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* AndThatWouldBeWrong: Rori's suggestion to save Berwynna and Mic when they first meet.

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* AndThatWouldBeWrong: Rori's realization of his suggestion to save only Berwynna and Mic when they first meet.meet. Berwynna and Mic are traveling with a caravan that's under attack by a Horsekin raiding party -''again''. But dragons in the Deverry cycle are only shown carrying two people at most, and there's too many people for Rori to ferry them off to safety in time. Rori realizes that Berwynna is right to reject his suggestion he get just her and Mic to safety, and takes a third option.
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* EvilIsHammy: At one point Nevyn reads a few lines from a book of BlackMagic and scoffs at how bombastic and theatrical it is. Also, dark dweomer practitioners use [[FashionVictimVillain extremely elaborate]] astral forms made to look like stereotypical [[EvilSorcerer Evil Sorcerers]], while heroic magic-users just wear simple, featureless human shapes.

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* EvilIsHammy: At one point Nevyn reads a few lines from a book of BlackMagic and scoffs at how bombastic and theatrical it is. Also, dark dweomer practitioners use [[FashionVictimVillain extremely elaborate]] elaborate astral forms made to look like stereotypical [[EvilSorcerer Evil Sorcerers]], while heroic magic-users just wear simple, featureless human shapes.
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* AnAesop Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, [[EsotericHappyEnding he is set free]], having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it.

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* AnAesop Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, [[EsotericHappyEnding he is set free]], free, having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it.

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* ChekhovsArmoury: As noted in ContinuityLockout below, here are tons of references that only make sense later. One example: Rhodry's silver dagger is modified by Otho in book 2, which makes it reappear to him in book 5 after being stolen from him at the end of book 3, [[spoiler:it seemingly disappears in book 11, and turns out to be the cause of his unhealing wound]] in book 15.

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* ChekhovsArmoury: As noted in ContinuityLockout below, here Here are tons of references that only make sense later. One example: Rhodry's silver dagger is modified by Otho in book 2, which makes it reappear to him in book 5 after being stolen from him at the end of book 3, [[spoiler:it seemingly disappears in book 11, and turns out to be the cause of his unhealing wound]] in book 15.



* ContinuityLockout: The author has written the books to be accessible for the first-time reader, but you need to read them a couple more times to understand '''how''' extensively each book is linked to the others. Sometimes ''many books in advance''.
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* PoorCommunicationKills: The series would be a lot shorter and quite different if the Dweomer-masters of different races had better contacts between each other. This is mostly justified, though, in that this is only obvious to a (modern) reader who [[FridgeLogic starts thinking about it]].

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* PoorCommunicationKills: The series would be a lot shorter and quite different if the Dweomer-masters of different races had better contacts between each other. This is mostly justified, though, in that this is only obvious to a (modern) reader who [[FridgeLogic starts thinking about it]].it.
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** Some fled to the plains, become the not-always-distant ancestors of the Westfolk, the best-known elves in the Deverry Cycle. They are the plains equivalent of the forest elves, living in relative harmony with nature, divided into several nomadic groups, and while they have swordmen (and women), their best known weapon is the longbow. [[spoiler: Thanks to culture shift, advancement, and changes in the human kingdoms, their way of life is ending and merging with the returning high elves by the end of the series.]]

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** Some fled to the plains, become becoming the not-always-distant ancestors of the Westfolk, the best-known elves in the Deverry Cycle. They are the plains equivalent of the forest elves, living in relative harmony with nature, divided into several nomadic groups, and while they have swordmen (and women), their best known weapon is the longbow. [[spoiler: Thanks to culture shift, advancement, and changes in the human kingdoms, their way of life is ending and merging with the returning high elves by the end of the series.]]
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* OurElvesOurDifferent: Back in ancient days, all elves were "high" elves of various carefully controlled and observed ranks, while enslaved humans did all the dirty work. Then the Horsekin happened.

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* OurElvesOurDifferent: OurElvesAreDifferent: Back in ancient days, all elves were "high" elves of various carefully controlled and observed ranks, while enslaved humans did all the dirty work. Then the Horsekin happened.
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*OurElvesOurDifferent: Back in ancient days, all elves were "high" elves of various carefully controlled and observed ranks, while enslaved humans did all the dirty work. Then the Horsekin happened.
** Some elves fled by ships, reaching distant islands and preserving High Elf culture. They're briefly mentioned as still being hung up on rank and class. Those who don't like it [[spoiler:are returning to the homelands by the end of the series]].
** Some fled to the plains, become the not-always-distant ancestors of the Westfolk, the best-known elves in the Deverry Cycle. They are the plains equivalent of the forest elves, living in relative harmony with nature, divided into several nomadic groups, and while they have swordmen (and women), their best known weapon is the longbow. [[spoiler: Thanks to culture shift, advancement, and changes in the human kingdoms, their way of life is ending and merging with the returning high elves by the end of the series.]]
** Small groups of survivors fled anyway and where they could, and founded tiny settlements well away from the Horsekin. They're only introduced near the end of the series, and the readers only meet one member. He describes them as living from the sea, but preserving the memories of old.

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* AnAesop Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, he is set free, having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it. Prince Loddlaen was gifted in magic, but the narrative stresses that he should never have been taught any, since he was mentally/emotionally unstable due to something his mother had done while pregnant with him.

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* AnAesop Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, [[EsotericHappyEnding he is set free, free]], having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it. it.
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Prince Loddlaen was gifted in magic, but the narrative stresses that he should never have been taught any, since he was mentally/emotionally unstable due to something his mother had done while pregnant with him. So a gift that could be used to help others and make him feel like a valued member of society has to be stifled, possibly throwing the guy's whole life balance off, instead of finding a way to teach him disciplines he can follow that'll allow him to use magic in a beneficial way.
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* DeadlyDecadentCourt: The Cantrae faction during the Time of Troubles.

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* DeadlyDecadentCourt: DecadentCourt: The Cantrae faction during the Time of Troubles.

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* ''The Bristling Wood'' - [[Main/{{MarketBasedTitle}} published in the UK]] as ''Dawnspell: The Bristling Wood''
* ''The Dragon Revenant'' - published in the UK as ''Dragonspell: The Southern Sea''

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* ''The Bristling Wood'' - Wood'': [[Main/{{MarketBasedTitle}} published in the UK]] as ''Dawnspell: The Bristling Wood''
* ''The Dragon Revenant'' - Revenant'': published in the UK as ''Dragonspell: The Southern Sea''



Time and again, the principals in that ancient tragedy are reborn, and repeat the same destructive patterns - as seen in the many flashbacks. As the series begins, they are reborn once more, this time as Jill, daughter of the notorious mercenary Cullyn, and Rhodry, a young nobleman. The characters struggle to find their destiny in life, while the followers of the [[Main/{{BlackMagic}} dark dweomer]] attempt to plunge the kingdom into war.

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Time and again, the principals in that ancient tragedy are reborn, and repeat the same destructive patterns - -- as seen in the many flashbacks. As the series begins, they are reborn once more, this time as Jill, daughter of the notorious mercenary Cullyn, and Rhodry, a young nobleman. The characters struggle to find their destiny in life, while the followers of the [[Main/{{BlackMagic}} dark dweomer]] attempt to plunge the kingdom into war.



