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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': [[Characters/ASongOfIceAndFireJaimeLannister Jaime Lannister]] does take seriously his quest to find Arya and Sansa and keep them safe, even if he can't do it personally. Jaime's just not good at trying to keep this vow. For one, his outfitting Brienne in Lannister steel and giving her Oathkeeper paints a target on her back when [[spoiler:Lady Stoneheart captures Brienne and Pod, threatening to hang them for being associated with the family that killed hers unless Brienne delivers Jaime to her]]. In the meantime, he still has to carry out campaigns against the Tullys, Catelyn's family, and has to threaten her brother's son to get Edmure to cooperate. That he never intended to hurt the baby is besides the point. The Blackfish even calls him out for thinking he had a chance with persuading the Tullys to surrender, and Edmure says he will never stop hating Jaime for what the Lannisters did to his family. Meanwhile, Arya still has Cersei's name on her list of kills, and she is getting better at assassin work so it's unlikely any associate of Jaime's would be able to persuade her that they can be trusted.
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* [[Characters/MarvelComicsOttoOctavius Doctor Octopus]] during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. He wants to prove he can be a hero, even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.

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* [[Characters/MarvelComicsOttoOctavius Doctor Octopus]] during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''.''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan2013''. He wants to prove he can be a hero, even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.

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* Katsuki Bakugo from ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' was gifted with a [[SuperpowerLottery powerful Quirk]], [[GeniusBruiser excellent grades]], and has the ambition to become one of the greatest heroes, however he also has plenty of {{Jerkass}} tendencies that leave many wondering if he is fit to be a hero. [[spoiler:This eventually leads to him being kidnapped by the League of Villains because they think being a villain would fit him better.]] [[spoiler: He later also fails his provisional license exam because he kept insulting the people he was supposed to be rescuing during a mock disaster scenario.]]

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* Katsuki Bakugo from ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' was gifted with a [[SuperpowerLottery powerful Quirk]], [[GeniusBruiser excellent grades]], and has the ambition to become one of the greatest heroes, however he also has plenty of {{Jerkass}} tendencies that leave many wondering if he is fit to be a hero. [[spoiler:This eventually leads to him being kidnapped by the League of Villains because they think being a villain would fit him better.]] [[spoiler: He later also fails his provisional license exam because he kept insulting the people he was supposed to be rescuing during a mock disaster scenario.]]



* The Dark Horse Comics miniseries ''Furious'' revolves around a rookie superheroine who wishes and tries hard to do good, but is humiliated in her first outing and her reaction is to give the person heckling her a super-strong NoHoldsBarredBeatdown, which leads to [[InstantHumiliationJustAddYouTube Internet memedom]], which leads to more heckling, which leads to her developing a HairTriggerTemper and more beatdowns… [[BewareTheSuperman rinse and repeat]], although she definitely still wishes to be a hero in spite of all.



* With ''Fanfic/FailureToExplode'', Katsuki Bakugou's lack of Rescue Points biting him in the ass may be on its way to become a FandomSpecificPlot. In this instance, a fight against a villain going destructively pear-shaped courtesy of GlorySeeker Heroes makes the government decide to modify Hero school acceptance rules so applicants will not be taken in if they don't get even a single Rescue Point during testing (this measure, like the Points themselves, are kept a SecretTestOfCharacter especially because it's so easy to get them - any common-sense act of helping people merits one). Of course, Bakugou gets absolutely none [[ItsAllAboutMe because he cares none about other people]], so he gets no Rescue Points, he is denied entry to UA, and this leads to a severe HumiliationConga.

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* With ''Fanfic/FailureToExplode'', Katsuki Bakugou's lack of Rescue Points biting him in the ass may be on its way to become a FandomSpecificPlot. In this instance, a fight against a villain going destructively pear-shaped courtesy of GlorySeeker Heroes [[PointOfDivergence makes the government decide to modify Hero school acceptance acceptance]] rules so applicants will not be taken in if they don't get even a single Rescue Point during testing (this measure, like the Points themselves, are kept a SecretTestOfCharacter especially because it's so easy to get them - any common-sense act of helping people merits one). Of course, Bakugou gets absolutely none [[ItsAllAboutMe because he cares none about other people]], so he gets no Rescue Points, he is denied entry to UA, and this leads to a severe HumiliationConga.



* In ''Fanfic/TheVigilanteBossAndHisFailedRetirementPlan'' this comes to bite Bakugo (again) in the ass even harder than in canon ''and'' the above example when he takes U.A.'s admission test because the teachers in charge of supervising it notice that while he got a near-perfect Villain Point score, he has absolutely ''zero'' Rescue Points. It is then mentioned that ''everybody else'' who has ever scored high on the test obtained ''at least'' a single Rescue Point, even if accidentally, by stopping to help some fellow test student that was going to get hurt out of basic decency. This raises a red flag, because they now believe that Katsuki [[ItsAllAboutMe gives absolutely zero shits about the rest of the world if it's not directly affecting him]], so they decide to [[PullingTheThread do some additional background research]] and, once they find his history as a bully, they refuse to enroll him because they fear he will be a disruptive student.

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* In ''Fanfic/TheVigilanteBossAndHisFailedRetirementPlan'' this comes to bite Bakugo (again) in the ass even harder than in canon ''and'' the above example when he takes U.A.'s admission test because the teachers in charge of supervising it notice that while he got a near-perfect Villain Point score, he has absolutely ''zero'' Rescue Points. It is then mentioned that ''everybody else'' who has ever scored high on the test obtained ''at least'' a single Rescue Point, even if accidentally, by stopping to help some fellow test student that was going to get hurt out of basic decency. This raises a red flag, because they now believe that Katsuki [[ItsAllAboutMe gives absolutely zero shits about the rest of the world if it's not directly affecting him]], so they decide to [[PullingTheThread do some additional background research]] and, once they find his history as a bully, they [[RefusedByTheCall refuse to enroll him him]] because they fear he will be a disruptive student.
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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.

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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan [[Film/TheThirdMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.
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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Franchise/NineteenEightyFour post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.

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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Franchise/NineteenEightyFour [[Literature/NineteenEightyFour post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.
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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Franchise/1984 post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.

