History Main / RageAgainstTheMentor

** Subverted in one issue of ''[[ComicBook/{{Outsiders|2003}}''. [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]] is furious at Bruce for what he believes was an attempt to exert control over the new Outsiders by providing them funding through a subsidiary of Wayne Industries and secretly providing Arsenal with intel. Bruce explains that he really was just trying to help the new team by funding them -- they needed money, and he has money. Bruce just didn't want Dick to feel like he owed him anything. Dick calms down but says it was still wrong of Bruce to pass on intel to Arsenal without telling him. Bruce responds [[spoiler:by telling Dick that he hasn't spoken to Arsenal for over a year. Dick immediately calls Arsenal to warn him, only to find out that Arsenal is currently meeting with "Batman". Whoops, I mean ''Deathstroke'']].

* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Zuko had a habit of doing this toward Iroh, particularly in Book 1, but it was often played for laughs. However, in "The Ember Island Players", when showing the events of "Crossroads of Destiny", Actor!Zuko delivers a massive one to Actor!Iroh. Although the real Zuko never actually said anything like that to Iroh in the events of the actual episode, Zuko clearly regrets how he had treated Uncle.

** Aang does this to Jeong Jeong when he gets frustrated with Jeong Jeong's teaching methods, including not letting him actually firebend yet. Jeong Jeong proceeds to calmly explain what happened when his [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil last student]] failed to learn restraint.
* ''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'': The climax of the Hybreed AlienInvasion MythArc involves Ben raging against his mentor Asmuth over the issue of finding a non-lethal solution to their invasion, with Asmuth asserting that killing them is the only option.

* Twilight Sparkle gets a very short one of these, barely a scene long, in the third season episode "Keep Calm and Flutter On" of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''. When Celestia brings [[MeaningfulName Discord]] to Ponyville and tells the Mane 6 that she expects them to reform him Twilight promptly screams a query of Celestia's sanity right in the Princess's face.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheOwlHouse'': Towards the end of season two Luz, already [[TraumaCongaLine near a breaking point]], ''loses it'' when she finds out Eda plans to send her and King away from the impending fight. It's bad enough that Luz attacks her own mentor and [[ParentalSubstitute mother figure]].

* ''Comicbook/AvatarTheLastAirbenderThePromise'': Roku keeps telling Aang he needs to be decisive and kill Zuko, and if he contemplated the world he would see that he needs to do this. So Aang contemplates the world, and sees the people he loves, including Zuko, while getting sick of Roku's vague advice ("What did you expect me to picture? Some floaty cosmic energy?"). He realizes that Roku's worldview of how the four nations must be kept separate is outdated and decides there's nothing more he can teach him, so he severs his spiritual connection to him.
* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': Every single freakin' ComicBook/{{Robin}}, though [[ComicBook/Robin1993 Tim]] does so the least and is generally rather unnervingly calm when he does call Bruce or Dick out. And most of the [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} Batgirls]] at some stage. It's especially poignant since Batman is also [[CallingTheOldManOut a father figure]] to most of them.

* ''Franchise/XMen'': ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} went on a slow-burn one of these in the 2000s towards his mentor, ComicBook/ProfessorX, as more and more evidence of Chuck's long history of {{Superdickery}} started to pile up. The straw that broke the camel's back was ''ComicBook/XMenDeadlyGenesis'', in which Cyclops found out that Chuck not only sent a secret third squad of X-Men to their deaths against the island monster Krakoa (among them Cyclops's own long-lost brother Vulcan), he also in the aftermath ''[[MoralEventHorizon wiped the minds of Cyclops and all the other X-Men to forget that Vulcan's team ever existed]]''. Understandably, Scott was '''pissed'''. So pissed, in fact, that he booted Xavier out of his own mansion!

** Subverted in one issue of ''[[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders The Outsiders]]''. [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]] is furious at Bruce for what he believes was an attempt to exert control over the new Outsiders by providing them funding through a subsidiary of Wayne Industries and secretly providing Arsenal with intel. Bruce explains that he really was just trying to help the new team by funding them -- they needed money, and he has money. Bruce just didn't want Dick to feel like he owed him anything. Dick calms down but says it was still wrong of Bruce to pass on intel to Arsenal without telling him. Bruce responds [[spoiler:by telling Dick that he hasn't spoken to Arsenal for over a year. Dick immediately calls Arsenal to warn him, only to find out that Arsenal is currently meeting with "Batman". Whoops, I mean ''Deathstroke'']].

* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': C.C. does this in regard to the nature of Geass and her own past. Then again, Lelouch doesn't try hard to crack her most of the time, since he's busy with other things. When he does try to make her talk, C.C. usually gets out of it by reminding Lelouch she's his trustworthy co-conspirator. [[spoiler: In reality, she's trying to use him to get out of her [[DeathSeeker curse of immortality]].]]
* ''Manga/DragonBall:'' Tien Shinhan has every reason to hate his former Martial Arts masters, Master Shen and Tao Pai Pai for their harsh and abusive training methods. Tien is even given the opportunity to humiliate Tao in the World Tournament, but he shows as much respect and restraint as possible, trying to get Tao to forfeit multiple times until Tao voluntarily breaks tournament rules by slashing his former pupil's chest with a blade. At that point, Tien decides that Tao, and by extension Shen, are BeyondRedemption. After he scores a [[OneHitKO victory against Tao]], Tien demands that they never show themselves to him again.

** ''MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'': [[spoiler:After ditching ZAFT and re-aligning with the Archangel crew, [[TheLancer Athrun Zala]] finds himself dealing with [[AntiVillain Shinn Asuka]], the young man he was attempting to teach how to be a soldier. Unfortunately, Shinn hardly ever gained any respect for Athrun, and when he runs from ZAFT, ultimately decides he has to die. Athrun is eventually forced to give the irrational, uncompromising Shinn [[CurbStompBattle a harsh reality check]] at the end of the series.]]

* ''Anime/MobileFighterGGundam'': This occasionally happens with Domon to Master Asia once the former found out [[spoiler:Master's been supporting the Devil Gundam all along]].

* ''Manga/DragonBall:'' Tien Shinhan has every reason to hate his former Martial Arts masters, Master Shen and Tao Pai Pai for their harsh and abusive training methods. Tien is even given the opportunity to humiliate Tao in the World Tournament, but he shows as respect and restraint as possible, trying to get Tao to forfeit multiple times until Tao voluntarily breaks tournament rules by slashing his former pupil's chest with a blade. At that point, Tien decides that Tao, and by extension Shen, are BeyondRedemption. After he scores a [[OneHitKO victory against Tao]], Tien demands that they never show themselves to him again.

* ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'': Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails when he learns about how she'd converted it into an all-girls' dormitory ''before'' arriving. When she tries to force them back on track, she's repeatedly [[CallingTheOldManOut called out]] on how she keeps trying to manipulate everyone around her. Sadly, Hina dismisses all of these confrontations, firmly convinced that [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]]. [[spoiler:By the time she ''does'' realize her mistakes, it's far, ''far'' too late to make amends: She has lost the Hinata Inn, her entire family has completely cut ties with her and wants nothing to do with her, and the general public treats her with contempt for how she previously behaved.]]
* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has Dumbledore largely avoid this in favour of general ire being directed at the far more manipulative (i.e. Dumbledore is one of his many, many pawns) Doctor Strange, particularly by Wanda, his former student and essentially foster daughter, and Harry, his prime focus (and later, [[spoiler:student]]), for his manipulative methods and extremely selective attitude to divulging the facts. Strange counters by saying that was necessary (and it's indicated that he's right), but agrees and accepts that they have every reason to be furious with him.
* In ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/22875676 Divergent Points - Feast]]'', Plagg confronts Master Fu over how his methods have been hurting Marinette and Adrien: by choosing Marinette as his sole successor as the next Guardian ''on top of'' her duties as Ladybug, he's been drowning her under the weight of all her responsibilities. At the same time, he's kept Adrien LockedOutOfTheLoop, leaving him feeling isolated, and his decision to take Plagg away during the events of "Feast" served as a traumatic reminder of his mother's disappearance. Plagg also points out that while the MutualMasquerade rule might be a good safeguard against Hawkmoth, both heroes had benefited more from knowing each other's identities as well as having Alya and Nino as confidents, especially when dealing with their issues. Fu [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizes what he had brought upon his chosen heroes]], and takes measures to not only apologize to Marinette and Adrien for how he treated them but also make their lives far easier.

* ''Fanfic/VowOfNudity'': Spectra's warlock patron spends multiple stories tricking her into doing increasingly-catastrophic things without her knowledge or consent. After her actions ultimately lead to an entire neighboring kingdom descending into bloody politically-driven anarchy, she finally starts screaming about how she's never going to trust or help him ever again, even after he's plucked her to safety and left her in the center of her hometown.

