History Headscratchers / RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes

** Not to mention the fact that, when you think about it, what exactly puts Humanity on the top spot of the planet and separated us from our ape brethren? Our lack of speed and strength were off-set by our intelligence and our ability to create tools to augment our own power. Humans created a virus that gave Apes who possessed 10 times our strength... the same mental prowess as humans and the ability to creatively think... and then we gave them a rather large chip on their shoulder. Who do ''think'' is naturally going to win? The Human Race effectively signed its own extinction warrant.

*** By that point he couldn't fly away, Caesar had chained the helicopter to the bridge. Shouldn't have got that close in the first place though. Chalk that one up to overconfidence.

** Note that many of these conversations are either initiated by Ceasar, or take place between him and the orangutan. Both of them are used to communicating with a different species (humans) that way, so it's not that implausible that a chimp and an orang who've both been trained in [=ASL=] would resort to signing to speak to ''each other'' across the species barrier, too.

*** Also: fending off a chimp near your kids, fine. Persuing said chimp when it instantly leaves and trying to beat it with a baseball bat? Asshole.

* I just put this under the [[invoked]] DarthWiki/WhatAnIdiot entry, but I almost blurted it out in the theater when I saw the film: who the crap thought that just two scientists would be enough to restrain an angry chimp? Shouldn't they know that chimps are stronger than the average human?

* I just put this under the WhatAnIdiot entry, but I almost blurted it out in the theater when I saw the film: who the crap thought that just two scientists would be enough to restrain an angry chimp? Shouldn't they know that chimps are stronger than the average human?

** Not to mention the fact that, when you think about it, what exactly puts Humanity on the top spot of the planet and seperated us from our ape brethren? Our lack of speed and strength were off-set by our intelligence and our ability to create tools to augment our own power. Humans created a virus that gave Apes who prosessed 10 times our strength... the same mental prowess as humans and the ability to creatively think... and then we gave them a rather large chip on their shoulder. Who do ''think'' is naturally going to win? The Human Race effectively signed its own extinction warrant.

*** The US goverment is not going to use tanks and bombers, much less NUKES (were you even serious about that?) on American soil. And you can't really take the virus out of the, once shit hits the proverbial fan the whole world is going to be much more worried about surviving the fatal plage, and nobody is going to give a hoot about some damn dirty apes. Caesar and friend are going to inherit the world, not really take it by force, much like in the original.

* Where did that many apes come from? Chimp, Orangutan, and especially Gorilla populations, aren't exactly thrieving.

** Gorillas are certainly not bulletproof but an angry 800-pound gorilla with gallons of adrenaline in his veins is definitely painproof. Besides, just using physics, a half-dozen bullets from a wimpy handgun are not going to prevent a massive gorilla from reaching you. No excuse for the helicopter pilot, who probably should have flown away or something, instead of ''letting an 800-pound gorilla jump on his helicopter''.
** Humans can, and regularly take several 9mm wounds to the chest and arms and keep going, sometimes without realizing they've been hit. It'd take some pretty massive rounds to stop a huge gorilla in its tracks when its blood is up. Think battle rifle rounds or bigger.

** He seemed to be saying "I'm okay", meaning that he didn't actually inhale the viral gas. Nevermind that he was visibly gasping after getting clocked in the face by a grumpy old chimp, and that the "gas" got in under his mask before he put it on, and that even if it hadn't he still got sprayed with it over his mouth and nose anyway. The RuleOfDrama is about the only way that whole thing went down the way it did.

** No it was an allusion to TheSonsAndTheSpears which is a symbol far older than fascism. It states that a people united are stronger than a people separated and has existed in most cultures across the world from Rome to Japan. There where various versions (in the Roman case sticks, for the mongol one [[TropeNamer spears]] and the Japanese version arrows). It was just another symbol that fascists stole along with swastikas and the roman eagle.
*** How can it be said that the fascists "stole" these symbols? Symbols cannot be owned (copyright law notwithstanding) -- the fascists adapted them to their purposes, as a great many other factions had over time. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the Roman reference is the one intended, considering Caesar's name. Regardless of the origins of the fable, its use in this story may be go beyond a message of "strenght in unity". The link between the Fasces concept and fascism cannot be erased or ignored. The future seen in ''Franchise/PlanetoftheApes'' does indeed have some strong fascist parallels to it, and this moment may be interpreted as foreshadowing that fact. Or is this giving the screenwriters too much credit?

