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* Neither the book nor the film elaborates why Kate spared Stanley Yelnats I. It's established that she killed all the men she robbed and kissed them to boot. There are a lot of possibilities:

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* Neither the book nor the film elaborates why Kate spared Stanley Yelnats I. It's established that she killed all the men she robbed and kissed them to boot. There are a lot of possibilities: explanations:



** As the son of an immigrant, Stanley Yelntats I may have had to overcome discrimination, which might have reminded Kate of Sam. While she took his loot, she wasn't going to kill another soul.
** After seeing Trout reduced to a pauper, she found it to be better revenge to basically curse him to spend the rest of his miserable existence digging for loot. Perhaps she left Stanley I alive for a very vindictive reason: she saw him as just another rich jerk, and [[FateWorseThanDeath there is no worse fate for a rich person than to be left and poor and destitute]].
** Kate, whether as an outlaw or as a teacher, was always a good judge of character. She knew Sam was a good man and that Trout was trash. The first person she killed, the crooked sheriff who let Sam get lynched, was definitely a horrible man who had it coming. It is likely the people she killed were like the sheriff: corrupt assholes who needed a bullet in the brain. The reason she spares Stanley I is because she senses that he is a good guy. Perhaps she deliberately left him where he could find God's Thumb.

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** As the son of an Eastern European immigrant, Stanley Yelntats I may have had to overcome discrimination, which might have reminded Kate of Sam. While she took his loot, she wasn't going to kill discrimination. Kate, sympathizing with Sam's racial murder, would probably pity another soul.
soul who has been pushed around for his background.
** After seeing Trout reduced to a pauper, she found it to be better revenge to basically curse him to spend the rest of his miserable existence digging for loot. loot instead of kissing and killing him. Perhaps she left Stanley I alive for a very vindictive that reason: she saw him as just another her hatred of Trout left her with a deep hatred for rich jerk, men, and [[FateWorseThanDeath there is no worse fate for a rich person than to be left and poor and destitute]].
destitute]]. [[CruelMercy Kate's mercy was pure vindictiveness]].
** Kate, whether as an outlaw or as a teacher, was always a good judge of character. She knew Sam was a good man and that Trout was trash. The first person she killed, the crooked sheriff who let Sam get lynched, was definitely a horrible man who had it coming. It is likely the people she killed were like the sheriff: [[AssholeVictim corrupt assholes who needed a bullet in the brain.brain]]. The reason she spares Stanley I is because she senses that he is a good guy. Perhaps she deliberately left him where he could find God's Thumb.



* Something that this troper finally noticed about Kate's "Still want that kiss?" scene. She was a Teacher, and female teachers in her time were required to be single. A scandal like being seen with Sam would definitely have cost her her job. That coupled with the fact that she appears in bright red, with bright red lipstick on (a very provocative thing to wear at that time, bold makeup was generally how one identified prostitutes) and the way she teases the Sheriff when taking off the bonnet. The Sheriff thought the pretty teacher that everyone was after, was desperate for cash after losing her job, and was offering more than just a kiss.

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* Something that this troper finally noticed about Kate's "Still want that kiss?" scene. She was a Teacher, and female teachers in her time were required to be single. A scandal like being seen with Sam would definitely have cost her her job.a job and any chances of employment. That coupled with the fact that she appears in bright red, with bright red lipstick on (a very provocative thing to wear at that time, bold makeup was generally how one identified prostitutes) and the way she teases the Sheriff when taking off the bonnet. The Sheriff thought the pretty teacher that everyone was after, was desperate for cash after losing her job, and was offering more than just a kiss.



* Stanley and the Warden's lives parallel one another: both of them suffer under a curse brought on them by an ancestor. Both of them live hardscrabble lives. Both of them didn't have the best childhoods. The key difference between them is their upbringing and the choices they made.
** Elya's story somewhat parallels Trout Walker's: both of them had their eye for a local young maiden. But whereas Elya let go of his obsession after seeing they weren't a match for one another, Trout's obsession consumed and drove him to commit a horrible murder that cursed him to poverty.
** Stanley I's story also parallels Trout in another way: both of them were wealthy people who went broke: Walker lost his fortune when the lake dried up, while Stanley I lost his wealth at the hands of Kissing Kate. But while Stanley I moved on from his loss, Walker wasted his life in the desert miserably digging holes.