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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Franchise/1984 [[Franchise/NineteenEightyFour post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.
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* [[WritingAroundTrademarks Jimmy]], descendant of ex-masterspy [[Franchise/JamesBond Campion Bond]] wouldn't be said to be a [[DesignatedHero "hero"]] in the classic way we know, and he's always been depicted, and says so himself in both movies and books and other adaptations, that he's just a "blunt instrument" that works for Queen and Country. In ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen's graphic novel, The Black Dossier, he's ostensibly working for "the good guys", the British Government, in a [[Franchise/1984 post-Big Brother]] England, and he's still a ruthless spy, but both of his usual tactics (seducing women and espionage/fighting) are shown to be really incompetent at best, and dangerous to others and ''himself'' at worst, and its stated by the current M and boss of M-16, [[Film/TheThinMan Harry Lime]], that he's still allowed to operate just because of his renown and reputation, [[Film/DrNo and his past accomplishments in defeating a certain evil doctor in Jamaica]]. It's later revealed that [[spoiler: Jimmy actually DIDN'T defeat any Doctor No, because there ''was NO'' doctor, and he lied through his teeth off this accomplishment]]. Later, brutally deconstructed as we're shown that he's actually MUCH better and DANGEROUSLY competent in being [[spoiler: a Bond villain ''himself'', after he rejuvenates and takes over M-16 itself and begins a massive rampage against everything and everyone]]. He wasn't much of a hero to begin with, and he gets worse until the very end.
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* The Green Goblin went through this after his HeelFaceBrainwashing into the ComicBook/GoldGoblin. Even after the Sin Eater cleanses him of his sins and ingrained villainous impulses, Osborn spends much of ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022 barely nicer than his pre-Green Goblin days, acting as a demanding boss to Peter and Kamala Khan, and raising Normie like he did Harry albeit with labored if earnest patience. The ''Gold Goblin'' mini-series even suggests that his attempts at being a superhero are just a way to vent out his frustrations at attempted reform through vigilante violence.

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* [[Characters/MarvelComicsNormanOsborn The Green Goblin Goblin]] went through this after his HeelFaceBrainwashing into the ComicBook/GoldGoblin. Even after the Sin Eater cleanses him of his sins and ingrained villainous impulses, Osborn spends much of ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022 barely nicer than his pre-Green Goblin days, acting as a demanding boss to Peter and Kamala Khan, and raising Normie like he did Harry albeit with labored if earnest patience. The ''Gold Goblin'' mini-series even suggests that his attempts at being a superhero are just a way to vent out his frustrations at attempted reform through vigilante violence.



* DependingOnTheWriter ComicBook/GreenArrow: Even at his worst, Oliver is a good man trying to be better. However, even the most charitable interpretation of his history involves parental neglect (i.e. abandoning Roy Harper to travel the country with Hal Jordan and kicking Roy out of the house when he discovered his drug use) and emotional abuse of longtime girlfriend Dinah Lance. Ollie's biggest issue was once being too possessive/protective of Black Canary, Ollie's solo adventures with Shado and Marianne did make Dinah question Ollie's faithfulness, even before Shado confessed to raping Ollie and having his child. And while it's unclear if Oliver was aware of Connor Hawke's existence in the Rebirth timeline, he still reacted badly to the news that he had an unknown son in the original timeline. While some reboots have offered some explanation for his behavior (such as Oliver's bad experience with heroin in Green Arrow: Year One causing him to ask how anyone could willingly take it), Oliver Queen can still be a self-righteous hypocrite.

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* DependingOnTheWriter ComicBook/GreenArrow: Even at his worst, [[Characters/GreenArrowOliverQueen Oliver Queen]] is a good man trying to be better. However, even the most charitable interpretation of his history involves parental neglect (i.e. abandoning Roy Harper to travel the country with Hal Jordan and kicking Roy out of the house when he discovered his drug use) and emotional abuse of longtime girlfriend Dinah Lance. Ollie's biggest issue was once being too possessive/protective of Black Canary, Ollie's solo adventures with Shado and Marianne did make Dinah question Ollie's faithfulness, even before Shado confessed to raping Ollie and having his child. And while it's unclear if Oliver was aware of Connor Hawke's existence in the Rebirth timeline, he still reacted badly to the news that he had an unknown son in the original timeline. While some reboots have offered some explanation for his behavior (such as Oliver's bad experience with heroin in Green Arrow: Year One causing him to ask how anyone could willingly take it), Oliver Queen can still be a self-righteous hypocrite.



* Dr. Octopus during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. He wants to prove he can be a hero, even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.

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* Dr. Octopus [[Characters/MarvelComicsOttoOctavius Doctor Octopus]] during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. He wants to prove he can be a hero, even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.
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* In ''Fanfic/TheVigilanteBossAndHisFailedRetirementPlan'' this comes to bite Bakugo (again) in the ass even harder than in canon ''and'' the above example when he takes U.A.'s admission test because the teachers in charge of supervising it notice that while he got a near-perfect Villain Point score, he has absolutely ''zero'' Rescue Points. It is then mentioned that ''everybody else'' who has ever scored high on the test obtained ''at least'' a single Rescue Point, even if accidentally, by stopping to help some fellow test student that was going to get hurt out of basic decency. This raises a red flag, because they now believe that Katsuki [[ItsAllAboutMe gives absolutely zero shits about the rest of the world if it's not directly affecting him]], so they decide to [[PullingTheThread do some additional background research]] and, once they find his history as a bully, [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome they refuse to enroll him because they fear he will be a disruptive student]].

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* In ''Fanfic/TheVigilanteBossAndHisFailedRetirementPlan'' this comes to bite Bakugo (again) in the ass even harder than in canon ''and'' the above example when he takes U.A.'s admission test because the teachers in charge of supervising it notice that while he got a near-perfect Villain Point score, he has absolutely ''zero'' Rescue Points. It is then mentioned that ''everybody else'' who has ever scored high on the test obtained ''at least'' a single Rescue Point, even if accidentally, by stopping to help some fellow test student that was going to get hurt out of basic decency. This raises a red flag, because they now believe that Katsuki [[ItsAllAboutMe gives absolutely zero shits about the rest of the world if it's not directly affecting him]], so they decide to [[PullingTheThread do some additional background research]] and, once they find his history as a bully, [[SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome they refuse to enroll him because they fear he will be a disruptive student]].student.
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'''Mysterion:''' [[ItsAllAboutMe For]] '''''[[ItsAllAboutMe you!]]''''' You're making the world a better place '''''[[MoralMyopia for] you!]]'''''\\

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'''Mysterion:''' [[ItsAllAboutMe For]] '''''[[ItsAllAboutMe you!]]''''' You're making the world a better place [[MoralMyopia for]] '''''[[MoralMyopia for] you!]]'''''\\
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-->'''Mysterion:''' You are the bad guy, Cartman! YOU!\\

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-->'''Mysterion:''' You are the bad guy, Cartman! YOU!\\'''''You!'''''\\
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'''Mysterion:''' [[ItsAllAboutMe FOR YOU]]!!! You're making the world a better place [[MoralMyopia FOR YOU]]!\\

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'''Mysterion:''' [[ItsAllAboutMe FOR YOU]]!!! For]] '''''[[ItsAllAboutMe you!]]''''' You're making the world a better place [[MoralMyopia FOR YOU]]!\\'''''[[MoralMyopia for] you!]]'''''\\
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* Jinx in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' to an extent. Part of why she became a villain in the first place was because her [[WindsOfDestinyChange power to screw everything up]] [[BadPowersBadPeople corresponded the most with villainy]]. By series' end, she pulls a HeelFaceTurn and gets it mostly right this time.

