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** They weren't reborn. Supposedly the saints that fight for Athena end up in buried in the lake of ice, so presumably they "felt" that Athena/the Bronze Saints needed them and traveled from point A to point B, all within the underworld. But I don't know how they traveled between the circles.
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** They weren't reborn. Supposedly the saints that fight for Athena end up in buried in the lake of ice, so presumably they "felt" that Athena/the Bronze Saints needed them and traveled from point A to point B, all within the underworld. But I don't know how they traveled between the circles.circles.
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* Ares' plan makes no freaking sense. He says he won't start his world domination campaign before having "The Golden Cloth"... dude, you have 11 of those! At your command!
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* Ares' plan makes no freaking sense. He says he won't start his world domination campaign before having "The Golden Cloth"... dude, you have 11 of those! At your command!
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* How the hell (no pun intended) the seven gold saints that were dead at that time were reborn during the Inferno Chapter in order to destroy the wall?
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* How the hell (no pun intended) the seven gold saints that were dead at that time were reborn during the Inferno Chapter in order to destroy the wall?wall?
** They weren't reborn. Supposedly the saints that fight for Athena end up in buried in the lake of ice, so presumably they "felt" that Athena/the Bronze Saints needed them and traveled from point A to point B, all within the underworld. But I don't know how they traveled between the circles.
** They weren't reborn. Supposedly the saints that fight for Athena end up in buried in the lake of ice, so presumably they "felt" that Athena/the Bronze Saints needed them and traveled from point A to point B, all within the underworld. But I don't know how they traveled between the circles.
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*How the hell (no pun intended) the seven gold saints that were dead at that time were reborn during the Inferno Chapter in order to destroy the wall?
*How the hell (no pun intended) the seven gold saints that were dead at that time were reborn during the Inferno Chapter in order to destroy the wall?
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** Regarding [[spoiler: ice coffin.]] actually Camus stated that [[spoiler: even gold saint's level attack can't destroy it, Libra weapon is stronger. Libra saint is special because he has to decide right or wrong to use Libra weapon that in Athena's rank known as shouldn't be used for selfish reason, in fact Athene hate weapon. Camus' statement since the very beginning didn't cover Libra weapon.]]
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** Regarding [[spoiler: ice coffin.]] actually Camus stated that [[spoiler: even a gold saint's level attack can't destroy it, Libra weapon is weapons are far stronger. The Libra saint is special because he has to decide if is right or wrong to use the Libra weapon that in weapons giving Athena's rank known as decision that it shouldn't be used for selfish reason, reasons (since, in fact Athene hate weapon. Athena hates the use of weapons). Camus' statement since the very beginning didn't cover the Libra weapon.weapons.]]
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** Well, is not as much as they openly betray her... Aphrodite though the Pope was strong enough to maintain peace by itself and that the strong have the right to rule over the weak for peace sake (base in his conversation with Shun), and if Athena was weaker than the Pope I guess that would make her unfit to rule the Sanctuary and save the world. DM is more complicated since he just didn't care. For him the strongest is the one with justice in his side: a "The Winners Write History" kind of guy. And think for a moment that Athena's army has never lost. For 13 years even with his ruthless ways of fighting he was in "the right side" but when he oppose Athena directly he lost his right as a Saint and his clothe left him, apparently that's the one line he couldn't cross. Now you have two guys who think the stronger is right so when they were defeated they finally understood that Athena's love and justice was actually the stronger force, not them, and that even the weakest (read: Bronze Saints) can win when they are in the side of true justice. Or something like that.
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** Well, is not as much as they openly betray her... Aphrodite though the Pope was strong enough to maintain peace by itself and that the strong have the right to rule over the weak for peace peace's sake (base in his conversation with Shun), and if Athena was weaker than the Pope I guess that would make her unfit to rule the Sanctuary and save the world. DM is more complicated since he just didn't care. For him the strongest is the one with justice in his side: a "The Winners Write History" "the winners write history" kind of guy. And think for a moment that Athena's army has never lost. For 13 years even with his ruthless ways way of fighting he was in "the right side" but when he oppose Athena directly he lost his right as a Saint and his clothe left him, apparently him (apparently that's the one line he couldn't cross. couldn't/shouldn't cross). Now you have two guys who think the stronger strongest is always right so when they were defeated they finally understood that Athena's love and justice was actually the stronger force, not them, and that even the weakest (read: Bronze Saints) can win when they are in the side of true justice. Or something like that.
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** She didn't resurrect them, they where "almost" dead, she just heal them enough to put them out of risk (and even then they where still so weak that they couldn't even walk).
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* Why did Athena only resurrect the Bronze Saints and not the Gold Saints?