* AnachronicOrder - Flashbacks to previous incarnations and to the youth of long lived characters. Doubly so in that later there is one flashback to what used to be the "current" timeline. The chronologically earliest flashback is in the very last book.
* AndThatWouldBeWrong - Rori's suggestion to save Berwynna and Mic when they first meet.
* AnAesop - Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, he is set free, having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it. Prince Loddlaen was gifted in magic, but the narrative stresses that he should never have been taught any, since he was mentally/emotionally unstable due to something his mother had done while pregnant with him.

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* AnachronicOrder - AnachronicOrder: Flashbacks to previous incarnations and to the youth of long lived characters. Doubly so in that later there is one flashback to what used to be the "current" timeline. The chronologically earliest flashback is in the very last book.
* AndThatWouldBeWrong - AndThatWouldBeWrong: Rori's suggestion to save Berwynna and Mic when they first meet.
* AnAesop - Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, he is set free, having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it. Prince Loddlaen was gifted in magic, but the narrative stresses that he should never have been taught any, since he was mentally/emotionally unstable due to something his mother had done while pregnant with him.



* BarbieDollAnatomy - Rhodry notices this about his blue lady, but is too entranced to care.

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* BarbieDollAnatomy - BarbieDollAnatomy: Rhodry notices this about his blue lady, but is too entranced to care.



* BookEnds - "In the Hall of Light, there are no lies."
* BrotherSisterIncest - Twice, with major plot significance
* ButICantBePregnant - Rhys' first wife is cast off for barrenness, remarries to a widower who needs a wife to help raise the children of his previous marriage, and gives birth to a healthy boy a year later. It seems ''she'' wasn't the infertile one in her previous marriage...
* CareerVersusMan - Jill has to face this choice once Rhodry becomes Gwerbret, as there was no way the life of a high-ranking noble's wife would leave her with enough free time to study magic. She ultimately decides to choose the dweomer over her lover and leaves him.
* CatapultNightmare - Rhodry at Dun Hiraedd, when Alastyr attacks him in his dreams. Berwynna right at the beginning of The Silver Mage.
* TheChainsOfCommanding - Glyn the First.
* ChekhovsArmoury - As noted in ContinuityLockout below, here are tons of references that only make sense later. One example: Rhodry's silver dagger is modified by Otho in book 2, which makes it reappear to him in book 5 after being stolen from him at the end of book 3, [[spoiler:it seemingly disappears in book 11, and turns out to be the cause of his unhealing wound]] in book 15.
* CompeteForTheMaidensHand - Cullyn inadvertently ended up in one of these in his youth over Jill's mother, and only avoided getting hung for murder because witnesses stepped forward to prove that the other guy started it. He ''did'' end up exiled and forced to become a Silver Dagger because of it, and Seryan followed him and ended up a barmaid in a nothing village in the middle of nowhere. Cullyn later swore to never again kill over a woman after this, which would enable him to break free of the four-hundred year old chain of wyrd tying him to Rhodry.
* TheConstant - Brangwen's grave, Cannobaen to a certain degree, and the westernmost dun in Eldidd, which is in ruins in the "current" time. Averted with the royal broch in Dun Deverry.
* ConsummateLiar - Laz Moj.
* ContinuityLockout - The author has written the books to be accessible for the first-time reader, but you need to read them a couple more times to understand '''how''' extensively each book is linked to the others. Sometimes ''many books in advance''.
* CultureClash - Between the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gel da'thae]] and the alliance besieging Zakh Gral.
* CursedWithAwesome - Nevyn's [[WhoWantsToLiveForever endless life]] makes it possible for him to become a peerless master of magic, but after a few cycles of seeing others reincarnate, he begins to wonder whether he'll ever find the relief of death. [[spoiler:Similarly, Rhodry's transformation into a dragon makes him practically invulnerable, but drives him mad.]]

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* BookEnds - %%* BookEnds: "In the Hall of Light, there are no lies."
* BrotherSisterIncest - %%* BrotherSisterIncest: Twice, with major plot significance
* ButICantBePregnant - ButICantBePregnant: Rhys' first wife is cast off for barrenness, remarries to a widower who needs a wife to help raise the children of his previous marriage, and gives birth to a healthy boy a year later. It seems ''she'' wasn't the infertile one in her previous marriage...
* CareerVersusMan - CareerVersusMan: Jill has to face this choice once Rhodry becomes Gwerbret, as there was no way the life of a high-ranking noble's wife would leave her with enough free time to study magic. She ultimately decides to choose the dweomer over her lover and leaves him.
* CatapultNightmare - CatapultNightmare: Rhodry at Dun Hiraedd, when Alastyr attacks him in his dreams. Berwynna right at the beginning of The Silver Mage.
* TheChainsOfCommanding - TheChainsOfCommanding: Glyn the First.
* ChekhovsArmoury - ChekhovsArmoury: As noted in ContinuityLockout below, here are tons of references that only make sense later. One example: Rhodry's silver dagger is modified by Otho in book 2, which makes it reappear to him in book 5 after being stolen from him at the end of book 3, [[spoiler:it seemingly disappears in book 11, and turns out to be the cause of his unhealing wound]] in book 15.
* CompeteForTheMaidensHand - CompeteForTheMaidensHand: Cullyn inadvertently ended up in one of these in his youth over Jill's mother, and only avoided getting hung for murder because witnesses stepped forward to prove that the other guy started it. He ''did'' end up exiled and forced to become a Silver Dagger because of it, and Seryan followed him and ended up a barmaid in a nothing village in the middle of nowhere. Cullyn later swore to never again kill over a woman after this, which would enable him to break free of the four-hundred year old chain of wyrd tying him to Rhodry.
* TheConstant - %%* TheConstant: Brangwen's grave, Cannobaen to a certain degree, and the westernmost dun in Eldidd, which is in ruins in the "current" time. Averted with the royal broch in Dun Deverry.
* ConsummateLiar -
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Laz Moj.
* ContinuityLockout - ContinuityLockout: The author has written the books to be accessible for the first-time reader, but you need to read them a couple more times to understand '''how''' extensively each book is linked to the others. Sometimes ''many books in advance''.
* CultureClash - CultureClash: Between the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gel da'thae]] and the alliance besieging Zakh Gral.
* CursedWithAwesome - CursedWithAwesome: Nevyn's [[WhoWantsToLiveForever endless life]] makes it possible for him to become a peerless master of magic, but after a few cycles of seeing others reincarnate, he begins to wonder whether he'll ever find the relief of death. [[spoiler:Similarly, Rhodry's transformation into a dragon makes him practically invulnerable, but drives him mad.]]