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* Jinx in ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003'' to an extent. Part of why she became a villain in the first place was because her [[WindsOfDestinyChange power to screw everything up]] [[BadPowersBadPeople corresponded the most with villainy]]. By series' end, she pulls a HeelFaceTurn and gets it mostly right this time.
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' with patriarch [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Rusty Venture]], a MadScientist and JadedWashout who just wants to be a respected scientist and leave his [[AbusiveParents abusive]] FakeUltimateHero father's [[StuckInTheirShadow shadow]]. However, he ends up [[ParentalNeglect neglecting his own sons]] and his contributions to the scientific community are morally dubious at best. Examples include a SoulJar for his sons, a LotusEaterMachine fueled by an orphan's heart (that became the TropeNamer for ''PoweredByAForsakenChild''), and a FrankensteinsMonster (that became the page image for CameBackWrong). One episode in particular has the AffablyEvil Dr. Killinger show him that he would be much more successful as a supervillain, upon which he has a HeelRealization. [[IgnoredEpiphany In spite of this]], after inheriting his brother's company he almost immediately gets into hot water for performing MindControl experiments. In the GrandFinale he has to prevent a ColonyDrop from destroying Manhattan, and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere attempts to just save himself]] but experiences ConscienceMakesYouGoBack.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBros'' with patriarch [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Rusty Venture]], a MadScientist and JadedWashout who just wants to be a respected scientist and leave his [[AbusiveParents abusive]] FakeUltimateHero father's [[StuckInTheirShadow shadow]]. However, he ends up [[ParentalNeglect neglecting his own sons]] and his contributions to the scientific community are morally dubious at best. Examples include a SoulJar for his sons, a LotusEaterMachine fueled by an orphan's heart (that became the TropeNamer for ''PoweredByAForsakenChild''), and a FrankensteinsMonster (that became the page image for CameBackWrong). One episode in particular has the AffablyEvil Dr. Killinger show him that he would be much more successful as a supervillain, upon which he has a HeelRealization. [[IgnoredEpiphany In spite of this]], after inheriting his brother's company he almost immediately gets into hot water for performing MindControl experiments. In the GrandFinale he has to prevent a ColonyDrop from destroying Manhattan, and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere attempts to just save himself]] but experiences ConscienceMakesYouGoBack.
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* With ''Fanfic/FailureToExplode'', Katsuki Bakugou's lack of Rescue Points biting him in the ass may be on its way to become a FandomSpecificPlot. In this instance, [[ForWantOfANail a fight against a villain going destructively pear-shaped]] courtesy of GlorySeeker Heroes makes the government decide to modify Hero school acceptance rules so applicants will not be taken in if they don't get even a single Rescue Point during testing (this measure, like the Points themselves, are kept a SecretTestOfCharacter especially because it's so easy to get them - any common-sense act of helping people merits one). Of course, Bakugou gets absolutely none [[ItsAllAboutMe because he cares none about other people]], so he gets no Rescue Points, he is denied entry to UA, and this leads to a severe HumiliationConga.

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* With ''Fanfic/FailureToExplode'', Katsuki Bakugou's lack of Rescue Points biting him in the ass may be on its way to become a FandomSpecificPlot. In this instance, [[ForWantOfANail a fight against a villain going destructively pear-shaped]] pear-shaped courtesy of GlorySeeker Heroes makes the government decide to modify Hero school acceptance rules so applicants will not be taken in if they don't get even a single Rescue Point during testing (this measure, like the Points themselves, are kept a SecretTestOfCharacter especially because it's so easy to get them - any common-sense act of helping people merits one). Of course, Bakugou gets absolutely none [[ItsAllAboutMe because he cares none about other people]], so he gets no Rescue Points, he is denied entry to UA, and this leads to a severe HumiliationConga.
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* [[Characters/MiraculousLadybugChloeBourgeois Chloe Bourgeois]] of ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' becomes one of these when she stumbles into the Bee Miraculous. As Queen Bee, her first impulse is to [[EngineeredHeroics stage a disaster so she can look good saving everyone]], and when Ladybug discovers what she did and points it out, Chloe doesn't even seem concerned until people start remarking on how irresponsible it was. Ladybug does later agree to give her a second chance, and she seems to improve for a while, but her ItsAllAboutMe attitude shines through whether in or out of the suit, and she's very dismissive of the other members of Ladybug's team save Ladybug herself. She then becomes incredibly offended when she doesn't get called in for a mission involving her parents, to the point that she sides with [[BigBad Hawk Moth]], getting her apparently permanently kicked off the team. In a later episode, she [[ThePrimaDonna takes over a film that the other characters were creating]], inserts herself as a superheroine in the lead role, and declares that her character would not rescue the other characters in the film who have been rendered unconscious.

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* [[Characters/MiraculousLadybugChloeBourgeois Chloe Chloé Bourgeois]] of ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' becomes one of these when she stumbles into the Bee Miraculous. As Queen Bee, her first impulse is to [[EngineeredHeroics stage a disaster so she can look good saving everyone]], and when Ladybug discovers what she did and points it out, Chloe Chloé doesn't even seem concerned until people start remarking on how irresponsible it was. Ladybug does later agree to give her a second chance, and she seems to improve for a while, but her ItsAllAboutMe attitude shines through whether in or out of the suit, and she's very dismissive of the other members of Ladybug's team save Ladybug herself. She then becomes incredibly offended when she doesn't get called in for a mission involving her parents, to the point that she sides with [[BigBad Hawk Moth]], getting her apparently permanently kicked off the team. In a later episode, she [[ThePrimaDonna takes over a film that the other characters were creating]], inserts herself as a superheroine in the lead role, and declares that her character would not rescue the other characters in the film who have been rendered unconscious.

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* HalfBakedNiceness: Both are trying to do something good, but the concept of "good" differs; the Hero with an F in Good fails at being a good guy, while someone giving out half-baked niceness fails at giving a good compliment.



Compare TheTeamWannabe and UnderlingWithAnFInPR. Contrast NominalHero and TokenEvilTeammate.

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Compare TheTeamWannabe TheTeamWannabe, UnderlingWithAnFInPR and UnderlingWithAnFInPR.HalfBakedNiceness. Contrast NominalHero and TokenEvilTeammate.