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** According to manga Saga killed Shion right after he informed both Saga and Aiolos that the Sagittarius saint to be the next Pope. In anime according to side story that published as explanation, [[spoiler: Ares was Shion's little brother and a silver saint. There was an attempt to kill Shion by a marine pawn of poseidon, which failed and when Ares tried to investigate it he found out Saga was the one who did it. Saga at that time was in mission to keep an eye on Poseidon's army so it's wasy for him to smuggle the pawn's scale. Saga killed Ares first when the silver saint cornered him, then Saga took his place as Ares first. So in classic Shion probably was killed later, or Saga killed him in the same time as manga.]]
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** According to manga Saga killed Shion right after he informed both Saga and Aiolos that the Sagittarius saint to be the next Pope. In anime according to side story that published as explanation, [[spoiler: Ares was Shion's little brother and a silver saint. There was an attempt to kill Shion by a marine pawn of poseidon, which failed and when Ares tried to investigate it he found out Saga was the one who did it. Saga at that time was in mission to keep an eye on Poseidon's army so it's wasy was easy for him to smuggle the pawn's scale. Saga killed Ares first when the silver saint cornered him, then Saga took his place as Ares first. So in classic Shion probably was killed later, or Saga killed him in the same time as manga.]]
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**As for who is the strongest saint, according to stats Kurumada himself provided in character books Shion and Dohko hold first place and second place. They were the most experienced after all. Shion according to Dohko was a perfect saint, make sense as all his stats get 5 point (the highest point)but then again there is Shaka who can win against 3 gold saints at once if not for the forbidden attack, so can't be really sure who is the strongest.
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** According to manga Saga killed Shion right after he informed both Saga and Aiolos that the Sagittarius saint to be the next Pope. In anime according to side story that published as explanation, [[spoiler: Ares was Shion's little brother and a silver saint. There was an attempt to kill Shion by a marine pawn of poseidon, which failed and when Ares tried to investigate it he found out Saga was the one who did it. Saga at that time was in mission to keep an eye on Poseidon's army so it's wasy for him to smuggle the pawn's scale. Saga killed Ares first when the silver saint cornered him, then Saga took his place as Ares first. So in classic Shion probably was killed later, or Saga killed him in the same time as manga.]]
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*** More like what ''Seiya'' thought she looked like, since that image was built from Seiya's memories. We get a somewhat good look in the closing episodes of the Sanctuary saga, when she lends her mask to Seiya, after he decided to snooze on Aphrodite's garden. That, added to [[OnlySixFaces Kurumada-san's style]] can give us a pretty good guess as to what she looks like.
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*** But was that really what she looked like, or just what Caza thought she looked like?
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** Didn't we get to see Marin's face when Caza impersonate her in the Poseidon Saga?
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* So does it irk some people that we apparently never see [[TheFaceless What Marin's looks like without her mask.]]? Cause it irks me just a bit.
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*** There is one I found though he is yaoi with Shun.
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*** Nope, Masami Kurumada is explicitly credited as the Episode G author in every single collected volume for it, right along with the artist Megumu Okada, though Okada does state in some afterwords that Kurumada lets him take much direction of the story by himself, Kurumada just leads him from time to time basically making Okada the cowriter, and unlike Lost Canvas, Kurumada doesn't declare as non-canon for his official timeline.
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*** This is an AssPull from me but since Cassios was able to beat up a few of the main bronzies easily. Maybe he discovered the seventh sense and was able to travel through the secret paths at light speed?
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** Ok, the secret paths explanation kinda makes sense, since Cassios was a low tier EliteMook, so he might have been privy to those paths. However, the gaping plot hole of the time it takes them to get from one temple to another really JustBugsMe. The first temples, I can accept their taking so long, since they all fight, one way or another, but after Sagittarius, they were all one on one fights, therefore, the battles in Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces should have been more or less simultaneous. This was far from the case, you actually see the flames die while they're moving from temple to temple. The temples are less than ''100 meters'' away, for Seiya, who in his slowest day can move at Mach 1, and who didn't fight in any of the last temples, he should have gotten to the Pope's room with at least 2 hours to spare, and that's if he decided to take a nap on Aphrodite's roses.
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**** Ok, I'll try my best here. First, This is only anime continuity so lets make that clear, in the manga Saga just kills Shion who was very old at that time and that's about it. For the anime, and taking the ''Jump Gold Selection 2'' in account, Shion just die of old age, then his brother Ares toke his place but unfortunately was killed by Saga and the corpse was many years later found by Marin in Star Hill (yeah, don't think about it too hard). In the Episode G Saga kills Shion but also has an armor that apparently is related to Ares (the Greek god?) in some way hence the nickname. And that's all I got.
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** Also in Vol 13 you can clearly see in a flashback that [[spoiler: thirteen years before most of the gold saint were kids and Saga comments that's why the successor of the Pope could only be either he (15-years-old) or Aioros (14-years-old).]]