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* Stanley The Yelnats family and the Warden's lives Walker family both have parallel one another: experiences: both of them suffer under a curse brought on them by an ancestor. Both of them live hardscrabble lives. Both of them didn't have the best childhoods. The key difference between them is their upbringing and the choices they made.
** Elya's story somewhat parallels Trout Walker's: both of them had their eye for on a local young maiden. But whereas Both of them committed an act that cursed them: Elya let go taking one of Madame Zeroni's pigs and not coming back for her and Trout Walker straight up lynching a man and destroying his crush's school. However, Elya moved on from his obsession after seeing they weren't a match for one another, Trout's obsession consumed and drove him found true love, while Trout didn't and ended up married to commit a horrible murder that cursed him to poverty.woman who only wanted his money.
** Stanley I's story also parallels Trout in another way: both of them were wealthy people who went broke: Walker lost his fortune when the lake dried up, while Stanley I lost his wealth at the hands of Kissing Kate. But while Stanley I moved on from his loss, Walker wasted his life in the desert miserably digging holes.holes to recover the loot.



** Stanley starts out as a timid kid who lets other people push him around, but eventually he toughens up (in the book he goes from fat to thin) and is willing to run into the desert to save his friend. The Warden, like her grandfather, never let go of her obsession and mistreated Stanley and others. Had she been willing to let go, she wouldn't have turned into such a rotten person.

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** Stanley starts out as a timid kid who lets other people push him around, but eventually he toughens up (in the book he goes from fat to thin) and is willing to run into the desert to save his friend. The Warden, like her grandfather, Warden never let go of her obsession and became a cruel taskmaster who mistreated Stanley and others. her charges. Had she the Warden been willing to let go, she wouldn't have turned into such a rotten person.
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* Considering how easily [[spoiler: the camp employees were willing to let Stanley and Zero die at the hands of some deadly lizards, and came very close to shooting the kids themselves]], how many other kids [[spoiler: have they allowed to die or straight-up murdered]]. Adding to that, Pendanski was able to hack into the state's records and erase Zero's records. Of course, he was only able to do this since Zero didn't have any family members, but how many others kids did they erase from the state's records? It would be a nightmare to have [[AdultFear these adults]] having unsupervised jurisdiction over children.

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* Considering how easily [[spoiler: the camp employees were willing to let Stanley and Zero die at the hands of some deadly lizards, and came very close to shooting the kids themselves]], how many other kids [[spoiler: have they allowed to die or straight-up murdered]]. Adding to that, Pendanski was able to hack into the state's records and erase Zero's records. Of course, he was only able to do this since Zero didn't have any family members, but how many others kids did they erase from the state's records? It would be a nightmare to have [[AdultFear these adults]] adults having unsupervised jurisdiction over children.
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** While the inmates at Camp Green Lake aren't the worst kids in the world, none of them have grown into upstanding members of society after digging holes for months. They still pull scams on Stanley, like taking his bread and conning him out of a day off.

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** While the inmates at Camp Green Lake aren't the worst kids in the world, none of them have grown into upstanding members of society after digging holes for months. They still pull scams on Stanley, like taking his bread and conning him out of a day off. Although ''Small Steps'' does seem to suggest that it's possible for at least some of them to get to better lives, but that doesn't mean Camp Green Lake gets credit for those.
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** Conversely, it's also possible that he realizes, or at least suspects, that Hector's presence has something to do with the family finally breaking the curse, and his happiness at sharing is gratitude that they have it at all.
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*** It's not necessarily a curse. They've been through some pretty awful years, but it probably all comes down to one incident (whatever happened to make them homeless). What makes Stanley's family different isn't just hard times (a lot of families have bad things happen to them, after all), it's the sheer number of [[CoincidenceMagnet otherwise unrelated bad things]] that keep happening to them.