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* MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold: both are genuinely well-intentioned characters with a negative reputation, but only the Hero with an F in Good deserves it.
* DesignatedHero: both want to be seen as the IdealHero, but while the Hero with an F in Good honestly tries and fails, the DesignatedHero does not care and still gets away with laziness. Furthermore, the DesignatedHero's flaws are obvious only to the audience, whereas the Hero with an F in Good's flaws are noticed by the other characters. The former character type is subjective, while the latter character type is objective.

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* MisunderstoodLonerWithAHeartOfGold: both Both are genuinely well-intentioned characters with a negative reputation, but only the Hero with an F in Good deserves it.
* DesignatedHero: both Both want to be seen as the IdealHero, but while the Hero with an F in Good honestly tries and fails, the DesignatedHero does not care and still gets away with laziness. Furthermore, the DesignatedHero's flaws are obvious only to the audience, whereas the Hero with an F in Good's flaws are noticed by the other characters. The former character type is subjective, while the latter character type is objective.objective.
* HalfBakedNiceness: Both are trying to do something good, but the concept of "good" differs; the Hero with an F in Good fails at being a good guy, while someone giving out half-baked niceness fails at giving a good compliment.
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** Half of this show's cast fits this to varying degrees, as even the protagonists are often TheMafia, a NobleDemon, a liquor bootlegger, etc. Also note ''Durarara'''s entry as well. The author, Ryhogo Narita, is in love with this trope.

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** Half of this show's cast fits this to varying degrees, as even the protagonists are often TheMafia, a NobleDemon, a liquor bootlegger, etc. Also note ''Durarara'''s entry as well. The author, Ryhogo Narita, is in love with this trope.



* ''Literature/{{Durarara}}'': Shizuo Heiwajima is definitely a nice guy underneath judging from his inner monologues (maybe even too nice) -- it's just that his [[HairTriggerTemper massive anger issues]] and UnstoppableRage tend not to discriminate between bad guys and innocents. After all, how accurate can you be with a thrown vending machine?

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* ''Literature/{{Durarara}}'': Shizuo Heiwajima is definitely a nice guy underneath judging from his inner monologues (maybe even too nice) -- it's just that his [[HairTriggerTemper massive anger issues]] and UnstoppableRage tend not to discriminate between bad guys and innocents. After all, how he can't be that accurate can you be with a thrown vending machine?machine.



* ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'' Averted in "The Gang Gets Extreme Home Makeover Edition". The gang tried to do something nice by giving an immigrant family a home-make-over, only for it to lead to an AccidentalKidnapping situation. So you'd think it'd be this. But it was clear from the beginning that they're only doing it for some karmic reward and not the goodness of their heart.

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* ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'' Averted ''Series/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphia'': Subverted in "The "[[Recap/ItsAlwaysSunnyInPhiladelphiaS04E12TheGangGetsExtremeHomeMakeover The Gang Gets Extreme Home Makeover Edition".Edition]]". The gang tried to do something nice by giving an immigrant family a home-make-over, only for it to lead to an AccidentalKidnapping situation. So you'd think it'd be this. But it was clear from the beginning that they're only doing it for some karmic reward and not the goodness of their heart.



** In the episodes "Get a Life, Don't Save One!" and "Bluster the Benevolent," [[RichBitch Bluster Kong]] tries to legitimately help DK and his fellow apes, but his attempts are so destructive (not to mention annoying and overblown) that WeWantOurJerkBack ensues. In one episode, Bluster successfully steals the [[MacGuffin Crystal Coconut]] and loses it. He then proceeds to work against DK and Diddy to retrieve it because he wants to be the hero, but just hands it over when asked by Klump out of fear. When it comes down to it, Bluster's selfishness and cowardice overpower any good he's attempting to do.
** Also, Klump in "Klump's Lumps"; when allowed to stay with the apes after being fired by King K.Rool, proves to be just as big a bungler when it comes to doing them good as he was helping K.Rool's schemes.

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** In the episodes "Get "[[Recap/DonkeyKongCountryS1E10GetALifeDontSaveOne Get a Life, Don't Save One!" One!]]" and "Bluster the Benevolent," [[RichBitch Bluster Kong]] tries to legitimately help DK and his fellow apes, but his attempts are so destructive (not to mention annoying and overblown) that WeWantOurJerkBack ensues. In one episode, Bluster successfully steals the [[MacGuffin Crystal Coconut]] and loses it. He then proceeds to work against DK and Diddy to retrieve it because he wants to be the hero, but just hands it over when asked by Klump out of fear. When it comes down to it, Bluster's selfishness and cowardice overpower any good he's attempting to do.
** Also, Klump in "Klump's Lumps"; "[[Recap/DonkeyKongCountryS1E15KlumpsLumps Klump's Lumps]]"; when allowed to stay with the apes after being fired by King K.Rool, proves to be just as big a bungler when it comes to doing them good as he was helping K.Rool's schemes.



** Zapp can be this when he's not an antagonist. Disturbingly incompetent and overtly contemptuous of his own men, he launches a war of aggression ForTheEvulz in "War is the H-Word".

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** Zapp can be this when he's not an antagonist. Disturbingly incompetent and overtly contemptuous of his own men, he launches a war of aggression ForTheEvulz in "War "[[Recap/FuturamaS2E17WarIsTheHWord War is the H-Word".H-Word]]".

