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** Will may have shown Ceasar video footage of apes interacting at some point, to help young Ceasar understand why he differs physically from the humans he grew up among.
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** Note that many of these conversations are either initiated by Ceasar, or take place between him and the orangutan. Both of them are used to communicating with a different species (humans) that way, so it's not that implausible that a chimp and an orang who've both been trained in [=ASL=] would resort to signing to speak to ''each other'' across the species barrier, too.
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** For that matter, why were the ''horses'' willing to charge a bunch of ferocious-looking unfamiliar beasts without a hint of hesitation? Sure, you can train horses to put up with a lot of things, but that's the thing: they have to be ''trained'' first, and acclimated to the experience. What, do the San Francisco police regularly expose their steeds to apes just in case?
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** It's possible to speak without vocal chords, it's call esophageal phonation, which is probably how Caesar does it. Of course, as with walking upright requires effort that other apes may not be willing to take.
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** It's possible to speak without vocal chords, it's call [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9sXr7LhdtA esophageal phonation, phonation]], which is probably how Caesar does it. Of course, as with walking upright requires effort that other apes may not be willing to take.
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** Even without the virus (though it's likely to be the case) apes are not regular animals, are the second most intelligent animals after homo sapiens and capable of rational thought (although not nearly as advance as us), non-virus affected apes are capable enough to understand and follow Caesar as a leader.
** It's possible to speak without vocal chords, it's call esophageal phonation, which is probably how Caesar does it. Of course, as with walking upright requires effort that other apes may not be willing to take.
*** I was under the impression that the airborne part was unintentional, probably a side effect. Virus do mutate.
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** People underestimate how smart some apes can be in real life. Obviously how it’s shown is for the audience’s sake, but Maurice is not entirely unrealistic if you take away the use of grammar and some other details.
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** Another possible explanation is that another ape's brain can handle the rate of neurological development but the extra capacity is just more than a human brain can deal with. In fact, if you'll pardon the speculation, I might propose that the humans who ''do'' manage to survive this become the psychic mutants from ''Beneath the Planet of the Apes''.
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** Additionally, he's Will's next door neighbor. Between the daily visits from the nurse and the fact that a man with Alzheimer's' is likely to wander around a bit, it's not unlikely that he'd be aware of his neighbor's condition. A clearly confused elderly man in his pajamas ,who used to have daily nurse visits and is insisting that he mistook your car for his, might warrant a reaction OTHER than shouting and physical intimidation from a compassionate human being.
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** Early versions of the script have Caesar and Rocket sneaking into the zoo and giving the drug to the apes.
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** The first place Caesar takes the Apes from the shelter is [=GenSys=], to free the Apes being held there and presumably get his hands on many more ALZ-113 canisters (they were shown being produced in mass quantities). After that, he presumably unleashed them on the zoo Apes the same way he did on the ones in the shelter.
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** The first place Caesar took the Apes after the shelter was to [=GenSys=], presumably to free the Apes held captive there and retrieve more ALZ-113 canisters (they were shown being mass produced). Now, Caesar opened a can in Will's home, potentially infecting Will and Caroline, then he opened two full canisters at the primate shelter, potentially infecting everyone who went there (including Will and Caroline ''again''), then it's implied he infected the zoo Apes with more canisters, potentially infecting ''everyone who visited the zoo that day''. Depending on how long the virus remains active in the open air, that last exposure could have gone quite a long way, leaving thousands of people in the San Francisco area infected. And since San Fran is a big tourist spot, a lot of those people probably traveled to other places shortly after exposure, spreading it even further. It ain't just David Hewlett's fault.
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*** FridgeBrilliance: From Jacob's POV, he wasn't trashing research, he was ''destroying evidence'' that could've been subpoenaed during a lawsuit. For all he knew, those investors were going to sue the company's ass for putting them in danger through reckless animal-handling practices, and if it turned out the drug ''had'' been responsible for Bright Eyes' rampage (which her MamaBear motive wouldn't necessarily rule out), then any hope of '''ever''' marketing a comparable medication would've been scuttled.
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** Apes can't ''hurl'' things with force, except to slam things into the ground. They can only ''toss'' something if they go for distance. Lucky for them, letting things drop off a rooftop doesn't require much distance ''or'' force.
