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* Although [[OurDemonsAreDifferent devils]] in ''Manga/ChainsawMan'' are {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s [[DemonOfHumanOrigin of human fear]] rather than outright Satanic beings, they are generally very malicious toward humanity, come from hell (albeit a "hell" that doesn't seem to be an afterlife for humans), and have no benevolent counterparts. The closest thing is an [[OxymoronicBeing "angel devil"]] that is simply [[NonMaliciousMonster benign]]. [[spoiler:Makima and her minions are thematically related to angels (including the aforementioned Angel Devil and others named for CelestialParagonsAndArchangels), [[FallenAngel though not in a good way]].]]

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* Although [[OurDemonsAreDifferent devils]] in ''Manga/ChainsawMan'' are {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s [[DemonOfHumanOrigin of human fear]] rather than outright Satanic beings, they are generally very malicious toward humanity, come from hell (albeit a "hell" that doesn't seem to be an afterlife for humans), and have no benevolent counterparts. The closest thing is an [[OxymoronicBeing [[DivinelyAppearingDemons "angel devil"]] that is simply [[NonMaliciousMonster benign]]. [[spoiler:Makima and her minions are thematically related to angels (including the aforementioned Angel Devil and others named for CelestialParagonsAndArchangels), [[FallenAngel though not in a good way]].]]
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* In the WesternAnimation/DCAnimatedMovieUniverse, [[GodOfEvil Darkseid]] and the forces of Apokolips are free to oppress and terrorize the universe. There is zero mention of [[GodOfGood Highfather]], Orion, or the other benevolent New Gods from the comics. Either they don’t exist, are indifferent to the universe, or Darkseid already triumphed over them.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel'', there's no mention of God as it's shown that the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels seraphim]] control Heaven and created the universe. Lucifer also never tried to usurp His throne, but was damned for [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill daring to give mankind free will]]. It's also shown that without a God to keep them in line, [[LightIsNotGood the angels are massive jerks little better than the demons]].

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* In ''WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel'', there's no mention of God as it's shown that the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels seraphim]] control Heaven and created the universe. Lucifer also never tried to usurp His throne, but was damned for [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill daring to give mankind free will]]. It's also shown that without a God to keep them in line, [[LightIsNotGood the angels are massive jerks little better than the demons]]. In the SpinOff ''WebAnimation/HelluvaBoss'', His absence is lampshaded when VillainProtagonist Blitzo sarcastically comments "I guess there ''is'' a God" in the pilot.
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* Some branches of Theistic Satanism (not to confuse with the more common and atheistic Symbolic Satanism like that of Lavey) believe there's a Devil but no God like the one of Abrahamic faiths. One example of this is the Temple of Set.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/HazbinHotel'', there's no mention of God as it's shown that the [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels seraphim]] control Heaven and created the universe. Lucifer also never tried to usurp His throne, but was damned for [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill daring to give mankind free will]]. It's also shown that without a God to keep them in line, [[LightIsNotGood the angels are massive jerks little better than the demons]].
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's ''Literature/SolomonKane'' novels the protagonist is a Christian Puritan who comes across various kinds of supernatural phenomena in his travels, both benevolent and malevolent, but never anything that would confirm the existence of his God, and this causes him a great deal of internal turmoil. Solomon's CharacterDevelopment centers around accepting that magic is not inherently evil, and he eventually becomes BloodBrothers with a shaman named N'Longa.

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's ''Literature/SolomonKane'' novels the protagonist is a Christian Puritan who comes across various kinds of supernatural phenomena in his travels, both benevolent and malevolent, but never anything that would confirm the existence of his God, and this causes him a great deal of internal turmoil. Solomon's CharacterDevelopment centers around accepting that magic is not inherently evil, and he eventually becomes BloodBrothers [[SwornBrothers blood brothers]] with a shaman named N'Longa.
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[[caption-width-right:333:[-Wait until you see the upcoming ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' and ''[[Literature/JurassicPark1990 Jurassic Park]]'' crossover...-]]]
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* Inverted in ''WebAnimation/AngelHare''. At least two of the major characters are angelic beings who specifically reference Scripture, but while 'demon hares' are occasionally mentioned, they never physically appear- and it's implied their existence might be more [[OurDemonsAreDifferent metaphorical]] than anything else.
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That last reason was an old text that was repeated by accident. Example Are Not General was the only point.
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Examples Are Not General, and most yaoi does NOT have graphic genital nudity.


