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* How did Deathwing know what Rhonin was doing? While I get the whole of Deathwing's plan in "Day of the Dragon", how did he know about the mission Rhonin was on? The book doesn't offer an explanation, just that he knew. Rhonin does even ask how he knew.

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* How did Deathwing know what Rhonin was doing? While I get the whole of Deathwing's plan in "Day of the Dragon", how did he know about the mission Rhonin was on? The book doesn't offer an explanation, just that he knew. Rhonin does doesn't even ask how he knew.
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** We do not really see the difference between people turned by the plague and people turned by ordinary necromancy, but Mal'Ganis apparently was aiming for the former to do its job, so he must have his reasons. It's also possible Arthas' men make quite sure the bodies they leave behind cannot be salvaged by the Scourge, such as mangling them, burning them, or warding them against necromancy.
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** His role in the game basically comes down to bullying the Alliance, Horde, and Night Elves into getting to the same place and working together to stop Archimonde. He never actually directly intervened. I guess he felt that once they'd all understood how to fight together, from then on it was up to them.
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* Alright, I understand Arthas was already quite nuts, enough to decide he'd rather commit mass murder of innocents instead of them being turned into the undead, but did he really think his plan could have worked? What was stopping the Scourge from raising the people Arthas killed by his hand? I can guess Arthas DidntThinkThisThrough and Mal'ganis was probably playing along (otherwise his actions wouldn't make sense either) but I'm surprised this is never brought up.
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* In the ending cutscene to Reign of Chaos, Medivh says the world no longer needs guardians. Huh? Sure the mortals managed to beat off the Burning Legion, but it was a hell of a near-run thing. Not to mention that if the guardians were so powerful (Aegwynn defeated Sargeras) then having one around would help avert a lot of the lives lost in the war.
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** I'm not seeing it as outright "CharacterDerailment" as mucg a case of "HeWhoFightsMonsters". And the sarcastic tone in her voice seems to be her boasting that there really isn't a difference, except [[GenreSavvy she knows she's a]] DesignatedHero. She's a MagnificentBastard, and AntiVillain only because she's on the "Good Guy's" team, yet there's nothing her "[[EnemyMine allies]]" can really do about it, because she [[ButNotTooEvil merely skirts]] the MoralEventHorizon, so the horde can't really do anything to stop her carefully-restricted actions without diving into DisproportionateRetribution. And as long as she's [[TeethClenchedTeamwork serving the horde]], she's still an invaluable resource, as detestable as she might be. Check out the TruthInTelevision section of HeWhoFightsMonsters for an explanation on how it's not quite CharacterDerailment.

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** I'm not seeing it as outright "CharacterDerailment" as mucg a case of "HeWhoFightsMonsters". And the sarcastic tone in her voice seems to be her boasting that there really isn't a difference, except [[GenreSavvy she knows she's a]] a DesignatedHero. She's a MagnificentBastard, and AntiVillain only because she's on the "Good Guy's" team, yet there's nothing her "[[EnemyMine allies]]" can really do about it, because she [[ButNotTooEvil merely skirts]] the MoralEventHorizon, so the horde can't really do anything to stop her carefully-restricted actions without diving into DisproportionateRetribution. And as long as she's [[TeethClenchedTeamwork serving the horde]], she's still an invaluable resource, as detestable as she might be. Check out the TruthInTelevision section of HeWhoFightsMonsters for an explanation on how it's not quite CharacterDerailment.
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** Necromancy is unnatural and being in a state of undeath is their soul/body's way of saying "this should not be happening". When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your soul torn out imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your dead body which will be several shades of screwed up as well.

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** Necromancy is unnatural and being in a state of undeath is has their soul/body's react so poorly by way of saying "this should not be happening". When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your soul torn out imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your dead body which will be several shades of screwed up as well.

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** Necromancy is unnatural and being in a state of undeath is their soul/body's way of saying "this should not be happening". When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your soul torn out imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your dead body which will be several shades of screwed up as well. *** As for Arthas, he had his soul sucked out but he didn't actually die. He's kind of the exception to the rule, the others being people who didn't mind or wanted to become what they did (Kel'thuzad, Second Generation Death Knights, Liches, etc). The rest didn't, so their souls 'resisted' the process and they came back wrong as a result.

