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* The Parker novels by Richard Stark sometimes uses this. Parker, is a VillainProtagonist, is about as an amoral thief. However, he is pragmatic. He would kill to get what he wants, but he would not do it if it was unnecessary because he knows that the police put more effort in hunting murderers than thieves. Some books like The Sour Lemon Score or Deadly Edge, put him against complete psychos who rape and kill on a whim.

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* The Parker novels by Richard Stark sometimes uses this. Parker, is a VillainProtagonist, is about as an amoral thief. However, he is pragmatic. He would kill to get what he wants, but he would not do it if it was unnecessary because he knows that the police put more effort in hunting murderers than thieves. Some books like The Sour Lemon Score or Deadly Edge, put him against complete psychos who rape and kill on a whim.
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* In ''FreddyVsJason,'' Jason is often read this way, since at least he's not a paedophile.

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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Despite both President Snow and Alma Coin being power hungry villains who want to control Panem and irredeemable bastards, Snow is portrayed as a slightly better person than Coin due to the fact that [[IGaveMyWord he always keeps his promise]] and [[VillainsNeverLie he will never lie]] to Katniss as opposed to Coin who is willing to lie and cheat in order to hold power. [[spoiler: This clue led Katniss to realize that it was ''Coin'', not President Snow, who was responsible for Prim's death and the bombing of the Capitol's children.]]



* In ''Series/{{Justified}}'', Boyd Crowder transitions from {{antivillain}} to outright villain as the series progresses. For all his machinations and bloodshed, however, he has sympathetic moments. Boyd is comparatively less evil than other series antagonists, such as Robert Quarles (an [[FunctionalAddict Oxycontin-addicted]] {{serial killer}} and sexual predator). Nicky Augustine (a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] [[TheStarscream starscream]] with a {{jerkass}} streak), and the Detroit Mob (a crime syndicate brimming with starscreams that [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures its enemies]]).

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* In ''Series/{{Justified}}'', Boyd Crowder transitions from {{antivillain}} to outright villain as the series progresses. For all his machinations and bloodshed, however, he has sympathetic moments. Boyd moments, as is comparatively far less evil {{sadist}}ic than other series antagonists, such his adversaries, who include his father, Bo (drug lord, casual killer and eventual mass murderer), the Bennetts (a clan of marijuana dealers who kill anyone who so much as questions their control), Robert Quarles (an [[FunctionalAddict Oxycontin-addicted]] {{serial killer}} and [[SerialRapist sexual predator). predator]]), Nicky Augustine (a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] [[TheStarscream starscream]] with a {{jerkass}} streak), Daryl Crowe Jr. (a murderous smuggler who had his own brother killed for [[YouHaveFailedMe screwing up a job]]), and the Detroit Mob (a crime syndicate brimming with starscreams that [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures its enemies]]).Mexican cartel, who skin their enemies alive. This works to Boyd's advantage in-series as well, as series' protagonist Raylan Givens will typically focus on the more evil villain of the season and leave Boyd more or less alone.
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* The [[FishPeople Kua-Toa]] of ''WebVideo/TalesFromMyDDCampaign'' are divided into two factions: The Illud and the Deluvians. Both are [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil slavers]] and believe themselves to be the MasterRace, but the Deluvians worship the AxCrazy goddess of slaughter and want to butcher all the civilized races, while the Illud worship a neutral god of storms, and may be content with just enslaving all the civilized races.
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* In ''Series/FromDuskTillDawn'' the Gecko brothers are thieves and murderers, [[spoiler:but the vampires run [[TheCartel an international drug cartel]] and drain innocent girls by the container-full.]]
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If they shoot way over the line, the character in question may end up doing a HeelFaceTurn.

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If they shoot way over the line, the character in question may end up doing a HeelFaceTurn.
HeelFaceTurn. This is generally a trait of most Enlightenment fiction that believes RousseauWasRight.
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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Despite both President Snow and Alma Coin being power hungry villains who want to control Panem and irredeemable bastards, Snow is portrayed as a slightly better person than Coin due to the fact that he [[IGaveMyWord he always keeps his promise]] and [[VillainsNeverLie he will never lie]] to Katniss as opposed to Coin who is willing to lie and cheat in order to hold power. [[spoiler: This clue led Katniss to realize that it was ''Coin'', not President Snow, who was responsible for Prim's death and the bombing of the Capitol's children.]]

