History Headscratchers / DragonBallOther

*** Anime-only event, not canon. Outside of swallowing some (Dragon)balls, neither Piccolo Jr, Snr nor Kami are ever shown eating anything.

* And don't you need to be, like, emotionally focused to the breaking point to achieve Super Saiyan in the first place? Yeah, I know they're supposed to be stronger then their parents, somehow, but this is just ridiculous.

*** Actually, Toriyama stated that Pan couldn't because a person has to have more Saiyan blood than human blood to turn [=SSJ=] and Pan is only 1/4 Saiyan. Toriyama later added that he really just didn't want to draw Pan as a [=SSJ=] because he thought it would be too difficult.
*** YMMV on GT's canonicity, but that Goku/Vegeta Jr fight was a complete farce. There is evidence to support the fact that either the Y Chromosome or 1/4 is the cut-off point for Super Saiyan. The only two prerequisites for being a Super Saiyan are sufficient power and sufficient motivation. No one can tell me that, at any point during the Baby, Super 17 or Shadow Dragon saga, whilst watching her entire family get critically injured, did she not once find the motivation to go Super Saiyan 1. Yes, it wouldn't have helped in the slightest, but that's not the point for a girl who is essentially a younger version of Videl - ''she would have tried to help anyway.'' She was also at least as strong as Goten during the early part of the Buu saga - so really the only two reasons are plot hole and Toriyama's open contempt for what his series had become.

** As noted in canon Gohan is something of a softy, unlike the rest of the Z fighters, he doesn't take as much pleasure in fighting, hell, that is his entire arc in the Cell Saga, he still has the Saiyan lust for battle, but he can't use it unless he is pushed, Chi-Chi, unlike Gohan's battle crazy dad, kinda gets this, she wants for him to have something to fall back on, she just overdoes it, his Saiyaman antics seem to be a release for what little battle lust he has, and later on it is said by many characters that unlike the rest of the group, he hasn't really been keeping up with his training, to the point that in ''Resurrection F'' he isn't sure whether he can become [=SSJ2=] anymore, unlike the others who at least kept up some of their training, but remember, some of the Z fighters do have normal lives outside of fighting this months' HumanoidAbomination, Yamcha is a baseball player and Krillin is a ''Cop!'' that might be the avenue that Gohan takes later on in life, [[TheRealHeroes not all heroes wear gi's]]

** Why is the Red Ribbon Army all colors? Why is Frieza's race all cold-related names? Why are Destroyers and their angels all forms of liquor? It's just a Toriyama thing.

*** Especially by BoG the heroes clearly consider themselves the "owners" of the Dragonballs and leaving them unguarded is nearly suicidally dumb. Resurrection of Frieza clearly demonstrates this. As for some guy wanting to find them to wish back his village he's actually in a better spot with the Z Fighters guarding them than not. That's all seven in one place guarded by people who would likely give them to you if they deemed you worthy. The alternative being traveling around the world and hoping it takes you less than a year to collect them. It's easy to forget that gathering the Dragon Balls is extremely difficult even for fairly powerful people like Roshi.

** As noted in canon Gohan is something of a softy, unlike the rest of the Z fighters, he doesn't take as much pleasure in fighting, hell, that is his entire arc in the Cell Saga, he still has the Saiyan lust for battle, but he can't use it unless he is pushed, Chi-Chi, unlike Gohan's battle crazy dad, kinda gets this, she wants for him to have something to fall back on, she just overdoes it, his Saiyaman antics seem to be a release for what little battle lust he has, and later on it is said by many characters that unlike the rest of the group, he hasn't really been keeping up with his training, to the point that in ''Resurrection F'' he isn't sure whether he can become SSJ2 anymore, unlike the others who at least kept up some of their training, but remember, some of the Z fighters do have normal lives outside of fighting this months' HumanoidAbomination, Yamcha is a baseball player and Krillin is a ''Cop!'' that might be the avenue that Gohan takes later on in life, [[TheRealHeroes not all heroes wear gi's]]

*** Pedantic moment here: I think evolution simply works as follows: ‘This random mutation is either helping me reproduce, or not keeping me from reproducing, so it stays.’ With the Namekians, clearly the teeth isn’t getting in their way of making more offsprings, and it even helps them survive in close-quarter combat (i.e., biting.)

*** Pedantic moment here: I think evolution simply works as follows: ‘This random mutation is either helping me reproduce, or not keeping me from producing, so it stays.’ With the Namekians, clearly the teeth isn’t getting in their way of making more offsprings, and it even helps them survive in close-quarter combat (i.e., biting.)