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* Why did the drug made the apes able to talk and stand erect? I get that the drug makes them smarter by repairing brain cells, but how does it modifies their bone and muscle structure so they can speak and stand like a human? It's not like that is in any way related to being of smarter than a regular ape. Hell, if I recall correctly, a chimp was taught to say ''"up"'' and ''"cup"''. It could easily say those words with sign lenguage, but they happen to be something that can be articulated with "chimp voice."
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*** It's not a matter of caring. Animal testing is worthless without fully accounting for every medical condition of the test animals. There's only money to be made if the drug tests out as being successful, and it ''can't'' be successful unless you can be certain of what was caused by the drug and what was was not.
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** By the time of this writing there is an Ebola epidemic in Africa. So if you can read this a) you are human than it means ALZ 113 can't become pandemic or b) you are an ape AfterTheEnd, so enjoy TvTropes, [[TvTropesWillRuinYourLife it will bring down your empire.]]
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** She ''tries'' to get back in the cage when they first manage to get her out, but they shut the door on her and she can't get it back open. So she goes into full-fledged panic rampage mode.
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*** How can it be said that the fascists "stole" these symbols? Symbols cannot be owned (copyright law notwithstanding) -- the fascists adapted them to their purposes, as a great many other factions had over time. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the Roman reference is the one intended, considering Caesar's name. Regardless of the origins of the fable, its use in this story may be go beyond a message of "strenght in unity". The link between the Fasces concept and fascism cannot be erased or ignored. The future seen in PlanetoftheApes does indeed have some strong fascist parallels to it, and this moment may be interpreted as foreshadowing that fact. Or is this giving the screenwriters too much credit?
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* Okay, I'm pretty sure I missed something big here, but why is Maurice the Orangutan intelligent when Caesar first meets him in the cage? He hasn't been exposed to the ALZ compound, right? How is it then that he can communicate such complex ideas as "Humans don't like smart apes" via sign language? The rest of the apes around don't seem to be able to even comprehend anything more complicated than throwing poo and eating, and chimps are more intelligent than orangutans! I've watched the movie several times but so far all I can see is a big plot hole, since the fact of it being smart is critical to the story but never seems to be explained.
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*** Tell that to people who've been pelted with stones and[=/=]or poop at the zoo.
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*** The zookeeper that told the people to take out their cameras mentioned that the chimps are usually shy, which indicated they are not acting as they normally do. The apes at the shelter are completely loyal to Caesar so they wouldn't do anything without his say-so. Which is why Buck freed the zoo chimps, because Caesar instructed him to. Plus we only saw Caesar use 2 at the shelter, and there were more than that in the fridge. These are small hints that maybe Caesar did expose the chimps at the zoo offscreen.
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** Apparently, it will be titled ''Planet of the Apes - Revolution''.
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** Or maybe she got so turned around, once out of her cage and into parts of the building she'd never seen, that she just plain couldn't find her way back to him. Hence, her increasingly-panicked rushing about and breaking stuff, screeching for her son.
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** That's because Bright Eyes ''was'' mere feet away from the highest-ranking people in the entire organization he works for, and her body language gave every indication she might start ripping said people's arms and faces off any second. He's paid to protect ''them'', not to be lenient with dangerous escaped laboratory animals; if he ''hadn't'' taken her down as fast as he was capable of, he'd most likely have been fired for dereliction of duty.
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* During Bright Eyes escape and crashing into the board room, the guard fire multiple rounds into her, despite the fact there are clearly people behind the ape and off to the sides. Not only that, his employer, and the entire BoD are sitting right there and the rent a cop doesnt even stop to think to defer to him, ask for authorization or anything like that. Just pumps several rounds into an ape, mere feet away from the highest ranking people in the entire organization he works for. Careless I dont think begins to cover it, regardless of the situation at hand. Yet no one seemed to think anything of the guards actions.
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** Why make the treatments transmissible at all? Gen*Sys is a drug company, not a charity; surely it's not going to be very profitable to release a therapy that only one person needs to pay for, and anyone else can get for free just by having that one person sneeze on them or whatever.
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*** Gas is slower, unless you're treating your respiratory tract.
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