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* There's a lot of SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome-style deconstruction of Jafar and the Sultan's conflict with Jasmine in the original movie -- for instance, the fact that wanting Jasmine to marry isn't just based on sexist assumptions about a woman's place or needing a husband to protect her, it's based on the fact that AltarDiplomacy is SeriousBusiness in this time period and Jasmine repeatedly snubbing other royals as beneath her is bound to cause diplomatic problems.
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* There's a lot of SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome-style deconstruction of Jafar and the Sultan's conflict with Jasmine in the original movie -- for instance, the fact that wanting Jasmine to marry isn't just based on sexist assumptions about a woman's place or needing a husband to protect her, it's based on the fact that AltarDiplomacy is SeriousBusiness in this time period and Jasmine repeatedly snubbing other royals as beneath her is bound to cause diplomatic problems.
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** The only exception for that would be Scar's Story, since, unlike the other villains, The Lion King has clearly a place where the story takes place (Africa), but not a specific TIME when the story took place.
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Achmed!
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* Ja'far's wish to replace the genie is ultimately what leads to him getting Scheherazade back and having a "story that never ends". And when he asked for that, the Djinn quoted ''Film/GroundhogDay'' - a movie about a day that never ends.
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* Prince Achmed's lament that "No One Remembers Achmed" is fitting, as almost nobody remembers this obscure throwaway-joke side character from the original film — but also, given the fact that much the musical doubles as a metaphor for Disney, Pixar, and animation companies in general, the idea that "no one remembers Achmed" might also be a reference to how nobody remembers "The Adventures of Prince Achmed", a 1926 German film that's possibly the first feature-length animated film of all time.
* Prince Achmed's lament that "No One Remembers Achmed" is fitting, as almost nobody remembers this obscure throwaway-joke side character from the original film — but also, given the fact that much the musical doubles as a metaphor for Disney, Pixar, and animation companies in general, the idea that "no one remembers Achmed" might also be a reference to how nobody remembers "The Adventures of Prince Achmed", a 1926 German film that's possibly the first feature-length animated film of all time.
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Baleful Polymorph was renamed per TRS
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** Note that unlike Disney's Jafar, even when he becomes "the most powerful sorcerer in the world", Ja'far struggles to defeat Achmed's forces, because he lacked the sadistic imagination that made fighting Jafar a CurbStompBattle. (He tries to shove the bad guys away using MindOverMatter rather than Jafar's favorite trick of BalefulPolymorph.)
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** Note that unlike Disney's Jafar, even when he becomes "the most powerful sorcerer in the world", Ja'far struggles to defeat Achmed's forces, because he lacked the sadistic imagination that made fighting Jafar a CurbStompBattle. (He tries to shove the bad guys away using MindOverMatter rather than Jafar's favorite trick of BalefulPolymorph.ForcedTransformation.)
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* On the DVD commentary for Aladdin, the filmmakers state that having Aladdin feed the poor kids at the beginning of the movie was used as a PetTheDog moment, letting the Audience know they can root for him. The kids also show up here, near the beginning, and Aladdin '''does not''' feed them and instead acts very rude. Starkid is doing the exact opposite of what Disney did, letting us know early on, that we're ''not'' supposed to root for this guy.
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* On the DVD commentary for Aladdin, the filmmakers state that having Aladdin feed the poor kids at the beginning of the movie was used as a PetTheDog moment, letting the Audience audience know they can root for him.him even though he's a criminal. The kids also show up here, near the beginning, and Aladdin '''does not''' feed them and instead acts very rude. Starkid is doing the exact opposite of what Disney did, letting us know early on, that we're ''not'' supposed to root for this guy.
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* Ja'far's part in "Happy Ending" is an {{Expy}} of "The Wizard and I" from Theatre/{{Wicked}}, which begins with Madame Morrible predicting Elphaba will become the Wizard's magic grand [[StealthPun vizier]].
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* Ja'far's part in "Happy Ending" is an {{Expy}} {{expy}} of "The Wizard and I" from Theatre/{{Wicked}}, which begins with Madame Morrible predicting Elphaba will become the Wizard's magic grand [[StealthPun vizier]].
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* Achmed's song is a play on the old joke with the punchline, "but you fuck ''one'' goat..." which used to be (in slightly censored form) the TropeNamer for NeverLiveItDown.
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* Achmed's song is a play on the old joke with the punchline, "but you fuck ''one'' goat..." which used to be (in slightly censored form) the TropeNamer for NeverLiveItDown.NeverLiveItDown.