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* The DealWithTheDevil trope often implies that this trope exists, as there is often no {{God}} or God-entity capable of intervening to prevent the deal, break the contract or otherwise impede the devil and help the mortal figure, as presumably {{God}} would not take too kindly to the devil messing around too much.

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* Noticeable in ''Film/TheOmen'' film series, where TheAntiChrist has an AncientConspiracy with unlimited resources at his beck and call, control over animals, seeming immortality, mind control powers, and hellhounds to kill whoever he wants, while the forces of good consist of a handful of priests who engage in YouHaveToBelieveMe before dying horribly, and nothing else.
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* Mike Nelson pointed this out in his book ''Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese'' in the review of ''Film/EventHorizon'', in the form of a hypothetical conversation that somehow turns into [[RuleOfFunny him ordering a sandwich from the reader.]]
* In ''Hellborn: Asylum of the Damned'', there is a Devil that plays an active part in damning the lives and souls of human beings, even the good ones. However, as stated by one of the characters in the film itself, "God doesn't take a look around here."

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* Mike Nelson pointed this out in his book ''Mike Nelson's Movie Megacheese'' ''Literature/MikeNelsonsMovieMegacheese'' in the review of ''Film/EventHorizon'', in the form of a hypothetical conversation that somehow turns into [[RuleOfFunny him ordering a sandwich from the reader.]]
* In ''Hellborn: Asylum of the Damned'', ''Film/HellbornAsylumOfTheDamned'', there is a Devil that plays an active part in damning the lives and souls of human beings, even the good ones. However, as stated by one of the characters in the film itself, "God doesn't take a look around here."
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* In Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Satan was a recurring character in the Son of Satan series. God, Jesus or the Angels never appeared or interfered. Later, it was {{retcon}}ned that Satan was being impersonated by demons such as [[Characters/MarvelComicsDemons Mephisto]], and that the true Devil had NEVER appeared in a Marvel story.[[note]]It has since been revealed that there are several Netherrealms claiming to be Hell, and that its rulers ''inspired'' legends of the Devil rather than directly being him, and the only souls they lay claim to are those who made bargains with them.[[/note]] In ComicBook/GhostRider, angels and Heaven have shown up. Well, Blaze had a guy helping him against Satan who was at some points implied to be Jesus ... but was later {{retcon}}ned to be one of Mephisto's illusions (who argued ''against'' Mephisto for [[ComplexityAddiction some reason]]), because editorial got cold feet.

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* In Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Satan was a recurring character in the Son of Satan series. God, Jesus or the Angels never appeared or interfered. Later, it was {{retcon}}ned that Satan was being impersonated by demons such as [[Characters/MarvelComicsDemons Mephisto]], and that the true Devil had NEVER appeared in a Marvel story.[[note]]It has since been revealed that there are several Netherrealms claiming to be Hell, and that its rulers ''inspired'' legends of the Devil rather than directly being him, and the only souls they lay claim to are those who made bargains with them.[[/note]] In ComicBook/GhostRider, angels and Heaven have shown up. Well, Blaze had a guy helping him against Satan who was at some points implied to be Jesus ... but was later {{retcon}}ned to be one of Mephisto's illusions (who argued semingly stood ''against'' Mephisto for [[ComplexityAddiction some reason]]), because editorial got cold feet.
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* In Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Satan was a recurring character in the Son of Satan series. God, Jesus or the Angels never appeared or interfered. Later, it was {{retcon}}ned that Satan was being impersonated by demons such as [[Characters/MarvelComicsDemons Mephisto]], and that the true Devil had NEVER appeared in a Marvel story.[[note]]It has since been revealed that there are several Netherrealms claiming to be Hell, and that its rulers ''inspired'' legends of the Devil rather than directly being him, and the only souls they lay claim to are those who made bargains with them.[[/note]] In ComicBook/GhostRider, angels and Heaven have shown up. Well, Blaze had a guy helping him against Satan who was at some points implied to be Jesus.

