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* Played with in ''ComicBook/RomSpaceKnight'', the hero is an alien cyborg wielding advanced technology, whilst the enemy are the Dire Wraiths, who blend magic and science in multiple ways. The Wraiths look like shapechanging demons but are mutated descendants of the alien Skrulls who were outcast for practicing magic, and they survived by fleeing to the Dark Nebula, an [[DeathWorld incredibly lethal]] area of space that ran on sorcerous principles rather than scientific ones. However, the Dire Wraiths were largely confined to the Dark Nebula until a faction of theirs turned to science over sorcery, constructing spacefaring ships they used to ravage the universe beyond their homeworld. After their defeat by the Galadoran Space Knights, they fragmented into two squabbling factions; those who favored magic, and those who favored science, [[MotherNatureFatherScience with females being witches and males being scientists]]. Whilst there were some abortive attempts to combine the two forces, ultimately the females grew sick of the repeated failures of their scientific male kin (despite the fact their sorcery had been no more successful) and [[{{Gendercide}} they wiped them all out]] to relaunch their campaign to conquer Earth relying exclusively on magic.
* [[Characters/MarvelComicsPeterParker Spider-Man]] versus Morlun. While Spidey's powers are based on "totemic spirits" (read: magic), they weren't helping that much against Morlun. So he beats Morlun with ''radiation''. After checking some of Morlun's blood under a microscope.
** It's ironic that some fans disliked JMS introducing magic into Spidey's origin, overlooking this important part in the storyline where Spidey uses science to beat magic. As Spidey told Morlun, it did not matter whether or not the spider was a mystic spider fated to bite him: the radiation made all the difference. The conclusion to the Ezekial arc, "The Book of Ezekial", suggests that the basis of his powers is scientific, but he was "destined" to have them.
** The end of that story arc has Peter discussing this issue with a South American shaman, who answers that [[MathematiciansAnswer none of these possibilities are mutually exclusive]]. He says that a scientist would say that the sun rises in the morning because the Earth spins, while a mystic would say the sun rises because it is meant to, and they're ''both'' right.
* As for ComicBook/IronMan, he treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his technology.
* Magic in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in one storyline.
* When [[Characters/ShazamBlackMarvelFamily Black Adam]] (about as powerful as Characters/{{Superman|TheCharacter}}, but with no KryptoniteFactor) [[spoiler:goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]] in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' he goes after the {{Mad Scientist}}s on Oolong Island [[spoiler:after he killed the Four Horsemen]]. Most of the Mad Scientists are understandably freaking out. Black Adam easily plows through their defenses. Then one of the Mad Scientists gives the others a pep talk. And then [[spoiler:the Mad Scientists ''kick Black Adam's ass''. They blind him, time freeze him, give him a tesseract concussion, beat and pour acid on him, and give him artificial spasticity in less than a minute]]. Science won hands down this time.
* Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} acknowledges the existence of things such as demons or ghosts, but does not view it as anything ''super''natural, as even magic has its own natural laws and limits. As a matter of fact, during his time training to be Batman, he learnt sleight of hand from Characters/{{Zatanna}} as an assistant in her Vegas magician's act.
* The relationship between magic and technology in ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'' has changed over time; before, it was Magic is an Ideology, with the conflict being over the destructive nature of technology over the possible abuse of magic. Once Creator/IanFlynn took over, though, the comic fell squarely into Magic is an EMP, able to trump ''any'' form of technology, no matter how advanced. It should be noted though that Chaos Energy, typically in the form of Gold Rings, provides protection from magic as well as a power boost, and that generally, if you can circumvent magic powers, you may just be dealing with a SquishyWizard.
* In ''Comicbook/SaGa'', the Wreathens, who use magic, are at war with the Landfallians, who use extensive technology.
* Doctor Sivana, the main antagonist of ''ComicBook/{{Shazam}}'', is a MadScientist fighting against a hero empowered by a wizard. His disdain for magic over science is consequently a recurring element of his character, though it's a largely one-sided rivalry as the Marvel family show no such attitude towards science. This is played to the hilt in ''ComicBook/TheMultiversity'', where he turns himself into an EvilCounterpart of Captain Marvel powered by scientific principles rather than ancient gods and heroes.
->"You have the strength of Hercules! But mine is the power of the fundamental forces! What chance has the speed of Mercury against the velocity of a photon?"
* In Creator/JamesRobinson's ''Comicbook/{{Starman|DCComics}}'', Ted Knight, the original Starman, is a scientist who reluctantly accepts the existence of a form of energy that hasn't been explained ''yet'', which provides his teammates Comicbook/DoctorFate and Comicbook/TheSpectre with their powers. By contrast, his son Jack (the fourth or fifth Starman) hates learning too much about how the cosmic rod Ted invented actually ''works'' because he prefers to think of it as magic.
* As mentioned above, Reed Richards of the ComicBook/FantasticFour has a lot of issues with magic, and will often claim that it doesn't exist or that it's just another branch of science. It's been proven multiple times that despite being the world's smartest man, Reed has ''never'' been able to get a proper grasp or understanding of magic, but he ''does'' often square off against it with his scientific mind when utilized by various villains. For the record, [[Characters/TheThing Ben Grimm]] once called Reed out on this tendency, and suggested the ''real'' reason Reed never acknowledges magic as real is that he's no longer the smartest man in the room whenever the subject comes up. He also points out that after meeting countless sorcerers and mages over the years, Reed's insistence that magic isn't real has long since crossed the line from [[ArbitrarySkepticism reasonable skepticism]] and into [[FlatEarthAtheist outright stubbornness.]]