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* Karl from ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures: ComicBook/TheAvengers''. He used to be a MinionWithAnFInEvil but reformed, meaning he's now more of a danger to the Avengers than he ever was before. Basically Karl is successful at everything that's NOT what he's currently trying to accomplish, as exemplified by him nearly tearing the Avengers apart with a Hate Beam [[ViolationOfCommonSense thinking this would improve their teamwork]].
* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} in general. They are supposed to be a super police force to respond to superhuman threats, but they regularly screw up, make things worse, or were the cause of it from the beginning.
* Magog from the ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' exemplifies this in his modern incarnation.
* ComicBook/PlasticMan from the ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' is frequently this, betrayed by his criminal background and frivolous, comedic personality.
* DependingOnTheWriter ComicBook/GreenArrow: Even at his worst, Oliver is a good man trying to be better. However, even the most charitable interpretation of his history involves parental neglect (i.e. abandoning Roy Harper to travel the country with Hal Jordan and kicking Roy out of the house when he discovered his drug use) and emotional abuse of longtime girlfriend Dinah Lance. Ollie's biggest issue was once being too possessive/protective of Black Canary, Ollie's solo adventures with Shado and Marianne did make Dinah question Ollie's faithfulness, even before Shado confessed to raping Ollie and having his child. And while it's unclear if Oliver was aware of Connor Hawke's existence in the Rebirth timeline, he still reacted badly to the news that he had an unknown son in the original timeline. While some reboots have offered some explanation for his behavior (such as Oliver's bad experience with heroin in Green Arrow: Year One causing him to ask how anyone could willingly take it), Oliver Queen can still be a self-righteous hypocrite.
* ''ComicBook/{{Bizarrogirl}}'' in the eponymous ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' storyline. Bizarrogirl's more genuinely stupid than suffering from the usual Bizarro backwards logic. She's ''pretty'' destructive even if she doesn't usually mean it. As she grows to understand other people she becomes more genuinely heroic.
* DependingOnTheWriter, ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} can be this when he tries to be a good guy. He's too violent and psychotic to really pull off being a hero, too conflicted and silly to really be a villain, and tends to swing between AntiHero and AntiVillain like a pendulum. Most of the heroes of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse can't stand working with him (Cable and Siryn being rare exceptions), and considering it's a CrapsackWorld where even guys like ComicBook/ThePunisher and the [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk Hulk]] are afforded some respect and trust, that's saying something. F in Good or in Evil, depending on your side: during the ComicBook/CivilWar storyline, he becomes a registration enforcer... then he attacks superhero groups because he doesn't check that they ''had'' registered!
* Max Damage from ''[[ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} Incorruptible]]''. He got scared straight when the resident CaptainErsatz of Franchise/{{Superman}} snapped and went on a rampage. The book's about his struggle to redeem himself, but all he knows about being good is "do the opposite of what you used to do".
* ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', God's Angel of Vengeance, has such a horrifically skewed sense of proportion and priorities that he needs to be kept bound to a morally upstanding human soul just to reach the level of GoodIsNotNice SociopathicHero. That's right, not only did he get an F in good, but God gave him a cheat sheet, and he's still only getting Cs and Ds. The [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] version of the Spectre is a lot less vengeful but makes up for it by being incompetent, such as the time he restored [[Franchise/TheFlash Wally West's]] secret identity by making everyone in the world forget who the Flash was. Including Wally.
* ComicBook/BoosterGold before he grew out of it. Aside from being big on corporate sponsorship, Booster once opened a Justice League-themed casino using the entirety of the League's funds without the League's consent to use the funds or their endorsement. He also stole all the tech he uses to fight crime as well as the time machine he used to escape to the past. His partner in the casino venture, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, would fall into this category too, but he had a longer history of heroism and only got into this sort of trouble when Booster was around.



* Dr. Octopus during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. He wants to prove he can be a hero, even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.

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* Dr. Octopus during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. He wants to prove he DependingOnTheWriter, ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} can be this when he tries to be a good guy. He's too violent and psychotic to really pull off being a hero, too conflicted and silly to really be a villain, and tends to swing between AntiHero and AntiVillain like a pendulum. Most of the heroes of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse can't stand working with him (Cable and Siryn being rare exceptions), and considering it's a CrapsackWorld where even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego guys like ComicBook/ThePunisher and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk Hulk]] are afforded some respect and trust, that's saying something. F in Good or in Evil, depending on your side: during the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.ComicBook/{{Civil War|2006}} storyline, he becomes a registration enforcer... then he attacks superhero groups because he doesn't check that they ''had'' registered!



* Magog from the ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' exemplifies this in his modern incarnation.
* Karl from ''ComicBook/MarvelAdventures: ComicBook/TheAvengers''. He used to be a MinionWithAnFInEvil but reformed, meaning he's now more of a danger to the Avengers than he ever was before. Basically Karl is successful at everything that's NOT what he's currently trying to accomplish, as exemplified by him nearly tearing the Avengers apart with a Hate Beam [[ViolationOfCommonSense thinking this would improve their teamwork]].
* ''ComicBook/{{Bizarrogirl}}'' in the eponymous ''ComicBook/{{Supergirl}}'' storyline. Bizarrogirl's more genuinely stupid than suffering from the usual Bizarro backwards logic. She's ''pretty'' destructive even if she doesn't usually mean it. As she grows to understand other people she becomes more genuinely heroic.
* ComicBook/BoosterGold before he grew out of it. Aside from being big on corporate sponsorship, Booster once opened a Justice League-themed casino using the entirety of the League's funds without the League's consent to use the funds or their endorsement. He also stole all the tech he uses to fight crime as well as the time machine he used to escape to the past. His partner in the casino venture, ComicBook/BlueBeetle, would fall into this category too, but he had a longer history of heroism and only got into this sort of trouble when Booster was around.
* DependingOnTheWriter ComicBook/GreenArrow: Even at his worst, Oliver is a good man trying to be better. However, even the most charitable interpretation of his history involves parental neglect (i.e. abandoning Roy Harper to travel the country with Hal Jordan and kicking Roy out of the house when he discovered his drug use) and emotional abuse of longtime girlfriend Dinah Lance. Ollie's biggest issue was once being too possessive/protective of Black Canary, Ollie's solo adventures with Shado and Marianne did make Dinah question Ollie's faithfulness, even before Shado confessed to raping Ollie and having his child. And while it's unclear if Oliver was aware of Connor Hawke's existence in the Rebirth timeline, he still reacted badly to the news that he had an unknown son in the original timeline. While some reboots have offered some explanation for his behavior (such as Oliver's bad experience with heroin in Green Arrow: Year One causing him to ask how anyone could willingly take it), Oliver Queen can still be a self-righteous hypocrite.
* Max Damage from ''[[ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} Incorruptible]]''. He got scared straight when the resident CaptainErsatz of Franchise/{{Superman}} snapped and went on a rampage. The book's about his struggle to redeem himself, but all he knows about being good is "do the opposite of what you used to do".
* ComicBook/PlasticMan from the ''Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica'' is frequently this, betrayed by his criminal background and frivolous, comedic personality.



* ComicBook/{{SHIELD}} in general. They are supposed to be a super police force to respond to superhuman threats, but they regularly screw up, make things worse, or were the cause of it from the beginning.



* ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', God's Angel of Vengeance, has such a horrifically skewed sense of proportion and priorities that he needs to be kept bound to a morally upstanding human soul just to reach the level of GoodIsNotNice SociopathicHero. That's right, not only did he get an F in good, but God gave him a cheat sheet, and he's still only getting Cs and Ds. The [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] version of the Spectre is a lot less vengeful but makes up for it by being incompetent, such as the time he restored [[Franchise/TheFlash Wally West's]] secret identity by making everyone in the world forget who the Flash was. Including Wally.
* Dr. Octopus during ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan''. He wants to prove he can be a hero, even more be a better Spider-Man than Peter Parker ever was, but his ego and overthinking the situation causes him to make things go down the drain and destroys any goodwill Spidey had brought up.