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*** It's not Having a hard life doesn't necessarily mean they're under a curse. They've In the case of the Zeronis, they've been through some pretty awful years, but it probably it's all comes down to one incident (whatever happened to make them homeless). the result of a single cause -- homelessness and general poverty. What makes Stanley's family different isn't just that they've been through hard times (a lot of families have bad things happen to them, after all), times, it's the sheer number of [[CoincidenceMagnet ''[[CoincidenceMagnet otherwise unrelated bad things]] things]]'' that keep happening to them.
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* Hector being a much better hole digger than the other campers, and especially Stanley, makes a good deal of sense: Stanley is a somewhat sheltered kid, and in the book, he suffers from severe weight problems. Hector has lived a pretty hardscrabble life and is relatively thin, meaning he can dig more easily.
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* Had it not been for the curse, Elya might have actually married Kate. Elya was looking for a smart, intelligent woman to marry. Kate wanted a smart, resourceful, and intelligent guy as her significant other, and Elya seemed to meet that criterion. Of course, this love story could've also ended horribly: Trout was just an obsessive jerk, and probably would've killed ''anyone'' who fancied Kate. Heck, he might've resented Elya for being an immigrant from a foreign land, which wasn't that uncommon of a prejudice in the early 20th century.
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** And when does it start raining again? When Trout Walker's family is brought to justice.
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* In the movie, Stanley's grandfather seems magnanimous enough to share the family fortune with Hector. But considering the emphasis he puts on the name "Zeroni" it is possible he's only sharing the money because he realizes Hector is Madame Zeroni's descendant and he doesn't want the curse to come back.
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* Both Madame Zeroni and Hector Zeroni had one thing in common: they were outcasts in the places they lived. Madame Zeroni was thought of by the villagers as an evil nutcase, while Hector was treated by Camp Green Lake as a useless moron. Their only friend in the world was a member of the Yelnats family. Zeroni's curse on Elya was not DisproportionateRetribution: she was hurt that her only friend in the world forgot about her and didn't pay her end of the bargain. The good fortune that follows Stanley after he helps Hector up the mountain isn't just Stanley fulfilling his ancestor's debt: Madame Zeroni's ghost is moved by this young man showing her misfit descendant the kindness she never got to have in life.
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** The court was aware of the vacancy at Camp Green Lake, hence why Stanley was offered the chance to go there. They probably would've been aware if Barf Bag actually died or not.
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* Had it not been for the curse, Elya might have actually married Kate. Elya was looking for a smart, intelligent woman to marry. Kate wanted a smart, resourceful, and intelligent guy as her significant other, and Elya seemed to meet that criterion. Of course, this love story could've also ended horribly: Trout was just an obsessive jerk, and probably would've killed ''anyone'' who fancied Kate. Heck, he might've resented Elya for being an immigrant from a foreign land, which wasn't that uncommon of a prejudice in the early 20th century.



* Myra being unable to choose between Elya and Igor may not necessarily just be due to her being dimwitted, but her being raised in a society where women don't have the luxury of choosing who to marry so when presented with such an opportunity she doesn't even know how to comprehend such a choice.

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* Myra being unable to choose between Elya and Igor may not necessarily just be due to her being dimwitted, but her being raised in a society where women don't have the luxury of choosing who to marry so when presented with such an opportunity she doesn't even know how to comprehend such a choice. The fact that she is ''surprised'' to see her father letting her make the decision implies that Morris Menke just never let her make any serious decisions in her life. Myra isn't really dumb, so much she is emotionally stunted and dependent due to her sexist and overprotective father.
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** Elya's story somewhat parallels Trout Walker's: both of them had their eye for a local young maiden. But whereas Elya let go of his obsession after seeing they weren't a match for one another, Trout's obsession consumed and drove him to commit a horrible murder that cursed him to poverty.
** Stanley I's story also parallels Trout in another way: both of them were wealthy people who went broke: Walker lost his fortune when the lake dried up, while Stanley I lost his wealth at the hands of Kissing Kate. But while Stanley I moved on from his loss, Walker wasted his life in the desert miserably digging holes.
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** Stanley starts out as a timid kid who lets other people push him around, but eventually he toughens up (in the book he goes from fat to thin) and is willing to run into the desert to save his friend. The Warden, like her granddaughter, never let go of her obsession and mistreated Stanley and others. Had she been willing to let go, she wouldn't have turned into such a rotten person.