-->'''Ben:''' Fer cryin' out loud, Franklin's ''nanny'' was a witch!
* When [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]] goes up against magic in ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'' he actually makes some headway on defeating it with science. He manages to entrap [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]], both a master of magic and PhysicalGod, with scientific innovation and nullify an EldritchAbomination possessing [[Characters/MarvelComicsQuicksilver Quicksilver]] casting spells at SuperSpeed by scrambling his brain's speech center.
* ''ComicBook/LegendsOfTheDeadEarth'': In ''[[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} The Power of Shazam!]]'' Annual #1, there is a conflict between magic and science on Binderaan. The ruling Science Council strictly enforces an adherence to science as if it were a religion. Those like the Aberrants who reject science in favour of magic are deemed to be non-believers and a threat to Binderaan society.
* As ''ComicBook/TheBooksOfMagic'', where the page quote comes from, explains, magic and science in Franchise/TheDCU are opposed to each other. Where and when one exists in abundance, the other is scarce. The Starheart, the source of Alan Scott's power as the Golden Age ComicBook/GreenLantern, was created by the Guardians of the Universe when they collected Oa's magical energies and ejected from the planet, which allowed the science that led to the creation of the modern Green Lantern Rings to be developed.
* ''ComicBook/JSAClassified'': Despite living in a world where magic and ''vampires'' are definitely real, Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific double down on the concept of logic vs. superstition when faced with a serial killer who seems to be a vampire. They end up being correct that he's not one, though Mid-Nite notes they still don't have a full explanation for everything off about the man.
* Pretty much anything involving Merklynn and the natives of Prysmos (the Visionaries) as depicted in the ComicBook/HasbroComicUniverse, but mostly Merklynn given that his goal is to obliterate all technology across the galaxy and usher in a new age of magic. In their backstory, Merklynn cast the spell that brought its three suns into alignment, causing all technology on their planet to cease functioning while ushering in a rebirth of magic. At the end of ''ComicBook/FirstStrike'', [[spoiler: Merklynn (in his guise as Garrison Kreiger), activated the [[MacGuffin Talisman]] in an attempt to terraform Cybertron into a new home for his people, but his efforts were stymied, only resulting in the depletion of Cybertron's energy reserves rendering them unconsumable by the Cybertronians and the creation of the enclosed city of New Prysmos]]. Throughout the storyline (especially in the sequel series ''ComicBook/TransformersVsVisionaries''), it is shown that magic is inimical to Cybertronians, causing effects like fatal degradation and rusting, and Merklynn's goal in said sequel series is to finish what he started by completing the transformation (no pun intended) of Cybertron into a new Prysmos using the Talisman (with the help of the Darkling Lords).
* [[Characters/MarvelComicsPeterParker Spider-Man]] versus Morlun. While Spidey's powers are based on "totemic spirits" (read: magic), they weren't helping that much against Morlun. So he beats Morlun with ''radiation''. After checking some of Morlun's blood under a microscope.
** It's ironic that some fans disliked JMS introducing magic into Spidey's origin, overlooking this important part in the storyline where Spidey uses science to beat magic. As Spidey told Morlun, it did not matter whether or not the spider was a mystic spider fated to bite him: the radiation made all the difference. The conclusion to the Ezekial arc, "The Book of Ezekial", suggests that the basis of his powers is scientific, but he was "destined" to have them.
** The end of that story arc has Peter discussing this issue with a South American shaman, who answers that [[MathematiciansAnswer none of these possibilities are mutually exclusive]]. He says that a scientist would say that the sun rises in the morning because the Earth spins, while a mystic would say the sun rises because it is meant to, and they're ''both'' right.
* As for ComicBook/IronMan, he treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his technology.
* Magic in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in one storyline.
* When [[Characters/ShazamBlackMarvelFamily Black Adam]] (about as powerful as Characters/{{Superman|TheCharacter}}, but with no KryptoniteFactor) [[spoiler:goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]] in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' he goes after the {{Mad Scientist}}s on Oolong Island [[spoiler:after he killed the Four Horsemen]]. Most of the Mad Scientists are understandably freaking out. Black Adam easily plows through their defenses. Then one of the Mad Scientists gives the others a pep talk. And then [[spoiler:the Mad Scientists ''kick Black Adam's ass''. They blind him, time freeze him, give him a tesseract concussion, beat and pour acid on him, and give him artificial spasticity in less than a minute]]. Science won hands down this time.
* Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} acknowledges the existence of things such as demons or ghosts, but does not view it as anything ''super''natural, as even magic has its own natural laws and limits. As a matter of fact, during his time training to be Batman, he learnt sleight of hand from Characters/{{Zatanna}} as an assistant in her Vegas magician's act.
* The relationship between magic and technology in ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'' has changed over time; before, it was Magic is an Ideology, with the conflict being over the destructive nature of technology over the possible abuse of magic. Once Creator/IanFlynn took over, though, the comic fell squarely into Magic is an EMP, able to trump ''any'' form of technology, no matter how advanced. It should be noted though that Chaos Energy, typically in the form of Gold Rings, provides protection from magic as well as a power boost, and that generally, if you can circumvent magic powers, you may just be dealing with a SquishyWizard.
* In ''Comicbook/SaGa'', the Wreathens, who use magic, are at war with the Landfallians, who use extensive technology.
* Doctor Sivana, the main antagonist of ''ComicBook/{{Shazam}}'', is a MadScientist fighting against a hero empowered by a wizard. His disdain for magic over science is consequently a recurring element of his character, though it's a largely one-sided rivalry as the Marvel family show no such attitude towards science. This is played to the hilt in ''ComicBook/TheMultiversity'', where he turns himself into an EvilCounterpart of Captain Marvel powered by scientific principles rather than ancient gods and heroes.