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** Necromancy is unnatural and being in a state of undeath is their soul/body's way of saying "this should not be happening". When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your soul torn out imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your dead body which will be several shades of screwed up as well.
*** As for Arthas, he had his soul sucked out but he didn't actually die. He's kind of the exception to the rule, the others being people who didn't mind or wanted to become what they did (Kel'thuzad, Second Generation Death Knights, Liches, etc). The rest didn't, so their souls 'resisted' the process and they came back wrong as a result.

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** When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your souls torn out of them imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your body which will be several shades of screwed up as well.
*** As for Arthas, he had his soul sucked out but he didn't actually die. He's kind of the exception to the rule, the others being people who didn't mind or wanted to become what they did (Kel'thuzad, Second Generation DKs, Liches, etc). The rest didn't, so their souls 'resisted' the process and they came back wrong as a result.

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** Necromancy is unnatural and being in a state of undeath is their soul/body's way of saying "this should not be happening". When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your souls soul torn out of them imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your dead body which will be several shades of screwed up as well.
well. *** As for Arthas, he had his soul sucked out but he didn't actually die. He's kind of the exception to the rule, the others being people who didn't mind or wanted to become what they did (Kel'thuzad, Second Generation DKs, Death Knights, Liches, etc). The rest didn't, so their souls 'resisted' the process and they came back wrong as a result.
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** When you're raised into undeath, you basically have your souls torn out of them imperfectly and crammed back into your body, taken from whatever afterlife you were heading towards (most likely the Shadowlands). This has the negative effect of screwing your emotions big time, not unlike the chemical imbalance in your brain when you suffer depression (I'm REALLY simplifying that but you see what I'm getting at) and making sure all of those negative emotions even more prevalent. Plus, you're inhabiting what is pretty much your body which will be several shades of screwed up as well.
*** As for Arthas, he had his soul sucked out but he didn't actually die. He's kind of the exception to the rule, the others being people who didn't mind or wanted to become what they did (Kel'thuzad, Second Generation DKs, Liches, etc). The rest didn't, so their souls 'resisted' the process and they came back wrong as a result.
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*** If all you see is a survivor, look again. Forsaken keep slaves and captives in Undercity to be tortured, and experimented on. With explicit order of Sylvanas to develop a plague. She is already quite evil, no matter how many fan-glasses you put on.
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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? Apotecharies using lobotomized human women in Underdark? She is already a ''Complete Monster''.

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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? Apotecharies using lobotomized human women in Underdark? Undercity? She is already a ''Complete Monster''.
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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? Apotecharies using lobotomized human women in Underdark? She is already a [[Complete Monster evil monster]].

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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? Apotecharies using lobotomized human women in Underdark? She is already a [[Complete Monster evil monster]].''Complete Monster''.
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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? She is already a [[Complete Monster]].

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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? Apotecharies using lobotomized human women in Underdark? She is already a [[Complete Monster]].Monster evil monster]].
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** Because she takes Alliance prisoners to be tortured and killed into Forsaken, and Undercity has a population of Alliance slaves and prisoners being experimented on in cages? She is already a [[Complete Monster]].
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*** Skirting? Undercity is full of captives and slaves of Alliance being tortured, butchered and experimented on. She already dove deep into the Moral Event Horizon.