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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Despite both President Snow and Alma Coin being power hungry villains who want to control Panem and irredeemable bastards, Snow is portrayed as a slightly better person than Coin due to the fact that he [[IGaveMyWord he always keeps his promise]] and [[VillainsNeverLie he will never lie]] to Katniss as opposed to Coin who is willing to lie and cheat in order to hold power. [[spoiler: This clue led Katniss to realize that it was ''Coin'', not President Snow, who was responsible for Prim's death and the bombing of the Capitol's children.]]
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This can be done in many ways. Give your villain the SympatheticPOV. Have them PetTheDog, be a NobleDemon or invoke EvenEvilHasStandards. Perhaps they're simply a smaller threat to the world. Maybe their goals are, or used to be, [[AntiVillain somewhat sympathetic]]. Maybe they have many EvilVirtues. Or, when compared to the opposition, their cause still seems a little more "right" or their character "pure" than that of the enemy. Sometimes, Bob just needs to be stopped at any cost, and Alice happens to have that goal in mind, if only for selfish reasons. Since we want them to win, this may lead to a villainous version of RightMakesMight and PureIsNotGood.

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This can be done in many ways. Give your villain the SympatheticPOV. Have them PetTheDog, be a NobleDemon or invoke EvenEvilHasStandards. Perhaps they're simply a smaller threat to the world. Maybe their goals are, [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget or used to be, be]], [[AntiVillain somewhat sympathetic]]. Maybe they have many EvilVirtues. Or, when compared to the opposition, their cause still seems a little more "right" or their character "pure" than that of the enemy. Sometimes, Bob just needs to be stopped at any cost, and Alice happens to have that goal in mind, if only for selfish reasons. Since we want them to win, this may lead to a villainous version of RightMakesMight and PureIsNotGood.
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' features several families pitted against each other to claim the Iron Throne. Most have blackness in their past, or in their present, but at least as of the start of Season 3, Danerys Targaryan, various members of House Stark and MagnificentBastard Tyrian Lannister have emerged as the closet thing to heroes the series has.
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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, the Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads) are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving the coke-dealers more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.

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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, the Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads) are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Officer Frank Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving the coke-dealers more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.
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* In ''Series/Justified'', Boyd Crowder transitions from {{antivillain}} to outright villain as the series progresses. For all his machinations and bloodshed, however, he has sympathetic moments. Boyd is comparatively less evil than other series antagonists, such as Robert Quarles (an [[FunctionalAddict Oxycontin-addicted]] {{serial killer}} and sexual predator). Nicky Augustine (a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] [[TheStarscream starscream]] with a {{jerkass}} streak), and the Detroit Mob (a crime syndicate brimming with starscreams that [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures its enemies]]).

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* In ''Series/Justified'', ''Series/{{Justified}}'', Boyd Crowder transitions from {{antivillain}} to outright villain as the series progresses. For all his machinations and bloodshed, however, he has sympathetic moments. Boyd is comparatively less evil than other series antagonists, such as Robert Quarles (an [[FunctionalAddict Oxycontin-addicted]] {{serial killer}} and sexual predator). Nicky Augustine (a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] [[TheStarscream starscream]] with a {{jerkass}} streak), and the Detroit Mob (a crime syndicate brimming with starscreams that [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures its enemies]]).
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* In ''Series/Justified'', Boyd Crowder transitions from {{antivillain}} to outright villain as the series progresses. For all his machinations and bloodshed, however, he has sympathetic moments. Boyd is comparatively less evil than other series antagonists, such as Robert Quarles (an [[FunctionalAddict Oxycontin-addicted]] {{serial killer}} and sexual predator). Nicky Augustine (a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]] [[TheStarscream starscream]] with a {{jerkass}} streak), and the Detroit Mob (a crime syndicate brimming with starscreams that [[ColdBloodedTorture tortures its enemies]]).
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* In the ''{{Area 88}}'' manga and OVA, Asran's pro-monarchy forces are ''not'' the good guys. The Asran monarchy lives in luxury while Asran struggles with poverty and a poor educational system. Saki is willing to use nuclear weapons in the country's civil war. Many of the mercenaries at Area 88 are amoral or outright [[SociopathicSoldier sociopathic]]. However, members of Asran's monarchy have sympathetic moments, as do many of the mercenaries. To boot, the anti-government forces are depicted as much worse, committing [[ObligatoryWarCrimeScene atrocities against civilians]] and allying with Farina's mafia.
** In the manga, this shifts to {{black and gray morality}} when the pro- and anti-government forces [[EnemyMine both turn on Project 4]], a ruthless arms syndicate.
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* This is the case in the first ''{{Disgaea}}'' game (Laharl the wannabe EvilOverlord vs. an OmnicidalManiac). The second and fourth have more heroic protagonists while the third is mixed (Mao wants to slay his father, the Overlord, for trivial reasons and the rest of the cast have more heroic goals [[spoiler:plus the real villain already made Mao do it and surpressed his memories)]]