->"You have the strength of Hercules! But mine is the power of the fundamental forces! What chance has the speed of Mercury against the velocity of a photon?"
* In Creator/JamesRobinson's ''Comicbook/{{Starman|DCComics}}'', Ted Knight, the original Starman, is a scientist who reluctantly accepts the existence of a form of energy that hasn't been explained ''yet'', which provides his teammates Comicbook/DoctorFate and Comicbook/TheSpectre with their powers. By contrast, his son Jack (the fourth or fifth Starman) hates learning too much about how the cosmic rod Ted invented actually ''works'' because he prefers to think of it as magic.
* As mentioned above, Reed Richards of the ComicBook/FantasticFour has a lot of issues with magic, and will often claim that it doesn't exist or that it's just another branch of science. It's been proven multiple times that despite being the world's smartest man, Reed has ''never'' been able to get a proper grasp or understanding of magic, but he ''does'' often square off against it with his scientific mind when utilized by various villains. For the record, [[Characters/TheThing Ben Grimm]] once called Reed out on this tendency, and suggested the ''real'' reason Reed never acknowledges magic as real is that he's no longer the smartest man in the room whenever the subject comes up. He also points out that after meeting countless sorcerers and mages over the years, Reed's insistence that magic isn't real has long since crossed the line from [[ArbitrarySkepticism reasonable skepticism]] and into [[FlatEarthAtheist outright stubbornness.]]
-->'''Ben:''' Fer cryin' out loud, Franklin's ''nanny'' was a witch!
* When [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]] goes up against magic in ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'' he actually makes some headway on defeating it with science. He manages to entrap [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]], both a master of magic and PhysicalGod, with scientific innovation and nullify an EldritchAbomination possessing [[Characters/MarvelComicsQuicksilver Quicksilver]] casting spells at SuperSpeed by scrambling his brain's speech center.
* ''ComicBook/LegendsOfTheDeadEarth'': In ''[[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} The Power of Shazam!]]'' Annual #1, there is a conflict between magic and science on Binderaan. The ruling Science Council strictly enforces an adherence to science as if it were a religion. Those like the Aberrants who reject science in favour of magic are deemed to be non-believers and a threat to Binderaan society.
* As ''ComicBook/TheBooksOfMagic'', where the page quote comes from, explains, magic and science in Franchise/TheDCU are opposed to each other. Where and when one exists in abundance, the other is scarce. The Starheart, the source of Alan Scott's power as the Golden Age ComicBook/GreenLantern, was created by the Guardians of the Universe when they collected Oa's magical energies and ejected from the planet, which allowed the science that led to the creation of the modern Green Lantern Rings to be developed.
* ''ComicBook/JSAClassified'': Despite living in a world where magic and ''vampires'' are definitely real, Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific double down on the concept of logic vs. superstition when faced with a serial killer who seems to be a vampire. They end up being correct that he's not one, though Mid-Nite notes they still don't have a full explanation for everything off about the man.
* Pretty much anything involving Merklynn and the natives of Prysmos (the Visionaries) as depicted in the ComicBook/HasbroComicUniverse, but mostly Merklynn given that his goal is to obliterate all technology across the galaxy and usher in a new age of magic. In their backstory, Merklynn cast the spell that brought its three suns into alignment, causing all technology on their planet to cease functioning while ushering in a rebirth of magic. At the end of ''ComicBook/FirstStrike'', [[spoiler: Merklynn (in his guise as Garrison Kreiger), activated the [[MacGuffin Talisman]] in an attempt to terraform Cybertron into a new home for his people, but his efforts were stymied, only resulting in the depletion of Cybertron's energy reserves rendering them unconsumable by the Cybertronians and the creation of the enclosed city of New Prysmos]]. Throughout the storyline (especially in the sequel series ''ComicBook/TransformersVsVisionaries''), it is shown that magic is inimical to Cybertronians, causing effects like fatal degradation and rusting, and Merklynn's goal in said sequel series is to finish what he started by completing the transformation (no pun intended) of Cybertron into a new Prysmos using the Talisman (with the help of the Darkling Lords).
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* Played ''Franchise/TheDCU'': As ''ComicBook/TheBooksOfMagic'', where the page quote comes from, explains, magic and science in Franchise/TheDCU are opposed to each other. Where and when one exists in abundance, the other is scarce. The Starheart, the source of Alan Scott's power as the Golden Age ComicBook/GreenLantern, was created by the Guardians of the Universe when they collected Oa's magical energies and ejected from the planet, which allowed the science that led to the creation of the modern Green Lantern Rings to be developed.
** ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'': Batman acknowledges the existence of things such as demons or ghosts, but does not view it as anything ''super''natural, as even magic has its own natural laws and limits. As a matter of fact, during his time training to be Batman, he learnt sleight of hand from Characters/{{Zatanna}} as an assistant in her Vegas magician's act.
** ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'': In ''ComicBook/JSAClassified'', despite living in a world where magic and ''vampires'' are definitely real, Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific double down on the concept of logic vs. superstition when faced with a serial killer who seems to be a vampire. They end up being correct that he's not one, though Mid-Nite notes they still don't have a full explanation for everything off about the man.
** ''ComicBook/{{Shazam}}'':
*** Doctor Sivana is a MadScientist fighting against a hero empowered by a wizard. His disdain for magic over science is consequently a recurring element of his character, though it's a largely one-sided rivalry as the Marvel family show no such attitude towards science. This is played to the hilt in ''ComicBook/TheMultiversity'', where he turns himself into an EvilCounterpart of Captain Marvel powered by scientific principles rather than ancient gods and heroes.