* DragonRider - Rhodry, eventually, but no psychic bond.
* TheFairFolk - The Guardians, but not the Elves.
* EncyclopediaExposita - Quotes from genuine 9th century Welsh poetry and the fictional ''The Secret Book of Cadwallon the Druid''

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* DragonRider - DragonRider: Rhodry, eventually, but no psychic bond.
* TheFairFolk - TheFairFolk: The Guardians, but not the Elves.
* EncyclopediaExposita - EncyclopediaExposita: Quotes from genuine 9th century Welsh poetry and the fictional ''The Secret Book of Cadwallon the Druid''



* {{Expy}} - Only for the 835-843 timeline, but: Nevyn is Merlin, Maryn is King Arthur, Maddyn is Lancelot, Merodda is Morgan le Fay and many others. The whole plot arc plays out as a retelling of the King Arthur legend.
* FictionalDocument - ''The Secret Book of Cadwallon the Druid'' and the Pseudo-Iamblicus Scroll are the most prominent.
* FiveRaces - There are five intelligent species, the others associated with one of the four classical ElementalPowers in the series' magic system: Elves to air, Dwarves to earth, Gel da Thae to fire, and Dwrgi to water. Since HumansAreSpecial, they get ElementNumberFive, aethyr.
* FeudingFamilies - The cause of many a minor war in Deverry. During the Time of Troubles, many clans chose one side purely because a rival clan chose the other, and backing the opposing claim would grant them free license to attack their personal enemies without political repurcussions.
* {{Flashback}} - Major parts of most books deal with the past, going beyond any normal use. The characters' current lives [[VisionsOfAnotherSelf often echo their previous ones]], though usually with significant differences.
* ForeShadowing - A lot, with probably the most significant one being "Rhodry's Wyrd is Eldidd's Wyrd".
* ForeverWar - Nevyn notes that the civil wars are turning into this.
* HalfHumanHybrid - Most often half-elves, but there are hybrids of all the non-human races.
* HeartbrokenBadass - Rhodry, Laz Moj
* HeelFaceTurn - Laz Moj manages this after he has a HeelRealization of evil done in previous lives as [[spoiler:Alastyr and Tren]].
* HeirClubForMen - The death of a king who had no sons and three daughters - each of whom had married a powerful noble and given him a son - resulted in the century long SuccessionCrisis referred to in the series as the Time of Troubles. Trouble brews in Eldidd in the first arc when Gwerbret Rhys turns out to be sterile and unable to produce an heir.
* HostageSituation - Prince Mael of Aberwyn spent about twenty years of his life in one. He was captured during his first campaign as a soldier during the Time of Troubles, and not ransomed back for decades because the King of Cerrmor felt that the secure border he gained by having a royal hostage was far more valuable than the gold he'd get by returning him. The young prince, with nothing to do all that time but read in his tower cell, ended up becoming a philosopher, who would be come known as Mael the Seer, or Mael y Gwaedd (later contracted to Maelwaedd).
* ImmortalProcreationClause - The Elves. Played straight, though it does come up in a [[DiscussedTrope discussion]] between Dallandra and Calonderiel.
* ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty - Elves age normally through childhood and adolescence into adulthood, then stop aging until a year or so before they're about to die of old age.
* ImportantHaircut - Jill, after leaving her home village with her father; Lilli (twice), first when running away from her mother, and later when mourning for [[spoiler:Branoic]].
* {{Karma}} - Bad actions will have consequences in your next life, [[CallItKarma if not earlier]]. The elven priests also tried to [[InvokedTrope invoke]] it to justify their excesses.
* LegacyCharacter - Nevyn's common explanation for having the same name and skills as an old advisor or sorcerer mentioned in historical accounts. Either the name Nevyn is a title passed on from teacher to student, or [[MyGrandsonMyself he is a descendant of the Nevyn they're thinking of]].
* LieToTheBeholder - The illusion Evandar placed on Dalla. Worked on all humans but not elves.
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - There are four major time periods and seven minor ones, and over twenty characters who reincarnate in more than one of them (Not to mention Nevyn appearing in person in many of them). And then there are those characters who are only in one time period.
* LongRunningBookSeries
* LossOfIdentity - Rhodry in ''The Dragon Revenant'', Laz Moj for a short while in the beginning of ''The Silver Mage''.
* LoveMakesYouCrazy - Bellyra, but she's a good enough person not to be in actual {{Yandere}} territory. [[spoiler:She commits suicide instead.]]
* ManipulativeBastard - Laz Moj. Nevyn feels like he might be one when ending the civil war.
* MarketBasedTitle
* MarriageBeforeRomance - Sevinna and Dwaen, in ''Days of Air and Darkness''.
* MayflyDecemberRomance - Aderyn and Dallandra, with the former being bitterly aware of it.
* MeaningfulName - Nevyn and Yraen, though you need to check the spelling guide.

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* {{Expy}} - {{Expy}}: Only for the 835-843 timeline, but: Nevyn is Merlin, Maryn is King Arthur, Maddyn is Lancelot, Merodda is Morgan le Fay and many others. The whole plot arc plays out as a retelling of the King Arthur legend.
* FictionalDocument - FictionalDocument: ''The Secret Book of Cadwallon the Druid'' and the Pseudo-Iamblicus Scroll are the most prominent.
* FiveRaces - There are five intelligent species, the others associated with one of the four classical ElementalPowers in the series' magic system: Elves to air, Dwarves to earth, Gel da Thae to fire, and Dwrgi to water. Since HumansAreSpecial, they get ElementNumberFive, aethyr.
* FeudingFamilies -
FeudingFamilies: The cause of many a minor war in Deverry. During the Time of Troubles, many clans chose one side purely because a rival clan chose the other, and backing the opposing claim would grant them free license to attack their personal enemies without political repurcussions.
* {{Flashback}} - {{Flashback}}: Major parts of most books deal with the past, going beyond any normal use. The characters' current lives [[VisionsOfAnotherSelf often echo their previous ones]], though usually with significant differences.
* ForeShadowing - ForeShadowing: A lot, with probably the most significant one being "Rhodry's Wyrd is Eldidd's Wyrd".
* ForeverWar - ForeverWar: Nevyn notes that the civil wars are turning into this.
* HalfHumanHybrid - HalfHumanHybrid: Most often half-elves, but there are hybrids of all the non-human races.
* HeartbrokenBadass - %%* HeartbrokenBadass: Rhodry, Laz Moj
* HeelFaceTurn - HeelFaceTurn: Laz Moj manages this after he has a HeelRealization of evil done in previous lives as [[spoiler:Alastyr and Tren]].
* HeirClubForMen - HeirClubForMen: The death of a king who had no sons and three daughters - -- each of whom had married a powerful noble and given him a son - son: resulted in the century long SuccessionCrisis referred to in the series as the Time of Troubles. Trouble brews in Eldidd in the first arc when Gwerbret Rhys turns out to be sterile and unable to produce an heir.
* HostageSituation - HostageSituation: Prince Mael of Aberwyn spent about twenty years of his life in one. He was captured during his first campaign as a soldier during the Time of Troubles, and not ransomed back for decades because the King of Cerrmor felt that the secure border he gained by having a royal hostage was far more valuable than the gold he'd get by returning him. The young prince, with nothing to do all that time but read in his tower cell, ended up becoming a philosopher, who would be come known as Mael the Seer, or Mael y Gwaedd (later contracted to Maelwaedd).
* ImmortalProcreationClause - ImmortalProcreationClause: The Elves. Played straight, though it does come up in a [[DiscussedTrope discussion]] between Dallandra and Calonderiel.
* ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty - ImmortalityBeginsAtTwenty: Elves age normally through childhood and adolescence into adulthood, then stop aging until a year or so before they're about to die of old age.
* ImportantHaircut - ImportantHaircut: Jill, after leaving her home village with her father; Lilli (twice), first when running away from her mother, and later when mourning for [[spoiler:Branoic]].
* {{Karma}} - {{Karma}}: Bad actions will have consequences in your next life, [[CallItKarma if not earlier]]. The elven priests also tried to [[InvokedTrope invoke]] it to justify their excesses.
* LegacyCharacter - LegacyCharacter: Nevyn's common explanation for having the same name and skills as an old advisor or sorcerer mentioned in historical accounts. Either the name Nevyn is a title passed on from teacher to student, or [[MyGrandsonMyself he is a descendant of the Nevyn they're thinking of]].
* LieToTheBeholder - LieToTheBeholder: The illusion Evandar placed on Dalla. Worked on all humans but not elves.
* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters - LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: There are four major time periods and seven minor ones, and over twenty characters who reincarnate in more than one of them (Not to mention Nevyn appearing in person in many of them). And then there are those characters who are only in one time period.
* %%* LongRunningBookSeries
* LossOfIdentity - LossOfIdentity: Rhodry in ''The Dragon Revenant'', Laz Moj for a short while in the beginning of ''The Silver Mage''.
* LoveMakesYouCrazy - LoveMakesYouCrazy: Bellyra, but she's a good enough person not to be in actual {{Yandere}} territory. [[spoiler:She commits suicide instead.]]
* ManipulativeBastard - ManipulativeBastard: Laz Moj. Nevyn feels like he might be one when ending the civil war.
* %%* MarketBasedTitle
* MarriageBeforeRomance - MarriageBeforeRomance: Sevinna and Dwaen, in ''Days of Air and Darkness''.
* MayflyDecemberRomance - MayflyDecemberRomance: Aderyn and Dallandra, with the former being bitterly aware of it.
* MeaningfulName - MeaningfulName: Nevyn and Yraen, though you need to check the spelling guide.



