so Messala tells him, "You're either with me or you're against me." Ben-Hur replies, "If those are my choices, then I am against you."
** Given that is was made in TheFifties, this is likely a reference to [=McCarthyism=], in which many Hollywood people were ruined for declining to name DirtyCommunists alleged to be among them.

* The world in the ''Film/{{Apocalypse}}'' film series is divided into who's believing who is God: Franco Maccalusso or Jesus Christ. Neutrality on the issue is brutally dealt with by the One Nation Earth agents and officers.
* In ''Film/XMenFirstClass'', Sebastian Shaw attempts to convince the young mutants on Xavier's team to join the Hellfire Club, and he warns them:
-->Choose freely, but know that if you're not with us, then by definition, you are against us.

* In ''Film/TheRock'', Captain Frye makes this claim to Major Baxter during the MexicanStandoff. [[spoiler:Baxter hesitates, then draws on General Hummel, but spins and shoots Captain Darrow instead. He takes a bullet for his trouble.]]
* In ''Franchise/TheMatrix'', this is explicitly stated; any human seen in the Matrix who the Resistance hasn't unplugged can, at any time, become an indestructible monster capable of killing an entire team in seconds. An ExactWords twist comes up in the sequels; [[spoiler:Some Machines, such as Seraph and the Oracle, are ''not'' inimical towards humans, and Smith actually finds a way to download himself to a Resistance fighter and raise havoc in the Real World.]]

* In ''Film/MagnumForce'', the [[RabidCop renegade cops]], whose idea of justice is premeditated murder of the accused, try to use this to make CowboyCop [[Film/DirtyHarry Harry Callahan]] join them: "Either you're for us, or you're against us."
--> '''Harry:''' I'm afraid you've misjudged me.

* In the ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' series, one of the explicitly stated {{Aesop}}s is that our lives are our own, and we should do with them as we choose. Not a horribly warped lesson, right? Yet Goodkind turns this into a BrokenAesop with parts of the rest of the books that claim the only "real" choice for our lives is to fall in line with his views, and that any other choice just makes you as wrong than the bad guys. Even if people have been lied to all their lives, like the Hakens in ''Soul of the Fire'', they either side with Richard, or they have crossed the MoralEventHorizon, and should die like the evil swine they are.
** Similarly, the bad guys' whole belief system is based around the exact opposite idea, that your life should be spent only serving others, and if you are special in any way or, God forbid, try to enjoy life, you deserve everything the evil army is going to do to you. In fact, it's not so much "any other choice makes you wrong," as the only choices: Side with Richard (and probably be steamrolled by the Order anyway), be willingly oppressed by the Order and (probably) live, or get caught in between them and die either way. This is a world with no middle ground.

* In ''Discworld/{{Thud}}!'', the narrator discusses the increasing dwarf/troll conflict and its effect of causing dwarfs and trolls to resign from the watch:
--> Some people would be asking: Whose side are you on? If you're not with us, you're against us. Huh. If you're not an apple, you're a banana!
* In ''Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy'', Borsk Fey'lya sees his political rivals as his enemies. He's not above leaving them to die, and thinks that everyone else thinks in similar terms. Thrawn in fact counts on Fey'lya acting this way to paralyze the New Republic and dispose of the people who pose a real danger to him, like Admiral Ackbar. This is a trait that most Bothan share; [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan Bothan society]] is based around a system where the pursuit of power and influence were paramount, and it was quite normal to use backstabbing, political maneuvering and character assassinations against others to gain influence. However, they previously only did it within their own society; Borsk was either unable or unwilling to see that other races didn't operate this way. Thrawn, having analyzed species' psychology based on their artwork, knew and took full advantage of it.

* In the ''Literature/LeftBehind'' books, during the Tribulation, it eventually comes down to joining God or joining the Global Community, as both sides end up squashing any sign of neutrality on the issue.
* In ''Literature/DarknessAtNoon'', Rubashov recalls having enforced the principle that not to be absolutely with the Party was to be against the Revolution, and realizes he is doomed by that same principle now that the Party has decided to destroy him.
* Something of a ZigZaggedTrope in ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'' by Dante Alighieri. Illustrated in the form of this quote.
--> "The darkest places in Hell are reserved for those who remain neutral in times of a moral crisis."
** Considering what happened to him (Wiki/TheOtherWiki has a lot of information on that), this view becomes [[ItMakesSenseInContext understandable in hindsight.]]
* In "Literature/TheBleedingMan", the government official implies that the doctor's lack of enthusiasm for her plans would be troubling to the government higher-ups.

