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* ''Machinal'' is about a deeply troubled young woman who enters into an unhappy marriage with a cheerful go-getter businessman. Their optimistic and pessimistic traits are exaggerated in their last scene together, in which they are each reading a newspaper, with him only being interested in bland uplifting pieces and her focusing exclusively on morbid and distressing stories.in

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* ''Machinal'' is about a deeply troubled young woman who enters into an unhappy marriage with a cheerful go-getter businessman. Their optimistic and pessimistic traits are exaggerated in their last scene together, in which they are each reading a newspaper, with him only being interested in bland uplifting pieces and her focusing exclusively on morbid and distressing stories.in
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* ''Machinal'' is about a deeply troubled young woman who enters into an unhappy marriage with a cheerful go-getter businessman. Their optimistic and pessimistic traits are exaggerated in their last scene together, which has them each reading a newspaper, with him only interested in good news and her focusing exclusively on distressing news.

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* ''Machinal'' is about a deeply troubled young woman who enters into an unhappy marriage with a cheerful go-getter businessman. Their optimistic and pessimistic traits are exaggerated in their last scene together, in which has them they are each reading a newspaper, with him only being interested in good news bland uplifting pieces and her focusing exclusively on morbid and distressing news.
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* ''Machinal'' is about a deeply troubled young woman who enters into an unhappy marriage with a cheerful go-getter businessman. Their optimistic and pessimistic traits are exaggerated in their last scene together, which has them each reading a newspaper, with him only interested in good news and her focusing exclusively on distressing news.

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Although the duo has different ways of viewing the world, they are extremely close to each other. However, it doesn't stop them from bickering/fighting in a {{conflict}} situation, mostly invoking the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism trope (heroic ex: They bicker because they don't know if they should shoot down the villain or try to convert them to the good side, or one of them will call them out of an idea they consider "risky"). The Idealist may be a WideEyedIdealist, and the Cynic may be a grump. The idealist may say SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers while the cynic may say SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids.


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Although the duo has different ways of viewing the world, they are extremely close to each other. However, it doesn't stop them from bickering/fighting in a {{conflict}} situation, mostly invoking the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism trope (heroic ex: example: They bicker because they don't know if they should shoot down the villain or try to convert them to the good side, or one of them will call them out of an idea they consider "risky"). The Idealist may be a WideEyedIdealist, and the Cynic may be a grump. The idealist may say SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers while the cynic may say SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids.

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* The GoodShepherd Father Jerry Connolly and the AntiHero gangster Rocky Sullivan clash over their ideals in ''Films/AngelsWithDirtyFaces''. Rocky and Jerry were thick as thieves in childhood and even in the present are close, but while Jerry sees the best in people and believes the high road is the way to go, Rocky expects the worst and sees no problem using crime and violence to make ends meet.

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* The GoodShepherd Father Jerry Connolly and the AntiHero gangster Rocky Sullivan clash over their ideals in ''Films/AngelsWithDirtyFaces''.''Film/AngelsWithDirtyFaces''. Rocky and Jerry were thick as thieves in childhood and even in the present are close, but while Jerry sees the best in people and believes the high road is the way to go, Rocky expects the worst and sees no problem using crime and violence to make ends meet.
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* The most pronounced contrast between the Luck twins in ''Webcomic/{{Archipelago}}''. [[TheSmartGuy Tuff]] worries all the time, often about Riley getting in trouble, while [[TheBigGuy Riley]] seems incapable of worrying at all.
-->'''Riley''': What [[SupernaturalAid gift did you get from Dragonfly]]?\\
'''Tuff''': You tell me! As far as I know he just zapped me because he thought it was funny. Story of my life.\\
'''Riley''': Don't be like that. Maybe he cured your ulcers?\\
'''Tuff''': [[DeadpanSnarker The ones you gave me]]?\\
'''Riley''': Very funny. I wouldn't worry, you always figure it out in the end.
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Although the duo has different ways of viewing the world, they are extremely close to each other. However, it doesn't stop them from bickering/fighting in a {{conflict}} situation, mostly invoking the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism trope (heroic ex: They bicker because they don't know if they should shoot down the villain or try to convert them to the good side, or one of them will call them out of an idea they consider "risky"). The Idealist may be a WideEyedIdealist, and the Cynic may be a GrumpyBear. The idealist may say SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers while the cynic may say SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids.