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***Slight nitpick, but the Val'kyr don't die after raising the dead. They'd be kinda useless otherwise.
**It would be one thing if the Val'kyr just raised Forsaken warriors and left the corpses of their enemies alone, ''but that's not what's happening''. Yeah, no matter where they came from, the newly raised are allowed to walk away... into a world that hates them. Joining the Forsaken is basically AnOfferYouCantRefuse. It doesn't even matter if you die again, you're ''still'' damned to the [[TheNothingAfterDeath Eternal Darkness]]. Most people would rather stay in Heaven than come back to life, "choose" to fight for the people they died trying to kill, and die again only to find yourself in TheNothingAfterDeath; forever, if nobody can find your corpse.
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** If you want a Watsonian explanation, maybe Arthas just wasn't powerful enough at that point to do more with Sylvanas than make a banshee. Reanimating her corpse with her spirit still bound to it might have been beyond his powers. He could have turned her body into a zombie and had it follow them around until he was able to stuff her spirit back into it, creating the Dark Ranger seen in the expansion.
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* In Suramar, the Nightborne had been living under the magical barrier. According to Thalyssra it blocked out the sun and their food ran out so they had to get Arcwine. Yet there are trees in Suramar and a zoo, with animals that need different nourishment. So why can't the Nightborne maintain food under the barrier besides Arcwine if they can grow trees, or why aren't the zoo animals dependent on Arcwine?
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** [[AWizardDidIt Undead magic?]]

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** [[AWizardDidIt Undead magic?]]
magic?]] or they could've put explosives in the corpses and the damage is caused by the explosion not impact.





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** There are several reasons for Illidan to lose. First, Illidan had been imprisoned for thousands of years and was out of practice and even then in the fight he had Arthas outmatched. The novels state that in the fight Illidan got overconfident and in his overconfidence left an opening which Arthas exploited to win the fight.




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** Whether or not one enjoys being undead depends on the morality and desires of the undead. There are abilities that undead have and drawbacks.
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It seems most undead hate their existence (most notably Sylvanas) but when Arthas first becomes a death knight he seems to [[EvilFeelsGood rather enjoy it]] so what is the deal with undeath exactly

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* It seems most undead hate their existence (most notably Sylvanas) but when Arthas first becomes a death knight he seems to [[EvilFeelsGood rather enjoy it]] so what is the deal with undeath exactlyexactly

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* In Suramar, the Nightborne had been living under the magical barrier. According to Thalyssra it blocked out the sun and their food ran out so they had to get Arcwine. Yet there are trees in Suramar and a zoo, with animals that need different nourishment. So why can't the Nightborne maintain food under the barrier besides Arcwine if they can grow trees, or why aren't the zoo animals dependent on Arcwine?
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[[folder:Being undead sucks, or does it?]]
It seems most undead hate their existence (most notably Sylvanas) but when Arthas first becomes a death knight he seems to [[EvilFeelsGood rather enjoy it]] so what is the deal with undeath exactly
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It seems most undead hate their existence (most notably Sylvanas) but when Arthas first becomes a death knight he seems to [[EvilFeelsGood rather enjoy it]] so what is the deal with undeath exactly
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It seems most undead hate their existence (most notably Sylvanas) but when Arthas first becomes a death knight he seems to [[EvilFeelsGood rather enjoy it]] so what is the deal with undeath exactly
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** Demons are the result of creatures being corrupted by fel magic. Fel magic is created when something is destroyed and the first fel magic was the result of the mutual destruction of light and dark in the Twisted Nether. In other words, a chaotic imbalance of power created the demons not corrupted by Sargeras. Saregeras happens to weaponize it.
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** Basically, GameplayAndStorySegregation with a dash of OverworldNotToScale.
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** Possibly Kil'jaedan has agents he could use to attack Illidan (in the same way he used Illidan to attack the Lich King.), so Illidan wanted to go to a place where he'd be hard to find.
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** Real reason? Because then we wouldn't have a level. Plausible in-universe reason? He's being arrogant and lazy, letting the Scourge do all the work while he watches. When he levels the bases himself it's because he's lst his patience and is trying to speed things along.

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** Real reason? Because then we wouldn't have a level. Plausible in-universe reason? He's being arrogant and lazy, letting the Scourge do all the work while he watches. When he levels the bases himself it's because he's lst lost his patience and is trying to speed things along.
** His monologue during the destruction of Dalaran implies he's turning the wizard's magic against them. Dalaran was a place of arcane magic, and Archimonde talks about how they used stolen knowledge and now it will consume them. Mount Hyjal had no such weaknesss to exploit.
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**Well, Maiev was underground for 10 thousand years. Perhaps there was some book on Orcish runes.

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