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** Stanley starts out as a timid kid who lets other people push him around, but eventually he toughens up (in the book he goes from fat to thin) and is willing to run into the desert to save his friend. The Warden, like her granddaughter, grandfather, never let go of her obsession and mistreated Stanley and others. Had she been willing to let go, she wouldn't have turned into such a rotten person.

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* In a way, Sam got posthumous revenge on the Walker family: his onions are what save Stanley and Hector from being bitten by the lizards, which foils the Warden's plan to allow the boys to die by lizard.



** The juveniles at Camp Green Lake aren't there for crimes that are ''that'' serious: Stanley was convicted of stealing a pair of shoes while another let animals out of the zoo. These crimes warrant some kind of punishment. But wasting away in the desert is a bit excessive.

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** The Some of the juveniles at Camp Green Lake aren't there for crimes that are ''that'' serious: Stanley was convicted of stealing a pair of shoes while another let animals out of the zoo. These crimes warrant some kind of punishment. But wasting away in the desert is a bit excessive.

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* Camp Green Lake embodies a lot of the problems of America's prison system: corrupt officials, substandard conditions, and bad food. But in general, it is a huge swipe at retributive justice.
** While the inmates at Camp Green Lake aren't the worst kids in the world, none of them have grown into upstanding members of society after digging holes for months. They still pull scams on Stanley, like taking his bread and conning him out of a day off.
** The juveniles at Camp Green Lake aren't there for crimes that are ''that'' serious: Stanley was convicted of stealing a pair of shoes while another let animals out of the zoo. These crimes warrant some kind of punishment. But wasting away in the desert is a bit excessive.
** Some of the inmates also have mental health issues, like the kid who is paranoid or the kid obsessed with stealing cars. Those two might have done better with counseling.
** The treatment of Zero by everybody is the biggest red flag of all. Everyone treats Hector like some social deviant who will never amount to anything. But when Stanley tries to help Hector out by giving him reading lessons, he is disciplined. If Pendanski was actually a good counselor, he'd be happy Hector was getting an education.
*** Camp Green Lake's methods are proof that brutalizing juvenile delinquents doesn't help them in the long run.



** The Girl Scouts are an organization that empowers girls and instills in them things like civic pride, independence, and the outdoors. Trout was a misogynist [[EntitledToHaveYou who treated Kate very possessively]], even burning down her school when she kissed a black man over him. Kate's ghost would probably be thrilled to see her former foe's land turned into an organization that empowers young girls.

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** The Girl Scouts are an organization that empowers girls and instills in them things like civic pride, independence, and the outdoors. Trout was a misogynist [[EntitledToHaveYou who treated Kate very possessively]], even burning down her school when she kissed a black man over him. Kate's ghost would probably be thrilled ''thrilled'' to see her former foe's land turned into over to an organization that empowers young girls.



* The Warden did grow up to become her grandfather in a lot of ways: Trout was a rich asshole who enjoyed luxury, looked down on others, and hurt people to get what he wanted. While the Warden isn't ''fabulously'' wealthy, her life is still pretty cushy and comfortable, compared to the other campers. She basically behaves like a cruel slave owner, mistreating the children under her care while enjoying luxury, not too dissimilar to how her grandfather treated her.

