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* [[Recap/TheMagicians2016S04E11The411 The 4-1-1]] has a past version of Alice tell a time-traveling Quentin that he is the best thing that has ever happened to her and that she doesn`t want to lose what they have. She later does a spell to erase what she knows but she may have retained some sense of what transpired -- which may explain why she acted distant to Quentin back in the second half of season one, after they slept together.
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** Actually entirely Jossed, after the reveal that Fogg [[spoiler: based the identities on a comic book, so the incongruities are just that the book couldn't reasonably be expected to have something perfect for everybody he used the potion on.]]
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* It was gruesome enough, back in season one, when [[spoiler: possessed-Mike killed a bunny.]] But then when later seasons roll around, the real horror kicks in: that was a [[spoiler: Fillorian bunny, of the talking, self-aware kind]], which just cranks the horror way up: did it know [[spoiler: that was the Beast? Was it scared?]]

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!!!Season 4
* [[spoiler: Julia's entrance into Brakebills as Kim seems familiar at first, especially her meeting Todd. Turns out to be a meta version of how Quentin arrived at Brakebills, with Todd standing in for Eliot.]]
* [[spoiler: The Monster spends most of his time with either Quentin or Margo, with Josh, Julia and Alice in only how they relate to the former two. Since he is inhabiting Eliot's body, it makes sense that he is focusing on the people closest to him. This also explains why he seems to be ignoring Kady and Penny.]]
* Since Marina 40 was killed by Reynard, Kady never got her revenge on her for the death of her mother. [[spoiler: With the appearance of Marina 23, however, Kady now has the chance to punish her for that act, which is exactly what she does.]]
* Thanks to [[Recap/TheMagicians2016S04E05EscapeFromTheHappyPlace Escape From The Happy Place]], [[spoiler: there is now a better understanding of why Eliot and Quentin never really revisited what they went through in the timeline where they lived a life together: Quentin wanted to pursue things further but Eliot shut him down due to fear, even though he loves Quentin. It also explains why Eliot tried to kill the Monster in order to save Quentin.]]
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* In the first season, The Beast, at one point, possessed a man that was dating Eliot at the time. That means that at some point, Eliot may have been raped by the Beast!

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** [[spoiler: Kady wasn't a drug dealer, she was undecover cop posing as one]].



* [[spoiler: Marina-23 may have made a big mistake coming to the main universe. After all, Marina had a crapload of enemies before she died. What if one of them come after her?]]

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** [[spoiler: Yes, possession was a revenge, though it didn't connect the dots about saving part]].
* [[spoiler: Marina-23 may have made a big mistake coming to the main universe. After all, Marina had a crapload of enemies before she died. What if one of them come after her?]]her?]]
** She had them in every timeline, being such a bitch, and was able to defend herself, [[spoiler: it takes immensely powerful BadLuckCharm to catch her off-guard.]]
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** Ember says, he knew about his circumstances and barred him entrance, seeing him as "defiled", which actually lead him to becoming the Beast.

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** Ember says, he knew about his circumstances and barred him entrance, seeing him as "defiled", which actually lead him to becoming the Beast. [[spoiler:Apparently Ember just found the situation distasteful and didn't want Martin ruining the mood]].



* In season two, a point is made about Marina being all alone, with no one to help her. One wonders where her group of followers went, until you remember that Marina killed Kady's mother. That action probably caused everyone, even Pete, to pull a ScrewThisImOuttaHere on her. That would explain her apology to Julia at the rehab center and later helping her: she was lonely.
* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare. However, they both have a tendency to go for extreme revenge: [[spoiler: Julia helped Marina put Quentin in a coma after he refused to help get her into Brakebills, and Margo declared war on Loria for what amounted to a bad prank.]]

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* In season two, a point is made about Marina being all alone, with no one to help her. One wonders where her group of followers went, until you remember that Marina killed Kady's mother. That action probably caused everyone, even Pete, to pull a ScrewThisImOuttaHere on her. That would explain her apology to Julia at the rehab center and later helping her: she She was lonely.
* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she She is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare. However, they both have a tendency to go for extreme revenge: [[spoiler: Julia helped Marina put Quentin in a coma after he refused to help get her into Brakebills, and Margo declared war on Loria for what amounted to a bad prank.]]

