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* PrecursorKillers: They have at least one civilisation on their kill count. Admiral Bosch speculates that extermination of the Ancients was not their first time, and so did the Ancients towards the end.

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* PrecursorKillers: They have at least one civilisation civilization on their kill count. Admiral Bosch speculates that extermination of the Ancients was not their first time, and so did the Ancients towards the end.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Downplayed in the first game, when a single mission against a group of terran "traitors" is implied to be the result of McCarthy's awareness of events in Ross 128. Played straight in Silent Threat and Freespace 2, when we see emergence of two terran factions that rebel against the GTA and GTVA.

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Downplayed in the first game, when a single mission against a group of terran "traitors" is implied to be the result of McCarthy's [=McCarthy=]'s awareness of events in Ross 128. Played straight in Silent Threat and Freespace 2, when we see emergence of two terran factions that rebel against the GTA and GTVA.
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* NecessarilyEvil: How he explains his actions in his journal enries. He knows that leading Neo-Terran Front is a crime, and ditching Vasudans in his attempt to ally with the Shivans is a betrayal. He still is ready to do this as he believes it will ensure survival of the human species in the long run.

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* NecessarilyEvil: How he explains his actions in his journal enries.entries. He knows that leading Neo-Terran Front is a crime, and ditching Vasudans in his attempt to ally with the Shivans is a betrayal. He still is ready to do this as he believes it will ensure survival of the human species in the long run.
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* NecessarilyEvil: How he explains his actions in his journal enries. He knows that leading Neo-Terran Front is a crime, and ditching Vasudans in his attempt to ally with the Shivans is a betrayal. He still is ready to do this as he believes it will ensure survival of the human species in the long run.
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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after Shivans obliterate their own homeworld, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and give the slightest hope of survival of their own species.

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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after Shivans obliterate their own homeworld, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and give save the slightest hope of survival future of their own species.
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* BigBadEnsemble: While not even in tenth as menacing or powerful as Shivans, their actions at the end Freespace 1 story, when they ambush Terran-Vasudan task forces pursuing Lucifer, almost result in human and Vasudan extinction. They are a minor nuisance for the most of campaign, leaving the Shivans as more prominent adversary. Untill "The Great Hunt" mission, where their involvement could potentially derail GTA plan of destroying Lucifer.

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* BigBadEnsemble: While not even in tenth as menacing or powerful as Shivans, their actions at the end Freespace 1 story, when they ambush Terran-Vasudan task forces pursuing Lucifer, almost result in human and Vasudan extinction. They are a minor nuisance for the most of campaign, leaving the Shivans as more prominent adversary. Untill adversary untill "The Great Hunt" mission, where their involvement could potentially derail GTA plan of destroying Lucifer.
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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after sterilizing their own homeworld, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and give the slightest hope of survival of their own species.

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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after sterilizing Shivans obliterate their own homeworld, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and give the slightest hope of survival of their own species.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In the first game the internal strife inside PVE is caused by a group of dangerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In the first game the internal strife inside PVE is caused by a group of dangerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding guided by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In the first game internal strife in PVE is caused by a group of dungerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In the first game the internal strife in inside PVE is caused by a group of dungerous dangerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In first game internal strife in PVE is caused by a group of dungerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.

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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In the first game internal strife in PVE is caused by a group of dungerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.
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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: Downplayed in the first game, when a single mission against a group of terran "traitors" is implied to be the result of McCarthy's awareness of events in Ross 128. Played straight in Silent Threat and Freespace 2, when we see emergence of two terran factions that rebel against the GTA and GTVA.


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* WeAreStrugglingTogether: In first game internal strife in PVE is caused by a group of dungerous religious fanatics, who rebel against the vasudan gouverment, guiding by some ancient vasudan holy texts, known only as "Omen of Darkness". This trope is averted in the second game, where entire Vasudan species is united under GTVA banner.
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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after sterilizing their own world, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and survive the war.

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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after sterilizing their own world, homeworld, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and survive give the war.slightest hope of survival of their own species.

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do not fit the definition of the trope, as they are anything BUT unwitting. They know very well what they are doing.


* BigBadEnsemble: While not even in tenth as menacing or powerful as Shivans, their actions at the end Freespace 1 story, when they ambush Terran-Vasudan task forces pursuing Lucifer, almost result in human and Vasudan extinction.

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* BigBadEnsemble: While not even in tenth as menacing or powerful as Shivans, their actions at the end Freespace 1 story, when they ambush Terran-Vasudan task forces pursuing Lucifer, almost result in human and Vasudan extinction. They are a minor nuisance for the most of campaign, leaving the Shivans as more prominent adversary. Untill "The Great Hunt" mission, where their involvement could potentially derail GTA plan of destroying Lucifer.