* Frieza being afraid of Beerus and asking him permission to blow up Planet Vegeta...doesn't this retcon hurt his character a bit? I'm used to seeing Frieza as a powerful tyrant, and a ruthless one at that. Why not have Frieza blow up Planet Vegeta behind Beerus's back and lie to him? He could have told Beerus that an insane Saiyan blew it up. It would be true to Frieza's character for him to lie and do things behind your back.

** As noted in canon Gohan is something of a softy, unlike the rest of the Z fighters, he doesn't take as much pleasure in fighting, hell, that is his entire arc in the Cell Saga, he still has the Saiyan lust for battle, but he can't use it unless he is pushed, Chi-Chi, unlike Gohans battle crazy dad, kinda gets this, she wants for him to have something to fall back on, she just overdoes it, his Saiyaman antics seem to be a release for what little battle lust he has, and later on it is said by many characters that unlike the rest of the group, he hasn't really been keeping up with his training, to the point that in ''Resurrection F'' he isn't sure whether he can become SSJ2 anymore, unlike the others who at least kept up some of their training, but remember, some of the Z fighters do have normal lives outside of fighting this months' HumanoidAbomination, Yamcha is a baseball player and Krillin is a ''Cop!'' that might be the avenue that Gohan takes later on in life, [[TheRealHeroes not all heroes wear gi's]]

** You probably can't wish for world domination at least not in any real sense of the word. Nearly all the Z-fighters are stronger by far than Dende and it's made clear that the Dragon cannot affect beings more powerful than itself against their will. So either the wish fizzles or the Z-fighters take you out. You can't wish to be more powerful and even if you could it would probably max out at Dende strength. It's not clear if immortality would even work. The only example is the extremely loose cannon of Garlic Jr. And even then if you're not on par with say Buu the absolute worst case scenario is wrestling you into the ROSAT and destroying the door.

*** Especially by BoG the heroes clearly consider themselves the "owners" of the Dragonballs and leaving them unguarded is nearly suicidally dumb. Resurrection of Frieza clearly demonstrates this. As for some guy wanted to find them to wish back his village he's actually in a better spot with the Z Fighters guarding them than not. That's all seven in one place guarded by people who would likely give them to you if they deemed you worthy. The alternative being traveling around the world and hoping it takes you less than a year to collect them. It's easy to forget that gathering the Dragon Balls is extremely difficult even for fairly powerful people like Roshi.

** It's explained in ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'': it's a combination of them being freakishly strong, loving fight too much to be reasoned with, and an almost invincible immune system, with the latter being ''the'' main reason as the only weapon of the Galactic Patrol that can stop Frieza's army is a virus bomb that has no effect on the Saiyan.

* Why do the games tend to promote Gogeta vs Broly? As awesome as that would b, this ''never'' happens. Tenkaichi 3's intro shows Gohan fighting Janemba (also never happens) while Gogeta fights Broly, even it would make more sense for Gogeta to fight Janemba and Gohan to fight Broly, fights which actually happen. And a lot of the other games will either include them duking it out in the intro or having them fight in story mode. Here's an incomplete list: Budokai 3, Tenkaichi 3, Shin Budokai, Raging Blast, Raging Blast 2, and I believe Burst Limit. There are a few I'm forgetting. It just seems strange that a nonexistent fight gets so hyped up.

*** It still staggers belief that only four (eight if you count the movies) Saiyans managed to survive. We didn't see all of their planet but it's safe to assume there should have been millions of them not hundreds or thousands and based on how they were used there should have been more that escaped. Kinda like how nuking America and I mean every inch of it, wouldn't kill Americans. We've got enough bases in other places and people on vacation etc, etc that wouldn't be enough. It's at least implied that the Saiyans were basically the badasses of Frieza's army sparing characters with names. Most of them don't seem to be able to fly and they have laser cannons because they can't shoot. Hunting down the last Saiyans when only your elites can safely approach a Saiyan doesn't seem like the sort of thing Frieza would bother with. It's true that they could be hunted based on their pods but two things. One they knew exactly where Goku was and apparently didn't care until Vegeta casually sent Raditz out so he could have a four-man wrecking crew so clearly they weren't hunting very hard. (Either that or Earth is so far out from civilization that it wasn't worth it) And Scouters are ALWAYS ON. Once on wayward Saiyan started shouting holy crap Frieza's soldiers are attacking every other Saiyan should have gone into hiding. Personally, my theory is there are a lot of Saiyans out on a lot of planets who don't know Frieza's dead and have no way of contacting each other without the Scouters they're afraid to use because it would give away their location.