---->"You have the strength of Hercules! But mine is the power of the fundamental forces! What chance has the speed of Mercury against the velocity of a photon?"
*** In ''ComicBook/ThePowerOfShazam'' Annual #1, a part of the ''ComicBook/LegendsOfTheDeadEarth'' event, there is a conflict between magic and science on Binderaan. The ruling Science Council strictly enforces an adherence to science as if it were a religion. Those like the Aberrants who reject science in favour of magic are deemed to be non-believers and a threat to Binderaan society.
*** in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'', when [[Characters/ShazamBlackMarvelFamily Black Adam]] (about as powerful as Characters/{{Superman|TheCharacter}}, but with no KryptoniteFactor) [[spoiler:goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]], he goes after the {{Mad Scientist}}s on Oolong Island [[spoiler:after he killed the Four Horsemen]]. Most of the Mad Scientists are understandably freaking out. Black Adam easily plows through their defenses. Then one of the Mad Scientists gives the others a pep talk. And then [[spoiler:the Mad Scientists ''kick Black Adam's ass''. They blind him, time freeze him, give him a tesseract concussion, beat and pour acid on him, and give him artificial spasticity in less than a minute]]. Science won hands down this time.
* ''ComicBook/{{Starman|DCComics}}'': In Creator/JamesRobinson's series, Ted Knight, the original Starman, is a scientist who reluctantly accepts the existence of a form of energy that hasn't been explained ''yet'', which provides his teammates ComicBook/DoctorFate and ComicBook/TheSpectre with their powers. By contrast, his son Jack (the fourth or fifth Starman) hates learning too much about how the cosmic rod Ted invented actually ''works'' because he prefers to think of it as magic.
* ''ComicBook/HasbroComicUniverse'': Pretty much anything involving Merklynn and the natives of Prysmos (the ''WesternAnimation/{{Visionaries}}''), but mostly Merklynn given that his goal is to obliterate all technology across the galaxy and usher in a new age of magic. In their backstory, Merklynn cast the spell that brought its three suns into alignment, causing all technology on their planet to cease functioning while ushering in a rebirth of magic. At the end of ''ComicBook/FirstStrike'', [[spoiler: Merklynn (in his guise as Garrison Kreiger), activated the [[MacGuffin Talisman]] in an attempt to terraform Cybertron into a new home for his people, but his efforts were stymied, only resulting in the depletion of Cybertron's energy reserves rendering them unconsumable by the Cybertronians and the creation of the enclosed city of New Prysmos]]. Throughout the storyline (especially in the sequel series ''ComicBook/TransformersVsVisionaries''), it is shown that magic is inimical to Cybertronians, causing effects like fatal degradation and rusting, and Merklynn's goal in said sequel series is to finish what he started by completing the transformation (no pun intended) of Cybertron into a new Prysmos using the Talisman (with the help of the Darkling Lords).
* ''Franchise/MarvelUniverse'': Magic unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in the "Unthinkable" arc from ''ComicBook/FantasticFour1998''.
** ''ComicBook/AntMan'': When Hank Pym goes up against magic in ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'' he actually makes some headway on defeating it with science. He manages to entrap [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]], both a master of magic and PhysicalGod, with scientific innovation and nullify an EldritchAbomination possessing [[Characters/MarvelComicsQuicksilver Quicksilver]] casting spells at SuperSpeed by scrambling his brain's speech center.
** ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'': Reed Richards has a lot of issues with magic, and will often claim that it doesn't exist or that it's just another branch of science. It's been proven multiple times that despite being the world's smartest man, Reed has ''never'' been able to get a proper grasp or understanding of magic, but he ''does'' often square off against it with his scientific mind when utilized by various villains. For the record, [[Characters/TheThing Ben Grimm]] once called Reed out on this tendency, and suggested the ''real'' reason Reed never acknowledges magic as real is that he's no longer the smartest man in the room whenever the subject comes up. He also points out that after meeting countless sorcerers and mages over the years, Reed's insistence that magic isn't real has long since crossed the line from [[ArbitrarySkepticism reasonable skepticism]] and into [[FlatEarthAtheist outright stubbornness.]]
--->'''Ben:''' Fer cryin' out loud, Franklin's ''nanny'' was a witch!
** ''ComicBook/IronMan'': Tony Stark treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his technology.
** ''ComicBook/RomSpaceKnight'', Played with, as the hero is an alien cyborg wielding advanced technology, whilst the enemy are the Dire Wraiths, who blend magic and science in multiple ways. The Wraiths look like shapechanging demons but are mutated descendants of the alien Skrulls who were outcast for practicing magic, and they survived by fleeing to the Dark Nebula, an [[DeathWorld incredibly lethal]] area of space that ran on sorcerous principles rather than scientific ones. However, the Dire Wraiths were largely confined to the Dark Nebula until a faction of theirs turned to science over sorcery, constructing spacefaring ships they used to ravage the universe beyond their homeworld. After their defeat by the Galadoran Space Knights, they fragmented into two squabbling factions; those who favored magic, and those who favored science, [[MotherNatureFatherScience with females being witches and males being scientists]]. Whilst there were some abortive attempts to combine the two forces, ultimately the females grew sick of the repeated failures of their scientific male kin (despite the fact their sorcery had been no more successful) and [[{{Gendercide}} they wiped them all out]] to relaunch their campaign to conquer Earth relying exclusively on magic.