* MeleeATrois - Though not in the actual battles, the civil war is this on the national scale.
* MustMakeAmends - Nevyn spends several hundred years trying to get the chance to teach magic to various incarnations of his lover Brangwen after he had caused her death.

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* MeleeATrois - MeleeATrois: Though not in the actual battles, the civil war is this on the national scale.
* MustMakeAmends - MustMakeAmends: Nevyn spends several hundred years trying to get the chance to teach magic to various incarnations of his lover Brangwen after he had caused her death.



* NoManOfWomanBorn - The most obvious one is that Lord Corbyn "can never be slain in battle except by sword, but he'll never be slain by any man's hand." A frequently used one is any reference to no one. Since that is the literal translation of Nevyn's name...
** There's also a sequence which is set up to make you think a woman is going to kill the bad guy. It turns out to be a male character who is part elf (and therefore not a "man" in the human sense).
* NoodleIncident - Nevyn was said to have clashed with the dark wizard Tondalo numerous times over their multi-century lives, but despite all the flashbacks to previous generations, the only time they are shown going up against each other is their final confrontation in ''The Dragon Revenant''.
* ObfuscatingStupidity - Salamander, who prattles endlessly and travels as a common gerthddyn (roaming bard) to conceal the fact that he's a sorcerer.
-->'''Jill:''' Do you have to babble on about everything?
-->'''Salamander:''' Well, actually, I do, because it relieves my feelings and makes me sound like a fool, which is exactly what I want our enemies to think me.

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* NoManOfWomanBorn - NoManOfWomanBorn: The most obvious one is that Lord Corbyn "can never be slain in battle except by sword, but he'll never be slain by any man's hand." A frequently used one is any reference to no one. Since that is the literal translation of Nevyn's name...
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name. There's also a sequence which is set up to make you think a woman is going to kill the bad guy. It turns out to be a male character who is part elf (and therefore not a "man" in the human sense).
* NoodleIncident - NoodleIncident: Nevyn was said to have clashed with the dark wizard Tondalo numerous times over their multi-century lives, but despite all the flashbacks to previous generations, the only time they are shown going up against each other is their final confrontation in ''The Dragon Revenant''.
* ObfuscatingStupidity - ObfuscatingStupidity: Salamander, who prattles endlessly and travels as a common gerthddyn (roaming bard) to conceal the fact that he's a sorcerer.
-->'''Jill:''' Do you have to babble on about everything?
-->'''Salamander:'''
everything?\\
'''Salamander:'''
Well, actually, I do, because it relieves my feelings and makes me sound like a fool, which is exactly what I want our enemies to think me.



* PoorCommunicationKills - The series would be a lot shorter and quite different if the Dweomer-masters of different races had better contacts between each other. This is mostly justified, though, in that this is only obvious to a (modern) reader who [[FridgeLogic starts thinking about it]].
* PropheciesAreAlwaysRight - Often vague, but they do come true. In some way.
* ReallySevenHundredYearsOld - Elves don't visibly age until a year or so before they're about to die of old age. Nevyn and Aderyn both look old, but are several hundred years older than most people would think.
* {{Reincarnation}} - Central to both the themes and plots.
** ReincarnationRomance - The main point of the first four books is to snap Jill and Rhodry out of theirs.
* {{Retcon}} - ''Daggerspell'' and ''Darkspell'' were later released in a revised edition. Changes to the former are minimal, but there are considerable changes to the latter, especially the character of Sarcyn, who was rewritten to be more in line with how Kerr originally envisioned him.
* SacredHospitality - Not as strong as in some other places, but a definite element of the Deverrian culture.
* SeekingSanctuary - During the Time of Troubles, the women of the near-extinct Wolf Clan take shelter in a nearby temple to escape the Boars. The Boar clan respects the sanctity of the temple, but leaves a guard detail just outside temple lands so that the women can't leave.
* SillyReasonForWar - The first war shown in the series is fought over pig food. Of course, the ''real'' reason was that the two noble families in question had hated each other for generations, the swine rights issue was just the excuse (They'd run out of good ones over the course of three generations of on and off feuding).
* SkewedPriorities: Perryn is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone absolutely horrified]] when he finds out that he might have started a war - because wars in Deverry are fought mainly with cavalry, and so a war means that many innocent horses will die. It's pointed out to him that a lot of ''human beings'' will also die, but he barely seems to notice that part.