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!!!Season 1



* In the first episode, Dean Fogg snaps at Quentin and yells "DO SOME GODDAMN MAGIC!" It seems extremely out of character for him, considering that he is always calm and composed in even the worst situations. But then we find out about the [[spoiler:time loop; this is the ''fortieth'' time he has seen Quentin awkwardly play with his cards during the test, so he's sick of it]].



!!!Season 2



* In the first episode, Dean Fogg snaps at Quentin and yells "DO SOME GODDAMN MAGIC!" It seems extremely out of character for him, considering that he is always calm and composed in even the worst situations. But then we find out about the [[spoiler:time loop; this is the ''fortieth'' time he has seen Quentin awkwardly play with his cards during the test, so he's sick of it]].


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!!!Season 3
* In [[Recap/TheMagicians2016S03E10TheArtOfTheDeal The Art of the Deal]], why is it so significant that Penny eats the cupcake at the end of the episode? Because this is a loose reference to Persephone, who ate six sacred pomegranate seeds in the underworld and was then tied to it forever. Penny eating the cupcake is him deciding to stay in the underworld.
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* [[spoiler: Marina-23 may have made a big mistake coming to the main universe. After all, Marina had a crapload of enemies before she died. What if one of them come after her?

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* [[spoiler: Marina-23 may have made a big mistake coming to the main universe. After all, Marina had a crapload of enemies before she died. What if one of them come after her?her?]]
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* What if [[spoiler: the creature that was supposed to stay in the castle possessed Eliot as revenge for shooting him in order to save Quentin?]]

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* What if [[spoiler: the creature that was supposed to stay in the castle possessed Eliot as revenge for shooting him in order to save Quentin?]]Quentin?]]
* [[spoiler: Marina-23 may have made a big mistake coming to the main universe. After all, Marina had a crapload of enemies before she died. What if one of them come after her?
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** What if [[spoiler: the creature that was supposed to stay in the castle possessed Eliot as revenge for shooting him in order to save Quentin?]]

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** * What if [[spoiler: the creature that was supposed to stay in the castle possessed Eliot as revenge for shooting him in order to save Quentin?]]
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* Considering his role as the BigBad in season two, one has to wonder if Ember knew what would happen when [[spoiler: he gave Julia back her memories involving her rape and the deaths of her friends at the hands of Reynard...]]

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* Considering his role as the BigBad in season two, one has to wonder if Ember knew what would happen when [[spoiler: he gave Julia back her memories involving her rape and the deaths of her friends at the hands of Reynard...]]]]
** What if [[spoiler: the creature that was supposed to stay in the castle possessed Eliot as revenge for shooting him in order to save Quentin?]]
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* At the end of season 3, some of [[spoiler: the Physical Kids' new personas]] make ''way'' more sense than others, which seem to be kind of random. But then you remember that the ''Dean'' constructed them--so it's all based on how well he knows them, which is why Quentin's and Margo's are more intuitive than Kady's or Josh's. [[spoiler: For example, why make Kady a drug dealer? Most of what he knows about her, probably, is that she's a hedgewitch, and to the Dean of Brakebills, the hedges basically are dealers. Chaplain Richard even explicitly compared the two to Julia.]]
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* Why was Alice so excited about the bank robbery? Because she knew Quentin and co would almost certainly screw it up and she could leverage their lives for her freedom.
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** Ember says, he knew about his circumstances and barred him entrance, seeing him as "defiled", which actually lead him to becoming the Beast.
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* In the first episode, Dean Fogg snaps at Quentin and yells "DO SOME GODDAMN MAGIC!" It seems extremely out of character for him, considering that he is always calm and composed in even the worst situations. But then we find out about the [[spoiler:time loop; this is the ''fortieth'' time he has seen Quentin awkwardly play with his cards during the test, so he's sick of it]].