* [[Characters/MarvelComicsPeterParker Spider-Man]] ** ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'': Spider-Man versus Morlun.Morlun in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan1999''. While Spidey's powers are based on "totemic spirits" (read: magic), they weren't helping that much against Morlun. So he beats Morlun with ''radiation''. After checking some of Morlun's blood under a microscope.
** *** It's ironic that some fans disliked JMS introducing magic into Spidey's origin, overlooking this important part in the storyline where Spidey uses science to beat magic. As Spidey told Morlun, it did not matter whether or not the spider was a mystic spider fated to bite him: the radiation made all the difference. The conclusion to the Ezekial arc, "The Book of Ezekial", suggests that the basis of his powers is scientific, but he was "destined" to have them.
** *** The end of that story arc has Peter discussing this issue with a South American shaman, who answers that [[MathematiciansAnswer none of these possibilities are mutually exclusive]]. He says that a scientist would say that the sun rises in the morning because the Earth spins, while a mystic would say the sun rises because it is meant to, and they're ''both'' right.
*As for ComicBook/IronMan, he treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him ''ComicBook/{{Saga}}'': The Wreathens, who use magic, are at war with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his the Landfallians, who use extensive technology.
*Magic in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in one storyline.
* When [[Characters/ShazamBlackMarvelFamily Black Adam]] (about as powerful as Characters/{{Superman|TheCharacter}}, but with no KryptoniteFactor) [[spoiler:goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]] in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' he goes after the {{Mad Scientist}}s on Oolong Island [[spoiler:after he killed the Four Horsemen]]. Most of the Mad Scientists are understandably freaking out. Black Adam easily plows through their defenses. Then one of the Mad Scientists gives the others a pep talk. And then [[spoiler:the Mad Scientists ''kick Black Adam's ass''. They blind him, time freeze him, give him a tesseract concussion, beat and pour acid on him, and give him artificial spasticity in less than a minute]]. Science won hands down this time.
* Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} acknowledges the existence of things such as demons or ghosts, but does not view it as anything ''super''natural, as even magic has its own natural laws and limits. As a matter of fact, during his time training to be Batman, he learnt sleight of hand from Characters/{{Zatanna}} as an assistant in her Vegas magician's act.
*''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'': The relationship between magic and technology in ''Comicbook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'' has changed over time; before, it was Magic is an Ideology, with the conflict being over the destructive nature of technology over the possible abuse of magic. Once Creator/IanFlynn took over, though, the comic fell squarely into Magic is an EMP, able to trump ''any'' form of technology, no matter how advanced. It should be noted though that Chaos Energy, typically in the form of Gold Rings, provides protection from magic as well as a power boost, and that generally, if you can circumvent magic powers, you may just be dealing with a SquishyWizard.
* In ''Comicbook/SaGa'', the Wreathens, who use magic, are at war with the Landfallians, who use extensive technology.
* Doctor Sivana, the main antagonist of ''ComicBook/{{Shazam}}'', is a MadScientist fighting against a hero empowered by a wizard. His disdain for magic over science is consequently a recurring element of his character, though it's a largely one-sided rivalry as the Marvel family show no such attitude towards science. This is played to the hilt in ''ComicBook/TheMultiversity'', where he turns himself into an EvilCounterpart of Captain Marvel powered by scientific principles rather than ancient gods and heroes.
->"You have the strength of Hercules! But mine is the power of the fundamental forces! What chance has the speed of Mercury against the velocity of a photon?"
* In Creator/JamesRobinson's ''Comicbook/{{Starman|DCComics}}'', Ted Knight, the original Starman, is a scientist who reluctantly accepts the existence of a form of energy that hasn't been explained ''yet'', which provides his teammates Comicbook/DoctorFate and Comicbook/TheSpectre with their powers. By contrast, his son Jack (the fourth or fifth Starman) hates learning too much about how the cosmic rod Ted invented actually ''works'' because he prefers to think of it as magic.
* As mentioned above, Reed Richards of the ComicBook/FantasticFour has a lot of issues with magic, and will often claim that it doesn't exist or that it's just another branch of science. It's been proven multiple times that despite being the world's smartest man, Reed has ''never'' been able to get a proper grasp or understanding of magic, but he ''does'' often square off against it with his scientific mind when utilized by various villains. For the record, [[Characters/TheThing Ben Grimm]] once called Reed out on this tendency, and suggested the ''real'' reason Reed never acknowledges magic as real is that he's no longer the smartest man in the room whenever the subject comes up. He also points out that after meeting countless sorcerers and mages over the years, Reed's insistence that magic isn't real has long since crossed the line from [[ArbitrarySkepticism reasonable skepticism]] and into [[FlatEarthAtheist outright stubbornness.]]
-->'''Ben:''' Fer cryin' out loud, Franklin's ''nanny'' was a witch!
* When [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]] goes up against magic in ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'' he actually makes some headway on defeating it with science. He manages to entrap [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]], both a master of magic and PhysicalGod, with scientific innovation and nullify an EldritchAbomination possessing [[Characters/MarvelComicsQuicksilver Quicksilver]] casting spells at SuperSpeed by scrambling his brain's speech center.
* ''ComicBook/LegendsOfTheDeadEarth'': In ''[[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} The Power of Shazam!]]'' Annual #1, there is a conflict between magic and science on Binderaan. The ruling Science Council strictly enforces an adherence to science as if it were a religion. Those like the Aberrants who reject science in favour of magic are deemed to be non-believers and a threat to Binderaan society.