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Although the duo has different ways of viewing the world, they are extremely close to each other. However, it doesn't stop them from bickering/fighting in a {{conflict}} situation, mostly invoking the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism trope (heroic ex: They bicker because they don't know if they should shoot down the villain or try to convert them to the good side, or one of them will call them out of an idea they consider "risky"). The Idealist may be a WideEyedIdealist, and the Cynic may be a GrumpyBear.grump. The idealist may say SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers while the cynic may say SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids.

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* ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreed'' has the Templar Order and the Assassin Brotherhood representing this. The Assassins believe in the good of humanity, that allowing freedom to flourish could bring world peace. However the Templars aren't as naive this way, as they're convinced people are naturally selfish and can only be pushed towards peace through order. Ironically, this feud survived centuries throughout the world. Yet neither faction is better nor worse than the other in the end.
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Although the duo has different ways of viewing the world, they are extremely close to each other. However, it doesn't stop them from bickering/fighting in a {{Conflict}} situation, mostly invoking the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism trope (heroic ex: They bicker because they don't know if they should shoot down the villain or try to convert him/her to the good side, or one of them will call them out of an idea they consider "risky"). The Idealist may be a WideEyedIdealist, and the Cynic may be a GrumpyBear. The idealist may say SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers while the cynic may say SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids.


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Although the duo has different ways of viewing the world, they are extremely close to each other. However, it doesn't stop them from bickering/fighting in a {{Conflict}} {{conflict}} situation, mostly invoking the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism trope (heroic ex: They bicker because they don't know if they should shoot down the villain or try to convert him/her them to the good side, or one of them will call them out of an idea they consider "risky"). The Idealist may be a WideEyedIdealist, and the Cynic may be a GrumpyBear. The idealist may say SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers while the cynic may say SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids.

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* Detectives Bayliss and Pembleton from ''Series/HomicideLifeOnTheStreet''. Bayliss is naive to a fault and deeply idealistic, whereas Pembleton is a pragmatic cynic much more accustomed to working in Homicide. It's played with and deconstructed throughout the series; Pembleton actually has a rather idealized view of the police and is repeatedly horrified to find that his superiors only care about playing politics and that his fellow officers actively cover up corruption and police brutality, while Bayliss is much more adept at recognizing department politics and sidestepping them as best as he can.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheRoadToElDorado'': Our heroes are the enthusiastic dreamer Miguel (Idealist) and his more pragmatic and level-headed partner in crime Tulio (Cynic).
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* ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'' has Wirt, a melodramatic and pessimistic teenager, and Greg, his CheerfulChild half-brother. Both perspectives are shown to have their flaws: [[spoiler: Wirt's cynicism and pessimism are indirectly responsible for the circumstances that got him and Greg stuck in the Unknown, but Greg's naive optimism leads him to being tricked by the Beast and nearly succumbing to exhaustion and exposure.]]
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* This forms at least one dynamic between Negi Springfield and Evangeline A. K. [=McDowell=] in ''Manga/NegimaMagisterNegiMagi''. Negi is naïve and idealistic, to the point where he genuinely doesn't understand the concept of mages who would use their magic for less than ideal intentions. Evangeline, being a centuries old vampire who has seen the worst humanity has to offer, tries to teach Negi that the world isn't full of sunshine and rainbows. They end up rubbing off on each other as the story goes on.
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* The GoodShepherd Father Jerry Connolly and the AntiHero gangster Rocky Sullivan clash over their ideals in ''Films/AngelsWithDirtyFaces''. Rocky and Jerry were thick as thieves in childhood and even in the present are close, but while Jerry sees the best in people and believes the high road is the way to go, Rocky expects the worst and sees no problem using crime and violence to make ends meet.
-->'''Jerry''': Supposing I was the one that got caught, I'd bet you wouldn't keep quiet. They'd make you send them up too.
-->'''Rocky''': Go on, what do you think I am? I'd lay dead like you're going to.
-->'''Jerry''': You would?
-->'''Rocky''': Sure. Always remember: don't be a sucker.
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* In the first season of ''Series/MakoMermaidsAnH2OAdventure'', this is a source of tension between the mermaids. Though she initially appears to be the cold loner, Lyla is the idealist, while Nixie, though seemingly more personable, is the cynic. Lyla's optimism gets her (and Sirena, who she ropes into a few of her schemes) into a few bad situations early on, but it's Nixie's pessimism that leaves her open to being manipulated late in the season.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Grand Theft Auto IV}}'' has the cynical Niko Bellic and his idealist cousin, Roman.
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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' has Dr. Bashir, a WideEyedIdealist who believes in the highest values of TheFederation, and Garak, a former spy who keeps trying to make Bashir understand the darker side of the galaxy.
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* In ''VisualNovel/DoubleHomework'', Tamara likes “to watch the world burn” and make people suffer if she thinks they’re beneath her, and Johanna likes to improve herself and support others in doing the same.
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* Ragna and Ruby in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13701943/1/BlazBlue-Remnant-Alternative BlazBlue Alternative: Remnant]]'' due to being partners. Ragna is the grouchy, angry cynic who initially prefers solitude while Ruby is the happy-go-lucky, open idealist who tries to help her partner lighten up.