* SpannerInTheWorks: Almost became that at the end of Freespace 1. They are a minor nuisance for the most of campaign, leaving the Shivans as more prominent adversary. Untill "The Great Hunt" mission, where their involvement could potentially derail GTA plan of destroying Lucifer.
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* ConflictKiller: Their incursion effectively ends the war between GTA and PVN, although one Vasudan religous group do not drop hostility against terrans.

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* ConflictKiller: Their incursion effectively ends the war between GTA and PVN, although one Vasudan religous religious group do not drop hostility against terrans.
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* EvilCounterpart: Of the PVE

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* EvilCounterpart: Of the PVEPVE. While the majority of Vasudans cease fire with humans once the Shivans arrive, those fanatics continue their war in belief that Shivans are the holy race of Redeemers.
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* ScaryDogmaticAliens

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* ScaryDogmaticAliensScaryDogmaticAliens: And their dogmas are dangerous enough to threaten the existence of human and Vasudan civilization.



* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers.

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* TooDumbToLive: They believe the [[AbsoluteXenophobe xenocidal]] race that glassed their own homeworld and attack them on every occasion are the Great Redeemers. Their fanaticism has gone so far that even after sterilizing their own world, they are still ready to attack the forces that are the only chance to destroy Lucifer and survive the war.
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* Irony: They found the way to destroy the Lucifers, but not before the war was completely lost and went hopeless phase.
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* Irony: They found the way to destroy the Lucifers, but not before the war was completely lost and went hopeless phase.
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* RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver: Standard color theme for the Shivans. All of their vessels glow ominous red lights, and the lt. Ash describes these as "death black ships".

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* RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver: Standard color theme for the Shivans. All of their vessels glow ominous red lights, and the lt. Ash describes these as "death black ships". Originally, however, they were meant to be [[SicklyGreenGlow green]].
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* AbusivePrecursors: Of the worst possible sort. [[PrecursorKillers They caused the extinction of the Ancients]] and the words of admiral Bosch imply they did it to [[AbsoluteXenophobe every single civilization that emerged over long period of time.]] They started the conflict with humans and Vasudans without prior provocation, so regardless wether they are a race of [[OmnicidalManiac Omnicidal Maniacs]] or just extremely warlike species, they are directly responsible for death and suffering of billions Vasudans and Terrans.

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* AbusivePrecursors: Of the worst possible sort. [[PrecursorKillers They caused the extinction of the Ancients]] and the words of admiral Bosch imply they did it to [[AbsoluteXenophobe every single civilization that emerged over long period of time.]] They started the conflict with humans and Vasudans without prior provocation, so regardless wether they are a race of [[OmnicidalManiac Omnicidal Maniacs]] or just extremely warlike species, they are directly responsible for death and suffering of billions of Vasudans and Terrans.
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* AbusivePrecursors: Of the worst possible sort. [[PrecursorKillers They caused the extinction of the Ancients]] and the words of admiral Bosch imply they did it to [[AbsoluteXenophobe every single civilization that emerged over long period of time.]] They started the conflict with humans and Vasudans without prior provocation, so regardless they are race of [[OmnicidalManiac Omnicidal Maniacs]] or just extremely warlike species, they are directly responsible for death and suffering of billions Vasudans and Terrans.

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* AbusivePrecursors: Of the worst possible sort. [[PrecursorKillers They caused the extinction of the Ancients]] and the words of admiral Bosch imply they did it to [[AbsoluteXenophobe every single civilization that emerged over long period of time.]] They started the conflict with humans and Vasudans without prior provocation, so regardless wether they are a race of [[OmnicidalManiac Omnicidal Maniacs]] or just extremely warlike species, they are directly responsible for death and suffering of billions Vasudans and Terrans.
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* AbusivePrecursors: Of the worst possible sort. [[PrecursorKillers They caused the extinction of the Ancients]] and the words of admiral Bosch imply they did it to [[OmnicidalManiac every single civilization that emerged over long period of time.]] They start the conflict with humans and Vasudans without prior provocation, so regardless they are AbsoluteXenophobe race or not, they are directly responsible for death and suffering of billions Vasudans and Terrans.

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* AbusivePrecursors: Of the worst possible sort. [[PrecursorKillers They caused the extinction of the Ancients]] and the words of admiral Bosch imply they did it to [[OmnicidalManiac [[AbsoluteXenophobe every single civilization that emerged over long period of time.]] They start started the conflict with humans and Vasudans without prior provocation, so regardless they are AbsoluteXenophobe race of [[OmnicidalManiac Omnicidal Maniacs]] or not, just extremely warlike species, they are directly responsible for death and suffering of billions Vasudans and Terrans.

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