* Ja'far remarks to the Djinn that he didn't appreciate the song in he sang when he first came out of the lamp, which, if going by the Disney movie, would have been "You've Never Had a Friend Like Me". Is it any wonder that Ja'far, someone who no longer has any friends in the kingdom at all, didn't appreciate being reminded of it?
* Ja'far's wish to replace the genie is ultimately what leads to him getting Scheherazade back and having a "story that never ends". And when he asked for that, the Djinn quoted ''Film/GroundhogDay'' - a movie about a day that never ends.
* Ja'far remarks to the Djinn that he didn't appreciate the song in he sang when he first came out of the lamp, which, if going by the Disney movie, would have been "You've Never Had a Friend Like Me". Is it any wonder that Ja'far, someone who no longer has any friends in the kingdom at all, didn't appreciate being reminded of it?
* Ja'far's wish to replace the genie is ultimately what leads to him getting Scheherazade back and having a "story that never ends". And when he asked for that, the Djinn quoted ''Film/GroundhogDay'' - a movie about a day that never ends.
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella)]]. However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]]]]. This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway [[spoiler:than a peddler]], gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people]].
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella)]]. However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]]]]. This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway [[spoiler:than a peddler]], gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people]].people]].
* Achmed's song is a play on the old joke with the punchline, "but you fuck ''one'' goat..." which used to be (in slightly censored form) the TropeNamer for NeverLiveItDown.
* Achmed's song is a play on the old joke with the punchline, "but you fuck ''one'' goat..." which used to be (in slightly censored form) the TropeNamer for NeverLiveItDown.
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** Him splitting up Ja'far's final wish (to be an all powerful genie and freeing the Djinn in the process) solidifies this further, taking the credit for freeing the Djinn and making it seem more noble than the desperate HeroicSacrifice that Ja'far had.
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** Him splitting up Ja'far's final wish (to be an all powerful all-powerful genie and freeing the Djinn in the process) solidifies this further, taking the credit for freeing the Djinn and making it seem more noble than the desperate HeroicSacrifice that Ja'far had.
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** Note that unlike Disney's Jafar, even when he becomes "the most powerful sorcerer in the world" Ja'far struggles to defeat Achmed's forces, because he lacked the sadistic imagination that made fighting Jafar a CurbStompBattle. (He tries to shove the bad guys away using MindOverMatter rather than Jafar's favorite trick of BalefulPolymorph.)
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** Note that unlike Disney's Jafar, even when he becomes "the most powerful sorcerer in the world" world", Ja'far struggles to defeat Achmed's forces, because he lacked the sadistic imagination that made fighting Jafar a CurbStompBattle. (He tries to shove the bad guys away using MindOverMatter rather than Jafar's favorite trick of BalefulPolymorph.)
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:Having a SplitPersonality that killed his parents]] might seem weird, but then there's one thing to be clear about Aladdin here: He's a ConsummateLiar. He lies to the girl he knocked up, the princess, the Sultan, and all of the Magic Kingdom, [[spoiler:it wouldn't be far fetched for him to even lie to himself.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:Having [[spoiler:having a SplitPersonality that killed his parents]] might seem weird, but then there's one thing to be clear about Aladdin here: He's a ConsummateLiar. He lies to the girl he knocked up, the princess, the Sultan, and all of the Magic Kingdom, [[spoiler:it wouldn't be far fetched far-fetched for him to even lie to himself.]]himself]].
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella).]] However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]].]] This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway [[spoiler:than a peddler]], gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella).]] Cruella)]]. However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end end, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]].]] franchise]]]]. This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway [[spoiler:than a peddler]], gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people.]]people]].
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* There's a lot of RealityEnsues-style deconstruction of Jafar and the Sultan's conflict with Jasmine in the original movie -- for instance, the fact that wanting Jasmine to marry isn't just based on sexist assumptions about a woman's place or needing a husband to protect her, it's based on the fact that AltarDiplomacy is SeriousBusiness in this time period and Jasmine repeatedly snubbing other royals as beneath her is bound to cause diplomatic problems.
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* There's a lot of RealityEnsues-style SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome-style deconstruction of Jafar and the Sultan's conflict with Jasmine in the original movie -- for instance, the fact that wanting Jasmine to marry isn't just based on sexist assumptions about a woman's place or needing a husband to protect her, it's based on the fact that AltarDiplomacy is SeriousBusiness in this time period and Jasmine repeatedly snubbing other royals as beneath her is bound to cause diplomatic problems.