* As ''ComicBook/TheBooksOfMagic'', where the page quote comes from, explains, magic and science in Franchise/TheDCU are opposed to each other. Where and when one exists in abundance, the other is scarce. The Starheart, the source of Alan Scott's power as the Golden Age ComicBook/GreenLantern, was created by the Guardians of the Universe when they collected Oa's magical energies and ejected from the planet, which allowed the science that led to the creation of the modern Green Lantern Rings to be developed.
* ''ComicBook/JSAClassified'': Despite living in a world where magic and ''vampires'' are definitely real, Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific double down on the concept of logic vs. superstition when faced with a serial killer who seems to be a vampire. They end up being correct that he's not one, though Mid-Nite notes they still don't have a full explanation for everything off about the man.
* Pretty much anything involving Merklynn and the natives of Prysmos (the Visionaries) as depicted in the ComicBook/HasbroComicUniverse, but mostly Merklynn given that his goal is to obliterate all technology across the galaxy and usher in a new age of magic. In their backstory, Merklynn cast the spell that brought its three suns into alignment, causing all technology on their planet to cease functioning while ushering in a rebirth of magic. At the end of ''ComicBook/FirstStrike'', [[spoiler: Merklynn (in his guise as Garrison Kreiger), activated the [[MacGuffin Talisman]] in an attempt to terraform Cybertron into a new home for his people, but his efforts were stymied, only resulting in the depletion of Cybertron's energy reserves rendering them unconsumable by the Cybertronians and the creation of the enclosed city of New Prysmos]]. Throughout the storyline (especially in the sequel series ''ComicBook/TransformersVsVisionaries''), it is shown that magic is inimical to Cybertronians, causing effects like fatal degradation and rusting, and Merklynn's goal in said sequel series is to finish what he started by completing the transformation (no pun intended) of Cybertron into a new Prysmos using the Talisman (with the help of the Darkling Lords).SquishyWizard.
** ''ComicBook/{{Batman}}'': Batman acknowledges the existence of things such as demons or ghosts, but does not view it as anything ''super''natural, as even magic has its own natural laws and limits. As a matter of fact, during his time training to be Batman, he learnt sleight of hand from Characters/{{Zatanna}} as an assistant in her Vegas magician's act.
** ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'': In ''ComicBook/JSAClassified'', despite living in a world where magic and ''vampires'' are definitely real, Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific double down on the concept of logic vs. superstition when faced with a serial killer who seems to be a vampire. They end up being correct that he's not one, though Mid-Nite notes they still don't have a full explanation for everything off about the man.
** ''ComicBook/{{Shazam}}'':
*** Doctor Sivana is a MadScientist fighting against a hero empowered by a wizard. His disdain for magic over science is consequently a recurring element of his character, though it's a largely one-sided rivalry as the Marvel family show no such attitude towards science. This is played to the hilt in ''ComicBook/TheMultiversity'', where he turns himself into an EvilCounterpart of Captain Marvel powered by scientific principles rather than ancient gods and heroes.
---->"You have the strength of Hercules! But mine is the power of the fundamental forces! What chance has the speed of Mercury against the velocity of a photon?"
*** In ''ComicBook/ThePowerOfShazam'' Annual #1, a part of the ''ComicBook/LegendsOfTheDeadEarth'' event, there is a conflict between magic and science on Binderaan. The ruling Science Council strictly enforces an adherence to science as if it were a religion. Those like the Aberrants who reject science in favour of magic are deemed to be non-believers and a threat to Binderaan society.
*** in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'', when [[Characters/ShazamBlackMarvelFamily Black Adam]] (about as powerful as Characters/{{Superman|TheCharacter}}, but with no KryptoniteFactor) [[spoiler:goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]], he goes after the {{Mad Scientist}}s on Oolong Island [[spoiler:after he killed the Four Horsemen]]. Most of the Mad Scientists are understandably freaking out. Black Adam easily plows through their defenses. Then one of the Mad Scientists gives the others a pep talk. And then [[spoiler:the Mad Scientists ''kick Black Adam's ass''. They blind him, time freeze him, give him a tesseract concussion, beat and pour acid on him, and give him artificial spasticity in less than a minute]]. Science won hands down this time.
* ''ComicBook/{{Starman|DCComics}}'': In Creator/JamesRobinson's series, Ted Knight, the original Starman, is a scientist who reluctantly accepts the existence of a form of energy that hasn't been explained ''yet'', which provides his teammates ComicBook/DoctorFate and ComicBook/TheSpectre with their powers. By contrast, his son Jack (the fourth or fifth Starman) hates learning too much about how the cosmic rod Ted invented actually ''works'' because he prefers to think of it as magic.
* ''ComicBook/HasbroComicUniverse'': Pretty much anything involving Merklynn and the natives of Prysmos (the ''WesternAnimation/{{Visionaries}}''), but mostly Merklynn given that his goal is to obliterate all technology across the galaxy and usher in a new age of magic. In their backstory, Merklynn cast the spell that brought its three suns into alignment, causing all technology on their planet to cease functioning while ushering in a rebirth of magic. At the end of ''ComicBook/FirstStrike'', [[spoiler: Merklynn (in his guise as Garrison Kreiger), activated the [[MacGuffin Talisman]] in an attempt to terraform Cybertron into a new home for his people, but his efforts were stymied, only resulting in the depletion of Cybertron's energy reserves rendering them unconsumable by the Cybertronians and the creation of the enclosed city of New Prysmos]]. Throughout the storyline (especially in the sequel series ''ComicBook/TransformersVsVisionaries''), it is shown that magic is inimical to Cybertronians, causing effects like fatal degradation and rusting, and Merklynn's goal in said sequel series is to finish what he started by completing the transformation (no pun intended) of Cybertron into a new Prysmos using the Talisman (with the help of the Darkling Lords).
