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**** This troper has already drawn one such picture [[http://www.elfwood.com/~davidm2/Aerie.3452261.html here]]
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***** No. This is ''not'' a matter of semantics. Murder is a word which means ''unlawful'' killing. This has been true ''since the Ten Commandments''. Whatever emotional people might say, murder has always been definable within a legal framework, and it does ''not'' refer to any killing you dislike.
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** What makes you think it's a codename at all? "Melissan" is about as much of a codename for "Amelyssan" as "Mandy" is for "Amanda"; it was probably just her nickname.
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* Why did none of the five try to cut a deal with you? After you'd killed Illasera, Gromnir Il-Khan, and Yaga-Shura, to say nothing of having earlier killed Sarevok and Irenicus, it surely must have occurred to the others that you were probably pretty dangerous. And remember, when Mel originally recruited the five, they were told that they would share power as Bhaal's right-hand servants once he was resurrected, so they were all willing, or at least said they were, to share power. Sure, Abazigal may have been so arrogant because as a dragon, he thought he was invincible, and Balthazar wanted to kill all the Bhaalspawn, but what about Sendai? She seemed genuinely afraid once she realized just what had breached her enclave, and was approaching her inner sanctum. Why didn't she at least try to cut a deal? Offer information on and help against her erstwhile allies in exchange for mercy? Especially after the first few of her clones went down in the final battle? Why not at least try talking things out?
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** The same way Bhaal is LawfulEvil. You become the God of the ACT of Murder. It's your job to deal with murderers and victims of murder as you see fit. Therefore as the God of Murder you have the divine right to take care of the murdered souls and punish murderers. Sarevok was probably planning to become some sort of patron for murderers to pray to before or after the act, while you can become the patron for victims to pray for mercy and justice.
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** Phaere's overcompensating is a good point, but mostly it is, unfortunately, just bad writing that pertains to the drow as a concept in general. They are a [[PlanetOfHats Subrace of Evil]] and will tell you that at every opportunity, because there is nothing more to them than that. The drow are a social, economical and philosophical nonsense that mostly serves as a vessel for assorted [[FetishFuel likes]] or [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen dislikes]] [[AuthorAppeal of their creator.]]
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** Turn your neck 45 degrees to the right. Now, move your eyes. Voila. You are now looking at your back. Or at the very least, your shoulder blades, where wings could sprout from.
*** Or, you know, she used a mirror.
*** Or, you know, she used a mirror.
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** Irenicus seems a lot more interested in Imoen's soul than yours, apparently finding it to be in some way unique. In addition many Bhaalspawn exhibit unique abilities that are not related to their race/class (such as the slayer form, or teleporting peasants). Taking these two facts, I believe that Imoen's inability to truly die was the way her Bhaalspawn power manifest itself.
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I been wonderin\'....
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* During the first stages of the PC/Aerie romance, Aerie makes mention of the fact that she's been looking at the stumps and scars on her back where her wings used to be. How the hell does she manage that? Yoga?
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*** Not necessarily. It is Official Realms Canon that dwarf/human half-dwarves are, for intents and purposes, dwarves (it was indicated to happen relatively often in some regions, as one of the few differences that were there were that the human-related dwarves didn't have the reproductive problems other dwarves had at the time -- not all dwarves are immune to pragmatism when it comes to the future of the race). Mind, if nothing else it is very likely that Bhaal used a suitable avatar for whatever it was he was 'spawning a score of progeny' with (he was a god, he could decide to manifest in the form of a chincilla if he feels like it).
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***** This actually seems like a bit of FridgeBrilliance to me. Bhaal is the god of the moment when a living being is transitioning into a dead one, right? And the actual dead were Myrkul's (now Kelemvor's) domain. If you're a god of a transitionary period, there's nothing but your own choice to dictate which direction it ultimately goes in. A good god of death could probably be convinced to help dying people hang onto life as often as not, since it really doesn't impact your domain if they pull through or pass on - they just need to be ''dying'', not ''dead''. An evil god of death wouldn't make the effort to help anyone, and would probably be stronger if a lot of people were dying very often; hence 'God of Murder' being more of an end result than a requirement in Bhaal's case.
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** I would be completely willing to chalk it up to GameplayAndStorySegregation if it weren't for that one derp line where she ''references dying''. Which happens in ToB, at which point the writers have no excuse.
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** You could have plenty of time after killing Sarevok but before Irenicus kidnaps you.
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***Baldur's Gate was not cribbing much at all from 3e, as 3e was not out yet when the mechanics of BGII were put into place. They knew some things were coming, like sorcerers, so they added them, but nitty gritty rules were a no-go. Also, Later Self in 2e does not equal alter self in 3e.
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* Why does Melissan use a "codename?" Anyone who had no idea who she was wouldn't know it if she was called Amelyssan or Melissan, and anyone who did know who she was could see right through "Melissan" considering it's not all that different. So... why bother?
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* How come [[FanNickname Big E]] doesn't do a damn thing except sit around and be Cryptic, or giving a token item if it's clear that he really doesn't want this whole "Bhaal trying to resurrect himself via {{Xanatos Gambit}}" to happen?
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* How come [[FanNickname Big E]] doesn't do a damn thing except sit around and be Cryptic, or giving a token item if it's clear that he really doesn't want this whole "Bhaal trying to resurrect himself via {{Xanatos Gambit}}" himself" {{plan}} to happen?