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* The Warden did grow up to become her grandfather in a lot of ways: Trout was a rich asshole who enjoyed luxury, looked down on others, and hurt people to get what he wanted. While the Warden isn't ''fabulously'' wealthy, her life is still she has a pretty cushy and comfortable, [=OK=] life compared to the other campers. campers: a steady paycheck from the government using her land, a decent house, and some luxuries. She basically behaves like a cruel slave owner, mistreating the children under her care while enjoying luxury, a cushy existence, not too dissimilar to how her grandfather treated her.her. Like Trout, the Warden never learned to appreciate what she had and was instead consumed by obsession and greed.



** Considering Linda's age, how ''old'' was she when Trout got engaged? Since Trout wouldn't marry Kate, did he decide to groom one of her students out of some twisted kind of spite?
** Why would one of Kate's former students be so willing to hold her favorite teacher at gunpoint. Considering the racism of the time, it is sad to think that Linda also turned on her teacher for the [[SarcasmMode horrible act of kissing a black man]]. Like the adults, Linda was consumed by the town's poisonous racism.
** Linda was described as a good student, so why would she stoop so low as to marry Trout? Considering how a mob burned the school down, it is likely another school never opened up. Linda Miller never got the education that would allow her to become independent. For a misogynistic asshole like Walker, that suited him just fine.

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** Considering Linda's age, how ''old'' was she when Trout got engaged? tied the knot? Since Trout Kate wouldn't marry Kate, Trout, did he decide to groom one of her students out of some twisted kind of spite?
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** Why would one of Kate's former students be so willing to hold her favorite teacher at gunpoint. gunpoint? Considering the racism of the time, it is sad to think that Linda also turned on her teacher for the [[SarcasmMode horrible act of kissing a black man]]. Like the adults, Linda was consumed by the town's poisonous racism.
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** Linda was described as a good student, so why would she stoop so low as to marry Trout? Considering how a mob burned the school down, it is likely another school never opened up. Linda Miller never got the education that would allow her to become independent. For a misogynistic asshole like Walker, that suited him just fine.fine.
* Considering how easily [[spoiler: the camp employees were willing to let Stanley and Zero die at the hands of some deadly lizards, and came very close to shooting the kids themselves]], how many other kids [[spoiler: have they allowed to die or straight-up murdered]]. Adding to that, Pendanski was able to hack into the state's records and erase Zero's records. Of course, he was only able to do this since Zero didn't have any family members, but how many others kids did they erase from the state's records? It would be a nightmare to have [[AdultFear these adults]] having unsupervised jurisdiction over children.
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* The Warden did grow up to become her grandfather in a lot of ways: Trout was a rich asshole who enjoyed luxury, looked down on others, and hurt people to get what he wanted. While the Warden isn't ''fabulously'' wealthy, her life is still pretty cushy and comfortable, compared to the other campers. She basically behaves like a cruel slave owner, mistreating the children under her care while enjoying luxury, not too dissimilar to how her grandfather treated her.
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* Camp Green Lake becoming a Girl Scout Camp seems like a swipe at Mr. Sir, but it is also a good form of poetic justice for the Walker family and their rotten legacy.
** The Girl Scouts are an organization that empowers girls and instills in them things like civic pride, independence, and the outdoors. Trout was a misogynist [[EntitledToHaveYou who treated Kate very possessively]], even burning down her school when she kissed a black man over him. Kate's ghost would probably be thrilled to see her former foe's land turned into an organization that empowers young girls.
** The Warden's ostensible reason for forcing her charges to dig holes was about "building character". Most researchers know that punitive sentencing doesn't help criminals, and in fact, turns them into better criminals. In reality, she wanted to find treasure. And the Warden herself is the furthest thing from someone with character: she's a spiteful and angry person who refuses to let go of her childhood obsession and perpetuates a cycle of abuse. Girl Scout Camps have actual policies and values that encourage growth: teamwork, tenacity, and accomplishment.
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** Why would one of Kate's former students be so willing to hold her favorite teacher at gunpoint. Considering the racism of the time, it is sad to think that Linda also turned on her teacher for the [[SarcasmMode horrible act of kissing a black man]]. Like all of the town, Linda was consumed by the town's poisonous racism.