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* PoorCommunicationKills - PoorCommunicationKills: The series would be a lot shorter and quite different if the Dweomer-masters of different races had better contacts between each other. This is mostly justified, though, in that this is only obvious to a (modern) reader who [[FridgeLogic starts thinking about it]].
* PropheciesAreAlwaysRight - PropheciesAreAlwaysRight: Often vague, but they do come true. In some way.
* ReallySevenHundredYearsOld - ReallySevenHundredYearsOld: Elves don't visibly age until a year or so before they're about to die of old age. Nevyn and Aderyn both look old, but are several hundred years older than most people would think.
* {{Reincarnation}} - %%* {{Reincarnation}}: Central to both the themes and plots.
** ReincarnationRomance - %%* ReincarnationRomance: The main point of the first four books is to snap Jill and Rhodry out of theirs.
* {{Retcon}} - {{Retcon}}: ''Daggerspell'' and ''Darkspell'' were later released in a revised edition. Changes to the former are minimal, but there are considerable changes to the latter, especially the character of Sarcyn, who was rewritten to be more in line with how Kerr originally envisioned him.
* SacredHospitality - SacredHospitality: Not as strong as in some other places, but a definite element of the Deverrian culture.
* SeekingSanctuary - SeekingSanctuary: During the Time of Troubles, the women of the near-extinct Wolf Clan take shelter in a nearby temple to escape the Boars. The Boar clan respects the sanctity of the temple, but leaves a guard detail just outside temple lands so that the women can't leave.
* SillyReasonForWar - SillyReasonForWar: The first war shown in the series is fought over pig food. Of course, the ''real'' reason was that the two noble families in question had hated each other for generations, the swine rights issue was just the excuse (They'd run out of good ones over the course of three generations of on and off feuding).
* SkewedPriorities: Perryn is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone absolutely horrified]] when he finds out that he might have started a war - -- because wars in Deverry are fought mainly with cavalry, and so a war means that many innocent horses will die. It's pointed out to him that a lot of ''human beings'' will also die, but he barely seems to notice that part.



* SpurnedIntoSuicide - The eventual result of Galrion leaving Brangwen.
* SuccessionCrisis - The cause of both Deverrian civil wars. Also nearly occurred in ''The Dragon Revenant'', with Rhys dead without issue and Rhodry missing.
* TakeAThirdOption - Towards the end of ''The Dragon Revenant'', Nevyn comments that he didn't see this possibility when he was young.
* TrialByCombat - Part of the Deverrian justice code, but generally discouraged. Also, if one party is obviously a superior fighter than the other, the weaker party may seek a champion to fight on his behalf to prevent such trials from becoming judicially sanctioned murder.
* ATrueStoryInMyUniverse - The narrator of the books is an 18th century Deverrian woman, though this is only made explicit at the end of the final book.
* UnexpectedSuccessor - Pertyc Maelwaedd, with a bit of OfferedTheCrown mixed in. Maryn, in the Time of Troubles (being from a fourth faction that didn't even exist when the wars began).

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* SpurnedIntoSuicide - SpurnedIntoSuicide: The eventual result of Galrion leaving Brangwen.
* SuccessionCrisis - SuccessionCrisis: The cause of both Deverrian civil wars. Also nearly occurred in ''The Dragon Revenant'', with Rhys dead without issue and Rhodry missing.
* TakeAThirdOption - TakeAThirdOption: Towards the end of ''The Dragon Revenant'', Nevyn comments that he didn't see this possibility when he was young.
* TrialByCombat - TrialByCombat: Part of the Deverrian justice code, but generally discouraged. Also, if one party is obviously a superior fighter than the other, the weaker party may seek a champion to fight on his behalf to prevent such trials from becoming judicially sanctioned murder.
* ATrueStoryInMyUniverse - ATrueStoryInMyUniverse: The narrator of the books is an 18th century Deverrian woman, though this is only made explicit at the end of the final book.
* UnexpectedSuccessor - UnexpectedSuccessor: Pertyc Maelwaedd, with a bit of OfferedTheCrown mixed in. Maryn, in the Time of Troubles (being from a fourth faction that didn't even exist when the wars began).



* WhamEpisode - The end of The Fire Dragon, which is also the source of most of the spoiler tags on this page.

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* WhamEpisode - WhamEpisode: The end of The Fire Dragon, which is also the source of most of the spoiler tags on this page.



* TheWisePrince - Rhodry, Glyn the First. Rhodry enjoys most of his reign, actually, but you only see him at the beginning and the end when he's not so happy with the job.
* WretchedHive - Slaith is a NotSoSafeHarbor (type 1) and the Bilge is TheCityNarrows for Cerrmor.
* [[YouKilledMyFather You Killed My Brother]] - Averted. Rhodry did kill Meer's brother, and they both know it, but Meer acknowledges that things like that happen when two soldiers on opposite sides of a war meet on a battlefield and doesn't hold a grudge.

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* TheWisePrince - TheWisePrince: Rhodry, Glyn the First. Rhodry enjoys most of his reign, actually, but you only see him at the beginning and the end when he's not so happy with the job.
* WretchedHive - WretchedHive: Slaith is a NotSoSafeHarbor (type 1) and the Bilge is TheCityNarrows for Cerrmor.
* [[YouKilledMyFather You Killed My Brother]] - Averted. Rhodry did kill Meer's brother, and they both know it, but Meer acknowledges that things like that happen when two soldiers on opposite sides of a war meet on a battlefield and doesn't hold a grudge.




* AstralProjection - Quite well detailed. The written form is consistent enough to almost qualify as StockFootage.
* AuraVision - Viewing auras is the basic skill, with manipulating them being the advanced form.

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\n* AstralProjection - {{Animorphism}}: Mortal practitioners can transform into a single animal, which is a reflection of their inner nature.
* AstralProjection:
Quite well detailed. The written form is consistent enough to almost qualify as StockFootage.
* AuraVision - AuraVision: Viewing auras is the basic skill, with manipulating them being the advanced form. form.
* BalefulPolymorph: Discussed but never actually performed. Shapeshifting is a difficult enough process when doing it to one's self, so performing it on an unwilling subject would be even less likely to work without killing the subject (and there are easier ways to kill a man with magic). Besides, as discussed in the tropes below, none of the stories involving this trope mention anything about the resultant frog being big enough to ride.