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** What did you expect from [[MarySue]].And this is one reason some people created a fanfics where their readers can sign up their own OC. You will be surprised how popular this fanfics is...
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** What did you expect from [[MarySue]].a MarySue.And this is one reason some people created a fanfics where their readers can sign up their own OC. You will be surprised how popular this fanfics is...
** I just now noticed that out of the hundreds of OCs, none of them are both a male GaryStu AND yaoi with the golds.
** I just now noticed that out of the hundreds of OCs, none of them are both a male GaryStu AND yaoi with the golds.
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** Regarding [[spoiler: ice coffin.]] actually Camus stated that [[spoiler: even gold saint's level attack can't destroy it, Libra weapon is stronger. Libra saint is special because he has to decide right or wrong to use Libra weapon that in Athena's rank known as shouldn't be used for selfish reason, in fact Athene hate weapon. Camus' statement since the very beginning didn't cover Libra weapon.]]
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** What did you expect from [[MarySue]]?[[MarySue]].And this is one reason some people created a fanfics where their readers can sign up their own OC. You will be surprised how popular this fanfics is...
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**What did you expect from [[MarySue]]?
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** The last Official info stated the youngest gold saint is 20 years old, they are Milo, Shaka, Aiolia, Aldebaran, Mu and Camus. Aphrodite(22)Deathmask(24) and Shura also 24, The oldest are Saga who is 28 yrs old and Aiolos is one year younger than Saga. YES, all gold saint started their training when they are so young! It's stated in Q&A narrated by Shion that Gold Saint in this era started their training early due to seventh sense is easier to reach by young child because they have not developed mind that swayed by the world's belief and limitation. Something like that... but it's seems in Next Dimension it's not the case, because there is saint who promoted from bronze to gold when they were 18.
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** The last Official info stated the youngest gold saint is 20 years old, they are Milo, Shaka, Aiolia, Aldebaran, Mu and Camus. Aphrodite(22)Deathmask(24) and Shura also 24, The oldest are Saga who is 28 yrs old and Aiolos is one year younger than Saga. YES, all gold saint started their training when they are so young! It's stated in Q&A narrated by Shion that Gold Saint in this era started their training early due to seventh sense is easier to reach by young child because they have not
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** Well, is not as much as they openly betray her... Aphrodite though the Pope was strong enough to maintain peace by itself and that the strong have the right to rule over the weak for peace sake (base in his conversation with Shun), and if Athena was weaker than the Pope I guess that would make her unfit to rule the Sanctuary and save the world. DM is more complicated since he just didn't care. For him the strongest is the one with justice in his side: a "The Winners Write History" kind of guy. And think for a moment that Athena's army has never lost. For 13 years even with his ruthless ways of fighting he was in "the right side" but when he oppose Athena directly he lost his right as a Saint and his clothe left him, apparently that's the one line he couldn't cross. Now you have two guys who think the stronger is right so when they were defeated they finally understood that Athena's love and justice was actually the stronger force, not them, and that even the weakest (read: Bronze Saints) can win when they are in the side of true justice. Or something like that.
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** Even though they did symbolically reject their femininity, they still have boobs.
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** I think in the scene after the two died again by Mu, Aphrodite mentioned that "he didn't want to go back." It's possible they did it as a form of redemption and maybe a way out of where they were at after they were killed the first time.
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* If Aphrodite and Deathmask betrayed Athena, why did they choose to act in her favour in the Hades Arc?
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* I don't know if this fits here or not, but why is it that almost every fan-created female Saint is overpowered, never wears a mask, and the girlfriend of one of the Gold Saints, Lost Canvas or Classic?
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Just pulling out a Complaining About Shows You Don\'t Like issue.
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THE WHOLE DAMN SHOW.
* Dude, why did you even watch it then? ^^U
** Because I enjoy mocking it. You got a problem with that?
*** So you're wasting your time ''ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike''? There are a lot of people who do actually like the show you know. Just saying.
**** Like I said, it's a hobby. If you don't like it, then fuck off.
* Dude, why did you even watch it then? ^^U
** Because I enjoy mocking it. You got a problem with that?
*** So you're wasting your time ''ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike''? There are a lot of people who do actually like the show you know. Just saying.
**** Like I said, it's a hobby. If you don't like it, then fuck off.
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**** Like I said, it's a hobby. If you don't like it, then fuck off.
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****This fan always found them a lot prettier then the LC girls. Pandora's classic version seems a lot more feminine and pretty then her LC equivalent. Seriously some angles just make her seem seriously manly in LC to me.
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***Episode G was done by another author. So Kurumada's words should trump Episode G's canonicity.
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***So you're wasting your time ''ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike''? There are a lot of people who do actually like the show you know. Just saying.