* PlayedForLaughs on ''Series/TheColbertReport'', by being the basis of Stephen Colbert's life philosophy. "You're either with us or you're against us. It is either Coke or Pepsi. You're either gay or you fight it." Finally he states he divides the supermarket into "cheese" and "not cheese". He also tends to badger people, including guests, who do not fall into one of his two categories, with "Pick a side--we're at war."

* ''Series/{{Dominion}}'': During the [[GreatOffscreenWar Extermination War]], the higher angels declared neutrality, something that [[BigGood Michael]] respected. However, now that many of them have joined [[BigBad Gabriel]], that agreement has been invalidated; Michael tells the higher angels living in secret in Vega to either stand with him, or leave the city.
* Parodied in a 2014 episode of ''Series/TheDailyShow'', as Jon Stewart tries to talk about Israel's actions towards Palestine, [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong only to be immediately shouted down by the Daily Show correspondents, who criticize him for being anti-Israel]], one of whom even calls him [[NoTrueScotsman a "self-loathing Jew"]]. This leads Jon to mention that being critical of Israel's actions does not imply approving Hamas' actions. [[HeadsIWinTailsYouLose However, this leads to the correspondents shouting at him for ignoring the plight of the Palestinian people]].
* In ''Series/PowerRangersSPD'', Emperor Grumm gave Piggy this ultimatum to ensure that he had his aid in his conquest of Earth. Even when Piggy said that he'd swear allegiance to him, Grumm ''still'' demanded he go into a pit of torture for a day to think it over.
* In the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' episode [[Recap/ArrowS5E7Vigilante "Vigilante"]], Vigilante says this almost word-for-word to Comicbook/GreenArrow, regarding Vigilante's war on crime. Green Arrow, seeing Vigilante as the crazy KnightTemplar VigilanteMan he is, declares that he is against him. It's eventually revealed that [[spoiler:Vigilante is a former Central City cop, who was shot in the head at the same moment as he was hit by the [[Series/TheFlash2014 particle accelerator explosion]]. While the dark matter did grant him a HealingFactor, it may have also left him with some brain damage]].
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** Queen Cersei Lannister tells her son Joffrey that "Everyone who isn't us is the enemy." This is all very well when House Lannister is the most powerful and wealthy family in the Seven Kingdoms, but after years of war drain their resources they make an alliance with House Tyrell. Cersei fails to understand the necessity for power-sharing, and her efforts to undermine the Tyrells instead of working with them cause disaster for everyone.
** Stannis Baratheon:
--> '''Stannis:''' The Iron Throne is mine. By right. All those that deny that are my foes.
* ''Series/{{Napoleon}}'': When Napoleon visits Fouché, the Minister of Police, to demand his support for Napoleon's coup on 18 brumaire, he states that Fouché must decide on the spot whether he's with him or against him. He also points out that he's now Fouché's only hope, since both the royalists and republicans will want to execute him for treason and conspiracy.

* On ''The Coodabeen Champions'', one-eyed [[UsefulNotes/AustralianRulesFootball Collingwood]] fan Digger once complained about how the umpires were running the game: "The way they were umpiring, you would have thought they didn't care whether Collingwood won or they didn't!". Tony pointed out that they weren't ''meant'' to care, prompting an angry rant.