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* This is the case in the first ''{{Disgaea}}'' game ''VideoGame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness'' (Laharl the wannabe EvilOverlord vs. an OmnicidalManiac). The second ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 2|CursedMemories}}'' and fourth ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 4|APromiseUnforgotten}}'' have more heroic protagonists while the third ''VideoGame/{{Disgaea 3|AbsenceOfJustice}}'' is mixed (Mao wants to slay his father, the Overlord, for trivial reasons and the rest of the cast have more heroic goals [[spoiler:plus the real villain already made Mao do it and surpressed his memories)]]
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* This is what ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has instead of Good versus Evil, and is presumably what fans of the Lighter Black factions (Tau, Eldar, the Imperium) see in playing on the side of such horrible people; they're fighting against the very incarnations of death (Necrons), savagery (Orks), consumption (Tyranids) and, well, Chaos.

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* This is what ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has instead of Good versus Evil, and is presumably what fans of the Lighter Black factions (Tau, Eldar, the Imperium) see in playing on the side of such horrible people; they're fighting against the very incarnations of cruelty (Dark Eldar), death (Necrons), savagery (Orks), consumption (Tyranids) and, well, Chaos.
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* This is what ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has instead of Good versus Evil, and is presumably what fans of the Lighter Black factions (Tau, Eldar, the Imperium) see in playing on the side of such horrible people; they're fighting against the very incarnations of death, savagery, consumption and, well, Chaos.

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* This is what ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has instead of Good versus Evil, and is presumably what fans of the Lighter Black factions (Tau, Eldar, the Imperium) see in playing on the side of such horrible people; they're fighting against the very incarnations of death, savagery, death (Necrons), savagery (Orks), consumption (Tyranids) and, well, Chaos.
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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'': Michael is a bank robber fresh out of retirement, Franklin is a former small-time [[{{Gangbangers}} Gangbanger]] turned big-time bank robber and assassin, and Trevor is an AxCrazy drug dealing PsychopathicManChild. Despite this, all three of them have redeeming values, [[MoralityPet Morality Pets]], and PetTheDog moments that can instill some sympathy. That's more than can be said about their antagonists: Steven Haines, a corrupt FIB agent who engages in some incredibly irresponsible InterserviceRivalry with the IAA for the sake of his career, and Devin Weston, a CorruptCorporateExecutive with close ties to PrivateMilitaryContractors known for committing human rights violations all over the world.

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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'': Michael is a bank robber fresh out of retirement, Franklin is a former small-time [[{{Gangbangers}} Gangbanger]] turned big-time bank robber and assassin, and Trevor (who's by far [[TokenEvilTeammate the most evil of the three]]) is an AxCrazy drug dealing PsychopathicManChild. Despite this, all three of them have redeeming values, [[MoralityPet Morality Pets]], and PetTheDog moments that can instill some sympathy. That's more than can be said about their antagonists: Steven Haines, a corrupt FIB agent who engages in some incredibly irresponsible InterserviceRivalry with the IAA for the sake of his career, and Devin Weston, a CorruptCorporateExecutive with close ties to PrivateMilitaryContractors known for committing human rights violations all over the world.
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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, the Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads) are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving these organizations more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.

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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, the Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads) are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving these organizations the coke-dealers more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.
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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads} are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving these organizations more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.