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* In the first episode, Dean Fogg snaps at Quentin and yells "DO SOME GODDAMN MAGIC!" It seems extremely out of character for him, considering that he is always calm and composed in even the worst situations. But then we find out about the [[spoiler:time loop; this is the ''fortieth'' time he has seen Quentin awkwardly play with his cards during the test, so he's sick of it]].it]].

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* Considering his role as the BigBad in season two, one has to wonder if Ember knew what would happen when [[spoiler: he gave Julia back her memories involving her rape and the deaths of her friends at the hands of Reynard...]]
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* In the Underworld orientation video, the speaker is some apparently random old guy sitting in a comfortable chair in front of a fire, petting his big fluffy dog. That's Hades and Cerberus.

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* In the Underworld orientation video, the speaker is some apparently random old guy sitting in a comfortable chair in front of a fire, petting his big fluffy dog. That's Hades and Cerberus.Cerberus.
* In the first episode, Dean Fogg snaps at Quentin and yells "DO SOME GODDAMN MAGIC!" It seems extremely out of character for him, considering that he is always calm and composed in even the worst situations. But then we find out about the [[spoiler:time loop; this is the ''fortieth'' time he has seen Quentin awkwardly play with his cards during the test, so he's sick of it]].
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* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare. However, they both have a tendency to go for extreme revenge: [[spoiler: Julia helped Marina put Quentin in a coma after he refused to help get her into Brakebills, and Margo declared war on Loria for what amounted to a bad prank.]]

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* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare. However, they both have a tendency to go for extreme revenge: [[spoiler: Julia helped Marina put Quentin in a coma after he refused to help get her into Brakebills, and Margo declared war on Loria for what amounted to a bad prank.]]]]
* In the Underworld orientation video, the speaker is some apparently random old guy sitting in a comfortable chair in front of a fire, petting his big fluffy dog. That's Hades and Cerberus.
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* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare.

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* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare. However, they both have a tendency to go for extreme revenge: [[spoiler: Julia helped Marina put Quentin in a coma after he refused to help get her into Brakebills, and Margo declared war on Loria for what amounted to a bad prank.]]
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* In season two, a point is made about Marina being all alone, with no one to help her. One wonders where her group of followers went, until you remember that Marina killed Kady's mother. That action probably caused everyone, even Pete, to pull a ScrewThisImOuttaHere on her. That would explain her apology to Julia at the rehab center and later helping her: she was lonely.

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* In season two, a point is made about Marina being all alone, with no one to help her. One wonders where her group of followers went, until you remember that Marina killed Kady's mother. That action probably caused everyone, even Pete, to pull a ScrewThisImOuttaHere on her. That would explain her apology to Julia at the rehab center and later helping her: she was lonely.lonely.
* Julia is pretty close with Kady. After all, they have both betrayed people they care about (Quentin and Penny), both left Brakebills in bad ways due to their connections with the hedge witches and both were screwed over by Marina. Also, Kady is a mirror to Julia: she is what would have happened if Julia was unlucky enough to have no one to truly take care of her for most of her life (Kady was basically sold into slavery). Julia, on the other hand, is what would have happened if Kady was allowed to have a relatively normal life, even though Julia dealt with emotional neglect most of her life. Meanwhile, Julia and Margo hate each other for that very reason: Julia is Margo with a larger sense of entitlement and a tendency to make decisions that hurt others, and Margo is Julia without the massive trauma weighing her down and has the ability to consider her friends' welfare.
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* The Beast being [[spoiler: Martin Chatwin]] makes sense once you think about it. Of all the children, he was the one Fillory rejected after a while. Maybe, since time works differently in Fillory, [[spoiler: the land sensed what he would become]].

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* The Beast being [[spoiler: Martin Chatwin]] makes sense once you think about it. Of all the children, he was the one Fillory rejected after a while. Maybe, since time works differently in Fillory, [[spoiler: the land sensed what he would become]].become]].
* In season two, a point is made about Marina being all alone, with no one to help her. One wonders where her group of followers went, until you remember that Marina killed Kady's mother. That action probably caused everyone, even Pete, to pull a ScrewThisImOuttaHere on her. That would explain her apology to Julia at the rehab center and later helping her: she was lonely.
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** Elliot is a sex-crazed hedonist inmate who will do anything for some drugs.

