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*** By that point he couldn't fly away, Caeser had chained the helicopter to the bridge. Shouldn't have got that close in the first place though. Chalk that one up to overconfidence.

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*** By that point he couldn't fly away, Caeser Caesar had chained the helicopter to the bridge. Shouldn't have got that close in the first place though. Chalk that one up to overconfidence.



***** The chimp's called ''Caeser.'' The Roman reference is far more likely. Also a charitable interpretation of Julius Caeser's actions would be that he rebelled against an authority that he had been part of but that turned on him, which fits.
****** I expect most people have been exposed to one version or another of the TheSonsAndTheSpears parable, but - while I complement you on your history - I doubt very many people know that a Roman bundle of rods was called "fasces", or that Mussolini's party derived their name from it. As a previous troper pointed out, the parable is in many cultures and need not have ominous overtones. The chimp's name, Caeser, is a continuity nod to the original franchise, which only imbued the name with the qualities of leadership and strength, not dictatorship (the chimp picked his own name in that franchise). So we know that the more recent screenwriter didn't sit down and think, "I'll name him Caesar, to imply that he'll one day become a dictator." The screenwriter ''may'' have used the bundle of sticks parable to imply fascism, but since the chimps are meant to be the protagonists, I would think that the simpler explanation is more likely: it only illustrates the parable every child hears about unity.

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***** The chimp's called ''Caeser.''Caesar.'' The Roman reference is far more likely. Also a charitable interpretation of Julius Caeser's Caesar's actions would be that he rebelled against an authority that he had been part of but that turned on him, which fits.
****** I expect most people have been exposed to one version or another of the TheSonsAndTheSpears parable, but - while I complement you on your history - I doubt very many people know that a Roman bundle of rods was called "fasces", or that Mussolini's party derived their name from it. As a previous troper pointed out, the parable is in many cultures and need not have ominous overtones. The chimp's name, Caeser, Caesar, is a continuity nod to the original franchise, which only imbued the name with the qualities of leadership and strength, not dictatorship (the chimp picked his own name in that franchise). So we know that the more recent screenwriter didn't sit down and think, "I'll name him Caesar, to imply that he'll one day become a dictator." The screenwriter ''may'' have used the bundle of sticks parable to imply fascism, but since the chimps are meant to be the protagonists, I would think that the simpler explanation is more likely: it only illustrates the parable every child hears about unity.



** He never had time. Caeser saw Will exactly once after being put in there and miscommunications in that meeting meant Caeser sulked before he could say.

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** He never had time. Caeser Caesar saw Will exactly once after being put in there and miscommunications in that meeting meant Caeser Caesar sulked before he could say.
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*** As soon as Caesar turned his back on Will, Will should've said, "What's wrong, Caesar? Why don't you want to come with me?" It seems like a perfectly natural thing to ask. It's certainly what immediately occurred to me during that scene.

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*** As soon as Caesar turned his back on Will, Will should've said, "What's wrong, Caesar? Why don't you want to come with me?" It seems like a perfectly natural thing to ask. It's certainly what immediately occurred came to me my mind during that scene.
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*** As soon as Caesar turned his back on Will, Will should've said, "What's wrong, Caesar? Why don't you want to come with me?" It seems like a perfectly natural thing to ask.

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*** As soon as Caesar turned his back on Will, Will should've said, "What's wrong, Caesar? Why don't you want to come with me?" It seems like a perfectly natural thing to ask. It's certainly what immediately occurred to me during that scene.
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*** As soon as Caesar turned his back on Will, Will should've said, "What's wrong, Caesar? Why don't you want to come with me?" It seems like a perfectly natural thing to ask.
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** Because speed of delivery is the primary consideration in clinical trials of untested drugs? Above things like closely monitoring the exact dosage delivered and accident prevention?

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** Because speed of delivery is the primary consideration in clinical trials of untested virus-delivered drugs? Above things like closely monitoring the exact dosage delivered and accident prevention?
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** Because speed of delivery is the primary consideration in clinical trials of untested drugs? Above things like closely monitoring the exact dosage delivered and accident prevention?
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** I had the same reaction during the scene just after Bright Eyes was shot. It makes no sense. Jacobs could never have risen to a position of leadership in an R&D company if his reaction to a mishap, even a catastrophic one, is "Destroy everything that we could analyze to figure out what went wrong, and start from square one." Even if those investors were traumatized, a reasonable executive wouldn't make a snap decision to destroy all research material seconds after the incident. They would launch an internal investigation into the catalyst of the chimp's rampage, and whether or not the drug was a factor, and they'd probably bring in another set of investors after a dispassionate report explained what happened as weighed against the potential benefits of continuing research. If every scientific organization trashed their research and went back to square one after every failure, we'd still be drinking snake oil to cure dropsy and consumption.
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****** I expect most people have been exposed to one version or another of the TheSonsAndTheSpears parable, but - while I complement you on your history - I doubt very many people know that a Roman bundle of rods was called "fasces", or that Mussolini's party derived the name of their party from it. As a previous troper pointed out, the parable is in many cultures and need not have ominous overtones. The chimp's name, Caeser, is a continuity nod to the original franchise, which only imbued the name with the qualities of leadership and strength, not dictatorship (the chimp picked his own name in that franchise). So we know that the more recent screenwriter didn't sit down and think, "I'll name him Caesar, to imply that he'll one day become a dictator." The screenwriter ''may'' have used the bundle of sticks parable to imply fascism, but since the chimps are meant to be the protagonists, I would think that the simpler explanation is more likely: it only illustrates the parable every child hears about unity.