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* Ragna and Ruby in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13701943/1/BlazBlue-Remnant-Alternative BlazBlue Alternative: Remnant]]'' ''Fanfic/BlazBlueAlternativeRemnant'' due to being partners. Ragna is the grouchy, angry cynic who initially prefers solitude while Ruby is the happy-go-lucky, open idealist who tries to help her partner lighten up.

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* Wander and Sylvia from ''WesternAnimation/WanderOverYonder''. Wander is the idealist, always seeing the good in others, even the bad guys, and will never resort to violence. Sylvia is the cynic, worried that Wander is being too naive and that his do-gooding will get him in trouble; also, when it comes to villains, she's all too happy to let her fists do the talking.
* Dipper and Mabel from ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. While Dipper doesn't have an excessively negative outlook, he does tend to be slow to trust anyone unfamiliar to him (and he is not helped by the craziness of his surroundings, either), especially in contrast to Mabel, who has a much brighter demeanour and is rather naïve and unsuspecting to the point of being an AllLovingHero.
* Rapunzel and Cassandra, of ''WesternAnimation/TangledTheSeries''. However, by the time we're introduced to her, [[ThePollyanna Rapps]] has managed to make Cassandra a little more optimistic than she used to be, so they're more of a Realist-Idealist Duo.



* The titular ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'', respectively. Rick Sanchez has been TheCynic and a nihilist for a very long time, since long before the series began, after having SeenItAll in the universe and coming to the conclusion that nothing and no one really matters because there are infinite versions of existence and the people in it. Morty Smith, meanwhile, started out the series as idealistic but naive, and has become significantly more jaded over the course of the series thanks to Rick's influence, including having an progressively easier time committing acts of violence. However, he nonetheless still tries to help people and do the right thing as much as he can, and rather than turning into a StrawNihilist like Rick, has instead become TheAntiNihilist.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheGhostAndMollyMcGee'': Molly is a chipper young girl who [[ThePollyanna always tries to see the best of any situation]], while Scratch is a grumpy ghost who literally makes a living (so to speak) spreading fear and misery.
* Dipper and Mabel from ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls''. While Dipper doesn't have an excessively negative outlook, he does tend to be slow to trust anyone unfamiliar to him (and he is not helped by the craziness of his surroundings, either), especially in contrast to Mabel, who has a much brighter demeanor and is rather naïve and unsuspecting to the point of being an AllLovingHero.
* The titular eponymous ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'', respectively. Rick Sanchez has been TheCynic and a nihilist for a very long time, since long before the series began, after having SeenItAll in the universe and coming to the conclusion that nothing and no one really matters because there are infinite versions of existence and the people in it. Morty Smith, meanwhile, started out the series as idealistic but naive, and has become significantly more jaded over the course of the series thanks to Rick's influence, including having an progressively easier time committing acts of violence. However, he nonetheless still tries to help people and do the right thing as much as he can, and rather than turning into a StrawNihilist like Rick, has instead become TheAntiNihilist.TheAntiNihilist.
* Rapunzel and Cassandra, of ''WesternAnimation/TangledTheSeries''. However, by the time we're introduced to her, [[ThePollyanna Rapps]] has managed to make Cassandra a little more optimistic than she used to be, so they're more of a Realist-Idealist Duo.
* Wander and Sylvia from ''WesternAnimation/WanderOverYonder''. Wander is the idealist, always seeing the good in others, even the bad guys, and will never resort to violence. Sylvia is the cynic, worried that Wander is being too naive and that his do-gooding will get him in trouble; also, when it comes to villains, she's all too happy to let her fists do the talking.
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* The titular ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'', respectively. Rick Sanchez has been TheCynic and a nihilist for a very long time, since long before the series began, after having SeenItAll in the universe and coming to the conclusion that nothing and no one really matters because there are infinite versions of existence and the people in it. Morty Smith, meanwhile, started out the series as an idealistic but naive, and has become significantly more jaded over the course of the series thanks to Rick's influence, including having an progressively easier time committing acts of violence. However, he nonetheless still tries to help people and do the right thing as much as he can, and rather than turning into a StrawNihilist like Rick, has instead become TheAntiNihilist.