* ''Franchise/MarvelUniverse'': Magic unsurprisingly tends to be a combination of all the conflicts listed above. It usually plays havoc with any technology it is used against and attempts to analyze it scientifically tend to fail like getting different results from each test. A lot of magic involves invoking entities or physics from another universe making it incompatible with devices or scientific laws from the main universe. It also had an ideology element as attempts to understand it rationally tend to blow up in one's face as [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] found out in the "Unthinkable" arc from ''ComicBook/FantasticFour1998''.
** ''ComicBook/AntMan'': When Hank Pym goes up against magic in ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'' he actually makes some headway on defeating it with science. He manages to entrap [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]], both a master of magic and PhysicalGod, with scientific innovation and nullify an EldritchAbomination possessing [[Characters/MarvelComicsQuicksilver Quicksilver]] casting spells at SuperSpeed by scrambling his brain's speech center.
** ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'': Reed Richards has a lot of issues with magic, and will often claim that it doesn't exist or that it's just another branch of science. It's been proven multiple times that despite being the world's smartest man, Reed has ''never'' been able to get a proper grasp or understanding of magic, but he ''does'' often square off against it with his scientific mind when utilized by various villains. For the record, [[Characters/TheThing Ben Grimm]] once called Reed out on this tendency, and suggested the ''real'' reason Reed never acknowledges magic as real is that he's no longer the smartest man in the room whenever the subject comes up. He also points out that after meeting countless sorcerers and mages over the years, Reed's insistence that magic isn't real has long since crossed the line from [[ArbitrarySkepticism reasonable skepticism]] and into [[FlatEarthAtheist outright stubbornness.]]
--->'''Ben:''' Fer cryin' out loud, Franklin's ''nanny'' was a witch!
** ''ComicBook/IronMan'': Tony Stark treats magic as a form of science he admits that he does not understand. Furthermore, if you try attacking him with magic spells, don't get your hopes up since this GadgeteerGenius is often able to counter anything you throw at him with his technology.
** ''ComicBook/RomSpaceKnight'', Played with, as the hero is an alien cyborg wielding advanced technology, whilst the enemy are the Dire Wraiths, who blend magic and science in multiple ways. The Wraiths look like shapechanging demons but are mutated descendants of the alien Skrulls who were outcast for practicing magic, and they survived by fleeing to the Dark Nebula, an [[DeathWorld incredibly lethal]] area of space that ran on sorcerous principles rather than scientific ones. However, the Dire Wraiths were largely confined to the Dark Nebula until a faction of theirs turned to science over sorcery, constructing spacefaring ships they used to ravage the universe beyond their homeworld. After their defeat by the Galadoran Space Knights, they fragmented into two squabbling factions; those who favored magic, and those who favored science, [[MotherNatureFatherScience with females being witches and males being scientists]]. Whilst there were some abortive attempts to combine the two forces, ultimately the females grew sick of the repeated failures of their scientific male kin (despite the fact their sorcery had been no more successful) and [[{{Gendercide}} they wiped them all out]] to relaunch their campaign to conquer Earth relying exclusively on magic.
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* When [[Characters/ShazamBlackMarvelFamily Black Adam]] (about as powerful as Characters/{{Superman|TheCharacter}}, but with no KryptoniteFactor) [[spoiler:goes on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge]] in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' he goes after the {{Mad Scientist}}s on Oolong Island [[spoiler:after he killed the Four Horsemen]]. Most of the Mad Scientists are understandably freaking out. Black Adam easily plows through their defenses. Then one of the Mad Scientists gives the others a pep talk. And then [[spoiler:the Mad Scientists ''kick Black Adam's ass''. They blind him, time freeze him, give him a tesseract concussion, beat and pour acid on him, and give him artificial spasticity in less than a minute]]. Science won hands down this time.
* Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} acknowledges the existence of things such as demons or ghosts, but does not view it as anything ''super''natural, as even magic has its own natural laws and limits. As a matter of fact, during his time training to be Batman, he learnt sleight of hand from Characters/{{Zatanna}} as an assistant in her Vegas magician's act.
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* In ''Comicbook/SaGa'', the Wreathens, who use magic, are at war with the Landfallians, who use extensive technology.
* Doctor Sivana, the main antagonist of ''ComicBook/{{Shazam}}'', is a MadScientist fighting against a hero empowered by a wizard. His disdain for magic over science is consequently a recurring element of his character, though it's a largely one-sided rivalry as the Marvel family show no such attitude towards science. This is played to the hilt in ''ComicBook/TheMultiversity'', where he turns himself into an EvilCounterpart of Captain Marvel powered by scientific principles rather than ancient gods and heroes.
->"You have the strength of Hercules! But mine is the power of the fundamental forces! What chance has the speed of Mercury against the velocity of a photon?"
* In Creator/JamesRobinson's ''Comicbook/{{Starman|DCComics}}'', Ted Knight, the original Starman, is a scientist who reluctantly accepts the existence of a form of energy that hasn't been explained ''yet'', which provides his teammates Comicbook/DoctorFate and Comicbook/TheSpectre with their powers. By contrast, his son Jack (the fourth or fifth Starman) hates learning too much about how the cosmic rod Ted invented actually ''works'' because he prefers to think of it as magic.