* Creator/CoeurAlAran tends to write Team WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} as this in his fics, particularly in non-comedic works, with the four of them often running on ProtagonistCenteredMorality and throwing themself at anything they think is bad without bringing it to the attention of the teachers or the authorities.
* In ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fanfic ''[[http://games.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600080788 A Rose And A Thorn 4: Origins]]'', the OC Project: Midnight desperately wants to help save the Ark, but his anger issues and inferiority complex actually cause a good chunk of the Ark's problems.



* In ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog'' fanfic ''[[http://games.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600080788 A Rose And A Thorn 4: Origins]]'', the OC Project: Midnight desperately wants to help save the Ark, but his anger issues and inferiority complex actually cause a good chunk of the Ark's problems.
* Creator/CoeurAlAran tends to write Team WebAnimation/{{RWBY}} as this in his fics, particularly in non-comedic works, with the four of them often running on ProtagonistCenteredMorality and throwing themself at anything they think is bad without bringing it to the attention of the teachers or the authorities.



* ''Series/{{Angel}}'':
** In the comics, Illyria's road to heroism hits a few roadblocks. To prevent a demon from leeching off Jeremy's energy, she dutifully punches a hole clean through Jeremy's chest. Ouch.
** In the climax of "After the Fall", she reverts to her primordial demon form due to the machinations of Gunn and starts wrecking Los Angeles. The Senior Partners fix her so she returns to "normal".
* The superhero team The Seven in ''Series/TheBoys2019''. Once in a blue moon, they'll actually try to be heroes. However, they lack skill with their powers, pay little mind to collateral damage and Vought is very selective about which crimes they can prevent. [[spoiler:Notable examples include The Deep's attempt to save a dolphin, the barbaric mishandling of Flight 37, and Hughie's girlfriend Robin's (accidental) murder at the hands of the speedster A-Train.]]
* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** Spike from seasons 5 and 6 frequently falls into this trope, often doing things not because it's right but because it's what Buffy would want.
--->'''Spike:''' I'm not sampling, I'll have you know. Just look at all these lovely blood-covered people. I could, but not a taste for Spike, not a lick. Knew you wouldn't like it.\\

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* ''Series/{{Angel}}'':
Franchise/{{Buffyverse}}:
** In the comics, Illyria's road to heroism hits a few roadblocks. To prevent a demon from leeching off Jeremy's energy, she dutifully punches a hole clean through Jeremy's chest. Ouch.
** In the climax of "After the Fall", she reverts to her primordial demon form due to the machinations of Gunn and starts wrecking Los Angeles. The Senior Partners fix her so she returns to "normal".
* The superhero team The Seven in ''Series/TheBoys2019''. Once in a blue moon, they'll actually try to be heroes. However, they lack skill with their powers, pay little mind to collateral damage and Vought is very selective about which crimes they can prevent. [[spoiler:Notable examples include The Deep's attempt to save a dolphin, the barbaric mishandling of Flight 37, and Hughie's girlfriend Robin's (accidental) murder at the hands of the speedster A-Train.]]
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''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** *** Spike from seasons 5 and 6 frequently falls into this trope, often doing things not because it's right but because it's what Buffy would want.
--->'''Spike:''' ---->'''Spike:''' I'm not sampling, I'll have you know. Just look at all these lovely blood-covered people. I could, but not a taste for Spike, not a lick. Knew you wouldn't like it.\\



** It starts back in season 4 when he's ''"forced"'' by his condition (he only could hurt monsters, but not humans) to fight alongside the good guys.

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** *** It starts back in season 4 when he's ''"forced"'' by his condition (he only could hurt monsters, but not humans) to fight alongside the good guys.



** ''Series/{{Angel}}'':
*** In the comics, Illyria's road to heroism hits a few roadblocks. To prevent a demon from leeching off Jeremy's energy, she dutifully punches a hole clean through Jeremy's chest. Ouch.
*** In the climax of "After the Fall", she reverts to her primordial demon form due to the machinations of Gunn and starts wrecking Los Angeles. The Senior Partners fix her so she returns to "normal".
* The superhero team The Seven in ''Series/TheBoys2019''. Once in a blue moon, they'll actually try to be heroes. However, they lack skill with their powers, pay little mind to collateral damage and Vought is very selective about which crimes they can prevent. [[spoiler:Notable examples include The Deep's attempt to save a dolphin, the barbaric mishandling of Flight 37, and Hughie's girlfriend Robin's (accidental) murder at the hands of the speedster A-Train.]]



* In Season 2 of ''VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries'', depending on your choices, you can see [[spoiler:''ComicBook/TheJoker'' [[AdaptationalNiceGuy of all people]] become a vigilante like Batman, instead of a criminal. Unfortunately, because of his emotional instability and general [[AxCrazy Ax-Craziness]], he eventually devolves into this, especially as he struggles with Batman's [[ThouShaltNotKill biggest rule]]. When he finally snaps, Batman has to take him down, after which [[HeelRealization he will tearfully admit that he just isn't cut out to be a hero]]. Thankfully, if you tell him that [[WasItAllALie his friendship did genuinely mean something to you and you weren't just using him to infiltrate the Pact]], it ends on a [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet note]] in the PostCreditsScene where John is locked in Arkham Asylum and Bruce comes to visit him, showing that Bruce still believes in him and there's hope for him to be a good person yet]].
* Mr. Torgue from the ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' DLC pack "Campaign of Carnage" is a nice guy, but a bit too reckless and [[TestosteronePoisoning testosterone-pumped]] for his own good.



* ''VideoGame/Fallout4'':
** TokenEvilTeammate Strong is a [[OurOrcsAreDifferent super mutant]] who learned about "[[Theatre/{{Macbeth}} the milk of human kindness]]" and wants to be a better person. Unfortunately, compared to super mutant companions from previous ''Fallout'' games, he sucks at it because he's [[DumbMuscle too stupid]] to realize that cannibalism and random acts of murder aren't acceptable in most human company. It doesn't help that he's also [[LiteralMinded too stupid to understand metaphors]] and thinks the milk of human kindness is an actual drink that will turn him into a good person once consumed, so he makes no effort to actually better himself beyond searching for it. Nonetheless, he does tend to approve of helping people and tends to be upset at selfish options, so there's that.
** The Institute is the game's BigBad and is a faction of StupidEvil WellIntentionedExtremist {{Mad Scientist}}s who claim to want to forge a better future for The Commonwealth... except ''they're'' the ones who destabilized the region in the first place. They habitually KillAndReplace people with RidiculouslyHumanRobots while sending the less human ones to raze towns for parts, destroyed the attempt to form a regional government and killed all the representatives present ''for no reason'', and created the AlwaysChaoticEvil Super Mutants (''[[ForScience again, for no reason]]'') before unleashing them on the surface once they got bored of them. They spend the entirety of the game claiming to have humanity's best interests at heart, but for the entirety of their postwar history acted as nothing more than a detriment.