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****** I expect most people have been exposed to one version or another of the TheSonsAndTheSpears parable, but - while I complement you on your history - I doubt very many people know that a Roman bundle of rods was called "fasces", or that Mussolini's party derived the name of their party name from it. As a previous troper pointed out, the parable is in many cultures and need not have ominous overtones. The chimp's name, Caeser, is a continuity nod to the original franchise, which only imbued the name with the qualities of leadership and strength, not dictatorship (the chimp picked his own name in that franchise). So we know that the more recent screenwriter didn't sit down and think, "I'll name him Caesar, to imply that he'll one day become a dictator." The screenwriter ''may'' have used the bundle of sticks parable to imply fascism, but since the chimps are meant to be the protagonists, I would think that the simpler explanation is more likely: it only illustrates the parable every child hears about unity.
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****** I expect most people have been exposed to one version or another of the TheSonsAndTheSpears parable, but - while I complement you on your history - I doubt very many people know that a Roman bundle of rods was called "fasces", or that Mussolini's party derived the name of their party from it. As a previous troper pointed out, the parable is in many cultures and need not have ominous overtones. The chimp's name, Caeser, is a continuity nod to the original franchise, which only imbued the name with the qualities of leadership and strength, not dictatorship (the chimp picked his own name in that franchise). So we know that the more recent screenwriter didn't sit down and think, "I'll name him Caesar, to imply that he'll one day become a dictator." The screenwriter ''may'' have used the bundle of sticks parable to imply fascism, but since the chimps are meant to be the protagonists, I would think that the simpler explanation is more likely: it only illustrates the parable every child hears about unity.
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*** It would be trivial to find a set of ''humans'' where a single female can overpower two males (try a female athlete or soldier and two sedentary male scientists). And chimps are five to eight times stronger than chimps. Female chimps are more than up to the task. [[http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2/can-a-90-lb-chimp-clobber-a-full-grown-man This article]] even provides some real numbers as it explains, "a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds." And, of course, scientists who work regularly with chimps, or any potentially dangerous animal, understand that even animals who have displayed no previous aggression are apt to do so as they get older and are under stress. They routinely take precautions.

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*** It would be trivial to find a set of ''humans'' where a single female can overpower two males (try a female athlete or soldier and two sedentary male scientists). And chimps are five to eight times stronger than chimps. Female chimps are more than up to the task.humans. [[http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2/can-a-90-lb-chimp-clobber-a-full-grown-man This article]] even provides some real numbers as it explains, "a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds." And, of course, scientists who work regularly with chimps, or any potentially dangerous animal, understand that even animals who have displayed no previous aggression are apt to do so as they get older and are under stress. They routinely take precautions.
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*** It would be trivial to find a set of ''humans'' where a single female can overpower two males (try a large female athlete and two sedentary male scientists who never work out). And chimps are five to eight times stronger than chimps. Female chimps are more than up to the task. [[http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2/can-a-90-lb-chimp-clobber-a-full-grown-man This article]] even provides some real numbers as it explains, "a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds." And, of course, scientists who work regularly with chimps, or any potentially dangerous animal, understand that even animals who have displayed no previous aggression are apt to do so as they get older and are under stress. They routinely take precautions.

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*** It would be trivial to find a set of ''humans'' where a single female can overpower two males (try a large female athlete or soldier and two sedentary male scientists who never work out).scientists). And chimps are five to eight times stronger than chimps. Female chimps are more than up to the task. [[http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2/can-a-90-lb-chimp-clobber-a-full-grown-man This article]] even provides some real numbers as it explains, "a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds." And, of course, scientists who work regularly with chimps, or any potentially dangerous animal, understand that even animals who have displayed no previous aggression are apt to do so as they get older and are under stress. They routinely take precautions.
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*** It would be trivial to find a set of ''humans'' where a single female can overpower two males (try a large female athlete and two sedentary male scientists who never work out). And chimps are five to eight times stronger than chimps. Female chimps are more than up to the task. [[http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2/can-a-90-lb-chimp-clobber-a-full-grown-man This article]] even provides some real numbers as it explains, "a female chimp, weighing a mere 135 pounds and going by the name of Suzette, checked in with a one-handed pull of 1,260 pounds." And, of course, scientists who work regularly with chimps, or any potentially dangerous animal, understand that even animals who have displayed no previous aggression are apt to do so as they get older and are under stress. They routinely take precautions.
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* How did Caesar learn the submissive hand gesture if he had never come into contact with other apes? Behavioral/pack body language like that is learned.
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** Speed of delivery.


