History Headscratchers / GrandTheftAutoV

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[[folder: Rape?]]

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[[folder: Torture?]]

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[[folder: Jizz don't roll like that]]

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[[folder: The Ending(s)]]

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[[folder: Legal Troubles]]
The Mission "Legal Troubles" on several levels[[spoiler: Solomon fails to inform Michael that the physical copy of the film that Molly took is NOT the only copy and he has backup digital copies, (his reaction when she takes the film certainly implies that it is the only copy) so Michael ends up chasing after her and unintentionally leads to her getting killed, only after he retrives the film does he get a call for Solomon(you'd think he would've called Mike sooner so as not to risk having his associate producer get killed or arrested) who tells him about the backup copies, he could've saved Mike a lot of hell trouble by telling him that beforehand, then the death could've been avoided and maybe Molly would've talked Weston out of going after his family. Also the way Weston talks to you on the phone afterwards implies that he's more pissed at you about her death then about the deal, almost making it seem like he mainly went after you to get revenge for her), it certainly makes more sense then him going after Michael's family just because of a ruined business deal.]]
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The Mission "Legal Troubles" on several levels[[spoiler: Solomon fails to inform Michael that the physical copy of the film that Molly took is NOT the only copy and he has backup digital copies, (his reaction when she takes the film certainly implies that it is the only copy) so Michael ends up chasing after her and unintentionally leads to her getting killed, only after he retrives the film does he get a call for Solomon(you'd think he would've called Mike sooner so as not to risk having his associate producer get killed or arrested) who tells him about the backup copies, he could've saved Mike a lot of hell trouble by telling him that beforehand, then the death could've been avoided and maybe Molly would've talked Weston out of going after his family. Also the way Weston talks to you on the phone afterwards implies that he's more pissed at you about her death then about the deal, almost making it seem like he mainly went after you to get revenge for her), it certainly makes more sense then him going after Michael's family just because of a ruined business deal.]]

** The Mission "Legal Troubles" on several levels[[spoiler: Solomon fails to inform Michael that the physical copy of the film that Molly took is NOT the only copy and he has backup digital copies, (his reaction when she takes the film certainly implies that it is the only copy) so Michael ends up chasing after her and unintentionally leads to her getting killed, only after he retrives the film does he get a call for Solomon(you'd think he would've called Mike sooner so as not to risk having his associate producer get killed or arrested) who tells him about the backup copies, he could've saved Mike a lot of hell trouble by telling him that beforehand, then the death could've been avoided and maybe Molly would've talked Weston out of going after his family. Also the way Weston talks to you on the phone afterwards implies that he's more pissed at you about her death then about the deal, almost making it seem like he mainly went after you to get revenge for her), it certainly makes more sense then him going after Michael's family just because of a ruined business deal.]]

** Franklin's FatalFlaw - which, admittedly, boarders on InformedFlaw - is that he's rather short sighted and always looks for a fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this, where is option C is him steeling up and overcoming.

** Franklin's FatalFlaw - which, admittedly, boarders on InformedFlaw - is that he's rather short sighted and always looks for a fast exit when things go south. Options A & B are a reflection of this, where is option C is him stealing up and overcoming.

** Option C is the only option that makes any sense. [[spoiler: Trevor]] has done nothing wrong to Franklin. And no matter how much [[spoiler:Trevor says he hates Michael]] he doesn't help Franklin in Option B even though [[spoiler: Michael]] helps Franklin in Option A.

*** Devin Weston is rich, powerful, employing ruthless mercenaries, and has deep connections to the FIB. I doubt Franklin felt like he had much of a choice in the matter considering who he would be dealing with. His pragmatic nature might have been a deciding factor as well.

*** Devin Weston is rich, powerful, and emplying top ruthless mercenaries and has deep connections to the FIB. I doubt Franklin felt like he had much of a choice in the matter considering who he would be dealing with. His pragmatic nature might have been a deciding factor as well.

** I think it was supposed to be a 'what-if' scenario. Granted, a scenario not well thought out, but just a 'what-if' scenario. The possible canon endings for them is Ending A [[spoiler: where you kill Trevor, and Frankie did say they should put that crazy psycho in the ground when he first hears how just batshit insane Trevor was]] or Ending C where [[spoiler: The gang lives, and kills the BigBadEnsemble.]]