*** There is a scene with Jacob urging the helicopter to reach them before the mist covered them. They tried, but the chimps climbed faster than they could react. Even if they blindly shooted into the mist, the helicopter can't risk getting too closer due to the mist, and the apes have been long gone, they have proved they are quite apt at evasion tactics.

* Why didn't they do the research, here? Jacob's motivation as an evil capitalist isn't just cliche, it actively doesn't make sense. The costs of getting a drug to the late stages of animal testing is extreme; they're willing to drop it back to basic molecular chemistry over one aggressive animal, especially in a species that can be kind of aggressive to start with? But he's willing to take even bigger risks and then personally run accelerated animal testing because it might be a nootropic? You can't even ''sell'' nootropics; the FDA has no method to approve them or even understand them in conventional terms.

** To answer this we have to consider Caesar apart of the other apes. All apes can stand and walk upright. Their anatomy only makes this slower and more costly than in us, so they resort to walking on four legs most of the time, and this is what all the "normal" apes do in the movie even after they are exposed to the drug. Caesar, on the other hand, was exposed to the drug whyle in embryonic state, in the womb. Since the drug is a retrovirus and was engineered to cure a human disease, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that it contains genes that are human in origin. Thus, an ape exposed during fetal development could acquire human-like characteristics and this translates in Caesar having a slight human-like appearance in the movie, as evidenced by his smaller jaw, visible sclerae, more upright stance and hability to articulate words. As long as the sequel doesn't contradict this, we can conclude that only apes exposed to ALZ-11X before birth can learn to talk.

** Will may have shown Ceasar video footage of apes interacting at some point, to help young Ceasar understand why he differs physically from the humans he grew up among.

** We don't even know if the Statue of Liberty is destroyed in this continunity. Remember, this film is a reboot, not a prequel.

** This can be explained by chromosomes. All the great apes have 48 chromosones, while humans have only 46. Perhaps the strength of the ALZ-113 drug requires a large amount of chromosones, and humans simply don't have enough.

* During Bright Eyes escape and crashing into the board room, the guard fire multiple rounds into her, despite the fact there are clearly people behind the ape and off to the sides. Not only that, his employer, and the entire BoD are sitting right there and the rent a cop doesn't even stop to think to defer to him, ask for authorization or anything like that. Just pumps several rounds into an ape, mere feet away from the highest ranking people in the entire organization he works for. Careless I dont think begins to cover it, regardless of the situation at hand. Yet no one seemed to think anything of the guards actions.

** I think it goes even deeper than that. Jacobs gave something rather special to Koba, intelligence. And with that, Koba now has a much deeper and better understanding of what he been put through and why. So after his exposure, Koba now probably grasps, in broad strokes, what Jacobs is, and where Koba and his fellow apes fit in the big picture. Previously, Koba just would have perceived his existance as torturous yes, but also, confusing. Well, that confusion is now gone thanks to the ALZ-113, and yea, he 'gets it' now that Jacobs is the alpha-human and directly responsible for Koba's situation so, plenty of (now) intelligent rage to direct that way.
** There's also the fact that Jacobs was giving orders in a helicopter responisble for the deaths of several apes.
** Also when they bring Koba in, the technicians note his grizzled features and warn one another to be careful with him, suggesting that there's something ''not quite right'' with Korba to begin with.

** By the time of this writing there is an Ebola epidemic in Africa. So if you can read this a) you are human than it means ALZ 113 can't become pandemic or b) you are an ape AfterTheEnd, so enjoy Wiki/TVTropes, [[JustForFun/TVTropesWillRuinYourLife it will bring down your empire.]]

** By the time of this writing there is an Ebola epidemic in Africa. So if you can read this a) you are human than it means ALZ 113 can't become pandemic or b) you are an ape AfterTheEnd, so enjoy Wiki/TVTropes, [[TvTropesWillRuinYourLife it will bring down your empire.]]

** This would happen if Caesar and his apes decide to go back to San Francisco to cause more damage. As long as they stay in the forest, the authorities will not bother to go after them. [[spoiler: And due to the ALZ-113 plague, they will soon lose the capacity to do so]].

*** The Us goverment is not going to use tanks and bombers, much less NUKES (were you even serious about that?) on American soil. And you can't really take the virus out of the, once shit hits the proverbial fan the whole world is going to be much more worried about surviving the fatal plage, and nobody is going to give a hoot about some damn dirty apes. Caesar and friend are going to inherit the world, not really take it by force, much like in the original.

** They are smart. they can improvise. [[spoiler: And soon, there will be plenty of real estate available for them]].