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** Elliot Eliot is a sex-crazed hedonist inmate who will do anything for some drugs.
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* Penny's hatred of Quentin comes from the fact that he can always read Quentin's thoughts. However, that could go deeper than that: Even though he suffers from depression,Quentin seems to be more of an open person in general than Penny, who is guarded around everyone else due to his abilities(with the exception of Kady). Being around someone who is able to connect better to others can be irritating to someone who basically has to protect himself all the time.

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* Penny's hatred of Quentin comes from the fact that he can always read Quentin's thoughts. However, that could go deeper than that: Even even though he suffers from depression,Quentin depression, Quentin seems to be more of an open person in general than Penny, who is guarded around everyone else due to his abilities(with abilities (with the exception of Kady). Being around someone who is able to connect better to others can be irritating to someone who basically has to protect himself all the time.



** Julia is exactly like she was before she found out about magic; happy and well-adjusted at Yale while engaged. [[spoiler:Of course, since this is the real Julia, she probably chose to appear that way, and it doesn't say much about Quentin]].

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** Julia is exactly like she was before she found out about magic; happy and well-adjusted at Yale while engaged. [[spoiler:Of Of course, since [[spoiler:since this is the real Julia, she probably chose to appear that way, and it doesn't say much about Quentin]].



* The Beast being [[spoiler: Martin Chatwin]] makes sense once you think about it. Of all the children, he was the one Fillory rejected after a while. Maybe, since time works differently in Fillory, [[spoiler: the land sensed what he would become.]]

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* The Beast being [[spoiler: Martin Chatwin]] makes sense once you think about it. Of all the children, he was the one Fillory rejected after a while. Maybe, since time works differently in Fillory, [[spoiler: the land sensed what he would become.]]become]].
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** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin used the psychologist from the first episode to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put the Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has his office.

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** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin used the psychologist from the first episode to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put the Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has his office.office.
* The Beast being [[spoiler: Martin Chatwin]] makes sense once you think about it. Of all the children, he was the one Fillory rejected after a while. Maybe, since time works differently in Fillory, [[spoiler: the land sensed what he would become.]]
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* Penny's hatred of Quentin comes from the fact that he can always read Quentin's thoughts. However, that could go deeper than that: Even though he suffers from depression,Quentin seems to be more of an open person in general than Penny, who is guarded around everyone else due to his abilities(with the exception of Kady). Being around someone who is able to connect better to others can be irritating to someone who basically has to protect himself all the time.
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** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin had to invent an entirely new character to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put the Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has his office.

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** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin had to invent an entirely new character used the psychologist from the first episode to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put the Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has his office.
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* Pete's assault on Julia and the strong sexual assault implications before backing down seem to come from nowhere. Then you realize that magic comes from pain and his actions resulted in Julia's 'party trick' becoming genuinely dangerous. It was likely he was trying to get Julia to demonstrate her powers by engaging in a fight-or-flight response.
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** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin had to invent an entirely new character to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has Dean's office.

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** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin had to invent an entirely new character to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put the Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has Dean's his office.
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* Quentin's nightmare of the mental hospital says a lot about how he sees everyone.
** Penny is an exotic, jerkish, annoyingly competent not-quite authority figure who always seems to cause problems for him.
** Elliot is a sex-crazed hedonist inmate who will do anything for some drugs.
** Alice is obsessed with something that seems crazy. Oh, and she's a nympho who jumps Quentin's bones every chance she gets (don't need to be Freud to figure out the symbolism of ''that'').
** Julia is exactly like she was before she found out about magic; happy and well-adjusted at Yale while engaged. [[spoiler:Of course, since this is the real Julia, she probably chose to appear that way, and it doesn't say much about Quentin]].
** Dean Fogg is a well-meaning doctor who nevertheless isn't very helpful. Most importantly is probably the fact that Quentin had to invent an entirely new character to fill the "evil doctor" role, when it would have been simpler to put Dean into that role. The evil doctor even has Dean's office.

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