* Interestingly, nobody cares about implied male rape, because raping a man is comedy, not a crime.

** I think it was supposed to be a 'what-if' scenario. Granted, a scenario not well thought out, but just a 'what-if' scenario. The possible canon endings for them is Ending A [[spoiler: where you kill Trevor, and Frankie did say they should put that crazy psycho in the ground when he first hears how just batshit insane Trevor was]] or Ending C where [[spoiler: The gang lives.]]

** My question is, why couldn't you skip it? Not everyone's comfortable with playing through a very graphic torture scene. In Modern Warfare, you were able to skip the infamous 'No Russian' mission.

* How can Franklin justify taking option B?

How can Franklin justify taking option B?

I mean seriously, [[spoiler:Mike takes him from the gutter, turns him into a Grade A career criminal, makes him rich, acts as a mentor and father figure for him, and their bond is one of the only ''positive'' relationships in the entire game. Conversely, Trevor is a murderous, insane, serial killing, bloodthirsty psychopath, NotSoDifferent from the same scumbags Frank was doing his best to get away from; everyone who works with Trev (''including Franklin!'') labels him as a liability, and it's clear from the moment he shows up in LS that something needs to be done about him.]]

[[spoiler:Yet we're supposed to buy that Frankie would kill off Michael instead of him, because some rich idiot, considerably stupider than the plethora of wealthy criminals we've been screwing over throughout the entire game--the guy pops by during a jog to go inside a known killer's house, alone, and talk some shit--and whom Franklin mocks and kicks out on the curb after being issued with the choice... vaguely threatened him? After all he's seen and done in the game? I don't know, it feels ''so'' out of place to me. The game really didn't organically justify the Frankie we've been playing as for the last XX hours making that choice; it seems more like a way for players who disliked Michael to kill him off ForTheLulz.]]

*** Well, seeing as how he's a FatIdiot, LazyBum, TheStoner, etc., it wouldn't surprise if he STILL couldn't figure it out after all that time. Especially if his online buddies aren't any brighter (or deliberately haven't enlightened him of the definition ForTheLulz).

* I think that was the point to the scene. It essentially was meant to establish how much of a fuck ass Steve is and how awful and corrupt the FIB is.

* With Mike, there are two possibilities. Either the GTA verse version of Canada is a bunch of pussies(likely), or it was a joint Canadian FIB operation and the americans didn't let the canadians in on the fact they were flipping Mike(his witsec seems to be off the books, anyway). With Trevor, he escaped. One assumes he's still a highly wanted man in Canada, though.

** There's being bad at slang and there's not realizing that the nickname you've chosen for yourself is one of the most common words for ejaculate in the last thirty years. If he's seen ten internet pornos- and he's seen much, much more than that- he should know this.

* Uh, [[TotallyRadical the way he doesn't realize what half the words coming out of his mouth mean?]]

How does Jimmy not realize what Jizzle means?

* Most likely, yea. Trevor being a rapist is hardly out of character for him. Even if he simply talked Floyd into it, the way Trevor talks Floyd into anything would still qualify.

Does Trevor really rape Floyd? (When he's crying when you jump to Floyd's apartment to check up on Trevor.)

* With Mike, there are two possibilities. Either the GTA verse version of Canada is a bunch of pussies(likely), or it was a joint Canadian FIB operation and the americans didn't let the canadians in on the fact they were flipping Mike(his witsec seems to be off the books, anyway). With Trevor, he escaped. One assumes he's still a highly wanted man in Canada, though.

* With Mike, there are too possibilities. Either the GTA verse version of Canada is a bunch of pussies(likely), or it was a joint Canadian FIB operation and the americans didn't let the canadians in on the fact they were flipping Mike(his witsec seems to be off the books, anyway). With Trevor, he escaped. One assumes he's still a highly wanted man in Canada, though.

There's one thing that bugs me about the otherwise awesome prologue. According to later in-game information, North Yankton is [[CanadaEh an Ontario border town]]. It is incredibly rare for even one Canadian police officer to die in the line of duty, let alone the dozens and dozens of police officers and Michael, Trevor and their two compatriots gun down during the robbery. Considering how outraged Canada was (or would be, given the timeline) about [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayerthorpe_tragedy the murder of four Mounties]], how could Michael [[spoiler: fake his death]] and Trevor be able to move to the States without the entire country screaming for their heads?