* ClingyMacGuffin - Rhodry's silver dagger. The other silver daggers work similarly for Otho, but aren't {{MacGuffin}}s.
* ColourCodedForYourConvenience - The auras on the Ethereal plane.
* DreamWeaver - Dalla, possibly others.
* HermeticMagic - The magic system is quite detailed, being based on the Kabbalistic system and then expanded with other sources.
* IKnowYourTrueName - Dragons and the Guardians. There's a restriction, though: it requires a certain kind of pronunciation of the name, usually acquired in magical or priestly training. This also means the name can still be used in casual conversation.
* MagicAIsMagicA - Consistent to the degree that there's noticeable repetition in different books when the characters build Bodies of Light or create Seals. The limitations of magic are also clearly shown, affect the story and are commented upon by the dweomerworkers.
* MagiciansAreWizards - Salamander as the Great Krysello in Bardek.
* MindManipulation - A important part of the Dweomer power set. Often done through the victim's aura.
** BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood - Nevyn on Rhodry, Dallandra on Verrarc; in both cases to protect someone.
** CharmPerson - Often described as "spinning" the target's aura.
** {{Deprogram}} - Rhodry is lucky and gets his memories back. Camdel, not so much...
** FakeMemories - Aderyn to Corbyn's messengers.
** FightingFromTheInside - Jahdo against Verrarc's suggestion.
** HypnoticEyes - Since eyes are the windows of the soul, eye-contact is usually necessary, at least to initiate the manipulation.
** LaserGuidedAmnesia - Nevyn makes Rhodry forget that Bocc is a thief; many other uses as well.
** MindRape - Alastyr and Sarcyn against Camdel, Baruma against Rhodry. Physical pain, humiliation and physical rape are used in conjuction with magic.
** PerceptionFilter - Pulling one's own aura close.
** {{Telepathy}} - Mind-to-mind speech, often through fire but sometimes water or some other element.
*** ThinkInText - Mainly the widest-known italic convention is used to show the above. It has other uses in the series, but this is the most obvious.
** TongueTied - Jahdo in ''Days of Blood and Fire'' thanks to Verrarc's clever use of ensorcellment.
* MundaneUtility - The elemental spirits of fire are used a lot to light candles and fires.
* PsychicLink - Weak, but Jill/Branna and Nevyn/Neb have one, and Perryn could tell what direction Jill was in.
* ShapeShifting - Much more natural to elven dweomermasters, but at least humans can learn it as well. [[spoiler: The "Water" race, Dwergi, also have a natural form of shapeshifting.]]
** {{Animorphism}} - Mortal practitioners have the ability to transform into a single animal, which is a reflection of their inner nature.
** BalefulPolymorph - Discussed but never actually performed. Shapeshifting is a difficult enough process when doing it to one's self, so performing it on an unwilling subject would be even less likely to work without killing the subject (and there are easier ways to kill a man with magic). Besides, as discussed in the tropes below, none of the stories involving this trope mention anything about the resultant frog being big enough to ride.
** TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody - Jill (Hawk) once almost attacks Dallandra (Linnet.. sorta) when both are shifted.
** NoConservationOfEnergy - Averted, a magician's mazrak form is the same mass as their normal form. This tends to make a mazrak easy to identify, as 150+ pound birds are not natural.
** ShapeshifterModeLock - In ''The Silver Mage''
** ShapeshifterBaggage - Averted; most shifters either return to where they shifted, or have a bag to carry clothes in. Shapeshifters also retain mass, making them damn big in animal form.
** ShapeshifterDefaultForm - The Guardians consider the humanoid form to be their "natural" one.
** VoluntaryShapeshifting - In fact, learning even the one form requires years of training for mortals.
* TalkingInYourDreams - Used a lot; Dallandra is the most prominent but the Guardians, Nevyn, Nananna and Niffa are also proficient. Considering that Rhodry doesn't have any training in magic, he manages pretty well in this too.

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%%* BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood: Nevyn on Rhodry, Dallandra on Verrarc; in both cases to protect someone.
%%* CharmPerson: Often described as "spinning" the target's aura.
* ClingyMacGuffin - ClingyMacGuffin: Rhodry's silver dagger. The other silver daggers work similarly for Otho, but aren't {{MacGuffin}}s.
* ColourCodedForYourConvenience - ColourCodedForYourConvenience: The auras on the Ethereal plane.
%%* {{Deprogram}}: Rhodry is lucky and gets his memories back. Camdel, not so much...
* DreamWeaver - DreamWeaver: Dalla, possibly others.
* HermeticMagic - The magic system is quite detailed, being based on the Kabbalistic system and then expanded with other sources.%%* FakeMemories: Aderyn to Corbyn's messengers.
%%* FightingFromTheInside: Jahdo against Verrarc's suggestion.

* IKnowYourTrueName - HermeticMagic: The magic system is quite detailed, being based on the Kabbalistic system and then expanded with other sources.
* HypnoticEyes: Since eyes are the windows of the soul, eye-contact is usually necessary for mind-based magic, at least to initiate the manipulation.
* IKnowYourTrueName:
Dragons and the Guardians. There's a restriction, though: it requires a certain kind of pronunciation of the name, usually acquired in magical or priestly training. This also means the name can still be used in casual conversation.
* MagicAIsMagicA - LaserGuidedAmnesia: Nevyn makes Rhodry forget that Bocc is a thief.
* MagicAIsMagicA:
Consistent to the degree that there's noticeable repetition in different books when the characters build Bodies of Light or create Seals. The limitations of magic are also clearly shown, affect the story and are commented upon by the dweomerworkers.
* MagiciansAreWizards - %%* MagiciansAreWizards: Salamander as the Great Krysello in Bardek.
* MindManipulation - TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody: Jill (Hawk) once almost attacks Dallandra (Linnet.. sorta) when both are shifted.
* MindManipulation:
A important part of the Dweomer power set. Often done through the victim's aura.
** BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood - Nevyn on Rhodry, Dallandra on Verrarc; in both cases to protect someone.
** CharmPerson - Often described as "spinning" the target's aura.
** {{Deprogram}} - Rhodry is lucky and gets his memories back. Camdel, not so much...
** FakeMemories - Aderyn to Corbyn's messengers.
** FightingFromTheInside - Jahdo against Verrarc's suggestion.
** HypnoticEyes - Since eyes are the windows of the soul, eye-contact is usually necessary, at least to initiate the manipulation.
** LaserGuidedAmnesia - Nevyn makes Rhodry forget that Bocc is a thief; many other uses as well.
** MindRape -
* MindRape: Alastyr and Sarcyn against Camdel, Baruma against Rhodry. Physical pain, humiliation and physical rape are used in conjuction with magic.
** PerceptionFilter - * MundaneUtility: The elemental spirits of fire are used a lot to light candles and fires.
%%* PerceptionFilter:
Pulling one's own aura close.
** {{Telepathy}} - Mind-to-mind speech, often through fire but sometimes water or some other element.
*** ThinkInText - Mainly the widest-known italic convention is used to show the above. It has other uses in the series, but this is the most obvious.
** TongueTied - Jahdo in ''Days of Blood and Fire'' thanks to Verrarc's clever use of ensorcellment.
* MundaneUtility - The elemental spirits of fire are used a lot to light candles and fires.
* PsychicLink -
PsychicLink: Weak, but Jill/Branna and Nevyn/Neb have one, and Perryn could tell what direction Jill was in.
%%* ShapeshifterModeLock: In ''The Silver Mage''
* ShapeShifting - ShapeshifterDefaultForm: The Guardians consider the humanoid form to be their "natural" one.
* ShapeShifting:
Much more natural to elven dweomermasters, but at least humans can learn it as well. [[spoiler: The "Water" race, Dwergi, Dwergi]], also have a natural form of shapeshifting.]]
** {{Animorphism}} - Mortal practitioners have the ability to transform into a single animal, which is a reflection of their inner nature.
** BalefulPolymorph - Discussed but never actually performed. Shapeshifting is a difficult enough process when doing it to one's self, so performing it on an unwilling subject would be even less likely to work without killing the subject (and there are easier ways to kill a man with magic). Besides, as discussed in the tropes below, none of the stories involving this trope mention anything about the resultant frog being big enough to ride.
** TheMindIsAPlaythingOfTheBody - Jill (Hawk) once almost attacks Dallandra (Linnet.. sorta) when both are shifted.
** NoConservationOfEnergy - Averted, a magician's mazrak form is the same mass as their normal form. This tends to make a mazrak easy to identify, as 150+ pound birds are not natural.
** ShapeshifterModeLock - In ''The Silver Mage''
** ShapeshifterBaggage - Averted; most shifters either return to where they shifted, or have a bag to carry clothes in. Shapeshifters also retain mass, making them damn big in animal form.
** ShapeshifterDefaultForm - The Guardians consider the humanoid form to be their "natural" one.
** VoluntaryShapeshifting - In fact, learning even the one form requires years of training for mortals.
shapeshifting.
* TalkingInYourDreams - TalkingInYourDreams: Used a lot; Dallandra is the most prominent but the Guardians, Nevyn, Nananna and Niffa are also proficient. Considering that Rhodry doesn't have any training in magic, he manages pretty well in this too.too.
* {{Telepathy}}: Mind-to-mind speech, often through fire but sometimes water or some other element.
* ThinkInText: Italics are used to show {{Telepathy}}.
* TongueTied: Jahdo in ''Days of Blood and Fire'' thanks to Verrarc's clever use of ensorcellment.