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** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, the Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads} Triads) are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving these organizations more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.
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* Common in the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' series. More often than not, as bad the VillainProtagonist PlayerCharacters are, they're still usually better than their antagonists.
** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas'': CJ and every criminal organization he associates with (Grove Street Families, Varrios Los Aztecas, and the Triads} are NeighborhoodFriendlyGangsters who oppose the drug trade and work to stop the sale of cocaine all across the state. The BigBad, [[DirtyCop Tenpenny]], has not only been largely been giving these organizations more power for his own benefit, but he's deeply corrupt and is set to kill everyone who could possibly expose his crimes. Including his own partners.
** ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'': Michael is a bank robber fresh out of retirement, Franklin is a former small-time [[{{Gangbangers}} Gangbanger]] turned big-time bank robber and assassin, and Trevor is an AxCrazy drug dealing PsychopathicManChild. Despite this, all three of them have redeeming values, [[MoralityPet Morality Pets]], and PetTheDog moments that can instill some sympathy. That's more than can be said about their antagonists: Steven Haines, a corrupt FIB agent who engages in some incredibly irresponsible InterserviceRivalry with the IAA for the sake of his career, and Devin Weston, a CorruptCorporateExecutive with close ties to PrivateMilitaryContractors known for committing human rights violations all over the world.
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Do not confuse this trope with LesserOfTwoEvils, in which case, there still isn't a side to root for. (These stories usually involve a hero's P.O.V. and he's observing the two villains fighting each other.)

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Do not confuse this trope with LesserOfTwoEvils, in which case, there still isn't a side to root for. (These (Those stories usually involve a hero's P.O.V. and he's observing the two villains fighting each other.)
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** Also, Charmcaster vs. Adwaitya. [[spoiler :Charmcaster is hardly is a saint, but Adwaitya is way, ''way'' worse: she may have done more damage than he did temporarily (though one could argue wiping out all life in her realm in one go is still more benevolent than Adwaitya's systematic killing over the ages) but is called out on it and becomes TheAtoner afterward; by contrast, Adwaitya was power-mad and unrepentant to the end.]]

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** Also, Charmcaster vs. Adwaitya. [[spoiler :Charmcaster [[spoiler: Charmcaster is hardly is a saint, but Adwaitya is way, ''way'' worse: she may have done more damage than he did temporarily (though one could argue that regardless of what Spellbinder claimed, wiping out all life in her realm in one go is still more benevolent than Adwaitya's systematic killing over the ages) but is called out on it and becomes TheAtoner afterward; by contrast, Adwaitya was power-mad and unrepentant to the end.]]
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** Also, Charmcaster vs. Adwaitya. [[spoiler :Charmcaster is hardly is a saint, but Adwaitya is way, ''way'' worse: she may have done more damage than he did temporarily (though one could argue wiping out all life in her realm in one go is still more benevolent than Adwaitya's systematic killing over the ages) but is called out on it and becomes TheAtoner afterward; by contrast, Adwaitya was power-mad and unrepentant to the end.]]
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** It helps, too, that Johnny is somewhat goofy and likable, mostly to due his CrossesTheLineTwice mannerisms and general [[PsychopathicManChild childish tendencies]], while the Monster Behind the Wall is never fun or wacky at all. Even though Johnny is clearly not forgivable, most of the readers would much rather have him running around.

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** It helps, too, that Johnny is somewhat goofy and likable, mostly to due to his CrossesTheLineTwice mannerisms and general [[PsychopathicManChild childish tendencies]], while the Monster Behind the Wall is never fun or wacky at all. Even though Johnny is clearly not forgivable, most of the readers would much rather have him running around.
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** It helps, too, that Johnny is somewhat goofy and likable, mostly to do his CrossesTheLineTwice mannerisms and general [[PsychopathicManChild childish tendencies]], while the Monster Behind the Wall is never fun or wacky at all. Even though Johnny is clearly not forgivable, most of the readers would much rather have him running around.