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** Why would one of Kate's former students be so willing to hold her favorite teacher at gunpoint. Considering the racism of the time, it is sad to think that Linda also turned on her teacher for the [[SarcasmMode horrible act of kissing a black man]]. Like all of the town, adults, Linda was consumed by the town's poisonous racism.
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* While Madame Zeroni cursing Elya may have been harsh, it is understandable why she would be so angry: in the book especially, she is described as too infirm to be able to walk about the mountain herself and get water. And it is implied Elya is the only person in the village who treated her with respect, so him ditching her would leave her in a pretty horrible position to say the least.

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* While Madame Zeroni cursing Elya may have been harsh, it is understandable why she would be so angry: in the book especially, she is described as too infirm to be able to walk about the mountain herself and get water. And it is implied Elya is the only person in the village who treated her with respect, so him ditching her would leave her in a pretty horrible position to say the least.least.
* Linda Miller, one of Kate's former students, becoming Trout's wife has quite a few horrifying implications.
** Considering Linda's age, how ''old'' was she when Trout got engaged? Since Trout wouldn't marry Kate, did he decide to groom one of her students out of some twisted kind of spite?
** Why would one of Kate's former students be so willing to hold her favorite teacher at gunpoint. Considering the racism of the time, it is sad to think that Linda also turned on her teacher for the [[SarcasmMode horrible act of kissing a black man]]. Like all of the town, Linda was consumed by the town's poisonous racism.
** Linda was described as a good student, so why would she stoop so low as to marry Trout? Considering how a mob burned the school down, it is likely another school never opened up. Linda Miller never got the education that would allow her to become independent. For a misogynistic asshole like Walker, that suited him just fine.

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** After seeing Trout reduced to a pauper, she found it to be better revenge to basically curse him to spend the rest of his miserable existence digging for loot. Perhaps this is why she left Yelnats alive: she saw him as just another rich jerk, and there is no worse fate for a rich person than to be left and poor and destitute.

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** After seeing Trout reduced to a pauper, she found it to be better revenge to basically curse him to spend the rest of his miserable existence digging for loot. Perhaps this is why she left Yelnats alive: Stanley I alive for a very vindictive reason: she saw him as just another rich jerk, and [[FateWorseThanDeath there is no worse fate for a rich person than to be left and poor and destitute. destitute]].
** Kate, whether as an outlaw or as a teacher, was always a good judge of character. She knew Sam was a good man and that Trout was trash. The first person she killed, the crooked sheriff who let Sam get lynched, was definitely a horrible man who had it coming. It is likely the people she killed were like the sheriff: corrupt assholes who needed a bullet in the brain. The reason she spares Stanley I is because she senses that he is a good guy. Perhaps she deliberately left him where he could find God's Thumb.

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\n* Stanley and the Warden's lives parallel one another: both of them suffer under a curse brought on them by an ancestor. Both of them live hardscrabble lives. Both of them didn't have the best childhoods. The key difference between them is their upbringing and the choices they made.
** While each of the Yelnats was cursed, they were still decent people: Elya was a good kid who eventually found a smart intelligent woman. Stanley I was (probably) spared by Kate because she sensed he was a good person. Both Stanley II and Stanley III are decent guardians to Stanley IV. Trout, meanwhile, was a ''rotten'' human being who forced his granddaughter to dig on Christmas. It is no wonder she turned out so vindictive.
** Stanley starts out as a timid kid who lets other people push him around, but eventually he toughens up (in the book he goes from fat to thin) and is willing to run into the desert to save his friend. The Warden, like her granddaughter, never let go of her obsession and mistreated Stanley and others. Had she been willing to let go, she wouldn't have turned into such a rotten person.
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** Adding on to this, the book doesn't go into much detail about the situation, but the movie confirms that Zero's mom was looking for him too. Given that theft sentences aren't usually all that long, it's entirely possible that she was released well before Zero went to Camp Green Lake, but it had been long enough that he was no longer staying where she left him, so she didn't know how to find him.