* With his penchant for believing ObviouslyEvil villains, Terra in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' is this. He eventually grows to a B- by the game's end.
* David Madsen from ''VideoGame/LifeIsStrange'' genuinely wants and tries to protect his stepdaughter Chloe and the students of Blackwell Academy, but his paranoia makes him go too far. It's the reason why [[RefusedByTheCall the police rejected him]].



* Peacock from ''VideoGame/{{Skullgirls}}'' is basically on the side of good, opposing [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Marie]] and [[TheMafia the Medici Mafia]], but she's borderline AxCrazy and frequently ends up in [[LetsYouAndHimFight fights with allies and potential allies]] who she deems to be in her way.
* Captain Martin Walker, protagonist of ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'', was sent to Dubai six months after monster sandstorms wrecked the city to find out what happened to the 33rd Infantry Battalion, its commander Colonel Konrad, and the civilians they tried and failed to evacuate. Walker's orders are to simply find survivors, pull back, and report to his superiors, but when Walker blunders into a civil war between the rogue soldiers, he decides to get involved to try to fix things. He fails -- first Walker kills US soldiers in self-defense when they mistake him for a CIA operative inciting the civil war, then he uses banned white phosphorus mortars on a camp between him and his next objective ([[spoiler:inadvertently massacring civilians in the process]]), and when he decides to help the local (also possibly rogue) CIA team put an end to the conflict, [[spoiler:they trick him into destroying the city's water supply, dooming thousands to die of thirst]]. In short, everyone would have been better off if Walker had simply turned around after the game's first chapter.
-->'''[[BigBad Col. Konrad]]:''' [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech You're no hero]]. [[DestructiveSavior Your talents lie elsewhere.]]



* Mr. Torgue from the ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' DLC pack "Campaign of Carnage" is a nice guy, but a bit too reckless and [[TestosteronePoisoning testosterone-pumped]] for his own good.
* Captain Martin Walker, protagonist of ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'', was sent to Dubai six months after monster sandstorms wrecked the city to find out what happened to the 33rd Infantry Battalion, its commander Colonel Konrad, and the civilians they tried and failed to evacuate. Walker's orders are to simply find survivors, pull back, and report to his superiors, but when Walker blunders into a civil war between the rogue soldiers, he decides to get involved to try to fix things. He fails -- first Walker kills US soldiers in self-defense when they mistake him for a CIA operative inciting the civil war, then he uses banned white phosphorus mortars on a camp between him and his next objective ([[spoiler:inadvertently massacring civilians in the process]]), and when he decides to help the local (also possibly rogue) CIA team put an end to the conflict, [[spoiler:they trick him into destroying the city's water supply, dooming thousands to die of thirst]]. In short, everyone would have been better off if Walker had simply turned around after the game's first chapter.
-->'''[[BigBad Col. Konrad]]:''' [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech You're no hero]]. [[DestructiveSavior Your talents lie elsewhere.]]
* Peacock from ''VideoGame/{{Skullgirls}}'' is basically on the side of good, opposing [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Marie]] and [[TheMafia the Medici Mafia]], but she's borderline AxCrazy and frequently ends up in [[LetsYouAndHimFight fights with allies and potential allies]] who she deems to be in her way.

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* Mr. Torgue from the ''VideoGame/{{Borderlands 2}}'' DLC pack "Campaign of Carnage" is a nice guy, but a bit too reckless and [[TestosteronePoisoning testosterone-pumped]] for his own good.
* Captain Martin Walker, protagonist of ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'', was sent to Dubai six months after monster sandstorms wrecked the city to find out what happened to the 33rd Infantry Battalion, its commander Colonel Konrad, and the civilians they tried and failed to evacuate. Walker's orders are to simply find survivors, pull back, and report to his superiors, but when Walker blunders into a civil war between the rogue soldiers, he decides to get involved to try to fix things. He fails -- first Walker kills US soldiers in self-defense when they mistake him for a CIA operative inciting the civil war, then he uses banned white phosphorus mortars on a camp between him and his next objective ([[spoiler:inadvertently massacring civilians in the process]]), and when he decides to help the local (also possibly rogue) CIA team put an end to the conflict, [[spoiler:they trick him into destroying the city's water supply, dooming thousands to die of thirst]]. In short, everyone would have been better off if Walker had simply turned around after the game's first chapter.
-->'''[[BigBad Col. Konrad]]:''' [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech You're no hero]]. [[DestructiveSavior Your talents lie elsewhere.]]
* Peacock from ''VideoGame/{{Skullgirls}}'' is basically on the side of good, opposing [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Marie]] and [[TheMafia the Medici Mafia]], but she's borderline AxCrazy and frequently ends up in [[LetsYouAndHimFight fights with allies and potential allies]] who she deems to be in her way.
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* With his penchant for believing ObviouslyEvil villains, Terra in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'' is this. He eventually grows to a B- by the game's end.
* ''VideoGame/Fallout4'':
** TokenEvilTeammate Strong is a [[OurOrcsAreDifferent super mutant]] who learned about "[[Theatre/{{Macbeth}} the milk of human kindness]]" and wants to be a better person. Unfortunately, compared to super mutant companions from previous ''Fallout'' games, he sucks at it because he's [[DumbMuscle too stupid]] to realize that cannibalism and random acts of murder aren't acceptable in most human company. It doesn't help that he's also [[LiteralMinded too stupid to understand metaphors]] and thinks the milk of human kindness is an actual drink that will turn him into a good person once consumed, so he makes no effort to actually better himself beyond searching for it. Nonetheless, he does tend to approve of helping people and tends to be upset at selfish options, so there's that.
** The Institute is the game's BigBad and is a faction of StupidEvil WellIntentionedExtremist {{Mad Scientist}}s who claim to want to forge a better future for The Commonwealth... except ''they're'' the ones who destabilized the region in the first place. They habitually KillAndReplace people with RidiculouslyHumanRobots while sending the less human ones to raze towns for parts, destroyed the attempt to form a regional government and killed all the representatives present ''for no reason'', and created the AlwaysChaoticEvil Super Mutants (''[[ForScience again, for no reason]]'') before unleashing them on the surface once they got bored of them. They spend the entirety of the game claiming to have humanity's best interests at heart, but for the entirety of their postwar history acted as nothing more than a detriment.
* David Madsen from ''VideoGame/LifeIsStrange'' genuinely wants and tries to protect his stepdaughter Chloe and the students of Blackwell Academy, but his paranoia makes him go too far. It's the reason why [[RefusedByTheCall the police rejected him]].
* In Season 2 of ''VideoGame/BatmanTheTelltaleSeries'', depending on your choices, you can see [[spoiler:''ComicBook/TheJoker'' [[AdaptationalNiceGuy of all people]] become a vigilante like Batman, instead of a criminal. Unfortunately, because of his emotional instability and general [[AxCrazy Ax-Craziness]], he eventually devolves into this, especially as he struggles with Batman's [[ThouShaltNotKill biggest rule]]. When he finally snaps, Batman has to take him down, after which [[HeelRealization he will tearfully admit that he just isn't cut out to be a hero]]. Thankfully, if you tell him that [[WasItAllALie his friendship did genuinely mean something to you and you weren't just using him to infiltrate the Pact]], it ends on a [[BittersweetEnding bittersweet note]] in the PostCreditsScene where John is locked in Arkham Asylum and Bruce comes to visit him, showing that Bruce still believes in him and there's hope for him to be a good person yet]].