* VisionQuest - Aderyn at the end of his training.
* WeatherControlMachine - Nevyn, Dallandra and Jill, the first two causing WeatherDissonance when a PersonalRaincloud appears over only one of the armies present.

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* VisionQuest - %%* VisionQuest: Aderyn at the end of his training.
* WeatherControlMachine - WeatherControlMachine: Nevyn, Dallandra and Jill, the first two causing WeatherDissonance when a PersonalRaincloud appears over only one of the armies present.



* WrongContextMagic - Perryn's abilities to Nevyn and Elaeno.
* YourMindMakesItReal - The Ethereal and other planes.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance Being in a pseudo-medieval setting based on celtic culture, this shows up in many things. One of the most jarring, though, is in the 843-850 storyline, where Prince Maryn is considered the perfect virtuous prince while at the same time being a faithless husband to Belyrra and an aggressive, emotionally manipulative partner to his mistress Lillorigga. [[spoiler: Maryn never sees what he is doing wrong, even when his appaling conduct drived his wife to suicide.]] Towards the end Nevyn belatedly realized that while spending a decade raising Maryn to be the perfect warrior prince to end a three-way SuccessionCrisis that had been tearing the country apart for a century, he had neglected Maryn's education in matters not directly related to war and statescraft, [[spoiler:and after Bella's suicide he left Maryn's court in disgust]].

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance Being in a pseudo-medieval setting based on celtic Celtic culture, this shows up in many things. One of the most jarring, though, is in the 843-850 storyline, where Prince Maryn is considered the perfect virtuous prince while at the same time being a faithless husband to Belyrra and an aggressive, emotionally manipulative partner to his mistress Lillorigga. [[spoiler: Maryn never sees what he is doing wrong, even when his appaling conduct drived his wife to suicide.]] Towards the end Nevyn belatedly realized that while spending a decade raising Maryn to be the perfect warrior prince to end a three-way SuccessionCrisis that had been tearing the country apart for a century, he had neglected Maryn's education in matters not directly related to war and statescraft, statecraft, [[spoiler:and after Bella's suicide he left Maryn's court in disgust]].



* FeudingFamilies - The cause of many a minor war in Deverry. During the Time of Troubles, many clans chose one side purely because a rival clan chose the other, and backing the opposing claim would grant them free license to attack their personal enemies without political repurcussions.



* LoveMakesYouCrazy - Bellyra, but she's a good enough person not to be in actual {{Yandere}} territory.

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* LoveMakesYouCrazy - Bellyra, but she's a good enough person not to be in actual {{Yandere}} territory. [[spoiler:She commits suicide instead.]]



* MyGrandsonMyself: Used by Nevyn multiple times over the centuries. Also accidentally happens to Rhodry in the third arc when some court officials note that a mercenary from Aberwyn bears a stunning resemblance to Gwerbret Cullyn of Aberwyn (Rhodry's son) and assumes that said mercenary must be an unacknowledged bastard of the Gwerbret, who was named after Cullyn's late father.



* SeekingSanctuary - During the Time of Troubles, the women of the near-extinct Wolf Clan take shelter in a nearby temple to escape the Boars. The Boar clan respects the sanctity of the temple, but leaves a guard detail just outside temple lands so that the women can't leave.



* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: Played with. True mastery includes tremendous mental discipline, meaning that the most powerful dweomer masters are also extremely sane. What brings insanity is trying to learn magic without having enough strength of will, or learning a bit of it and then letting your studies lapse. In other words, With ''Moderate'' Power Comes Great Insanity.

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* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: Played with. True mastery includes tremendous mental discipline, meaning that the most powerful dweomer masters are also extremely sane. What brings insanity is trying to learn magic without having enough strength of will, or learning a bit of it and then letting your studies lapse. In other words, With ''Moderate'' Power Comes Great Insanity. It even gets mentioned in the ''Secret Book of Cadwallon the Druid'', which argues that practicing magic exposes and tests every flaw in the practitioner's minds. If some practitioners break on those flaws, is it the magic's fault?
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance Being in a pseudo-medieval setting based on celtic culture, this shows up in many things. One of the most jarring, though, is in the 843-850 storyline, where Prince Maryn is considered the perfect virtuous prince while at the same time being a faithless husband to Belyrra and an aggressive, emotionally manipulative partner to his mistress Lillorigga. [[spoiler: Maryn never sees what he is doing wrong, even when his appaling conduct drived his wife to suicide.]]]] Towards the end Nevyn belatedly realized that while spending a decade raising Maryn to be the perfect warrior prince to end a three-way SuccessionCrisis that had been tearing the country apart for a century, he had neglected Maryn's education in matters not directly related to war and statescraft, [[spoiler:and after Bella's suicide he left Maryn's court in disgust]].
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** HypnoticEyes - Since eyes are the WindowsOfTheSoul, eye-contact is usually necessary, at least to initiate the manipulation.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance Being in a pseudo-medieval setting based on celtic culture, this shows up in many things. One of the most jarring, though, is in the 843-850 storyline, where Prince Maryn is considered the perfect virtuous prince while at the same time being a faithless husband to Belyrra and agressive, an aggressive, emotionally manipulative partner to his mistress Lillorigga. [[spoiler: Maryn never sees what he is doing wrong, even when his appaling conduct drived his wife to suicide.]]
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* LiteraryAgentHypothesis - The narrator of the books is an 18th century Deverrian woman, though this is only made explicit at the end of the final book.


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* LegacyCharacter - Nevyn's common explanation for having the same name and skills as an old advisor or sorcerer mentioned in historical accounts. Either the name Nevyn is a title passed on from teacher to student, or [[KingBobTheNth he is a descendant of the Nevyn they're thinking of]].