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* Hook giving out the cry of never knowing his father could nod to the fact that Captain Hook and George Darling were played by the same person in both the original play ''and'' its traditional Disney animated version.
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella).]] However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]].]] This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway than a peddler, gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella).]] However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]].]] This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway than [[spoiler:than a peddler, peddler]], gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella). However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]]. This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway than a peddler, gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella). ]] However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]]. franchise]].]] This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway than a peddler, gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told in [[spoiler:in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread.bread and possibly won't be able to tell his story to a lot of people.]]
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* Ja'far's part in "Happy Ending" is an {{Expy}} of "The Wizard and I" from Theatre/{{Wicked}}, which begins with Madame Morrible predicting Elphaba will become the Wizard's magic grand [[StealthPun vizier]].
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* Ja'far's part in "Happy Ending" is an {{Expy}} of "The Wizard and I" from Theatre/{{Wicked}}, which begins with Madame Morrible predicting Elphaba will become the Wizard's magic grand [[StealthPun vizier]].vizier]].
* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella). However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]]. This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway than a peddler, gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread.]]
* Aladdin [[spoiler:being the seller at the beginning of the film]] implied that Ja'far would be twisted as the villain of his history [[spoiler:just like the other villains (sans Cruella). However, [[spoiler:watching the merchant scene from the beginning of Aladdin, you notice that he only talks of the lamp out of desperation to keep the customer's interest when his previous wares weren't selling and doesn't even sell the lamp to the customer in the end [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse since he's never seen again until way later in the franchise]]. This, coupled with the person who ''does'' know the full story of Ja'far having far more reputation and sway than a peddler, gives a more hopeful outcome for Ja'far in that his villainy will only be told in the mad ramblings of a shopkeeper who only has 22 years to tell his side of the story before being killed over a loaf of bread.]]
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** Him splitting up Ja'far's final wish (to be an all powerful genie and freeing the Djinn in the process) solidifies this further, taking the credit for freeing the Djinn and making it seem more noble than the desperate HeroicSacrifice that Ja'far had.
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:Having a SplitPersonality that killed his parents]] might seem weird, but then there's one thing to be clear about Aladdin here: He's a ConsummateLiar. He lies to the girl he knocked up, the princess, the Sultan, and all of the magic kingdom, [[spoiler:it wouldn't be far fetched for him to even lie to himself.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:Having a SplitPersonality that killed his parents]] might seem weird, but then there's one thing to be clear about Aladdin here: He's a ConsummateLiar. He lies to the girl he knocked up, the princess, the Sultan, and all of the magic kingdom, Magic Kingdom, [[spoiler:it wouldn't be far fetched for him to even lie to himself.]]
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* Aladdin [[spoiler:Having a SplitPersonality that killed his parents]] might seem weird, but then there's one thing to be clear about Aladdin here: He's a ConsummateLiar. He lies to the girl he knocked up, the princess, the Sultan, and all of the magic kingdom, [[spoiler:it wouldn't be far fetched for him to even lie to himself.]]]]
* Ja'far's part in "Happy Ending" is an {{Expy}} of "The Wizard and I" from Theatre/{{Wicked}}, which begins with Madame Morrible predicting Elphaba will become the Wizard's magic grand [[StealthPun vizier]].
* Ja'far's part in "Happy Ending" is an {{Expy}} of "The Wizard and I" from Theatre/{{Wicked}}, which begins with Madame Morrible predicting Elphaba will become the Wizard's magic grand [[StealthPun vizier]].
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What? Sherrezade finds out she's pregnant before she even meets the Sultan.
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* Sherrezade [[DeathByChildbirth dying in childbirth]] doesn't just make sense as a reference to Disney's tendency to [[MissingMom kill off mother figures]] -- remember what Ja'far says when they find out she's pregnant? "Even when the doctors said it could not be so!" Sometimes, when a doctor says a woman can't have children, it's because she has a medical condition where even if, by some miracle, she ''does'' get pregnant, she shouldn't carry to term, because it could seriously harm her and/or cause her to have a stillbirth. [[spoiler:The second part didn't happen to Sherrezade, but the first...]] Although in this context, the doctors probably meant [[spoiler:the Sultan not having a functioning penis, as they must have been the ones doing the surgery on him]].]]