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*** I think that's correct, too. Otherwise all Dwarf PCs would be half-dwarf, etc.
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*** I think that's correct, too. Otherwise all Dwarf PCs [=PCs=] would be half-dwarf, etc.
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** FridgeBrilliance actually.Given that he's one of the worst characters in the entire series, no player would use him to complete the adventure.
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** The first rule of geas is that you do not talk about geas. Well, not really, but Irenicus is a smart guy, I'm sure it's one of the first instructions he gives to his ensorcelled underlings.
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* When you invade Abizagal's lair, you have to obtain a scroll of reversal in order to free a dragon trapped under a geas. Because you can successfully do this, then why on earth didn't Yoshimo just explain his situation and ask the character to look for a scroll such as that to free him from his geas? Granted he wasnt actually there because he didn't survive until Throne of Bhaal, but still...
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* When you invade Abizagal's lair, you have to obtain a scroll of reversal in order to free a dragon trapped under a geas. Because you can successfully do this, then why on earth didn't Yoshimo just explain his situation and ask the character to look for a scroll such as that to free him from his geas? Granted he wasnt actually there because he didn't survive until Throne the events of Bhaal, Shadow's Of Amn, but still...
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*When you invade Abizagal's lair, you have to obtain a scroll of reversal in order to free a dragon trapped under a geas. Because you can successfully do this, then why on earth didn't Yoshimo just explain his situation and ask the character to look for a scroll such as that to free him from his geas? Granted he wasnt actually there because he didn't survive until Throne of Bhaal, but still...
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* So when did I find time to visit Ulgoth's Beard or Watcher's Keep? I don't mean gameplay wise, but rather story-wise. Given how imperative your quests are (especially late in the game, which is genrally the point you're high enough level to tackle these areas) it seems odd that you'd just wander off to do a bit of random adventuring. Perhaps the part that I have the biggest problem with is the Werewolf island, where it specifically states a one-way trip takes an entire month (even if it wasn't reflected on the calendar). Does Sarevok's master plan have two months of down time we can take advantage of or something?
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*** The explanation from the PnP rules is just that: any human/elf cross is a half elf, even if there was only one human several generations ago. (As in, an elf and a half-elf mate, they make a half-elf; he mates with an elf, they make a half-elf.) Probably they just didn't want to get into human/elf combos with 1 part human and 15 parts elf, cuz you can't have rules for hundreds of different race combinations.
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*** I think that's correct, too. Otherwise all Dwarf PCs would be half-dwarf, etc.
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** Plus, after having watched the powerful magic of the Cowled Wizards at work, and then seeing how Irenicus utterly decimated them, the PC and his/her party probably would have wanted to spend some time growing in power. No use in rushing into a suicide assault.
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** Possibly Bhaalspawn can be resurrected, but upon doing so they lose Bhaal's essence. This would explain why the game ends when CHARNAME dies (as the plot would no longer make sense), why Imoen doesn't develop any Bhaal powers, and why Sarevok is no longer a Bhaalspawn after BG1. In BG2, Imoen can't die until after her soul's been given to Bodhi, so if you assume that canonically she made it through BG1 without dying, that would make sense too.
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** Or, possibly, Sarevok was exaggerating his knowledge to make himself seem more useful to the PC. It's not everyday you get a chance to resurrect oneself, after all, and if you need to stretch the truth a bit to do that, then...
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*** In that sense, it seems similar to the introduction of the Shichibukai in OnePiece, when it turned out that one of the six besides Mihawk represented by stereotypical pirate silhouettes is a woman, three of them are too large to fit the image, and the other two are human but don't dress the way they're being depicted. But if the sixth person seems to be Melissan, whom it's indicated that no one but Balthazar knows about, there are inconsistencies besides their appearances and gender.
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*** In that sense, it seems similar to the introduction of the Shichibukai Seven Warlords of the Sea in OnePiece, ''Manga/OnePiece'', when it turned out that one of the six besides Mihawk represented by stereotypical pirate silhouettes is a woman, three of them are too large to fit the image, and the other two are human but don't dress the way they're being depicted. But if the sixth person seems to be Melissan, whom it's indicated that no one but Balthazar knows about, there are inconsistencies besides their appearances and gender.
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*** Part of it could also be an overly burdensome sense of responsibility, at least for good PC's. Sure, you need to save Imoen, but are you going to abandon an entire town to murderous undead wolves or the less-than-tender mercies of Faldorn in order to do so?
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** They're not, but if you start handing in scalps from innocents someone will notice sooner or later. People don't just vanish, even in a place as dangerous and sparsely populated as the Sword Coast.
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** I think one very important point is being missed. Tiax is psychotically insane and has access to the metaphysical equivalent of an M1 Abrams. It doesn't really matter if he's a cleric or a mage, he's a violent loon who can throw ''way'' too much power around, and he needs to be taken off the streets of Athkatla before people start burning, bleeding or blowing up. It's even possible that he was tried in a conventional court, and is serving his sentence in Spellhold because it's the only prison that can hold him, or that he's awaiting trial in Spellhold for the same reason.
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** WordOfGod states that they are meant [[strike: [[BattlestarGalactica The FinalFive]]]] the Throne of Bhaal Bosses, but they hadn't figured out that they weren't all going to be Humanoids when they did the Cut Scene.
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