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* In Franchise/MarvelUniverse, Satan was a recurring character in the Son of Satan series. God, Jesus or the Angels never appeared or interfered. Later, it was {{retcon}}ned that Satan was being impersonated by demons such as [[Characters/MarvelComicsDemons Mephisto]], and that the true Devil had NEVER appeared in a Marvel story.[[note]]It has since been revealed that there are several Netherrealms claiming to be Hell, and that its rulers ''inspired'' legends of the Devil rather than directly being him, and the only souls they lay claim to are those who made bargains with them.[[/note]] In ComicBook/GhostRider, angels and Heaven have shown up. Well, Blaze had a guy helping him against Satan who was at some points implied to be Jesus.Jesus ... but was later {{retcon}}ned to be one of Mephisto's illusions (who argued ''against'' Mephisto for [[ComplexityAddiction some reason]]), because editorial got cold feet.
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* ''WebOriginal/{{Mortasheen}}'', as it usually does, does this in a weird way. There are no gods (unless you count [[OlympusMons The Ultimates]]), mainly because the creator, [[WordOfGod who said it himself]] is an "agnostic science nut". However, there are [[OurDemonsAreDifferent the equivalents to demons]] The Devilbirds, birds charged in the egg with negative psychic energy to cause and feed off of negative emotions. But, there are no angel equivalents. There [[http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Necromon&order=9&offset=48#/d4p0bm were]] [[http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=Necromon+Celestials#/d7psvh once]] when Mortasheen was still called Necromon, but the creator couldn't come up with any re-designs for them that he liked, so he scrapped them.

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* ''WebOriginal/{{Mortasheen}}'', ''Website/{{Mortasheen}}'', as it usually does, does this in a weird way. There are no gods (unless you count [[OlympusMons The Ultimates]]), mainly because the creator, [[WordOfGod who said it himself]] is an "agnostic science nut". However, there are [[OurDemonsAreDifferent the equivalents to demons]] The Devilbirds, birds charged in the egg with negative psychic energy to cause and feed off of negative emotions. But, there are no angel equivalents. There [[http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Necromon&order=9&offset=48#/d4p0bm were]] [[http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=Necromon+Celestials#/d7psvh once]] when Mortasheen was still called Necromon, but the creator couldn't come up with any re-designs for them that he liked, so he scrapped them.
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* ''Film/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'': DiscussedTrope at the end when the Devil ([[DemonicPossession possessing one of the crew members]]) reveals himself to the only other survivor by pointing out how strange it is that he has no faith in God despite knowing that the Devil actually exists.

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* ''Film/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'': DiscussedTrope ''Film/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon1990'': {{Discussed|Trope}} at the end when the Devil ([[DemonicPossession possessing one of the crew members]]) reveals himself to the only other survivor by pointing out how strange it is that he has no faith in God despite knowing that the Devil actually exists.
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** The truth is that Fallen London's world is fundamentally eldritch, just people try to make sense of it according to their cultural background. So for a Victorian era English person a charming and soul stealing being must be a Devil... the analogy breaks down when you learn that they are ||alien space bees from the land of dreams||.

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** The truth is that Fallen London's world is fundamentally eldritch, just people try to make sense of it according to their cultural background. So for a Victorian era English person a charming and soul stealing being must be a Devil... the analogy breaks down when you learn that they are ||alien [[spoiler:alien space bees from the land of dreams||.dreams]].
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** The truth is that Fallen London's world is fundamentally eldritch, just people try to make sense of it according to their cultural background. So for a Victorian era English person a charming and soul stealing being must be a Devil... the analogy breaks down when you learn that they are ||alien space bees from the land of dreams||.

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