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** Adding on to this, the book doesn't go into much detail about the situation, but the movie confirms that Zero's mom was looking for him too. Given that theft sentences aren't usually all that long, it's entirely possible that she was released well before Zero went to Camp Green Lake, but it had been long enough that he was no longer staying where she left him, so she didn't know how to find him.him.
* While Madame Zeroni cursing Elya may have been harsh, it is understandable why she would be so angry: in the book especially, she is described as too infirm to be able to walk about the mountain herself and get water. And it is implied Elya is the only person in the village who treated her with respect, so him ditching her would leave her in a pretty horrible position to say the least.

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* Neither the book nor the film elaborates why Kate spared Stanley Yelnats I. It's established that she killed all the men she robbed and kissed them to boot. Then we remember something: all of the Yelnats are cursed, and Stanley I was Elya's only son. If he were fatally shot, the curse wouldn't pass onto the rest of the Yelnats.
* Kate might have had a reason for sparing Stanley Yelnats I. As the son of an immigrant, he may have had to overcome discrimination, which might have reminded Kate of Sam.

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* Neither the book nor the film elaborates why Kate spared Stanley Yelnats I. It's established that she killed all the men she robbed and kissed them to boot. Then we remember something: all There are a lot of possibilities:
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of the Yelnats are cursed, and Stanley I was Elya's only son. If he were fatally shot, the curse wouldn't pass onto the rest of the Yelnats.
* Kate might have had a reason for sparing Stanley Yelnats I. ** As the son of an immigrant, he Stanley Yelntats I may have had to overcome discrimination, which might have reminded Kate of Sam.Sam. While she took his loot, she wasn't going to kill another soul.
** After seeing Trout reduced to a pauper, she found it to be better revenge to basically curse him to spend the rest of his miserable existence digging for loot. Perhaps this is why she left Yelnats alive: she saw him as just another rich jerk, and there is no worse fate for a rich person than to be left and poor and destitute.
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* Looks like Sam's numerous claims about his onions aren't so ridiculous after all. Onion are full of antioxidants and have been shown to help digestion, boost immunity and, yes, even help with hair growth.

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* Looks like Sam's numerous claims about his onions aren't so ridiculous after all. Onion are full of antioxidants and have been shown to help digestion, boost immunity and, yes, even help with hair growth.
growth. They're used as home remedies and to alleviate symptoms of diseases. His book claim Mary Lou is nearing 50 isn't impossible, donkeys typically have a lifespan of 25-30, but have been known to live up to 50.

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* Looks like Sam's numerous claims about his onions aren't so ridiculous after all. Onion are full of antioxidants and have been shown to help digestion, boost immunity and, yes, even help with hair growth.
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** It'd also explain why she'd intentionally abandon Zero too. It's very difficult for a parent who's done time to regain custody of their child back from the state, and near impossible if they're unable adequate food and shelter. It's either leaving your child to look after themselves until you're out or losing them in the foster system where you wouldn't see them until they aged out.

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** It'd also explain why she'd intentionally abandon Zero too. It's very difficult for a parent who's done time to regain custody of their child back from the state, and near impossible if they're unable to provide adequate food and shelter. It's either leaving your child to look after themselves until you're out or losing them in the foster system where you wouldn't see them until they aged out.
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** Looks like Mr. Pendanski wasn't too off saying how sensitive Mr. Sir was.
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** It'd also explain why she'd intentionally abandon Zero too. It's very difficult for a parent with a criminal record and one who's unable to provide decent food and shelter to regain custody of their child.

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** It'd also explain why she'd intentionally abandon Zero too. It's very difficult for a parent with a criminal record and one who's unable to provide decent food and shelter done time to regain custody of their child.child back from the state, and near impossible if they're unable adequate food and shelter. It's either leaving your child to look after themselves until you're out or losing them in the foster system where you wouldn't see them until they aged out.
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** It'd also explain why she'd intentionally abandon Zero too. It's very difficult for a parent with a criminal record and one who's unable to provide decent food and shelter to regain custody of their child.

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