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* Pro Wrestling Revolution was conceived as a member of the Wrestling/NationalWrestlingAlliance but in 2009 Fab Ramirez tried to expand, declaring if you weren't with Revolution, you were against Revolution, causing Billy Blade to [[RebelliousRebel break away and start Vendetta Pro in defiance of him]].
* An unfortunate example happened with Wrestling/{{TNA}} Wrestling president Dixie Carter, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn13PwaRQ6s giving a big speech]] to the wrestlers before an episode of iMPACT! in which she acknowledged the awful decisions being made by the company, and rather than do anything about it, told the wrestlers to shut up or leave. Either they were behind her, or they could leave the company. [[http://www.wrestlezone.com/editorials/article/it-just-keeps-getting-better-90269 This]] [[http://www.vivekwwe.com/wwenews/1585-wwe-reacts-to-tna-president-dixie-carter-speech.html did]] [[http://www.prowrestling.net/artman/publish/powelleditorials/article1008702.shtml not]] [[http://www.wrestling-edge.com/tna-news/tna-wrestler-reacts-to-dixie-carters-speech-details-on-the-black-machismo-invitational.html go]] [[http://www.wrestleview.com/news2009/1257714323.php over]] [[http://www.zimbio.com/TNA+Wrestling/articles/UVojvt1i_cO/Industry+Weighs+Dixie+Carter+Speech well]] [[http://www.camelclutchblog.com/dixie-carter-paul-heyman/ with]] [[http://www.ukff.com/lofiversion/index.php/t116095.html anyone]] at all.
* A {{Kayfabe}} example would be the {{Catchphrase}} of Wrestling/TheNexus. You're either Nexus, or you're against us!
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* ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' has a [[ChurchMilitant paladin Order of Samular]]. Once they hunted a demon and an elven community that happened to be between them -- surprise! -- didn't allow a little army of human heavy cavalry to crash through their territory just so... "thus allying themselves with the evil tanar'ri". More than a generation (human) later elves were still upset about the resulting bloodbath and paladins "wary of elves and their unknowable, inhuman ways".

*** By Act III, Meredith is so paranoid that she believes that anyone who disagrees with her is a blood mage's slave. She refuses to acknowledge the possibility that her fellow Templars might disagree with her entirely of their own free will. You're either with her, or with the blood mages. [[spoiler:This gets even more pronounced when she whips out her lyrium idol sword, which was the cause of Bartrand's insanity and also what pushes her to the edge.]]
*** [[spoiler: By the end of the game, Anders has deteriorated to the point that anybody who does not explicitly share his exact opinions on mage freedom fighting is just as bad as an enemy. It's difficult to say how much of this is from Anders himself and how much comes from [[EnemyWithin Vengeance]].]]

* The AI in the ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}}'' series often act like this: Trade with them, or be considered enemy; trade with their enemies and also be considered enemies. This is particularly visible in ''IV''; there, it's near impossible to stay neutral unless you have the forces and tech advanced so no one want to wage war against you anyway, unless you have a different religion as [[TriggerHappy Isabella]], who invokes "With Us or Against Us" on your state religion.

*** Jarl Balgruuf of Whiterun is desperate to try remain neutral in the conflict. When first asked what side he supports, he replies "[[TakeAThirdOption Whiterun's]]". He eventually is [[NeutralNoLonger forced to choose]], however and lends his support to the Empire.
*** After a certain point in the main quest [[spoiler: the Blades discover that the Dragonborn has been working with Paarthurnax, who is a dragon and the former right hand of [[BigBad Alduin]], and they refuse to cooperate with him any further unless he kills Paarthurnax for his past crimes against mankind. The player doesn't have to do this to finish the main quest, but the Blades cannot be convinced to let their grudge go.]]

* ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'':
** The Scarlet Crusade believes its holy purpose is to destroy the Scourge. However, they believe that anybody who has not joined the Crusade is likely a carrier of the plague and is thus their enemy as well. Only when preparing to face Kel'thuzad have they grudgingly worked alongside other groups.
** Garrosh officially adopts this philosophy as of ''Tides of War'', declaring that all members of the Horde, even those who aren't in a military occupation (including civilians and shopkeepers) must swear absolute loyalty to him and him alone, or be put to death.

** This is the reason for [[VideoGame/InFamous Good!Cole MacGrath]] starting up a rivalry with [[VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance Raiden.]]