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** He never had time. Caeser saw Will exactly once after being put in there and miscommunications in that meeting meant Caeser sulked before he could say.
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** Can't speak as to the second point, but he actually says in the film about the first; the reality of the first drug doesn't enter into it, the investors had a maddened ape jump at them and then get shot on their table. There's no way they're going to invest and news like that gets around. PR disaster doesn't cover it.
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***** The chimp's called ''Caeser.'' The Roman reference is far more likely. Also a charitable interpretation of CaiusJuliusCaeser's actions would be that he rebelled against an authority that he had been part of but that turned on him.

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***** The chimp's called ''Caeser.'' The Roman reference is far more likely. Also a charitable interpretation of CaiusJuliusCaeser's Julius Caeser's actions would be that he rebelled against an authority that he had been part of but that turned on him.him, which fits.
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***** The chimp's called ''Caeser.'' The Roman reference is far more likely. Also a charitable interpretation of CaiusJuliusCaeser's actions would be that he rebelled against an authority that he had been part of but that turned on him.
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**** He could have broken the bars holding them in place.
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*** Plus Jacobs is a dick. They probably did tell him and he blew them off.
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*** Dozens of the police? I counted four police and one civilian (the guy thrown of the bridge, the helicopter crew and Jacobs), all due to the gorilla who is dead already.

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*** Dozens of the police? I counted four police and one civilian (the guy thrown of the bridge, the helicopter crew and Jacobs), all due to the gorilla who is dead already. As to surviving humans, no known disease is 100% communicable or fatal. Some humans will survive even if there is no cure.
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*** By that point he couldn't fly away, Caeser had chained the helicopter to the bridge. Shouldn't have got that close in the first place though. Chalk that one up to overconfidence.
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*** Dozens of the police? I counted four police and one civilian (the guy thrown of the bridge, the helicopter crew and Jacobs), all due to the gorilla who is dead already.
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*** Also: fending off a chimp near your kids, fine. Persuing said chimp when it instantly leaves and trying to beat it with a baseball bat? Asshole.
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** Not to mention the fact that, when you think about it, what exactly puts Humanity on the top spot of the planet and seperated us from our ape brethren? Our lack of speed and strength were off-set by our intelligence and our ability to create tools to augment our own power. Humans created a virus that gave Apes who prosessed 10 times our strength... the same mental prowess as humans and the ability to creatively think... and then we gave them a rather large chip on their shoulder. Who do ''think'' is naturally going to win? The Human Race effectively signed its own extinction warrant.
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*** As was already said, the virus was designed as an ''air-borne'' pathogen. Caesar's apes carried the virus within themselves. Once they were in proximity to the zoo apes, they were infected.
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* I'm really surprised I haven't seen this already, and that makes me think I must've missed something, but I'll ask anyway: why did Will never just ASK Caesar what was going on? They establish that the two can actually have conversations, and while I'm sure Caesar has some limitations with sign language, he'd certainly be able to get across, say, the horrible treatment by the animal control people, or his own feelings of abandonment and anger at the human race. Was Will meant to be just another bigoted human, even if he is more accepting of apes, and thus simply not think Caesar can express himself? Which would be insanely stupid of him having personally measured Caesar's level of intelligence, but I suppose is a possibility?
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** Because he is an asshole. He treats everybody like crap, regardless of what they're doing. He beats up an old man out of anger, threatens people, hates everybody, etc. etc. His anger may have been justified in a few cases but, hey, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Plus, there was that minor incident where he decided it would be a good idea to fly around the world even though he knew he was sick. Basically, he's the type of person who does whatever he wants and expects the world to conform. AKA, an asshole.
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* Why did they make the virus airborne in the first place? Having it be transmitted by fluids only would make it far more easy to control, and Franklin wouldn't have had his incident--nor would Caesar have been able to dose the other apes with it so easily.
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** If I recall it happened the same week his father died. It was clear how attached he was to him, and it's not rare on people on severe stages of depression to withdraw from all human contact, not answering calls or emails.
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**** There is a scene with Jacob urging the helicopter to reach them before the mist covered them. They tried, but the chimps climbed faster than they could react. Even if they blindly shooted into the mist, the helicopter can't risk getting too closer due to the mist, and the apes have been long gone, they have proved they are quite apt at evasion tactics.

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