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* The titular ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'', respectively. Rick Sanchez has been TheCynic and a nihilist for a very long time, since long before the series began, after having SeenItAll in the universe and coming to the conclusion that nothing and no one really matters because there are infinite versions of existence and the people in it. Morty Smith, meanwhile, started out the series as an idealistic but naive, and has become significantly more jaded over the course of the series thanks to Rick's influence, including having an progressively easier time committing acts of violence. However, he nonetheless still tries to help people and do the right thing as much as he can, and rather than turning into a StrawNihilist like Rick, has instead become TheAntiNihilist.
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* The titular ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'', respectively. Rick Sanchez has been TheCynic and a nihilist for a very long time, since long before the series began, after having SeenItAll in the universe and coming to the conclusion that nothing and no one really matters because there are infinite versions of existence and the people in it. Morty Smith, meanwhile, started out the series as an idealistic but naive, and has become significantly more jaded over the course of the series thanks to Rick's influence, including having an progressively easier time committing acts of violence. However, he nonetheless still tries to help people and do the right thing as much as he can, and rather than turning into a StrawNihilist like Rick, has instead become TheAntiNihilist.
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''Fanfic/RemnantInferisDOOM'': The Slayer and Ruby respectively. The Doom Slayer is a grouchy, unscrupulous AntiHero driven solely by his unending rage and need for vengeance against the Slaves of Doom, while Ruby is a kindhearted, noble idealist who wants to help others simply because it's the right thing to do. As the story progresses, CharacterDevelopment causes them to flip around. The Slayer becomes more noble and finds something to fight for beyond his need for vengeance while Ruby finds her idealism eroded by the horrors of fighting Hell and becomes more vengeful and crude.

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* ''Fanfic/RemnantInferisDOOM'': The Slayer and Ruby respectively. The Doom Slayer is a grouchy, unscrupulous AntiHero driven solely by his unending rage and need for vengeance against the Slaves of Doom, while Ruby is a kindhearted, noble idealist who wants to help others simply because it's the right thing to do. As the story progresses, CharacterDevelopment causes them to flip around. The Slayer becomes more noble and finds something to fight for beyond his need for vengeance while Ruby finds her idealism eroded by the horrors of fighting Hell and becomes more vengeful and crude.

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* Ragna and Ruby in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13701943/1/BlazBlue-Remnant-Alternative BlazBlue Alternative: Remnant]]'' due to being partners. Ragna is the grouchy, angry cynic who initially prefers solitude while Ruby is the happy-go-lucky, open idealist who tries to help her partner lighten up.
''Fanfic/RemnantInferisDOOM'': The Slayer and Ruby respectively. The Doom Slayer is a grouchy, unscrupulous AntiHero driven solely by his unending rage and need for vengeance against the Slaves of Doom, while Ruby is a kindhearted, noble idealist who wants to help others simply because it's the right thing to do. As the story progresses, CharacterDevelopment causes them to flip around. The Slayer becomes more noble and finds something to fight for beyond his need for vengeance while Ruby finds her idealism eroded by the horrors of fighting Hell and becomes more vengeful and crude.
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* The Oracle Twins from ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong are a PlayedWith example. Sara is bubbly and cheerful as a result of seeing only negative visions about the future (so she's got the powers of a cynic with the personality of an idealist). Her twin sister Kara is gothic and deadpan, because she only sees good things about the future (so she has the powers of an idealist with the personality of a cynic). This is explained as Sara seeing the positive things in life to compensate for her bad visions, while Kara has all the joy and surprise sucked out of life because she knows the good things that will happen.

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* The Oracle Twins from ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDragonJakeLong'' are a PlayedWith example. Sara is bubbly and cheerful as a result of seeing only negative visions about the future (so she's got the powers of a cynic with the personality of an idealist). Her twin sister Kara is gothic and deadpan, because she only sees good things about the future (so she has the powers of an idealist with the personality of a cynic). This is explained as Sara seeing the positive things in life to compensate for her bad visions, while Kara has all the joy and surprise sucked out of life because she knows the good things that will happen.
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* ''Fanfic/TheMountainAndTheWolf'': Briefly happens during the Wolf's time as Tyrion's bodyguard. Tyrion is by no means a WideEyedIdealist, but the fact that he believes in Daenerys as a fair and just ruler clashes with the Wolf's assertion that she has the qualities needed to make a fine warlord. It culminates in a screaming argument which the Wolf ''loses'', possibly because he realizes he was about to let slip that [[spoiler:''he'' was responsible for Daenerys setting King's Landing on fire.]]

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