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* LegacyCharacter - Nevyn's common explanation for having the same name and skills as an old advisor or sorcerer mentioned in historical accounts. Either the name Nevyn is a title passed on from teacher to student, or [[KingBobTheNth [[MyGrandsonMyself he is a descendant of the Nevyn they're thinking of]].
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The novels use a richly detailed system of magic, called ''dweomer'', which is based upon real-world magical traditions, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaballah Kaballah]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism Rosicrucianism]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn the Golden Dawn]] Although dweomer is nominally a path to spiritual enlightenment, it produces quite spectacular displays, and can be powerful enough to steer the destiny of nations. Dweomer requires both an inherent gift as well as long study to use, and is a combination of [[FunctionalMagic Theurgy and Force Magic]].

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The novels use a richly detailed system of magic, called ''dweomer'', which is based upon real-world magical traditions, such as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaballah Kaballah]], Kaballah,]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucianism Rosicrucianism]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn the Golden Dawn]] Although dweomer is nominally a path to spiritual enlightenment, it produces quite spectacular displays, and can be powerful enough to steer the destiny of nations. Dweomer requires both an inherent gift as well as long study to use, and is a combination of [[FunctionalMagic Theurgy and Force Magic]].
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* AnAesop - Every once in a while, a lesson in Wyrd (karma). Prince Mael of Aberwyn is locked up in a tower for twenty years, ultimately [[StockholmSyndrome deciding he doesn't want to leave]] and that this limited environment will be his home for the rest of his life. The moment he makes this decision, he is set free, having "learned" the wisdom of accepting that which is and not striving against it. Prince Loddlaen was gifted in magic, but the narrative stresses that he should never have been taught any, since he was mentally/emotionally unstable due to something his mother had done while pregnant with him.


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* EvilIsHammy: At one point Nevyn reads a few lines from a book of BlackMagic and scoffs at how bombastic and theatrical it is. Also, dark dweomer practitioners use [[FashionVictimVillain extremely elaborate]] astral forms made to look like stereotypical [[EvilSorcerer Evil Sorcerers]], while heroic magic-users just wear simple, featureless human shapes.


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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: The dark dweomer never accepts women into its ranks. Considering the DeliberateValuesDissonance of the setting, this would not be noteworthy except for the fact that the pure dweomer ''does'' have female members.


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* TrainingTheGiftOfMagic: You have to be born to the dweomer to have any chance to master it, and it then takes decades of studying under a teacher before you are considered even competent. If you do not train or otherwise exercise your gift, it will eventually fade away.
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* TheBaroness: Raena is a subversion. She'd ''like'' to be a sexy badass, and does things like take a minion to her bed as a reward and [[FullFrontalAssault attack Rhodry while still naked after having shapeshifted.]] However, Rhodry despises her too much to be the least bit distracted, and the minion was secretly repulsed by her and only slept with her because he was afraid of what she'd do to him if he didn't.


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* WhipItGood: Subverted at one point when Raena attacks Rhodry with a whip, for no apparent reason other than to continue her theme of trying and failing to be a [[TheBaroness stereotypical sexy villainess.]] Turns out, a whip isn't a particularly practical weapon, especially when you've no particular training with one, and Raena keeps getting it tangled up.

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* CharmPerson: One handy application of dweomer is to give another person's aura a spin, which puts them in a sort of instant hypnotic trance where they'll do whatever you tell them.


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* WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity: Played with. True mastery includes tremendous mental discipline, meaning that the most powerful dweomer masters are also extremely sane. What brings insanity is trying to learn magic without having enough strength of will, or learning a bit of it and then letting your studies lapse. In other words, With ''Moderate'' Power Comes Great Insanity.
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* VillainousUnderdog: Most antagonists either start out as this or undergo rapid VillainDecay. Magic-users are especially affected, since the heroes include the greatest dweomer masters alive while the villains are at best inferior practitioners, at worst not even true dweomer masters at all but [[IneptMage self-taught bumblers]] using a few limited tricks. Martially inclined villains fare a bit better, but they're still eventually worn down and defeated. Also, most villains are either insane or just very stupid and ignorant (indeed, sometimes their villainy [[ObliviouslyEvil springs entirely from their stupidity]]), whereas the heroes at least enjoy [[SanityHasAdvantages the benefits of common sense.]]
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* AllWomenAreLustful: Despite out-of-wedlock pregnancy frequently being shown as a major problem, not only do male characters never seem to hesitate at trying to seduce women, but they usually have no trouble succeeding either, even with women who seem otherwise intelligent and prudent.


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* ObliviouslyEvil: Perryn is under the impression that he's just [[KavorkaMan good at seducing women.]] He's actually unconsciously [[CharmPerson enchanting them]] into sleeping with him, making him a serial rapist without being aware of it.


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* SkewedPriorities: Perryn is [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone absolutely horrified]] when he finds out that he might have started a war - because wars in Deverry are fought mainly with cavalry, and so a war means that many innocent horses will die. It's pointed out to him that a lot of ''human beings'' will also die, but he barely seems to notice that part.


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* BlackMagic: The dark dweomer, which takes the enlightened practices of normal dweomer and turns them to twisted, selfish ends. Unusually, it seems to be in many ways ''weaker'' than regular magic, since it's fighting the natural order of things, but it does let you do things like extend your lifespan through blood sacrifice.
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* AreYouSureYouWantToDoThat: Dweomer masters are sworn to confirm the existence of reincarnation to anyone who asks, on the assumption that the only person who'll suspect that's how it works is someone who is fated for the dweomer. It is also assumed that it's best if everyone ''not'' fated for the dweomer doesn't inquire too far into the subject. At one point, Rhodry has gotten some hints he shouldn't have and is starting to ask Nevyn some questions that are getting a little too close to the mark, and Nevyn ominously tells him to be ''very'' [[YouDoNOTWantToKnow sure that he wants to know.]] Rhodry decides that he probably doesn't.
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* NoodleIncident - Nevyn was said to have clashed with the dark wizard Tondalo numerous times over their multi-century lives, but despite all the flashbacks to previous generations, the only time they are shown going up against each other is their final confrontation in ''The Dragon Revenant''.
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* HostageSituation - Prince Mael of Aberwyn spent about twenty years of his life as one. He was captured during his first campaign as a soldier during the Time of Troubles, and not ransomed back for decades because the King of Cerrmor felt that the secure border he gained by having a royal hostage was far more valuable than the gold he'd get by returning him. The young prince, with nothing to do all that time but read in his tower cell, ended up becoming a philosopher, who would be come known as Mael the Seer, or Mael y Gwaedd (later contracted to Maelwaedd).

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* HostageSituation - Prince Mael of Aberwyn spent about twenty years of his life as in one. He was captured during his first campaign as a soldier during the Time of Troubles, and not ransomed back for decades because the King of Cerrmor felt that the secure border he gained by having a royal hostage was far more valuable than the gold he'd get by returning him. The young prince, with nothing to do all that time but read in his tower cell, ended up becoming a philosopher, who would be come known as Mael the Seer, or Mael y Gwaedd (later contracted to Maelwaedd).
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* TrialByCombat - Part of the Deverrian justice code, but generally discouraged. Also, if one party is obviously a superior fighter than the other, the weaker party may seek a champion to fight on his behalf to prevent such trials from becoming judicially sanctioned murder.

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