* As mentioned above, Reed Richards of the ComicBook/FantasticFour has a lot of issues with magic, and will often claim that it doesn't exist or that it's just another branch of science. It's been proven multiple times that despite being the world's smartest man, Reed has ''never'' been able to get a proper grasp or understanding of magic, but he ''does'' often square off against it with his scientific mind when utilized by various villains. For the record, [[Characters/TheThing Ben Grimm]] once called Reed out on this tendency, and suggested the ''real'' reason Reed never acknowledges magic as real is that he's no longer the smartest man in the room whenever the subject comes up. He also points out that after meeting countless sorcerers and mages over the years, Reed's insistence that magic isn't real has long since crossed the line from [[ArbitrarySkepticism reasonable skepticism]] and into [[FlatEarthAtheist outright stubbornness.]]
-->'''Ben:''' Fer cryin' out loud, Franklin's ''nanny'' was a witch!
* When [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]] goes up against magic in ''ComicBook/MightyAvengers'' he actually makes some headway on defeating it with science. He manages to entrap [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]], both a master of magic and PhysicalGod, with scientific innovation and nullify an EldritchAbomination possessing [[Characters/MarvelComicsQuicksilver Quicksilver]] casting spells at SuperSpeed by scrambling his brain's speech center.
* ''ComicBook/LegendsOfTheDeadEarth'': In ''[[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} The Power of Shazam!]]'' Annual #1, there is a conflict between magic and science on Binderaan. The ruling Science Council strictly enforces an adherence to science as if it were a religion. Those like the Aberrants who reject science in favour of magic are deemed to be non-believers and a threat to Binderaan society.
* As ''ComicBook/TheBooksOfMagic'', where the page quote comes from, explains, magic and science in Franchise/TheDCU are opposed to each other. Where and when one exists in abundance, the other is scarce. The Starheart, the source of Alan Scott's power as the Golden Age ComicBook/GreenLantern, was created by the Guardians of the Universe when they collected Oa's magical energies and ejected from the planet, which allowed the science that led to the creation of the modern Green Lantern Rings to be developed.
* ''ComicBook/JSAClassified'': Despite living in a world where magic and ''vampires'' are definitely real, Mid-Nite and Mr. Terrific double down on the concept of logic vs. superstition when faced with a serial killer who seems to be a vampire. They end up being correct that he's not one, though Mid-Nite notes they still don't have a full explanation for everything off about the man.
* Pretty much anything involving Merklynn and the natives of Prysmos (the Visionaries) as depicted in the ComicBook/HasbroComicUniverse, but mostly Merklynn given that his goal is to obliterate all technology across the galaxy and usher in a new age of magic. In their backstory, Merklynn cast the spell that brought its three suns into alignment, causing all technology on their planet to cease functioning while ushering in a rebirth of magic. At the end of ''ComicBook/FirstStrike'', [[spoiler: Merklynn (in his guise as Garrison Kreiger), activated the [[MacGuffin Talisman]] in an attempt to terraform Cybertron into a new home for his people, but his efforts were stymied, only resulting in the depletion of Cybertron's energy reserves rendering them unconsumable by the Cybertronians and the creation of the enclosed city of New Prysmos]]. Throughout the storyline (especially in the sequel series ''ComicBook/TransformersVsVisionaries''), it is shown that magic is inimical to Cybertronians, causing effects like fatal degradation and rusting, and Merklynn's goal in said sequel series is to finish what he started by completing the transformation (no pun intended) of Cybertron into a new Prysmos using the Talisman (with the help of the Darkling Lords).
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* ''WebVideo/ImAMarvelAndImADC'': In the Randomverse, Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} puts this trope to use in the second season of After Hours. He deduces that something magical is blocking [[Characters/MarvelComicsPeterParker Spider-Man]]'s memories of [[Comicbook/OneMoreDay his marriage]] and tells Joker to have [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Lance]] read his mind. Lance explodes from his systems overloading, as, according to Batman, "Science and magic usually don't mix."
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* ''WebVideo/ImAMarvelAndImADC'': In the Randomverse, Characters/{{Batman|TheCharacter}} puts this trope to use in the second season of After Hours. He deduces that something magical is blocking [[Characters/MarvelComicsPeterParker Spider-Man]]'s memories of [[Comicbook/OneMoreDay [[ComicBook/OneMoreDay his marriage]] and tells Joker to have [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Lance]] read his mind. Lance explodes from his systems overloading, as, according to Batman, "Science and magic usually don't mix."
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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'', Yami Yugi is the Magic to Seto Kaiba's Science. Yami Yugi uses a deck of Warrior, Spellcaster, and Fiend-type monsters, is the spirit of an ancient Egyptian king inside a magical necklace, and believes in destiny. Kaiba by contrast uses a deck of Dragons and Machines, is the designer of the holographic technology that most duelists rely on, and says ScrewDestiny. Kaiba also has absolutely no interest in the magic of the series, though it gets exaggerated in the dub into outright denial that magic exists. Which makes it all the more ironic that Kaiba is also the reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian who is attuned to a magical artifact.
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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'', [[Characters/YuGiOhYamiYugi Yami Yugi Yugi]] is the Magic to [[Characters/YuGiOhSetoKaiba Seto Kaiba's Kaiba's]] Science. Yami Yugi uses a deck of Warrior, Spellcaster, and Fiend-type monsters, is the spirit of an ancient Egyptian king inside a magical necklace, and believes in destiny. Kaiba by contrast uses a deck of Dragons and Machines, is the designer of the holographic technology that most duelists rely on, and says ScrewDestiny. Kaiba also has absolutely no interest in the magic of the series, though it gets exaggerated in the dub into outright denial that magic exists. Which makes it all the more ironic that Kaiba is also the reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian who is attuned to a magical artifact.