* Gawaine in ''Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace''. He ''understands'' why Arthur's code of chivalry is better than the old "might is right" philosophy (sort of) but well, he ''was'' raised by Morguase and Lot, so it's sometimes hard for him to act accordingly. He does try though, at least until [[spoiler:health problems lead to him siding more with Agrivaine]].
* ''Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids'': The party are ostensibly the good guys, but as all too often occurs in the sort of tabletop games the series lampoons, [[OffTheRails they instead end up being the cause of most of the problems they face]]. Ben and Corey are about the only ones who take their role as good guys seriously; all the other players gleefully embrace the VideoGameCrueltyPotential or are just plain ''suck'' at being heroes.
-->'''Yoda''': (''after hearing a long-winded explanation of how Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan engaged in numerous highly illegal activities — including but not limited to theft, kidnapping, human trafficking, blackmail, and conspiracy — [[EpicFail on what was to be a diplomatic mission]]'') Hmmm. [[{{Understatement}} Remedial course on Jedi ethics, you need]].



* Gawaine in ''Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace''. He ''understands'' why Arthur's code of chivalry is better than the old "might is right" philosophy ([[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/1323.htm sort of]]) but well, he ''was'' [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0593.htm raised by Morguase and Lot]], so it's [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/0825.htm sometimes hard for him to act accordingly]]. [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/1215.htm He does try though]], at least until [[spoiler: [[http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com/2766.htm health problems lead to him siding more with Agrivaine]]]].



%%* ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'': Oasis does try, [[BrainwashedAndCrazy but]] [[{{Yandere}} she]] [[AxeCrazy gets]] [[PsychopathicManchild an F-]].%%Chained sinkholes, ZCE
%%-->'''Kareen Zalia:''' Great. Now ''you'' think she's some kind of superhero too!\\



* ''Webcomic/DarthsAndDroids'': The party are ostensibly the good guys, but as all too often occurs in the sort of tabletop games the series lampoons, [[OffTheRails they instead end up being the cause of most of the problems they face]]. Ben and Corey are about the only ones who take their role as good guys seriously; all the other players gleefully embrace the VideoGameCrueltyPotential or are just plain ''suck'' at being heroes.
-->'''Yoda''': (''after hearing a long-winded explanation of how Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan engaged in numerous highly illegal activities — including but not limited to theft, kidnapping, human trafficking, blackmail, and conspiracy — [[EpicFail on what was to be a diplomatic mission]]'') Hmmm. [[{{Understatement}} Remedial course on Jedi ethics, you need]].



* The main trio from ''[[WebVideo/OneForAll 1 For All]]'' try to do the right thing, but between Nixie's pyromaniacal tendencies and Evandra's want to fight everything, this gets very trying. "Roll to Seduce" and "Murderhobos" show just how bad this can become.

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* The main trio from ''[[WebVideo/OneForAll 1 For All]]'' ''WebVideo/OneForAll'' try to do the right thing, but between Nixie's pyromaniacal tendencies and Evandra's want to fight everything, this gets very trying. "Roll to Seduce" and "Murderhobos" show just how bad this can become.



* The titular character of ''WebAnimation/DrBees'' interprets "heroism" to mean "releasing massive swarms of bees upon people." He's never met a problem he didn't try to resolve through large-influx-of-bees-based methods, including a family picnic, a crowded bank, and an office suffering the repercussions of International Bring A Shit-Ton Of Bees To Work Day. Despite this, he seems to be genuinely regarded as a respected hero and is regularly called upon to face dastardly supervillains like [[HarmlessVillain The Comforter]].



* The titular character of ''WebAnimation/DrBees'' interprets "heroism" to mean "releasing massive swarms of bees upon people." He's never met a problem he didn't try to resolve through large-influx-of-bees-based methods, including a family picnic, a crowded bank, and an office suffering the repercussions of International Bring A Shit-Ton Of Bees To Work Day. Despite this, he seems to be genuinely regarded as a respected hero and is regularly called upon to face dastardly supervillains like [[HarmlessVillain The Comforter]].



* 'WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Coming off her HeelFaceTurn at the end of season 3 [[Characters/HarleyQuinn2019TheCharacter Harley Quinn]] is shown to be exceptionally poor as a hero. While she can definitely hold her own in a fight, and gets the job done? She doesn't really understand that there is more to being a hero, especially one with a strict code as the Bat Family beyond kicking ass; especially after brutally killing Profesor Pyg and violating their no-kill rule. It doesn't help she's still in love with Poison Ivy, not only an active villain, but one of the heads of the LegionOfDoom.
* ''WesternAnimation/JackieChanAdventures'', in the episode "The Good Guys", Chow, Ratso, and Finn, tired of constantly losing to Jackie Chan, attempt to [[HeelFaceTurn reform]]. At the end of the episode [[RedemptionFailure they go right back to being evil]], saying "We're just no good at being good." In the GrandFinale, they ''do'', however, finally reform.

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* 'WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': ''WesternAnimation/HarleyQuinn2019'': Coming off her HeelFaceTurn at the end of season 3 3, [[Characters/HarleyQuinn2019TheCharacter Harley Quinn]] is shown to be exceptionally poor as a hero. While she can definitely hold her own in a fight, and gets the job done? She done, she doesn't really understand that there is more to being a hero, especially one with a strict code as the Bat Family beyond kicking ass; especially after brutally killing Profesor Pyg and violating their [[ThouShaltNotKill no-kill rule.rule]]. It doesn't help she's still in love with Poison Ivy, not only an active villain, but one of the heads of the LegionOfDoom.
* ''WesternAnimation/JackieChanAdventures'', in ''WesternAnimation/JackieChanAdventures'': In the episode "The "[[Recap/JackieChanAdventuresS4E9TheGoodGuys The Good Guys", Guys]]", Chow, Ratso, and Finn, tired of constantly losing to Jackie Chan, attempt to [[HeelFaceTurn reform]]. At the end of the episode [[RedemptionFailure they go right back to being evil]], saying "We're just no good at being good." In the GrandFinale, they ''do'', however, finally reform.

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