** Its up to you if it counts or not, but a sidequest in the second GBA Legacy of Goku game covers this: Capsule Corp and a rival company are racing to see who can make capsules that can contain living things. So far, the only thing we know about their progress is "its not pretty".

*** As mentioned above, the fact that Bulma makes sure everyone is out before shrinking the house means that either a)capsules don't work when living things are inside or b)the results are so horrific no one willingly does it.

** Disagree with half of the guesses above. Think it's entirely possible, and thus [[FridgeHorror Fridge Horrorific]]. Like you said, Krillin, Roshi, and Chiaotzu were seen to be reduced to Capsule size inside the Freezer capsules. They could have been easily resurrected with the Dragon Balls while still inside the capsule. Considering that the cast takes great care in DB to make sure no one is inside, it seems entirely possible. My guess is that it would almost EXACTLY like Pokemon: you're trapping living creatures in a small containment thing that forcibly shrinks them so they fit inside. You could thus easily hide bodies, money, ANYTHING inside a capsule. The Fridge Horror comes from the fact that anyone could do it any day of the week. It never came up in the writing, but you'd think there has to be some sort of safety release or law that explicitly prevents such exploitation of the capsule system. If there isn't, then the Briefs family obviously has some other business making them rich.

** My guess is that the people won't shrink, thus breaking the house.

* Is it possible to trap a person inside a Capsule House when it reforms into handheld form? In the Namek Saga, Bulma's house contains a fridge full of food - meaning that organic material can definitely be shrunk within. If indeed it is possible why all that messing around trying to use the Mafuba Wave during the King Piccolo saga when you could simply lure the guy into Kame House, press the magic button, stand back. Alternatively, if all else fails, a specially modified house would make a heck of a bigger target for the Mafuba than a bloody rice cooker...

** Hybrid Vigor mentioned above is a decent explanation as to why Half-Saiyans are more powerful than full bloods. The reason why they are considered such is because the cannon heavily supports it. It probably has as much to do with having the kids grow at similar rates to their parents would have made them useless in story and even if Vegeta and Goku had had full-blooded children they likely would have been as OP as Gohan, Trunks and Gotten that doesn't change the facts. Gohan was consistently far more powerful than he had any right to be including surpassing Goku during the Cell Saga. Trunks and Gotten both achieve Super Saiyan status even younger than Gohan. By contrast both Goku and Vegeta were adults when they accomplished it. There are lots of reasons, presumably both Gotten and Trunks started training in multiples of Earth gravity shortly after they could walk and both had regular contact with someone who could go Super. It's also been theorized that it might be somehow genetic and when Goku and Vegeta turned those genes 'on' they passed to their children.

** This isn't, or shouldn't, be an issue of Genes, but of Ki. Every living creature has Ki and That Ki has to come from somewhere, at least initially. When Goten was conceived his Ki came from the blending of Chi-chi and Goku's Ki, at a point AFTER Goku had attained Super Saiyanhood. Thus, Goku's Ki would have been different than it was when he conceived Gohan. Gohan had no Super-Saiyan Ki in him so he had a hard time going Super Saiyan. Goten did have Super Saiyan Ki in him so he had no problem going Super Saiyan.

*** Anime-only event, not canon. Outside of swallowing some (Dragon)balls, neither Piccolo Jr, Snr or Kami is ever shown eating anything.

* Why are ki attacks allowed at the World Martial Arts tournament? there are only three rules that govern this tournament: No weapons or items of any kind (this is taken to the extreme that even head protection isn't allowed) unless they are part of the body (Piccolo's Namekian abilities, Giran's Merry-Go-Round Gum and even Goku's Great Ape would all count) no low blows and no falling outside the ring. Now, whilst it is arguable that the general population of the world knew of ki attacks during the 21st, it most certainly didn't know by the 25th. Hercule had played a large part in convincing the world ki is little more than smoke and mirrors. This presents a problem: even the smallest trick would logically require a smoke grenade/mirror/firework/jetpack... why aren't the judges constantly going ''for that blatant use of an illegal weapon/item you have hereby forfeited the match?'' If you had no knowledge of ki or magic, how would you interpret someone hovering or using the Kamehameha Wave? There is no way you wouldn't believe that Goku hadn't just broken the rules.

* How the bloody hell can regular humans see the swift movements of the cast? It's very noticeable that the characters can move at such speed that they can a rock-paper-scissors game without people noticing, and that was from the original Dragonball manga, plus characters after them are '''WAY''' faster. But in Z, they see punches, kicks, etc, that move several times the speed of sound, how does that work?