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** It helps, too, that Johnny is somewhat goofy and likable, mostly to do due his CrossesTheLineTwice mannerisms and general [[PsychopathicManChild childish tendencies]], while the Monster Behind the Wall is never fun or wacky at all. Even though Johnny is clearly not forgivable, most of the readers would much rather have him running around.
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* In ''Comicbook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'', the titular VillainProtagonist has next to no redeeming qualities, but he does have a MoralityPet (that he seldom actually [[PetTheDog pets]], try as he might) and seems to recognize that he's gone horrifically wrong... and when he's up against a [[CosmicHorrorStory universe-consuming]] EldritchAbomination, it's relatively easy to root for him.
** It helps, too, that Johnny is somewhat goofy and likable, mostly to do his CrossesTheLineTwice mannerisms and general [[PsychopathicManChild childish tendencies]], while the Monster Behind the Wall is never fun or wacky at all. Even though Johnny is clearly not forgivable, most of the readers would much rather have him running around.
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* In the ''[[BattleTechExpandedUniverse [=BattleTech=]]]'' novel ''Bred for War'', [[spoiler:the assassin responsible for the death of Melissa Steiner-Davion in an earlier book]] gets this treatment. When a new "revolutionary" government takes over the planet he'd been thinking about going into retirement on, it turns out to be sufficiently nasty that even his disregard for collateral damage in leading LaResistance and his [[spoiler:leaving his local girlfriend to be captured and killed]] as a distraction can't quite quench the admiration for his [[MagnificentBastard magnificent bastardry]]. (It helps that he only reveals his real identity at the end of the subplot -- even to the reader.)
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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': While the forces of [[LawfulEvil Law]] and [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]] are both [[EvilVersusEvil pretty damn repellent]], sometimes one side just makes a better argument about their ideals, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards has at least a few standards]], and that side is [[DependingOnTheWriter usually]] Chaos. That's right, the side led by ''[[{{Satan}} Lucifer]]''. Fundamentally, Chaos holds [[TheUnfettered free will as an imperative]], unlike Law's [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans worldview that people should accept whatever fate they're given, however horrible]]. [[VideoGame/StrangeJourney Lucifer himself admits that while he doesn't love humans, he'll never abandon them.]]

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'': While the forces of [[LawfulEvil Law]] and [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]] are both [[EvilVersusEvil pretty damn repellent]], sometimes one side just makes a better argument about their ideals, or [[EvenEvilHasStandards has at least a few standards]], and that side is [[DependingOnTheWriter usually]] Chaos. That's right, the side led by ''[[{{Satan}} Lucifer]]''. Fundamentally, Chaos holds [[TheUnfettered free will as an imperative]], unlike Law's [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans worldview that people should accept whatever fate they're given, however horrible]]. [[VideoGame/StrangeJourney [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiStrangeJourney Lucifer himself admits that while he doesn't love humans, he'll never abandon them.]]
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* VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}. Among your plucky group of heroes are an {{Ax Crazy}} mute soldier whose sister loves him more than is socially acceptable, a vicious red dragon, a batshit crazy elf who eats children, a blind pedophile, and a child cursed to never grow up. However, they're care bears compared to the Grotesqueries, hideous {{Humanoid Abomination}} who wish to unmake creation through the efforts of their possessed minion Manah, a six year old girl who delights in ruining lives left and right because her mommy never loved her enough.

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* VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}. Among your plucky group of heroes are an {{Ax Crazy}} mute soldier whose sister loves him more than is socially acceptable, a vicious red dragon, a batshit crazy elf who eats children, a religious patriarch who never passes up an opportunity to call for genocide against [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman all other intelligent species]], a blind pedophile, and a child cursed to never grow up. However, they're care bears compared to the Grotesqueries, hideous {{Humanoid Abomination}} who wish to unmake creation through the efforts of their possessed minion Manah, a six year old girl who delights in ruining lives left and right because her mommy never loved her enough.
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** However, at the end of the day, Kratos is really the LighterShadeOfBlack because A) almost ALL Olympians are JerkassGods that torment mankind directly ForTheEvulz or indirectly in their struggles and generally don't give a shit about us, and B) the only reason Kratos is an AxCrazy murderer is [[spoiler: due to them kidnapping his brother, and later Ares tricking him into killing his family. Kratos finds out about his brother by his mother, who is transformed into a monster by a curse from Zeus and has to receive MercyKill from her own son. Oh, and Kratos' brother also dies shortly after Kratos saves him, and Athena treats it as if it was some sort of SecretTestOfCharacter. That is why Kratos is a "warmongering douche" in GOWII]]. There are NO innocent gods in GodOfWar, except maybe for Hephaestus and Aphrodite. The rest is very much receiving a well-deserved KarmicPunishment for their tyranny and jerkassery. [[spoiler: In the end, Kratos repents for what he's done by spreading hope to all mankind(From Athena's words, there are obviously humans still alive despite the disasters caused by Kratos' murdering the gods), which stops Athena from using it to take control and start the whole thing all over again. Kratos is not heroic, but he's got good reasons to be, and in the end is far more noble than the Olympians.]]

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