* ''Series/Daredevil2015'': Matt Murdock meets the mysterious Stick - the man who trained him in martial arts, for the first time in nearly two decades, and his first response is to punch him in the face for abandoning him as a child. Stick then quips "Anything else?", and Matt replies, "You're a dick". The second season when Elektra comes calling for Matt reveals that she was also tutored by Stick as well, and seemingly has a better relationship with him, until she decides that she wants to be more than [[{{Tykebomb}} his human weapon]] and severs ties with him. She later tries to kill him personally, though at that point, [[spoiler:Stick ordering a hit on her understandably pissed her off. Even if we later find out some [[ShootTheDog very good reasons why]] [[ApocalypseMaiden she's better off dead]]]].

** ''VideoGame/Persona3'': After doing some research into a mysterious explosion at their school ten years prior to the game's setting, Yukari Takeba calls Mitsuru Kirijo, a fellow member of SEES and resident {{Ojou}}, on knowing more than she's letting on about the Shadows. Mitsuru reveals that [[spoiler: the Kirijo Group, her family's corporation, had been conducting secret experiments on Shadows using the school as a secret laboratory. The experiment went out of control, and the resulting explosion dispersed the Shadows across the city.]] Mitsuru tries to justify her withholding of this information by saying that it "never seemed relevant."

* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Zuko had a habit of doing this toward Iroh, particularly in Book 1, but it was often played for laughs. However, in "The Ember Island Players", when showing the events of "Crossroads of Destiny", Actor!Zuko delivers a massive one to Actor!Iroh. Although the real Zuko never actually said anything like that to Iroh in the events of the actual episode, Zuko clearly regrets how he did treat Uncle.

* ''Manga/MonochromeFactor'': Akira's attempts to find out more about the Shin and kokuchi are frequently rebuffed by Shirogane until [[spoiler:Lulu reveals to Akira that Shirogane is a King of the Shadow. He then forces Shirogane to reveal that Akira is the reincarnation of the King of the Rei, or light.]]

* Seen in ''Fanfic/TheImmortalGame'': [[spoiler:Once they're reunited]], Twilight ''really'' tears into Celestia, calling her out on how she manipulated Twilight in order to mold her into her "perfect soldier". Celestia attempts to mend their relationship, but Twilight points out that she's ''still'' trying to manipulate her.

* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'': Every single freakin' ComicBook/{{Robin}}, though [[ComicBook/RobinSeries Tim]] does so the least and is generally rather unnervingly calm when he does call Bruce or Dick out. And most of the [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} Batgirls]] at some stage. It's especially poignant since Batman is also [[CallingTheOldManOut a father figure]] to most of them.

* ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'': Tai Lung feels betrayed by Master Shifu as the latter did nothing when he wasn't chosen as the Dragon Warrior, despite training Tai Lung from childhood for that.

* ''Fanfic/PartingWords'' diverges from [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic the show's]] canon when Twilight calls Celestia out on her TricksterMentor tendencies and withholding of information and resources that [[CouldHaveAvoidedThisPlot could have easily solved prior conflicts]].

** Subverted in one issue of ''[[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders The Outsiders]]''. [[ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} Dick]] is furious at Bruce for what he believes was an attempt to exert control over the new Outsiders by providing them funding through a subsidiary of Wayne Industries and secretly providing Arsenal with intel. Bruce explains that he really was just trying to help the new team by funding them -- they needed money, and he has money. Bruce just didn't want Dick to feel like he owed him anything. Dick calms down but says it was still wrong of Bruce to pass on intel to Arsenal without telling him. Bruce responds [[spoiler:by telling Dick that he hasn't spoken to Arsenal for over a year. Dick immediately calls Arsenal to warn him, only to find out that Arsenal is currently meeting with "Batman". Whoops, I mean ''Deathstroke''.]]

* ''Fanfic/AnAlternateKeitaroUrashima'': Granny Hina's plans to make Keitaro take over the Hinata Inn go OffTheRails, and when she tries to force them back on track, she repeatedly gets called out for her manipulations. Sadly, none of these seem to sink in, as she firmly believes [[MoralMyopia everyone who disagrees with her methods is in the wrong]]. [[spoiler:By the time she ''does'' realize her mistakes, it's far, ''far'' too late to make amends: She has lost the Hinata Inn, her entire family has completely cut ties with her and wants nothing to do with her, and the general public treats her with contempt for how she previously behaved.]]

* ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/22875676 Divergent Points - Feast]]'': Following the events of Feast, Plagg confronts Master Fu about how his own methods have been harming Marinette and Adrien. Namely that Marinette has been drowning under the forced and sole responsibility of being the next Guardian, how Adrien feels isolated from being LockedOutOfTheLoop, and how having Plagg taken away during the events of "Feast" had reminded him of his mother's disappearance. He also points out that while the MutualMasquerade rule might be a good safeguard against Hawkmoth, both heroes had benefited more from knowing each other's identities as well as having Alya and Nino as confidents, especially when dealing with their issues. Fu [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizes what he had brought upon his chosen heroes]], and takes measures to not only apologize to Marinette and Adrien for how he treated them but also make their lives far easier for the two of them.

* ''Fanfic/TruthAndConsequences'': Thanks to Master Fu's mismanagement, Ladybug and Chat Noir both became deeply [[TheResenter resentful]] of each other -- Ladybug felt that Chat Noir never took anything seriously and was spared all of the responsibility that Fu heaped upon ''her'' shoulders, while Chat Noir hated being LockedOutOfTheLoop and wanted to be treated like an ''equal'' rather feeling like her "sidekick". As it becomes increasingly apparent to the other heroes how much of this stems from Fu's poor decisions, they grow increasingly frustrated with the old Guardian. By the end of the story, [[spoiler:they all ''despise'' him, but feel forced to keep him around anyway]].

* ''Film/{{Dragonheart}}'': the hero spends years training the prince to be an honorable knight, only to discover years later that the prince was just a bully who couldn't care less about honor when the prince attacks him.

'''Bowen''': (''heartbroken'') But... you spoke the words...\\

-->'''Sphinx''': Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to master your rage…\\

** Obi-Wan Kenobi: "So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view." Although by the time Luke Skywalker is able to talk to him properly, he's calmed down from hearing the AwfulTruth (it ''has'' been a full year, after all) and the conversation is civil.
** In the original novelization, Yoda states before his death that [[spoiler: "Obi-Wan would have told you (that Darth Vader is your father) long ago, had I let him..."]], which renders Luke's railing at Obi-Wan immediately thereafter somewhat redundant.
* ''Film/TransformersDarkOfTheMoon''. Sentinel Prime, Optimus' mentor and father figure, [[spoiler:turns out to be a traitor in league with the Decepticons and trying to enslave humanity to rebuild Cybertron, going against everything he taught Optimus. Optimus confronts him about it, but Sentinel merely replies with his WellIntentionedExtremist beliefs that rebuilding Cybertron is more important than humanity's freedom. Optimus doesn't accept that and ultimately executes Sentinel for what he's done.]]
--> '''Sentinel:''' [[spoiler: Optimus... all I ever wanted... was the survival of our race. You must see... why I had to betray you.]]\\

* ''Literature/{{Deverry}}'': Rhegor gets this from Nevyn [[spoiler:after Brangwen and Gerraent die.]] Subverted in that the laws of dweomer say that someone has to ask the right questions in order to learn the information that Rhegor was withholding. Nevyn also gets this a few times (sometimes for less reason), and Dallandra catches a few hits too. Meanwhile, Salamander does withhold information at times, but it's not to someone he has a mentor-type relationship with.
* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry Dresden does it to his mentor Ebenezer [=McCoy=], specifically in ''Literature/BloodRites''. The catalyst is the reaction [=McCoy=] and a mercenary named Kincaid have upon realizing that Dresden has recruited both of them for an attack on a bunch of Black Court vampires. Later, Harry confronts [=McCoy=], [[BrokenPedestal who tells him the truth about his job]] -- [[spoiler:that he's the Blackstaff, whose job is basically to do the White Council's dirty work. That pretty much means ignoring all of the principles and values that Ebenezar always taught Harry to uphold, and the resulting shock to Harry causes him to shun [=McCoy=] for at least three books.]]

** In ''Literature/GhostStory,'' Molly (Harry's apprentice in magic) feels this way towards Harry after [[spoiler: his ill-considered suicide leaves Chicago unprotected against supernatural onslaughts, and inadvertently begins Molly's StartOfDarkness.]] She's long since reached a DespairEventHorizon, so her attitude is less "angry" than "[[BreakTheCutie melancholy]] and utterly [[DidYouThinkICantFeel disillusioned]]" but it still feels like this trope.