** I don't think they do. If you watch the Cell Saga, specifically the television coverage, I don't think the present humans are seeing anything more than flashes of light and hearing thunder clashes and turning in those directions as a reaction to the sounds. They make a point that even the Z fighters (minus Gohan) were having trouble keeping up with that fight. The only other fights with witnesses are the World Tournament and I'm willing to chalk that up to the boys were holding back just enough to be seen. Or as stated above StrongAsTheyNeedToBe.

** I would like to know why a race that naturally retains it youthfulness would live only as long as an average human. If their bodies are designed to avoid the effects of aging should live much longer, depending on how effective the body is at doing that. I was also under the assumption that Goku and Vegeta didn't leave because they were going to die anytime soon, but they were about to hit the point where their bodies were going to start declining from age and just wanted to go out in one last epic battle while they were still at their peak rather than slowly degrading their power and eventually dying in their beds.

*** The Original dragon ball arguably supports Shen's longevity since he was about the same age as Roshi. Baba is Roshi's older sister and she seems to be long-lived as well. Unless they all drank the elixir?

** Speaking of the ''Namekians only drink water'' thing; is there any way realistically this could work? are there enough nutrients and minerals in water to theoretically sustain a 6ft humanoid creature? as I understand it even bacteria need food in order to survive.

*** That's not exactly correct. It's closer to "this random mutation is helping me reproduce, WINNING." than "this isn't hurting, might as well keep it." As to the original question, out of universe it's because Namekians were a retcon just like Saiyans. Before ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' made Goku and Piccolo into aliens they were the Monkey King from Journey to the West and a Demon. In-Universe lots of things could have happened. My personal theory is that the drought that nearly wiped them out was not at all uncommon, and at one point Namekians had to chew cactus or other similar plants to extract the fluids inside.

*** That's not exactly correct. It's closer to "this random mutation is helping me reproduce, WINNING." than "this isn't hurting, might as well keep it." As to the original question, out of universe it's because Namekians were a retcon just like Saiyans. Before DBZ made Goku and Picollo into aliens they were the Monkey King from Journey to the West and a Demon. In-Universe lots of things could have happened. My personal theory is that the drought that nearly wiped them out was not at all uncommon, and at one point Namekians had to chew cactus or other similar plants to extract the fluids inside.

* Am I the only one confused about how aging works in Dragon Ball? Exacerbated by DBO, Goku and Vegeta apparently leave together for one last fight in the year 801, Goku is 64 (physically 57) and Vegeta is 69 (physically 70/71) and they know their "time is coming to an end". The problem is that in DBZ it's fairly consistent that more skilled/stronger fighters live extremely long lives (eg: Master Roshi, Master Shen, Taopaipai, Kami...) as well as the fact that Saiyans age slower than humans. Putting these factors together wasn't Goku and Vegeta's demise a bit of a waste? Or maybe they aren't quite dead?

*** There is no true evidence that Ki is linked to longevity - in fact, if you factor in the strain of all that energy and all that damage from all of their battles I find it surprising that they don't die earlier. As for the examples given by the Original Poster: Saiyans are canonically stated to age differently to humans in that they don't feel the debilitating effects as early as us, Master Roshi canonically drank from the Fountain of Youth (despite his name it didn't actually restore his youth and thus locked him as an old man forever), Kami is a Namekian and they live hundreds of years. As for Krillin, Tien and Yamcha, they don't have a single canonical fight after Buu so we don't actually know how much energy they have lost over the years (and yes, Personal Continuity aside, Dragonball GT, Dragonball Online and any movies are ''not'' canon.)

*** I looked it up - In Manga canon it was an Immortality Elixir while in Anime canon it was a Fountain. In either case, his longevity is artificial. I think it's worth noting that we never see Shen beyond the original Dragonball and neither he nor Tao certainly should have been resurrected when Buu destroyed the Earth so we have no idea how long he lived/would have lived.

* When people die, they go to the afterlife. Some keep their bodies after death. The Kais all live in the afterlife, and when King Kai and Old Kai died, they pretty much just gained halos on the spot, which also means they don't need to see King Yemma. Even King Kai in ''Super'' says that his desire to live again is more for the principle of the thing and doesn't affect his job. So for all intents and purposes, a Kai being dead means little. Yet in the timeline where [[spoiler:Goku Black and Future Zamasu killed the Kais and by extension the Gods of Destruction]], as well as when Buu killed the original Universe 7 Supreme Kais, they are treated as being as irreversibly gone like the mortals. So the question is why do some Kais hang around after death and others don't?