* ''VideoGame/DiabloIII'': Due to their half-angel half-demon heritage, humans of Sanctuary are UTTERLY hated by most angels and demons, to the point of being obsessed with killing them even more than their "eternal enemies". The madmen among humans tend to return the sentiment. Examples include:
** Demonkind decided to stop fighting angels and focused specifically on mankind, recognizing their potential and their corruption of evil itself. Belial and Azmodan in particular wage bloody and COSTLY war instead of taking the smart route and stealing what they need to destroy everyone. Their hatred of humanity MADE THEM STUPID (The player character manages to figure out the LORD OF LIES and utterly decimates the armies of the GREATEST BATTLEFIELD COMMANDER OF THE BURNING HELLS).
** Angelkind could not stomach the demonic corruption of humanity, and left them to die as they focused on defending the High Heavens and fighting in pandemonium, even as the armies of the damned were routed straight to Sanctuary. Imperius constantly berates the Player Character, and Malthael went insane with a thirst for human souls.
** Some humans find both of these attitudes disgusting and plan to kill anyone in their way, regardless of alignment. Examples include Zoltan Kulle and the Templar Grand Master.
** Unfortunately this attitude is starting to bite the ass of all sides when the Humans managed to produce a God-like champion called the Nephilim, who has the power to wage a one man war against heaven and hell alike and is violently protective of humanity.
* In the second part of the ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' DLC ''Burial At Sea'', Elizabeth is making her way through the newly war-torn Rapture when Ryan gets wind of her and contacts her wondering what she is doing in the city and offers to let her fight for him. She makes it clear she's on her own mission and doesn't want anything to do with Rapture or his war. But Ryan, paranoid as always of outsiders, takes that to mean she's a "parasite" and sics his splicers on her.
* Namm, the angelic god of justice from the ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' series, is so absorbed with the necessity of his war with the ManipulativeBastard demon lord Tlacolotl that he considers anyone not as dedicated to the war as he is to be a real or potential enemy. Casualties of this so far include mortals who haven't become angels fast enough, anyone who tries to sit the war out, angels who don't have perfect scores on the KarmaMeter, and [[spoiler:Azazel, another angelic deity]] who Namm didn't think was supporting him enough. Namm's attitude is the main [[DarkMessiah recruitment]] method for Tlacolotl, yet at the same time Tlacolotl really ''is'' enough of a threat to the universe that it's not clear whether Namm is actually wrong or not.

* Victor Saltzpyre of the [[Videogame/VermintideII Vermintide series]] subverts the trope somewhat by playing it far more compassionately. He is an ardent believer that everyone is either with [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos]] or against them.... but in his case, it means that he is willing to [[EnemyMine join forces with factions the Empire is usually on bad terms with,]] so long as the end goal harms their mutual enemy.

* Zapp Brannigan in ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' views the Neutral Race this way. "With enemies you know where they stand, but with Neutrals, who knows?" Therefore he decides to crash the Planet Express ship into their capital. "Another heroic battle in the war between Good and Neutral!"
* Demona says this in the pilot of ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'': "If you are not my ally, then you are my enemy."

TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing. With that said, Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease. TheFundamentalist is in every kind of belief that can be named so they're all as bad as non belief, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment so there's no need to pick out the crazies who think anyone who has or does not have pineapple on pizza should die or anything.]]

* Victor Saltzpyre of the [[Videogame/VermintideII Vermintide series]] subverts the trope somewhat by playing it far more compassionately. He is an ardent believer that everyone is either with [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos]] or against them.... but in his case, it means that he is willing to join forces with factions the Empire is usually on bad terms with, so long as the end goal harms their mutual enemy.

* Victor Saltzpyre of the ''[[Videogame/VermintideII Vermintide series]]'' subverts the trope somewhat by playing it far more compassionately. He is an ardent believer that everyone is either with [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Chaos]] or against them.... but in his case, it means that he is willing to join forces with factions the Empire is usually on bad terms with, so long as the end goal harms their mutual enemy.

* In the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' episode [[Recap/ArrowS5E7Vigilante "Vigilante"]], Vigilante says this almost word-for-word to Comicbook/GreenArrow, regarding Vigilante's war on crime. Green Arrow, seeing Vigilante as the crazy KnightTemplar VigilanteMan he is, declares that he is against him.

TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing. With that said, NoRealLifeExamplesPlease. TheFundamentalist is in every kind of belief that can be named so they're all as bad as non belief, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment so there's no need to pick out the crazies who think anyone who has or does not have pineapple on pizza should die or anything.]]

TruthInTelevision, as anyone who has gone to a FlameWar on a political or religious (or anti-religious) MessageBoard can attest. Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us%2C_or_against_us can attest, too]]. The phrase "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" is frequently used as a more polite-sounding version that nonetheless amounts to the same thing.

* [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in Literature/TheBible. It's not so much as "us or them" as Jesus saying that ''neutrality'' on Him simply does not exist. Anyone who does good deeds is "for Him", even if they're an atheist, because GodIsGood. Anyone who does evil deeds (i.e. sin) is "against Him", because sin is basically "an offense against God", again, even if that person is an atheist. In other words, it is impossible not to choose a side because your actions choose it for you, rather than you making a conscious decision on the matter. This is distinct from salvation, which only comes through accepting Jesus', including His Divinity, sacrifice and resurrection, in faith.