History Administrivia / TheSameButMore

Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php TLP]] -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[Administrivia/LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".

See also ExaggeratedTrope, which covers tropes being played UpToEleven ''in-universe'', and DownplayedTrope, which covers the opposite.

If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/tlp_activity.php check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it Administrivia/TheSameButMore, they're probably right.

A common variant is when someone wants to write pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[Administrivia/EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.

Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[Administrivia/LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".

If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it Administrivia/TheSameButMore, they're probably right.

A common variant is when someone wants to write pages like "Trope X, but done well" or "Trope X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.

A common variant is when someone wants to write "Article X, but done well" or "Article X, but done poorly". Remember that Tropes are [[TropesAreTools Neither Good Nor Bad]] -- tropes are value-neutral, and whether they come across as positive or negative depends on how an individual work uses them. Besides, attempting to split tropes by their execution can be [[FanMyopia extremely subjective]], since fans of a given work will argue that it belongs in the "good" pile while detractors constantly move it back into the "bad" pile. [[EditWar This continues]], probably interminably.

Remember, TropesAreFlexible. There's enough untapped content to go around already -- there's really no point in rehashing what we've already got. Sometimes you might think there is a [[SubTrope quantitative difference]] in a new trope, but if the examples are mostly the same as the earlier trope, then you're basically just duplicating the one that already exists.

Essentially, this is when a trope can be summed up as "the same as Article X, but pumped UpToEleven". While the temptation to start these sort of articles is evidently irresistible -- hardly a day goes by that one doesn't show up in YKTTW -- they are almost always a bad idea for a number of reasons, not the least of which is [[LumperVsSplitter where to draw the dividing line]] between "Trope X" and "Trope [[XtremeKoolLetterz Xtreme]]".

A popular type of TheSameButMoreSpecific.

If you think your extreme trope has the distinction worthy of a SubTrope, please [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/ykttw.php?interval=1 check with the other Tropers first]] and to get opinions; if ''other people'' agree that the SubTrope label applies, it probably does; likewise, if they're all calling it TheSameButMore, they're probably right.

Now if the difference actually ''is clear'', the result may be a SubTrope, SuperTrope, or SisterTrope of another. For example, CriticalResearchFailure looks like DidNotDoTheResearch taken UpToEleven (and, in some ways, it ''is''), but the difference is quite clear in practice: ''Any'' lay person can immediately spot a CriticalResearchFailure, whereas by contrast it generally takes an expert (or at least somebody who's [[ShownTheirWork done their own research]]) to prove when a writer simply DidNotDoTheResearch. Thus, the examples in each trope are almost mutually exclusive, despite their definitions on paper being TheSameButMore.